Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 588

How to prove whether I'm honest in working with Wikipedia
Abishe (talk) 08:54, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Well recently the experienced editors have deleted the article on List of International Cricket Records.At least I had got the information about it earlier.I'm also respecting their decision for this proposed deletionAbishe (talk) 08:54, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no need to prove that you are honest in your Wikipedia activities. Other editors are required to assume good faith when looking at your contributions. That being said, trying your hardest to create good content is not always enough, and pages will get deleted if they don't comply with various policies and guidelines. Creating a new article from scratch is one of the most difficult tasks on Wikipedia, and it's not a recommended undertaking for brand new editors. You may wish to try out editing existing pages first to learn about editing. If you do decide to create a new page, you should follow the instructions here: Your first article. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:11, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi again, discussing your ideas with other interested editors at WP:WikiProject Cricket is also a good idea. The experienced Wikipedians there can give you some guidance and you would get a sense of what the community thinks about the topic andwether such an article should exist. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:25, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * For the record, you created List of Day Night test cricket records. There has not been a page called List of International Cricket Records. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. -> adding reviews to a page is a solution?
Hello,

yesterday I created my first article about a card game (Jewels) released in English and Italian more than a year ago through a successful Kickstarter campaign and currently not available on sale. The article was rejected for the following reason: "This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. "

Do you think that adding a paragraph with "reception and reviews" would help? I thought about it while writing the article, but decided not to insert it in order to avoid to be mistaken as someone that wanted to promote the game since I could only find positive reviews. Instead I only reference the page on Board Game Geek (the most authoritative place for board/card games on the internet) thinking that it would be enough. The game has a score of 7.1 there.

So again the question, should I talk also about reviews of the game in the article? In my opinion the game deserves a page on Wiki because: - a small indie publisher made it from basically nothing - it successfully completed a Kickstarter campaign - has a 7.1/10 score on Board Game Geek, a website with hundred of thousands users, granting a respectable position in the board game database chart - has created a decent following around the world (especially in Italy) and there is a decent amount of reviews on internet (which I did not include in the page) Do you think those factors could grant the game notability?

Thanks for your advice

Zell01 (talk) 17:22, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome Zell01! A "reception and reviews" section could help establish notability, provided, there were reviews in several Reliable Sources. Board Game Geek is, almost certainly, not a reliable source, for the same reason movie reviews on IMDB aren't (see WP:USERGENERATED). But if it's been covered in multiple daily newspapers, or books published by major publishing houses, or peer-reviewed journals, or major websites (other than message boards, wikis, user rating sites, etc.), then a "reception and reviews" section could definitely help establish notability. For games, a couple reviews in publications like Games (magazine), would probably fit the bill (even if they were reviews saying the game was terrible). Ultimately, you just need to demonstrate that the game has been the subject of sustained and significant coverage in reliable sources, in whatever form that coverage might take (including, but not limited to, reviews). Reviews posted to blogs or game wikis or message boards - which I suspect may be the extent of what we're dealing with here - would, however, not help establish notability. Also, whether or not people like the game or it was a commercial success doesn't really factor in to establish notability. (A product could be a commercial failure and still qualify for inclusion if it were the subject of sustained and significant coverage, while a successful product might not qualify for inclusion if it were not.) DarjeelingTea (talk) 19:25, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answer User:DarjeelingTea it was very helpful.

I think the most notable review I found in English (there are a lot in Italian. Would they still qualify in creating an English page?) is a preview from the website Techraptor. The game was also rewarded as "Crowfounding project of the week" on Board Game Geek in the weekly selection of things happening in BGG and the board game world. That would not be the result of users polls or similar, but the pick of an author of BGG. Through the game kickstarter page, I found also that the game was featured in a kickstarter round up from the website Casual Game Revolution. I suppose this could help?

Other than that, the rest of the reviews are from bloggers and similar, so I suppose they would fall into the category of user generated content? Zell01 (talk) 09:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Zell01 - Techraptor seems to be a reliable source for content on games as it's referenced by other, known reliable sources (a Google News search finds that it's been sourced by PCGamer, Ars Technica, and La Monde). For the same reason, non-user generated content on BoardGameGeek may also be. Because neither of these are the Washington Post or CNN, however, and may be unknown to other editors, you may need to anticipate having to defend their credibility should it be questioned. Casual Game Revolution does not appear to be a WP:RS, in my opinion, as there's no evidence I can find in which unambiguously reliable sources reference it. You can absolutely use sources in Italian or other non-English languages. Just two things to keep in mind: (a) merely locating sources as a perfunctory step isn't enough, they actually need to support the contents of the article, (b) detailed game play instructions are generally considered non-encyclopedic, as per WP:GAMEGUIDE DarjeelingTea (talk) 12:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * DarjeelingTea thanks for your detailed explanations, you gave me a lot to work on. Your help is greatly appreciated!

Zell01 (talk) 12:31, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Creating a page on a mobile device
How do you create a page on wikipedia on mobile device — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polop7 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Creating a Wikipedia article is seriously difficult. There are many easier and generally more useful tasks you could undertake, such as improving spelling and grammar, and adding citations. I would advise against trying to create an article until you are familiar with those easier tasks.
 * Any editing you do on Wikipedia is considerably more difficult on a mobile device than on a laptop. I would very strongly advise against using a mobile to try to create a new article, even once you are experienced with everyday editing tasks. I certainly wouldn't try it myself. Maproom (talk) 16:32, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Deleteion of my article
Hello, I cannot understand what is wrong with my article, can someone help me please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedram_Mehrshahi 03:10, 1 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by P.Mehrshahi (talk • contribs)
 * Hi P.Mehrshahi - to have an article on Wikipedia, musicians generally need to meet the criteria laid out in WP:MUSICBIO. Also, please review WP:COI. DarjeelingTea (talk) 05:32, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello pedram _mehrshahi and welcome to the tea house !

Probably your article might have not reached the level required by wiki / it breached some of the rules and regulations.. Never mind, keep trying harder ... Making an article in wikipedia is tough. you can also refer wikipedia- your fist article to see what went wrong with your article or to learn how to make an article. Hope you found this info useful. Do reply if you did on my talk page. thanking you, Jordanben Cool Jordan 16:49, 3 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanben (talk • contribs)

Add a page in English Christian Friedrich Erndel
I wrote this page in German: Christian Friedrich Erndel and I have translated in to English. I am ready to add the English translation but I can't see how to do so. ThanksDahlenSaxonia (talk) 16:32, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey DahlenSaxonia. Looking through your conrtibutions, I'm not seeing where you've contributed to an article or draft by that title. Maybe the translation is saved somewhere on de.wiki? Timothy Joseph Wood  16:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, looks like the German article is here, but I'm not sure where the translation is still. Timothy Joseph Wood  16:44, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

The translation is still in a Word document. From what I found, an administrator has to first create an English blank page for me.DahlenSaxonia (talk) 16:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * DahlenSaxonia: Hmm, well... how about this? I have created Draft:Christian Friedrich Erndel, where you can add the content, and we can make sure we've fixed any loose ends before its officially published. But it will get it onto the English Wikipedia where we can give it a look. Timothy Joseph Wood  17:02, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much I added it - surprisingly some German city names are not recognised even though they come up automatically as Wiki links in the German page. Please take a look and if ok, go live. Many thanks.DahlenSaxonia (talk) 17:25, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * DahlenSaxonia: The two big things that I see right now, other than random formatting issues, are the fairly lengthy quote and caption mid way through the article that still need translated. Timothy Joseph Wood  18:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

I translated the text and I have also translated the text in the image. However, it isn't working and only shows in German. The English text is below inside the image text box and encoded en for language. Please advise. Thanks.DahlenSaxonia (talk) 19:09, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks I have finished all translations and amendments.DahlenSaxonia (talk) 19:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Years using apostrophe e.g 1975's
Would this be proper: His first recording with the band, 1975's Fly by Night? I thought I had read somewhere that it wasn't. If it is not, what would be proper?

Thanks BigJoeRockHead (talk) 19:56, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, . According to the Manual of Style, "Decades are written in the format the 1980s, with no apostrophe. Use the two-digit form ('80s) only with an established social or cultural meaning." Hope that helps! MereTechnicality   ⚙  20:00, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply; however, this example specifies a specific year, not so much a decade. I was thinking this would be more proper: "His first recording with the band, Fly By Night (1975)". I feel as though I've made these changes in the past; but, I can't seem to find any record of it in my contributions.BigJoeRockHead (talk) 20:04, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, I thought you were talking about the apostrophe in the name. I think that you would put in in parentheses, actually. MereTechnicality   ⚙  20:06, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * So, this "His first recording with the band, Fly By Night (1975)" is proper then? BigJoeRockHead (talk) 20:33, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes as would something like "his first recording with the band, the 1975 album Fly by Night . . ." Nthep (talk) 20:57, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

How can I let people see the disambiguation page?
Recently, I made a disambiguation page named Fried rice (disambiguation) and listed Chinese, Indonesian, Japanese, Korean, and Thai dishes whose native names can be translated into "fried rice". However, when I search "fried rice", it always shows the Chinese dish. How can I let people see the disambiguation page? Epulum (talk) 10:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Epulum, welcome to the Teahouse. I have added Other uses to Fried rice. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That hatnote was subsequently removed by Paul 012 in this edit. --Gronk Oz (talk) 14:52, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Paul 012 also changed the content to be about fried rice dishes in general and not just a Chinese dish, and redirected Fried rice (disambiguation) to List of fried rice dishes. There is a related discussion at Talk:Fried rice. I don't plan to participate. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:19, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, Epulum. I'm sorry, but the Fried rice (disambiguation) page has since been deleted. This is because Wikipedia disambiguation pages aren't supposed to be used for listing possible translations of a term in different languages; their main purpose is to allow readers searching for similar or ambiguous terms to reach the article they need. Fried rice is supposed to be an overview article, and already contains a link to List of fried rice dishes, which is probably a more extensive version of the page you meant to create. Readers searching for "fried rice" can scroll down to find that link easily enough, and those looking for a specific country's variant, e.g. Korea's, can always type in "Korean fried rice" in the search box and be redirected to the appropriate target. More information about the disambiguation guideline is available at Disambiguation, if you're interested. Thanks for understanding. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:31, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your replies and help, If the page is supposed to be an overview article (I thought it was about Chinese dish because the article started with "Fried rice (炒饭) is a Chinese dish"), and there already is a list article (How could I not see it?), the deletion of the disambiguation page seems fair to me. --Epulum (talk) 22:49, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Need Advice for Shortening an Article
I have been working on List of current U.S. state legislators. It is currently too large. I have some ideas for shortening it. 1. It could be divided into separate articles alphabetically (i.e. states A-C, D-G, etc.) 2. It could be divided into separate articles by region (i.e. south, midwest) 3. Low-importance columns can be deleted from tables.

Any advice? Caspian X 23:10, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

New to wikipedia, I have completed my research on the History and former Sheriff's of Childress County Texas. Not sure how to get my artical started on Wikipedia.
New to wikipedia, I have completed my research on the History and former Sheriff's of Childress County Texas. Not sure how to get my artical started on Wikipedia. Kevin W Overstreet 20:08, 3 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinwoverstreet (talk • contribs)
 * Hi Kevin. I think it would help you greatly if you were to visit and read the following pages more or less in this order:


 * 1) Take a tour through the Tutorial to learn the basics of editing and about our policies and guidelines;
 * 2) Read Your first article;
 * 3) Though you will find all of these core policies and guidelines discussed at both of the preceding pages, be sure to at least have a passing familiarity with our:     *notability guidelines (to assess whether an article on a topic is warranted);      *our verifiability policy (requiring all content to be verifiable in reliable sources);      *our policy requiring that articles be written from a neutral point of view; and      *our policy forbidding the use of original search;
 * 4) Browsing such pages should provide you with a basic understanding of whether to go ahead with the article, or not, and how to do so. Along the way, you might have noticed that the one common touchstone of all of these policies and guidelines is that they rely on the existence (or not), the type, and the manner of use of sources . Therefore, if you have determined that an article is warranted, then the last matter you should focus on before getting started is learning how to transparently cite sources. Help:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1 are good places to start.
 * Lastly, I suggest starting the article through the Articles for creation process. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:50, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Even more lastly, sometimes a topic doesn't need its own article. Childress County, Texas is a small article, as befits a sparsely populated place. The subtopic you name would probably fit neatly in a new WP:Section. Jim.henderson (talk) 03:36, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Need a review of an article
Hello, looking for someone to review an article that I am writing. It is about an Artificial Intelligence based search engine review website and is currently in my sandbox. Would appreciate some critiques!

AvdheshSingh99 (talk) 12:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have already submitted your article (User:AvdheshSingh99/sandbox) for review.  There is a substantial backlog of articles waiting for review, so you may have to be patient.  However, I have to wonder whether you have some connection to the company.  If so, you have a conflict of interest, and are limited in what edits should make.  Please read that article on conflict of interest and consider carefully whether you should even be working on this article.
 * If you do proceed, while waiting for the review you can still work on improving the article; I suggest starting by removing the promotional-sounding terms such as:
 * "the Artificial Intelligence-based search engine review site..." (this implies it is the only one - who says so? No references were provided for this.)
 * "all the leading E-commerce stores of India" (who says they are leading stores? who says there are no other leading stores?  No references were provided for this.)
 * "nurtured by a strong team of 20 young and vibrant IT professionals" (very promotional and irrelevant)
 * Touting the number of customers in the number of countries around the world is more suited to an advertising brochure than an encyclopedic article.
 * I'm sure the reviewer will give more detailed feedback, but please do try to tone it down. --Gronk Oz (talk) 14:44, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Many Thanks for your valuable comments and suggestions which have led to significant improvement. I have edited the article. I would be grateful if you reconsider the article for review.

AvdheshSingh99 (talk) 08:32, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Fake WGP racers
Most of the WGP racers (except 10) are fake. They need to be removed. DarthonTheOverseer (talk) 20:25, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Removed from where? Please let us know which article you're referring to. Maproom (talk) 09:07, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Creating infobox with visual editor?
Hello Wikipedians! I'm a new editor and wanted to know if there is a way to create an infobox from the Visual Editor. I understand there are specific templates of infoboxes for specific uses (List of infoboxes), but it would be infinitely easier to do it without the markup language.

Thank you so much for your help! Louize5 (talk) 20:12, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . Click on the "Insert" tab at the top of the Visual Editor window and choose "Template". Then type in the name of the infobox you want, such as "Infobox person".StarryGrandma (talk) 20:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help, ! I didn't realize the Templates option referred to infoboxes.


 * Infoboxes are one (very common) kind of template, . --ColinFine (talk) 11:03, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

pay walls
Hi - I'm editing an article and am wondering how to get past a paywall? Can the author attach a PDF in the reference list of the article. Is it acceptable for the author to scan a newspaper article as a PDF? I'm finding a lot of pay walls in the articles I am editing. Any help is appreciated! 2602:306:838C:92A0:F02C:88C9:2638:272A (talk) 02:58, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome, 2602:306:838C:92A0:F02C:88C9:2638:272A. In general, you cannot scan a newspaper article and upload it to Wikipedia (or, more likely, WP:COMMONS), as the newspaper article is presumably under copyright (see: WP:COPYOTHERS). However, it's not necessary to only source material that is available online when contributing to a WP article. While paywall or offline content might be more easily challenged in the event of a content dispute, as long as the material is a Reliable Source it is perfectly acceptable to reference material for which a URL cannot be provided (e.g. books). For example, I just wrote this article and my third source, as you'll note, is an offline one. Hopefully that answers your question, but please follow-up if it doesn't. DarjeelingTea (talk) 03:09, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In addition to DarjeelingTea's excellent response, if you find a source which is available online, but which is behind a paywall, it can also be used. This should be specified in your reference: for an example of how, see Template:Cite_journal. --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:49, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the input! Can the author of the article PDF the article behind the paywall and include that as a verifiable source? Soli58 (talk) 19:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello . (I suppose you are the same person as the non-registered editor who first asked the question?)
 * I may be wrong, but you seem to think that "references" must somehow be uploaded to Wikipedia (or another website of the Wikimedia Foundation) to be proper. This is not correct; it would be unfeasible for a number of reasons, both practical and legal.
 * We have a procedure for donating copyrighted material to Wikipedia, but being the author of a document may not suffice to be able to follow it. In particular, most publishers of the main press or of scientific articles do not allow authors to redistribute documents under the extremely permissive CC BY-SA license that is used by Wikipedia. Tigraan Click here to contact me 22:12, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * It is almost never appropriate to upload a PDF somewhere and link to it. Quite apart from the copyright question, all references need to be to reliable sources, but unless the PDF in question is on a site which is a reliable source, the PDF cannot be regarded as reliable: it is not trivial to alter a PDF, but it can be done, so an upload whose provenance is unknown is of little value. --ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

translation!
how can i add a translated page to an English wiki page? ParvinDianati (talk) 21:18, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Does WP:TRANSLATEUS help? --ColinFine (talk) 11:22, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Article Name
Hello I want to know that how can i Rename or change the name of the article. Sawongam (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The Wikipedia term for changing the name of an article (or any page) is "moving". Please read WP:MOVE for complete instructions. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:38, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Issue has been addressed on the editor's Talk page. Karst (talk) 12:19, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I have doubts over the deletion of article on "Abongile Sodomo?"
Abishe (talk) 14:44, 4 March 2017 (UTC)Abongile Sodomois a South African first class cricketer and his profile has been updated through cricinfo and cricket archive.Some of the editors had misjudged that Sodomo might be my relative and they proposed for the deletion.I accept the fact that it's not the faulty of the editors.But I think I may have not followed the rules and regulations of Wikipedia. I must say I have got the very good oppurtunity to edit and upgrade the objects.I tried about 2 years to open my own account.It's been god sake!I also got some support from South Africa for my contributions about cricket.I am just a Sri Lankan.Abishe (talk) 14:44, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Having had a look at the deleted content of Abongile Sodumo I think he does meet the requirements of WP:NSPORTS as he has played in South Africa's top domestic league.  However starting the article with the negative statement ". . . is a right handed wicketkeeper batsman has never represented his country in international level." isn't the best way of promoting the notability of the subject.  Have a look at the way articles about cricketers are laid out and what type of content they have and start again at Draft:Abongile Sodumo so you can get pointers from others as you go without the risk of the article being deleted. Nthep (talk) 17:59, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Templates in Ar. Wiki
Hello, I am currently working on a translation project as part of my program of study, and I am having issues finding the appropriate templates in the Arabic Wikipedia. I need the Arabic templates corresponding to the following: 1. Educational assignment. 2. Under construction. 3. Infobox Writer or Author.

Thanks for your help in advance!

Raghadalhabyan (talk) 11:39, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Raghadalhabyan, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedias are edited independently and make their own templates. They often have different templates, and if a template does exist in two languages then it often has different parameters. The English Wikipedia has far more templates than most other wikis. You can look under "Languages" in the left pane of the template page. Template:Educational assignment has no Arabic link and I don't know whether there is a similar Arabic template. Template:Under construction and Template:Infobox writer do have Arabic links but I don't know Arabic and haven't examined the parameters. Template:Infobox author is a redirect to Template:Infobox writer. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:09, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your help PrimeHunter :) I will post my questions on the Ar Wikipedia help page to see whether there is a way to mark a page as an educational assignment without using templates.

Raghadalhabyan (talk) 18:09, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Rename a Reference List?
I have found two places tonight where references are listed under the heading "Notes" and in one of the cases two non-bibliographic notes were listed under the title "References." That felt backwards, so I changed it, as I had to add another note that I didn't want listed there. But, is it recommended or discouraged (or neutral) to change the title when the references are listed under another title? RM2KX (talk) 03:12, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * What you found was probably a mistake, or the work of an inexperienced editor. I think you were right to change it. If someone had arranged things that way for a good reason, I expect they'll revert your edit and hopefully explain the reason for their preference. Maproom (talk) 09:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with Maproom. I've written over 100 articles, and have used "references" to mean references on all of them. I don't always use notes, but when I do I definitely have them in a "notes" section. In some cases you can also use a further reading list, to direct people to books about the subject. White Arabian Filly  Neigh 20:57, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

question
hi my name is Lauren and i was just wondering and no matter what i do my summaries count as vandalism how can i stop them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charliesheen4 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Charliesheen4. Stop vandalising Wikipedia. If you have nothing constructive to contribute then stop editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:31, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Chilling effects much?Endercase (talk) 16:19, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I viewed each edit at Special:Contributions/Charliesheen4 and decided to be more blunt than usual here at the Teahouse. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:46, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see any reason to beat around the bush with a vandalism-only account either. Meters (talk) 20:57, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Vandalisation
Some day i saw some misspelt in an article and unfinished sentence therein, i was motivated to edit and amending the mistake. And was suddenly warned, but i was of the intention to complete the left out summary and correct some misspelt, but i was not given the pleasure but was warned. If i may ask, was it because iam not an administrator to edit and made corrections? Csonet-biafra (talk) 19:10, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Anyone can edit. If it was removed, presumably another editor had an issue with the information you added, or the sources that were used. I assume this is before you created your account? If you point to the article in question, perhaps someone could explain why it happened. Nfitz (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

How do I cite an Academy Award database entry?
Making entries on List of Academy Award-winning families. To reference someone's wins and nominations, I would like to use their entry in the Oscars.Org database. Problem: The Oscars people have gotten very proprietary. If I add this web link, copied from the Oscars page, it returns "Page Not Found", even though if you click it within the Oscars website, you get connected.

Try it yourself: http://awardsdatabase.oscars.org/Search/Nominations?nomineeId=8270&view=1-Nominee-Alpha.

If I can't make the link work, what is the appropriate way to cite the database - a definitive source. Klantry01 (talk) 19:42, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Klantry01, welcome to the Teahouse. You can use the  parameter at Template:Cite web to briefly describe how to find the content, e.g.:  PrimeHunter (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Given that I cannot provide the user a direct link, would it be appropriate to add a note at the head of the article to the effect: "All awards counts are derived from the official Academy Awards database - please search using the subject's name there." Klantry01 (talk) 21:12, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . Not sure why you need to use the database, but perhaps this would work. You should be able to find enough secondary sources for the winner of Academy Awards without having to rely on the database. Most major newspapers (around the word) probably have articles listing the major award winners. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:43, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * 1) The database is a definitive source. 2) Year to year, information changes as subjects rack up additional nominations and wins, which would render a news article source outdated. 3) While there is good coverage of the actors and directors, you would probably not find as many pieces on technical, short film, and animation people. Klantry01 (talk) 12:15, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't assume all past and future editors are doing the same by saying "All awards counts are derived from the official Academy Awards database". Many of the current references are to IMDb. And I wouldn't tell readers what to do in article text like "please search using the subject's name there". You could write "Awards counts can be derived by searching the subject's name in the official Academy Awards database. " But each entry should preferably also have its own reference with an accessdate indicating when it gave the stated count. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:47, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * . I'm not sure I get what you mean by which would render a news article source outdated. All new information is going to require a citation to a reliable source, and a new citation can simply be added for each new entry. Older citations do not lose their value because they are old. For lesser known winners, there may be something in a local newspaper which could be used or as you say on the AMPAS's webiste. Finally, a source does not have to be "definitive" to be used; all it has to be for Wikipedia's purposes is published and reliable. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:57, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * If an article says "John Smith has 1 win and 4 nominations", then the subsequent year he gets another nomination, it becomes outdated as a source for John Smith's cumulative record. Rather than track down individual articles each year, I prefer a link to the database. Klantry01 (talk) 21:51, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Twinkle
How do I insert twinkle? It won't show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiHelper1 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Twinkle is only available to user who are autoconfirmed. This occurs after your account is 4 days old and you have made 10 edits.  As you only created your account today, you will have to wait another three days before your account is confirmed and you can use Twinkle.  I would use that time to make yourself familiar with various policies because Twinkle is quite powerful and you are responsible for any edits you make with it.  Getting it wrong and using "I didn't know/understand the policy" tends not to wash.  Understand what Twinkle can do and how it is used properly is more than half the job in using it effectively.  I'm not saying that you haven't edited correctly so far just that some people are desperate to use tools when they don't understand what they are doing with them.  Nthep (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

hurry - photo deleted improperly - how to fix
How do I restore a photo deleted, and how do I fix the error, if there was one?

On Wikipedia page Jimmy Cozier (jazz musician) we included a photo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jimmy_Cozier,_Harlem_2012,_photo_by_TeruoNakamura_(musician).jpg

This photo is owned by the subject, Jimmy Cozier, and is unique, irreplaceable. The photo was taken. by Jimmy's friend and musical colleague, Teruo Nakamura.

Jimmy has the right to use this photo in any way he chooses.

Someone named Hullaballoo Wolfowitz wrote and said they are from Wikipedia and claims that there is a problem with use of a photo.

He said the photo will be deleted by tomorrow.

Please tell me clearly and in easy to follow instructions how to put the photo back up and how to fix the error. Thank you, Basound (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * , You might have uploaded the photo in a way that made it seem like you swiped it from another website. That is pretty common, and is almost always a copyright violation. If the man in the photo gave you permission to use it, that's good but not what we need. We need permission from the person who took the photo in order to use it on Wikipedia. If you can get that, we can definitely use it. White Arabian Filly  Neigh 20:52, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . In order to be used on Wikipedia, a photo of a living person must either be free of copyright,  or freely licensed, for example through a Creative Commons license. The licensing must be in writing by the copyright holder themself,  which is most commonly the photographer. There are no exceptions when it comes to photos of living people. The current language in the photo file is not acceptable and so it will be deleted. The quickest solution is for the photographer to upload the image,  freely licensing it. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  00:02, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Why does a reference show up twice and how do I prevent it?
I used the same reference twice and it showed up in the reference list twice. Is there a way to not have this happen? The Verified Cactus 100% 21:57, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, if you want to use exactly the same reference multiple times, you can define a "named reference". The concept is explained at WP:REFB #5. In short: you define a "named reference" once with a specific label. Later occurences of the same reference use this label instead of repeating the full reference information over and over. Also, all instances of such a named reference will be grouped together in 1 entry in the reference list. Hope that helps, a more detailed description with examples is available in the linked guide. If you need more specific help, please add a link to the article in question. GermanJoe (talk) 22:20, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The Verified Cactus 100% 01:45, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Inclusion of name in the Indian authors forum
Hi sir/madam

My page Era Natarasan who is the eminent Indian author and also the educationist. Please guide us about how to include my Wikipedia author name into the list of authors in the wikipedia forum.ERA NATARASAN (talk) 10:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, it is very much discouraged to write about oneself on Wikipedia. I would encourage you instead to focus on your career, and live it to your enthusiasts to write about you. Though if you are interested in writing about other topics on Wikipedia we would certainly welcome your expertise. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:11, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

ask a question
I have a guest profile. Now if i want to search for my friends or to say for my own profile ,how do i do it ? My friends name is Nived Vijay Kumar and you know my name. I have put the following image Ponte Vasco da Gama 25.jpg PLS help me. Cool Jordan 17:00, 3 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanben (talk • contribs)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . You can find your own user page by typing User:Jordanben in the search box, or by clicking your user name at the very upper left when you are logged in. You can find any other editor's user page by typing "User:" in the search box, followed by their Wikipedia account name. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  22:02, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * =HEY ,=

thank you for helpin' me, Cullen ! I have 3 other accounts .which i don't use. How do i block it ?
 * Cool Jordan 09:50, 5 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanben (talk • contribs)


 * There is no account called Nived Vijay Kumar but Nivedvijay gave that name in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse/Guests/Left_column&diff=prev&oldid=767715003]. I have moved your user page back from Portal:Jordanben's page .. to User:Jordanben where it belongs. Users should contact you on your talk page User talk:Jordanben and not the user page. See more at Help:Using talk pages. Accounts cannot be deleted and are only blocked if they are used for disruption. You can just stop using the other accounts. See Sock puppetry for the policy which does allow use of alternative accounts in some situations. You can get a valid signature saying "Cool Jordan" by entering that in the Signature field at Special:Preferences and not have a checkmark at "Treat the above as wiki markup". PrimeHunter (talk) 10:19, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

reference list
I created a named reference but not I'm having difficulty adding my citation to the pre-existing reference list. I actually only see "reflist 2" when I try to edit the references but by default my citation was added as number 8 on the pre-existing list. How do I add my reference to this list that I can't seeTasaday (talk) 02:33, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * what is the article? RM2KX (talk) 03:08, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I've fixed the problem at Paraneoplastic syndrome. You need to define a named reference the first time you use it, not in the References section. Maproom (talk) 08:49, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * , if you want to define a reference in the reference section instead of in the body text, you just need to add  after the word , then add your ref(s) between that and the closing double curly parenthesis. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:39, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Returning a user-sorted table back to its original order
Hi - I recently created a rather long "List of..." page. Part of that article contains a list of 900+ species, taken from a number of very different animal and plant groups. To help the user, I have made each column alphabetically sortable, and the whole table is also collapsible (so that a user can move it out of the way, if required.)

My question relates to how - once the user has sorted the table themselves - I can give them the ability to return the list back into its original order. Obviously, they can do this by refreshing the entire page [F5], and I know I could put a 'sort order' column into the table, but the latter is deprecated.

There is a good reason for presenting the list in the order I have done (alpha-sorted by scientific name within each individual taxonomic group) - it would be great if it could quickly be returned back into to that state. Maybe I'm missing something really obvious, so a quick pointer would be much appreciated. Parkywiki (talk) 23:58, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Parkywiki, welcome to the Teahouse. There is no feature to return a sortable table to the initial order. The only options are what you already said: Reload the page or make a column which sorts in the wanted order. If a table is sorted first by column A and then by column B then rows with the same B value maintain their previous internal order from the sorting by A. There are probably few readers who know this feature and it still couldn't return the initial order of the mentioned list. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you - it's really helpful to know I'm not missing something obvious. BTW: I found an earlier thread in the Teahouse about collapsible tables and comments by very helpful in enhancing my own Table's layout. Keep up the good work here! Parkywiki (talk) 11:56, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Using a stage name
I write mostly science and scientist articles, but just started branching out into minor celebrities. I want this article to be at the stage name, as that is what the person is now known for, like Ice-T, but I started the draft at the real name. How do I move a draft to another draft under the correct article name? What is the process? Draft:Adam Schmalholz

Thanks for the help! --2601:648:8503:4467:9D49:E55A:EE18:A853 (talk) 01:55, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You should be able to move the draft to the stage name by moviong it. You should add a sentence to the text of the draft stating what his stage name.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:19, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * This wall of text eventually says that the policy does not apply to articles in "draft space."
 * Maybe a more experienced user can give me instructions?
 * --2600:387:6:805:0:0:0:A1 (talk) 05:22, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If it's in draft space, there's little point in renaming it. When it eventually gets moved to article space, it can be moved to be an article with the appropriate name. You might leave a note at the top of the draft to tell a reviewer what you want the article name to be. Maproom (talk) 08:54, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Why not create it as it should be? I don't see any advantage in doing it wrong, if it's fixable. I have done biographies before, and they seem to take a while, so I add enough, plus sources, then keep editing while waiting for a review. I would like it to be under the proper name. --2601:648:8503:4467:ACF0:FB7B:FD5C:AF34 (talk) 09:06, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The name of a draft article is irrelevant to the actual encyclopedia article that should be the result of the drafting process. Instead of worrying about the name of the draft, please focus instead on the content and referencing of the draft. Once those issues have been dealt with, the draft can be moved to the proper article name and the old draft name will be forgotten. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  08:43, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think your answer is correct. This article has been submitted to Articles for Creation, and its name is relevant. I wouldn't put it at "Green Valley, Tennessee," or some other random name, and I shouldn't add that step for the reviewer. Having the draft correctly named will help me focus on content. --2600:387:6:807:0:0:0:96 (talk) 14:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

trouble formatting quotes
Earlier I have introduced a quote thus: This is no longer working for me. Please identify my error. THANKS.TBR-qed (talk) 16:03, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I have always started a quote with 2 curly bars {{, followed by word quotation, followed by vertical bar}, followed by the text. This is no longer working for me. Please explain my error. Thanks.TBR-qed (talk) 16:07, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi TBR-qed, I guess you refer to [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Instrumental_value&type=revision&diff=768750236&oldid=768741490]. You were missing the ending  after the quote. Every starting   needs a matching  . I have fixed it.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Instrumental_value&diff=768754712&oldid=768750236] PrimeHunter (talk) 16:38, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Tagalog grammar
I want to rewrite this article. In its current form it is mostly technically correct, but I feel not very useful to our readers who are not well versed in the language already, besides the fact it's almost entirely devoid of inline cites. I have many print grammar books about the language. Is it really OK for me to just work on it in my user space and replace the article with my version when done? I've expanded articles before but never replaced an entire article...As it sits the only section that doesn't need major reworking is Tagalog_grammar. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 13:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It is all right to do that,, but it may not be the best way to work. If possible, I would suggest you work piecemeal, and make several smaller edits, rather than replacing almost the whole article in one go: but if you can't see a way to do that, go ahead and draft a new version of the whole article. A couple of suggestions if you do so: use the under construction template in the article, to discourage other editors to changing the page independently of you; and in any case, before starting a major restructure I would say something about your intentions on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 17:34, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

How do I make websites?
I like editing Wikipedia's and stuff but how would I be able to make a website? I wanna make a website for new rapper Jaisenzz. Please answer the fastest you could and thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DWN (talk • contribs) 17:20, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . This is a page for assistance in editing Wikipedia. If you mean that you would like to write a Wikipedia article about Jaisenzz, then please be aware that writing a new article is difficult, and start by reading your first article: you first need to show that he meets Wikipedia's requirements for notability - basically, that there has been enough material published about him by people unconnected with him to base an article on (Wikipedia has no interest in what you or I know or think about him, and little interest in what he or his associates have said or published: it is only interested in what people unconnected with him have published about him in reliable places such as major newspapers). If he is a new rapper, as you say, then it is likely he does not yet meet these criteria: see WP:UPANDCOMING.


 * If, on the other hand, you are not talking about creating a Wikipedia article, but his own website or a fan website, then I'm afraid this is not the place to advise you. You might get some help if you ask on the Wikipedia Computing reference desk. --ColinFine (talk) 17:42, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I made an edit to a wiki page on a church
I made an edit to the wiki page of my church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentecostal_Mission). Sadly this church is like a cult that doesn't take criticism well. Any bad examples are covered up and even the members act that way. I added a "Criticism and controversies" section with ample citations to the page to make it more balanced and less biased. I'm afraid as soon as a member sees that, the edit will be undone. Can anything be done to preserve the section? Patricksrichard (talk) 16:19, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have looked at the section you added, and removed all but one of the references, as they were to sources (with "tpm" in their names) which were clearly not independent of the subject, having been set up for the purpose of criticising the Pentecostal Mission. The statements you added may be deleted if you cannot support them by adding references to independent sources. Maproom (talk) 17:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Critism sections are generally frowned on. It is better to work such critical material into the article where it applies.Charles (talk) 18:56, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

More article citations?
I wonder if there should be more citations in the article about the singer Steve Lee?NgsNgs (talk) 18:24, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * either there should be more citations to attest to his notability, or the article Steve Lee (singer) should be deleted. It currently has two citations: the first source mentions him with a picture, but has no discussion of him; the second is to a web page which does not even mention him. Maproom (talk) 19:11, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Presentation College Headford
I once wrote an article on Bunscoil an Iúir and it was taken down because Wikipedia did not allow articles on schools! Why is this article and many others like it not taken down? Ériugena (talk) 17:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)Ériugena (talk) 17:01, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has thousands of articles on schools. You have contributed to one of them, St Colman's College, Newry, yourself. However your edit history shows that you have never contributed to an article with "Bunscoil" in its name. Maproom (talk) 17:17, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It was Bunscoil an Iúir as you said. Edits to deleted pages can only be seen by administrators. The nomination at Articles for deletion/Bunscoil an Iúir said: "NN primary school. We don't generally retain stand-alone articles for such schools, absent unusual non-local RS coverage not present here. Tagged for notability for over a year." NN means non-notable and refers to WP:NN. School articles are not disallowed in general. It's possible Presentation College Headford would also be deleted if it was nominated but see Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions We have five million articles made by volunteers and it's not realistic to apply exactly the same standards to all of them. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:34, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

why my article is not aproved?
I writed this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Monroe some help? Comors (talk) 01:06, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  As the message on the page Rose Monroe says, and as the message posted on your talk page also says, this article was nominated for deletion because it is a copyright infringement of http://tours.latingirlz.com/tour/sets.php?id=7 .  It is vital to base articles on reliable sources, but Wikipedia articles cannot copy material from other sites: they own the copyright to their material and it is not available for Wikipedia to use. --Gronk Oz (talk) 02:17, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

L Michael White's Credentials
no time to fix this myself, sorry to say, but it is truly ridiculous the this professor should be flagged with this banner: "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for academics." of course, this is my humble opinion, but his CV is "killer" good. Edward Carr Franks, PhD (talk) 01:39, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, the reason the page is marked "Notability" is not any universal judgment of L. Michael White's career, the issue is that the sourcing lacks citations to outside observers of his career, such as peer critique, books/articles discussing his work, etc. The citations are mostly to his own employer's materials, and links to Wikipedia articles about archaeological sites (which should be WP:Wikilinked, not footnoted, as they do not prove specific facts about White. The specific policy that needs to be met is WP:Notability (academics) which explains the kind of data we need to see for the White article to meet Notability. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Matthew. Thanks for trying to straighten me out. I'm such a dabbler that i'm not sure how to respond to you. I've already fiddled around for 30' trying to figure out how to get back to you, w/o success! Sadly, I only do some light editing every few years, literally. I saw the criteria for "notability" posting that u mention. Criteria are flawed, imho. I have no dog in this hunt, but I've seen many profs posted w/o such banners who shouldn't be posted at all, with or w/o a banner, whereas someone like dr white has stellar credentials, but gets tagged with this damning banner. Hope someone will modify the criteria for notability and/or fix dr white's article so he's not tagged w/career ending banner!? (maybe not career ending!)

Edward Carr Franks, PhD (talk) 04:47, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * No worries it's always tricky figuring out a new format. The tag really isn't "damning" of White himself, it's just a statement as to the state of the article about him. Our Notability policies are pretty fixed so I don't see those changing, but all it would take to address it is some interested party adding in third-party neutral coverage of White's work, like other scholars citing him, critiquing him, journalists writing about the impact of his work on the world, etc. Every Wikipedia article is a work-in-progress, and White's just doesn't have enough non-primary documentation of his career yet. While I'm certain there are a multitude of articles that should also be tagged for Notability, the slow and inexorable curve of Wikipedia is to gradually tag and improve all articles, so a weak article in place X is no reason to lower standards on article Y. Even if you're not up to making the changes yourself, it's still useful of you to write in to us, and if you ever want to make any changes yourself, Teahouse volunteers would be happy to walk you through it. MatthewVanitas (talk) 02:35, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

When an article looks like an ad?
I've run across an article that appears to be nothing more than a product ad for an ice cream company. How does one flag an article for deletion or review? Just curious. Thanks! MidwayKaty (talk) 05:27, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, . There are a few options, depending on how bad the article is. First I would try and figure out if it's possible to save the page, to cut out the advertising and reduce the article to what's been said about the product in reliable, independent sources. If the article seems salvageable but you feel you lack the time or know how to fix it yourself, you could tag the page with a Template message, specifically by placing the code at the very top of the page. However, there are currently 20,393 pages with that template or similar on them (since it's easy to tag and harder to fix the tone), so if possible I would suggest dealing with the page yourself.


 * If an article is unfixable, then it's time to look to deletion. If the article is *really* bad, then you can tag it for speedy deletion if it meets the criteria here. If the article doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria, then you should take it to Articles for deletion for a discussion.


 * I hope this helps clear things up. If you're still confused about what you should do with the specific article you found, you could post a link to it here. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 05:48, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

The article is salvageable, it's not terrible: Halo_Top_Creamery. Although, tbh I don't have much time or interest in doing the work to fix it. Thanks for clearing up my question, very helpful info. I'll tag it at the top like you suggested, and work on it a bit as well. Thank you! MidwayKaty (talk) 05:55, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Need a review of my article
Submission my article is declined on the ground that it does not adequately show the subject's notability. You can find my article in the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ReadyViews AvdheshSingh99 (talk) 08:06, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That article has had two reviews by experienced reviewers - I'm not sure what more we can offer here. Do you have a specific question that is not answered by the information linked in those reviews?  They explain the need for in-depth coverage in reliable, independent sources to show that the subject is notable.  --Gronk Oz (talk) 08:24, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

adding LP to band's discography
I added two records to the discography of a band called the Drones (English band). One record seems to have been accepted, but the other record is in red italics which seems to suggest that it has not been accepted. I'm brand new to Wikipedia and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong here. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Sarahjean b (talk) 09:29, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. It isn't a question of being "accepted";  it is a redlink because there isn't an article with that title. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Can you make your own article?
I would like to create an article, but I cannot find a where you can create an article. Is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardsonLevi10 (talk • contribs) 01:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, RichardsonLevi10. Hopefully the page Your first article could explain how to do that. --CiaPan (talk) 11:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

company page
hi i have been asked to create a page for my company. please help112.196.45.10 (talk) 11:27, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP user: welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the basic answer is that it is not your business, or your company's business, to create an article about the company. If your company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability (which are not about fame, or popularity, or importance, or anything like this: they are simply about whether there is enough independent material published about the company to ground an article. Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what you or your company say or want to say about it), then somebody could write an article; but it shouldn't be you, and the company will have no control whatever over the content of the article. I suggest you study your first article to discover what is involved in writing an article, the link about notability above, and also about editing with a conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 13:16, 6 March 2017 (UTC)