Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 623

Own page
How Do I Create My Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by BBFAN222 (talk • contribs)


 * Hello, . If you mean, how can your create your user page, to tell people a little bit about yourself as a Wikipedia editor, please see Help:User page. If you mean that you want to create an article about yourself, the answer is please don't: you will cause grief and hassle for yourself and others if you try it. Creating a new article is one of the harder tasks on Wikipedia anyway, and autobiography is strongly discouraged. Wikipedia isn't for telling the world about things, (whether people, organisations, bands, concepts or anything else): Wikipedia is for summarising what reliable sources have already publshed about a subject. --ColinFine (talk) 22:39, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 2ND MISSION OF THE WIKI ADVENTURE I AM NOT ABLE TO RESPOND, THE DIRECTIONS KEEP REPEATING. CAN YOU HELP ME? Jean-ramon (talk) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * ...I'm by no means an experienced editor or host, but I'm pretty sure this isn't what belongs here. AManNamedEdwan (talk) 00:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , The Wikipedia Adventure is a training script on how to use Wikipedia, very lightly covered as a sort of video game or interactive story. It is suggested to many new users in welcome. A question about how to proceed through it is very much on topic here. I would make a substantive reply, but I am not really knowledgeable about the "adventure", beyond knowing what it is. DES (talk) 00:35, 6 June 2017 (UTC) It can be found at The_Wikipedia_Adventure if you are interested. DES (talk) 00:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah. Well, you learn something new every day I guess (or a few somethings!) Sorry for that uninformed response . AManNamedEdwan (talk) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I am trying to help! After looking at The_Wikipedia_Adventure, I think I see what you're doing but the issue you're having is unclear. Could you elaborate a bit more? AManNamedEdwan (talk) 01:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Where should I seek help drafting a new page?
I'm writing a page for keybase (self: edit this to have a link) in my sandbox (self: see previous note). Where should I go to get help making the draft as best as it can be before submitting for review?

Also, in Nthep's picture, is Nthep the cat or the man?

AManNamedEdwan (talk) 15:40, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. The first question is, are you affiliated with keybase in any way? if you are, you should declare that, on your user page or elsewhere. If you are, are you being paid or compensated in any way for making this page, or are you doing it as part of your employment, even if not receiving separate pay for it? If you are, you must disclose that as specified at WP:PAID.
 * The next question is Notability. I notice that half of the sources in your current sandbox draft are from keybase itself. The remaining sources look good, but several addition independent professionally published reliable sources would help a lot. You already seem to have citation format down, which is more than many new editors managed at this stage. But remember that all quotes must be explicitly attributed to a person or an entity (such as a business) and must be directly cited toi a source that contains the quote. See WP:QUOTE. DES (talk) 18:24, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The first question is, are you affiliated with keybase in any way? Nope. (Honestly have no idea how you got to that conclusion.) I'm aware of the issues with sources from keybase itself, which is something I was worrying about from the beginning. I'll try to find more sources that aren't just docs from keybase itself. Unfortunately, it's only recently that it has begun to really show up in independent sources, and even then only as small summaries. As far as the quote goes, it's from a previous version of the Keybase homepage which has since been replaced by an announcement of a new feature (which in this case, is incredibly annoying). I may just remove it and replace with something else. Thanks for your advice. AManNamedEdwan (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You might be able to find the old version of the page using https://archive.org/, . Your priority should be to find coverage in independent sources, though, otherwise there is a risk that the article will be nominated for deletion when it goes live, for not demonstrating that the subject meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I have seen the quote on an archived version of the page, but I'd like to find it just about anywhere else first (ie. an independent source.) I've found a similar bit of language here, but it looks like that would be a quote of a quote which is probably just as bad. I'll keep digging, or write something similar to what lives at the top of Reddit. AManNamedEdwan (talk) 21:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome, . is the cat, I believe. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * oh AManNamedEdwan (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi again, You wrote: So many times when a relatively new editor writes an article about a business, largely sourced from the business's own website, the editor turns out to be the owner or an employee. This happens often enough that asking about it is pretty routine.
 * You wrote Unfortunately, that does not bode well for notability. Something that is new, and has received scant coverage from independent reliable sources is often not ready for a Wikipedia article. But sometimes it is. Personally, the subject sounds interesting, and i hope it proves notable.
 * If you have further questions, or need help with Wikipedia's many technical aspects, or with its various and sundry conventions and policies, please feel free to ask here again, or to use help me. DES (talk) 00:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice/information. I'll see what I can do as far as sandboxed drafting goes, and hopefully will get it into the main list someday. Notability by sources is indeed proving difficult, but with time that may (hopefully) change. Or it won't. Either way, a fun exercise in learning MediaWiki's language. Thanks for the help, AManNamedEdwan (talk) 01:28, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

yayt
how do you put pictures on your new page?Banme101 (talk) 16:13, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Unfortunately images are not always easy to handle on Wikipedia, because of the complexities of copyright. Another experienced editor has written an essay which may help you: User:Yunshui/Images for beginners.
 * I see that you haven't yet created any pages: that is also a difficult operation, and I recommend you read Your first article carefully before you try it. (If you were talking about your user page, I suggest you have a look at WP:UPYES and WP:UPNO before you start). --ColinFine (talk) 19:16, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . In order to give you any competent advice about adding a specific picture, we must know some very detailed information about the photo. I am assuming that the image is a photo. What does the photo show? Who took the photo? When was it taken? When and where was it first published? Did you take the photo itself? What is the copyright status of the photo? Where did you find the photo? Where do you intend to use the photo on Wikipedia? These questions may seem overly detailed but we take copyright status very seriously on Wikipedia, and this is how we evaluate an image. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

How to add Infobox?
I want to ask how to add Infoboxes to wikipedia articles. I use mobile phone for editing articles. I want to discover how to add Infoboxes to wikipedia articles by editing articles?

Sinner (talk) 07:53, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I have little experience in editing on my mobile, so I can't speak to that. In general, the way I would go about adding an infobox to an article is to find an article on a similar subject, Edit Source on that article, and copy the whole infobox (from "" ) into the new article, and then edit the parameters as appropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 10:15, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

addition of photos/graphics
Nice to meet everyone. As someone new to Wikipedia, I am wondering about the importance of images. How important, to what extent do graphics play a part in my article? thanks!Kirschnik (talk) 07:12, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm wondering what you mean by "my article": Wikipedia articles don't belong to people. Incidentally, I see that the only article you have edited is Sam Spiegel Film and Television School, and in one of your edits, you removed two paragraphs, including five references. I assume that this was an accident, and I've restored the article to the state it was in before the removal. Maproom (talk) 08:59, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much.

I guess the terminology is still new to me - but that is true, I did take out two paragraphs and replaced them with updates that more accurately reflect the current state of the Sam Spiegel Film School. How do I make sure that the new paragraphs are updated? Instead of those previously there? Kirschnik (talk) 09:34, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . To answer your actual question: images are a good thing to make articles more attractive, and sometimes to help understanding. But they are not usually essential - which is just as well, because copyright restrictions often mean that there is no image available that can reasonably illustrate an article. Always concentrate on getting good references and a neutral tone before worrying about images. If you want to start working with images, User:Yunshui/Images for beginners is a good place to start. --ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * you deleted two paragraphs, with the edit summary "added chair of the board as well as a list of award winning graduates along with their films". That misleading edit summary makes your action look suspicious. If you want to remove those paragraphs, you should first explain on the article's talk page why you think the information in them is false or irrelevant, and why the references in them should not be trusted. If you want to add new material, you should include references to independent sources. I see that you have admitted to being a paid editor: please read Conflict of interest. I now understand what you meant by "my article". That article is not yours, it is WIkipedia's. Maproom (talk) 10:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Permission needed !
The article Moon was last edited by me featuring that the Earth might have 2 moons, not 1. But user Tomruen has redone my paragraph along with another reference. So I just want to know that can I delete his parafraph of Moon and make it as mine. But if I make it as mine, will it be deleted. This time a got a perfect reliable source. So just check it that it is a perfect reliable source. Sorry, I can't put the reference because some unwanted things like 20%. Because of this, it won't open the page and my article get deleted. So please teach me to get rid of some unwanted thing which are there in my referenceBadri Vishal and Mansi Krishna (talk) 10:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * See Sockpuppet investigations/K. Badri Vishal. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * User has been blocked indefinitely; see the user page and contributions listing. --CiaPan (talk) 11:51, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Question re: the latest feedback on my article
Hello, I recently go the following feedback on my article in Wiki and I don't know what it means. Could you please help?

"Needs to be rewritten entirely now that copyvio has been removed."

I don't know what a copyvio is. RLowery (talk) 14:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey RLowery. Copyvio is shorthand for copyright violation, which usually means that significant portions of the text were copy/pasted from another copyrighted source, or was closely enough paraphrased that it wouldn't legally constitute an original work. On Wikipedia, we shouldn't be going beyond the information in the sources, since that would be original research, but we also have to rephrase that information so that the presentation is "our own". Timothy Joseph Wood  14:15, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

World Cafe
Hi  DGG and Justlettersandnumbers - you commented recently on a message I posted on the World Café article. The thread of the post seems to have disappeared. It may have been archived because the request appeared to have been answered. However, I didn't see a response to my last message in the thread and wondered if you might give some thought to the points I made?

Essentially, I was saying that, as it stands, the article doesn’t really give an understanding of how World Café events actually work and how they differ from other types of group activity. I thought it would be useful to include an explanation of this.

Additionally, while the older version of the article indicated the range of organisations that have used World Café events, both in terms of type and geographical location, this is missing from the article as it now stands. I made the point that this underlines the notability of the article and so may be worth including. What do you think? Fbell74 (talk) 11:12, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * The thread is archived at Teahouse/Questions/Archive 621. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I haven't been to look at the earlier discussion, or the article. But just reacting to what you've said above: If an independent reliable source has discussed how the events differ from other kinds of group activity, then it may be appropraite for the article to summarise what this source has said. If not, then such a discussion does not belong in the article, as it would be original research. Secondly, notability is defined very precisely in Wikipedia's terms, and the number of customers (or fans, or associates, or whatever) does not figure in it. In most cases, a selective list of significant customers or partners is more appropriate than an exhaustive list. --ColinFine (talk) 13:02, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Added a ping link. CiaPan (talk) 13:16, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

... but of course the ping link won't ping as it wasn't added in the same edit as the signature. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:11, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You have once again failed to declare your WP:PAID relationship to this topic while discussing it, . Why exactly is that? Just as before, declaration is obligatory, not optional.
 * I assume that you have by now looked at 's clear and detailed to your previous post. It seems to deal with all your concerns.
 * As for what I think … well, I think that paid editors should stick rigorously to the conditions under which their presence here is – for reasons that I am quite incapable of understanding – tolerated. And I think that someone, or perhaps a small army, needs to go into John Travis (physician) with heavy equipment. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:54, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks David Biddulph for pointing out the link to the previous thread. I can see the detailed response left by DGG to my other post, which addressed the points I had made before.


 * ColinFine There are independent reliable sources that were included in the previous version of the article, which describe the World Café method. These tend to focus on the latter rather than discussing several kinds of group activity, so they don’t necessarily make comparisons between the different types. Do you think they would still be worth using?  DGG picked up the point about not including a long list of customers and suggested inputting references instead. That’s probably a better way to go, maybe mentioning types (e.g. local government, oil companies).


 * Justlettersandnumbers - apologies, I had previously indicated in the article that I was a paid contributor, but didn’t repeat this in the Teahouse posts. Hopefully this will rectify that. Fbell74 (talk) 16:29, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

My article is getting deleted often along with the reference
May I know that why are you deleting my articles along with the reference. If there is any problem, please report me. Last time, I wrote the article Moon that earth had 2 moons. I wrote it as a proven fact. Then it got deleted and a Wikipedian wrote in my talk page that I din't write as the collision would have formed 2 moons not 1. Then yesterday - 3rd of June, 2017, I wrote it as it would have formed 2 moons and I din't write it as a proven fact, but it also got deleted, so I want to know the reason. If you want the link of the reference which is a video please visit K. Badri Vishal (talk) 04:36, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . You have been trying to add a fringe theory to an important scientific article using a YouTube video as a source. This is disruptive editing and there is no way that you will get consensus for such edits. You must use high quality, respected, peer reviewed scientific sources for such claims. Examples would be articles in respected astronomy journals or books published by respected university presses. This is not negotiable. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  07:33, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

K. Badri Vishal, User Tomruen has now added the information to the article, with a more reliable source. Rojomoke (talk) 11:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the OP was unable to find Claimed moons of Earth. Jim.henderson (talk) 17:20, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

How to know if my contribution is approved and how long does it take to be approved
Hello everyone

I am new around and have decided to contribute my quota in this amazing website called wikipedia.

I want to know how long it takes for my contributions, citations and dead link correction to be approved and how do I know if it was approved by the moderators in the house?

thanks Rebecca Exlink10 (talk) 11:51, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Rebecca. Changes you make to Wikipedia are live the second you save the page - there isn't a moderation process. If you make a change to an article, that change is immediately visible. There are a couple of exceptions (when you create a completely new article as a draft, for example, or if a page is under pending changes protection), but as a rule, when you save, the edit is live straight away. Yunshui 雲 水 12:17, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, Exlink10, and welcome to the Teahouse! To add to what Yunshui said: Wikipedia also has a Recent Changes Patrol who ensure your edits are not vandalism. There are some pages that unregistered users, or users with a low edit count, cannot edit. This is because they are often vandalized. To answer your question - all of your edits are live on Wikipedia! Thank you for your contribution to our project! Keira  1996  12:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Just a tip, : when you replace a dead-link reference, as you did here, you can remove the dead link template message (the code in this case). Cordless Larry (talk) 13:38, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * In this case you also needed to change the name of the reference to match that of the article which it pointed to - as it was, it was misleading as it referred to a different year. I've made both changes. If you want to see what I did, you can take a look at the 'diff' in the edit history. Neiltonks (talk) 13:16, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * If you're creating a new article, you can save it as Draft:.... (see HELP) and it will automatically be reviewed for approval fairly quickly. If it's just a change to an existing article, as others have said, it's IN unless someone objects to it. Some important or popular pages are monitored by a senior editor, and some editors keep a watch on pages of particular interest to them.  When you make a change, check off the "Watch this page box", and it will be added to your Watchlist.  Check your watchlist regularly (should be a link on the top bar) -- if nobody's changed or reverted your edit, it stands -- for now (Wikipedia is always in flux). D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Citeing myself as 'real'
Hi, I have created the page Andi Bonsai, and it is saying I need to cite a valid reference or it will be deleted. I am a music producer and I have cited discogs website, a cite that I have an endorsement with....does anyone have a tip on best way to do this before I am deleted.

Andibonsai (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * The question is not whether you're "real", it's whether you're notable, in the strange sense in which Wikipedia uses that word. To establish that you are notable, you'll need to cite several reliable independent sources that discuss you. At present there are four references, but
 * does not give an issue number or page number, so it's not practicable to check it
 * does not discuss you
 * does not even mention you
 * does not discuss you
 * Maproom (talk) 18:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In addition, as I noted on Help Desk, where this was also asked, please read Autobiography - you should not be working on an article about yourself.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  20:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi I'm Braden
Hi I'm Braden can you be my friend we can play infinite warfare and slouch people. We can also make a family friendly YouTube video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Familyfriendlybraden (talk • contribs)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place to ask this. This is a help facility for editing Wikipedia, not for any other kind of activities. You are very welcome to get involved with editing Wikipedia, but please keep social activities, game playing, and making videos, to other sites. --ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Colin, when something like this happens, does the post get removed? Checks Facts  will happily talk  01:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Normally, we only remove a post if it includes things like gross personal attacks on other people, obviously obscene language without any intent to improve the encyclopedia, or complete gibberish. Otherwise, we leave posts intact, since someone may learn something from them. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  04:33, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . Every day you learn something new. Checks Facts  will happily talk  20:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

how to get book jacket cover to use in Wiki
How do I get a book jacket cover to use in Wiki article?MoondawgII (talk) 16:28, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . If you have the book you can take a picture of the jacket, or take a screenshot if you can bring it up online. However, please note that, unless the book was published prior to 1923, it is under copyright and the picture can only be used via fair use reasoning on the book's article. White Arabian Filly  Neigh 21:49, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, .White Arabian Filly is correct. For complete details, please read Non-free content, especially subsection 3.1.3. If the cover is copyrighted, which applies to the vast majority of books published since 1923, you need to upload a low resolution image here on Wikipedia, not on Wikimedia Commons. A book cover image can be used only in the article about the book. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  23:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

identity problem
Is it required or just preferred that we sign in with a user name other than our own? Why is this? Jean-ramon (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Jean, it is suggested that you select a user name that is different from your given name, as revealing your real name may leave you vulnerable to harassment from malicious editors. Many editors, however, do use user names that include all or part of their given names. In the end, the choice is yours. Feel free to read more about the user name policy at Username policy. Thank you,  caknuck  <sub style="color:black;">°  needs to be running more often  22:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , I for one, edit under my full legal name, and I wish that more editors did so. But that is each editor's choice to make. It is a good idea that an editor be aware of possible downsides when choosing to edit under a name easily linked with his or her (perhaps particularly her, from what I hear from female Wikipedians) off-line self. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:06, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Uploading pictures
How do I upload pictures.


 * Try this: File Upload Wizard.  Nik ol ai Ho ☎️ 03:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Deadlock on a low footfall article
Same question, different day. I made some, to me, pretty uncontroversial edits to the Origin and meaning section of Redskins (slang). Before, and after.

It's a low footfall article. The one editor that seems to be interested in it took exception, reverted even incremental changes where the source did not confirm the statement made, refused to talk, took it to NPOV (still open, and used as a justification to block all editing), took it to ANI (closed, content dispute). I can justify all the changes, the majority of which were just to get the references to support the text, although it was the removal of OR and my questioning of the impartiality of one of the sources that seems to have cause the problem.

Once the ANI closed, I opened a WP:3O and summarised on the Talk page, but that timed out with no input. We've managed to have a little discussion since, but the other editor is not budging in his insistence that various sources are good and need to be in the article when it's quite clear to me that they're not. I've even used WP:RX (who were excellent, as usual) to access the relevant book for one of them, and there is literally no research or support in the chapter for the one sentence statement, which appears to be merely a shock statement. And yet the editor is suggesting that this somehow doesn't just carry weight, but it carries broadly comparable weight to a 20 page journal article by a Smithsonian academic and should be in the Lead!

Anyway, I'm going on, but it's been a month, and a lot of wasted electrons. I'm fairly convinced that the editor is going to continue to be obstructive, and that he can't be neutral on the subject (ironic, given the NPOV), but that will likely change in the face of consensus. What would you recommend to break the deadlock? Cheers, Bromley86 (talk) 22:55, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I do not see the other editor refusing to talk, as you claim, but rather I see that editor explaining their position quite clearly and cogently. The bottom line is that you have been unable to achieve consensus for your proposed changes and Wikipedia operates on consensus. My suggestion is to drop the matter and work on other articles instead, but that is just my personal opinion. The Teahouse is not a place for resolving content disputes, but is instead a place for answering questions from inexperienced editors about the basics of editing the encyclopedia. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  02:45, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks . Actually, he is refusing to discuss most matters, but that's beside the point, and I'm not too keen on dropping it just because someone thinks they own the article.  But you're right, I should have stuck to the point: I was really asking what the correct dispute resolution procedure is.  Another try at 3O, RFC, or something else?  Bromley86 (talk) 03:05, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In my opinion,, an RFC has the best chance of attracting input from thoughtful, uninvolved editors. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  04:24, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, much appreciated. Bromley86 (talk) 09:19, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

How do I know if what im posting is appropoiate content ?
Hi editors, first time attempting to contribute-

How do I know if my content is appropriate to post? eg. If I did a post like "Things to do in Cape Town, South Africa", or would I have to refine the topic more? Editorguy 919 (talk) 16:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Editorguy 919, and thanks for planning to contribute. When thinking about what to write an article about, I find it's helpful to look at What Wikipedia is not.  If you read this policy, it mentions that Wikipedia articles should not read like travel guides. If you find a location or business in Cape Town, on the other hand, that has been covered by reliable sources, that would be a good topic for an article. Let me know if you have any more questions! Margalob (talk) 16:42, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Margalob, thank you for the feedback.

Was very helpful. So just to clarify, if I did decide to write about a business how would I know the line? Because as far as I know, you can't write about businesses entities (may be considered promotions)? 12:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorguy 919 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You may certainly write about business entities, . Wikipedia has tens of thousands of such articles, or more. The trick is to write neutrally. State only facts, and only those facts for which you can cite a source. Any opinions should be those of a named person or entity, preferably in a direct quote, and should be directly supported by a citation. Terms such as "best of its class" ,"extraordinary", "Committed to customer satisfaction", "World renouned", "famous" and similar marketing talk should be left out. That is the line. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:43, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi @Des,

Thank you, very informative. Really like the community here. Everyone is very helpful.

Sorry to ask another question, unrelated and probably silly. But how do I tag/link someone in the post, so they know I'm addressing them? Editorguy 919 (talk) 13:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Explained at WP:Notifications. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Need help moving page
I need help changing the page name from reabiliti(https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reabiliti) to reliabiliti. The page was misplelled. Reliabiliti should be the translation from reliability. Hayate891 (talk) 12:08, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. This page is for help with the English-language edition of Wikipedia. What you want is the move function, but I do not know what it is called or where in the interface it is for the version of Wikipedia that you re working on. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:22, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , a help desk for ms-Wiki seems to be located at ms:Wikipedia:Meja_bantuan - you could try asking for additional advice there (I don't speak the language myself). All language-specific Wikipedia projects have their own autonomous policies, administrators and forums, so we can't help you here on en-Wiki with ms-Wiki questions. Hope that helps a bit nonetheless. GermanJoe (talk) 12:38, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You're right. Thanks and . I will try over there. I was looking for the move function. I can't find it. It's not in en wiki or ms wiki. I don't know why. Hayate891 (talk) 12:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * On the en-Wikipedia, The Move fn is restricted to Autoconfirmed users, and your account is not listed as such, although I think it should be. Perhaps a few more edits will do it. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs
 * Yes, indeed. I got a notification of 10 edits just after that. And the move function is then available in en wiki. I don't really need it now in en wiki. But at least I know why. I will just have to make some more editing in ms wiki to unlock the move function over there too I think. I guess, the case is solved now. Thanks DESiege. :) Hayate891 (talk) 16:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

How to remove the "too much primary sources" warning at the top of the page
"This article relies too much on references to primary sources. Please improve this by adding secondary or tertiary sources."

I have read the instructions that follows and I am still confused. I addressed the issue and want to remove this warning. According to the instruction, I should be able to do it in Edit. I didn't see the message in there.

Thank you in advance for any help on this.Afunai (talk) 15:44, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * The template which gives the warning is the one that says, but you oughtn't to remove it while 2 of the 3 sources are from the company's own website. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the teahouse. I take it this is about Roman Meal. (In future it is helpful to give a link to the article when asking for help, althoguh we cna often figure it out.) There really should be at least three independent and reliable sources cited, more if possible. The one in place is a fairly through coverage, but a single source is always a problem. The advice above from  is quite correct. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:11, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , here is a link to a promising source:
 * International Directory of Company Histories. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  16:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia
Hello, Im new to wikipedia.. How do I get an article i stumbled upon approved in here? I have been editing wikis at wiki.teamliquid as well.. Shikarath (talk) 15:49, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I suggest that you begin by reading Your first article. To get a draft article reviewed by experienced editors, use Articles for creation. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  16:11, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Is this about Draft:Kyoto eSports?. That draft has several problems.
 * It uses other wikis as sources: wikis are usually not considered reliable sources.
 * One cited source is another Wikipedia article, this is never acceptable.
 * It includes lots of game results, rather than content about the gaming company that is the nominal subject. Those should probably be removed. If they stay, they must be cited to a reliable source.
 * Several of the cited sources seem to be affiliated with the subject. Fully independent sources are needed.
 * Because of the previous issue, the notability of the subject has not yet been demonstrated by this draft.
 * It seem there is also a problem with conflict of interest on the part of at least one editor. This means that editors need to be particularly careful that the article is neutral, and does not contain unsourced opinions or promotional content. Everything in the article should be derived from a cited source, and anything at all controversial or surprising should be cited to an independent source if at all possible.
 * Until those issues are dealt with, the draft is unlikely to be approved. If you have more specific questions after reading these pointers and Your First Article please do ask them here. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Cant get my page published
Hi,

I cannot seem to get my page published even thought I have followed the template of a competitor brand.Eosonaike (talk) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * On wikipedia, pages need to show the notability of their subject. A way to check notability is to see if this company has been covered by independent, reliable sources. I noticed that you cite the company's website in your article, which is not an independent source. If you're unable to find independent, reliable sources, this company is not notable enough for an article. Margalob (talk) 16:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that the "Our history" source goes to a UK government site, but it seems to be simply copying from a company provided listing, and in any case is just a directory entry, and gives no detail about the firm. The same is true of the "CIO Review" cite -- no real detail is given. The offline source i cannot evaluate, of course. To be approved, the draft must cite multiple, independent, professionally-published, reliable sources, that discuss the company in some detail, normally several paragraphs at least. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:50, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * For reference; Draft:Orbus Software ([ edit] &#124; talk &#124; [ history] &#124; [ protect] &#124; [ delete] &#124; [ links] &#124; [ watch] &#124; [ logs] &#124; [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?pages=&project=en.wikipedia.org views]) DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:51, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Deleted page
My page has been deleted because it was described as promotional. How do I get back the content of my work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YanniYanni (talk • contribs) 15:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * You presumably haven't read the message given to you by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi at User talk:YanniYanni? --David Biddulph (talk) 16:00, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Wasn't that page a personal sandbox? I'm confused as to why it was deleted.Margalob (talk) 16:32, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It was a sandbox, apparently intended as a draft article. But while sandboxes and drafts do not need to comply with all the standards that articles do, promotional pages can be and often are deleted under speed deletion criterion G11 even in draft or user space. Phrases such as made the draft quite promotional. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:57, 7 June 2017 (UTC)  DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:58, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Creating Family Tree for individual in Wikipedia article
Hi - I was wondering how best to create a family tree for an individual who has a wikipedia article published already ("Edward Howell died 1655"). His ancestry has been proven by genealogist Douglas Richardson Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, 2nd Edition (2011) and thought this may be worthwhile/valuable information to publish considering Edward Howell has a wikipedia page? Wasn't sure, if worth creating, if this the tree should be published separately or included in the Howell article itself as an edit? Kind thanks in advance for your feedback/advice. Carterclewis (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

How to report vandalism in an article?
I just found an article with a frivolous edit that was made just yesterday. It appears to be vandalism. How do I report it as vandalism? Lupine453 (talk) 17:44, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * You can correct it yourself and warn the editor. See WP:Vandalism. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Mascot Infobox
I was making an edit to a college mascot page (Wilbur and Wilma Wildcat, University of Arizona). I thought it would be fun to add an autograph or signature to the Infobox on the right, which is when I learned what an Infobox was. I tried to mimic the page from Bill Clinton to add the signature, but it didn't show up on the page. Then, I tried to add an autograph key to the mascot Infobox template, but that didn't work either. What am I doing wrong? Thanks! Adamjaffeback (talk) 22:44, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey Adamjaffeback. You're not doing anything wrong. You could try forever to add the autograph to the infobox and it will never work--because the parameter is a phantom. While the template documentation lists the facility, no actual code for an autograph parameter is in the template's code. It could be that the person who made the template planned on adding it but never did, or maybe they copied the documentation for the template from another one that did have the facility, and then never removed those instructions from this template's documentation. I'm not a great coder, just a dilettante, but I think I can add the code to make it work. I'll report back in a little while. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * @Adamjaffeback: Done. Autograph is displaying.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:57, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your work, Fuhghettaboutit! AdamTWildcat (talk) 18:36, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

What's the difference between "Alert Articles for creation: QWERTY has been accepted" and the "Notice The page QWERTY has been reviewed"?
Hello again. Maybe I should just ignore this, but I can't resist. I got an "alert" indicating that an article I wrote, Golgi matrix has been accepted. Later, I got a "notice" indicating that the matrix page had been reviewed. The 2 messages were from 2 different editors. The notice appears in "public logs", but not the alert. What is the difference between "acceptance" and "review"? What is the difference between "alerts" and "notifications"? Thank you. JeanOhm (talk) 18:33, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi JeanOhm. You got the alert because a user posted to your talk page: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JeanOhm&diff=784136814&oldid=783266099] Any post would have caused an alert. In this case the post informed you that your draft had been approved and become an article. It's possible to make this approval without posting to you and causing an alert. The later notice about the review is part of New pages patrol which can apply to all new pages anywhere but is mostly used on new articles. The feature ignores whether an article started as a draft and was accepted there. You can just ignore this, or read the link if you want to know more. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:14, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

How can enable the toolbar that suggested articles that need help
Right after creating an account, there was a tool bar prompt that suggested articles that needed basic help (grammar, formatting etc.).

The tool bar has since disappeared. Wondering how to get it back? Thanks.

AllenAdam76 (talk) 19:24, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi AllenAdam76, welcome to the Teahouse. See GettingStarted, or click [ Random article] . PrimeHunter (talk) 20:13, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Request for help with biased User
The article I am trying to edit is highly inaccurate and each time I try to correct it there is a particular User (perhaps more than one person but one user account) who is just undoing it each time. The user account seems to have been created solely for this purpose. I'm certain that they know the page is inaccurate but they want to keep it that way. What can I do? Thanks Banjo92 (talk) 00:57, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * for reference:
 * Hello,, and welcome to the teahouse. It appears that you and the other editor are at least talking on Talk:Kenja Communication, which is a start. There are several methods of dispute resolution available. Since there seem to be just two editors in dispute, a Third Opnion might be a good place to start. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:21, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I assume you are talking about the article Kenja Communication and see that you were forced to change your user name from KenjaAus that you appear to have a conflict of interest with the article. I would suggest declaring the conflict and maybe taking your edit suggestions to the talk page of the article. NZ Footballs Conscience (talk) 01:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks DES, will do. NZ Football, thanks for your suggestion. It is clear that there are other users on here who are biased. Talking to them isn't going to change that, as you are probably aware. Just aiming for accuracy so I'll get more input as suggested. Banjo92 (talk) 01:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Fred J. Dodge
Posting here to seek assistance from someone versed in welcoming new editors. A large amount of unformatted text has been added to this article by a new editor. It needs formatting, better referencing, etc. The change broke the existing infobox. They did ask for assistance in an edit summary. I reverted once, but don't want to be too WP:bitey. Should the updates be moved to the user's sandbox so they can be worked on there. This is almost like a new article, but since there was a stub, directing the editor to the AFC process doesn't seem to quite fit although they do need to learn almost everything. Thanks. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 18:03, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . The text that was added was a copyright violation from the book the user cited, Under Cover for Wells Fargo. As such, it had to be removed and the article history redacted. The book might be a good source for mining and verifying additions to the article (but, of course, cannot be copied from, or, as was the case here, too closely paraphrased). Checking for copyright violations is often a go-to starting point when you see any large additions of content. This content had many hallmarks about it that made me think it was likely to be a copyvio, which was then confirmed by looking at the source. I recently wrote a guide to recognizing such hallmarks, provided material on checking for them, and procedures for dealing with them when they are confirmed, at New pages patrol. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for taking care of this. I am on vacation now with a small keyboard and slow internet connection, so I can't do that much easily. I didn't think copyvio because the tone seemed rather informal. Glad you had the time to check more thoroughly. I read what you put on the editors talk page. Hopefully they will follow those guidelines. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 04:31, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Help me look at my draft page for Magnus Penker
Hi!

I have created a draft, and waiting for a review, for the page "Magnus Penker" (Draft:Magnus Penker). If anyone have time to help me look at it I would be very grateful! :)

Best regards, Strongline123 (talk) 08:12, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've looked at Draft:Magnus Penker, and at several of the sources it cites, and I'm still wondering why he's notable. A reviewer will be looking for reliable independent sources with significant discussion of him. They won't be interested in what he has said about himself. Maproom (talk) 08:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Maproom! Thank you for looking at the draft! Do you mean "Talarforum" or cites from his books? I used his books to explain his works/methods. I also added a few independet sources. Several of his books are "best-selling". His been cited on several wikipedia-pages: Hans-Erik_Eriksson, Unified_Modeling_Language, Enterprise_engineering and Business_process_modeling

Best regards, Strongline123 (talk) 10:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I've now looked at the "Talarforum" source, and I strongly recommend omitting it. For one thing, Wikipedia is not interested in what a subject says about himself. Also, it can give a negative impression of him: "Mr. Penker is driven by the recognition that in these turbulent times, we must understand what we are really good at" makes him sound (to me, anyway) like a self-promoting bullshitter.
 * Which of the sources do you consider as independent? Maproom (talk) 12:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Is it a single or not
How to identify is the song a single or not? What if the song has released on Spotify, YouTUbe, Shazam and SoundCloud but not iTunes, is that still consider as a single and put in the "Single" category? Or just put it in another category that's not in the "single" section? Thanks :) JustofiedT147AG (talk) 13:02, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for inviting me. I used wikipedia a few years ago but forgot everything even my login and password lol. I am now back. I will create new articles soon and clean Wikipedia and contribute to making a change. I love this portal. I would like to get templates and codes please suggest where do I find them Prof.Marlin (talk) 17:33, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I think that you will find WP:CHEATSHEET to be a good place to start. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  17:42, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

new page about me and my group
Hey,

My name is Philippe Lemm. Im a new york based drummer and leading my own trio for about 5 years. I wanted to make a Wikipedia page with information about the group and its collaborations. My first attempt got denied :This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Can anyone help? There is a lot of interesting information about this group, the awards it has won etc that i think is relevant to be on wikipedia.

Best, Philippe

Philippelemm (talk) 11:56, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid that the best advice for you is, Don't! Autobiography - and, by extension, writing about your own group, band, company, organisation, etc - is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. If there are substantial materials about your group, written by people unconnected with the group, and published in reliable places such as major newspapers or books from reputable publishers, then there could be an article based on these sources; but you should not be the one to write it. Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything which the subject of an article has said, or wants to say: it is only interested in what independent people have publishd about the subject. If there are such sources, your best bet is to post a request as requested articles: there are no guarantees about when, or whether, a volunteer will pick up your request: but if you find some solid sources, this will make it more attractive. --ColinFine (talk) 13:00, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Even if you're absolutely sure, afer reading what ColinFine wrote above, that you are able to maintain a neutral point of view and objective tone when writing about your group or yourself (see WP:NPOV and WP:OR policy pages), you would have also to clearly disclose your conflict of interest (as described at WP:COI). Those policies are considered very important by Wikipedians' community, so please stick to them, or you risk your contribution will be deleted and your account blocked from editing Wikipedia. --CiaPan (talk) 13:15, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * ,, the backlog at requested articles is so large, and so few users seem to create articles based on requests there, that I no longer advise users to place requests there: I think it a waste of time and server space. Otherwise i must agree with most of what ColinFine and CiaPan said above. I will add that if you do decide to go ahead in spite of this advice, please read Your First Article and referencing for beginners first, please use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project, try to work with one or more experienced editors, and listen to their advice if they are willing to give it. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:21, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

When to use Americanised words "z" usage in particular e.g. Globalisation and Globalization?
AvatarofPride (talk) 18:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Use American spelling when the article is written in American English. See WP:ENGVAR for the more specific detail. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It is often said -ize is American and -ise British but note that -ize is generally an acceptable, if slightly unusual, spelling in Britain as well, Manual of Style/Spelling. Also, even in America, some words are -ise such as revise. Thincat (talk) 19:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Non-clickable images
Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to make an image which cannot be clicked (which leads to the page file). Thanks.  Nik ol ai Ho ☎️ 03:08, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes,, but this should generally not be done in article space. Also, this may not be done anywhere with images that are licensed anything other than public domain, because clicking on the image will take you to the license terms. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:48, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , can you please tell me how it can be done? I am not planning to use it in an article but simply for knowledge. Thanks.  Nik ol ai Ho ☎️ 01:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't actually know how to do that. I know some templates do that (those based on, and , for instance). It's not in Extended image syntax. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It's at Extended image syntax. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:17, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Info box templates (for company)
Hi, I am looking for pre prepared templates for info box of companies. Where I can get that?HeatherMPinchbeck (talk) 19:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * is one of a few. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 19:37, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * (ec) Welcome to Wikipedia. There is Infobox company, which is probably what you want.  You can look at other articles about companies (such as General Motors) to see how it looks. RudolfRed (talk)

Thank you guys HeatherMPinchbeck (talk) 20:38, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Personal picture on Userpage?
I am new here to contribute to Wikipedia. I want to ask you seniors, Can I post my personal picture on my Userpage? Muhammad.IQ (talk) 22:08, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As long as it meets the requirements to be uploaded to Commons. See here for details. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 22:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't even have to be on commons, it just has to be freely licensed. I keep my personal picture on the en-wikipedia, not commons, with a very precise attribution requirement, precisely to discourage reuse, although it is freely licensed. See File:David_Siegel.jpg for details. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:15, 8 June 2017 (UTC)