Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 674

Intimidation / threat to create a media scandal: specific rule?
Is there a specific rule against an intimidation for the media to be alerted, like here (last sentence) or here (last sentence translation: "You are well aware that everything is public, and that anyone can post in on Twitter […] (with all the media fuss to come due to some expression used in talk page" (PDD = page de discussion).

I guess it is already forbidden, but I think there it is nowhere specifically written and I think it would be useful. Where to propose that to be written?

Thanks.

Launebee (talk) 19:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . You may be interested in WP:THREATEN. If you don't think the guidelines page discusses exactly what you are dealing with, you might post on that talk page. White Arabian Filly  Neigh 21:38, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . Per WP:TPG, talk page discussion is required to be in English. You may wish to warn the editor by placing Talk:Panthéon-Assas University on their talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 23:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, I've seen threats to involve the media dealt with by an administrator making an WP:IAR application of WP:NLT. The no legal threat policy is intended to prevent an editor from "chilling" discussion by threatening legal action. That appears to be exactly the effect that the editor is trying to invoke here. In order to have that happen, you'd need to file a complaint at WP:ANI. Just a couple cautions about that: First, Po has been discussed there way too many times. Make sure you support your complaint fully with diffs like you did here and keep it as brief as possible. Second, make sure your own hands are clean (not accusing you of anything, as I haven't, and won't be, digging into it) as everyone involved in an ANI complaint are subject to investigation. John from Idegon (talk) 23:15, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot John from Idegon. It is not the only time he has been using French to get away from control. For example, the edit summaries of the 12 September..
 * Regarding the warning, it would be better if somebody else does it. That user has been very aggressive and harassing so I prefer not to have too much contact, it would be an occasion to bully me again.
 * There is an ANI request mainly on other attacks toward me. I did not mention the non-English stuff I think, because it was long enough. --Launebee (talk) 23:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I can vouch for the translation of the second diff, but if you go complain at WP:ANI or the like with only what you provided here, you will probably be laughed out. On a random topic, "journalists can see this" would be considered meh but probably not actionable (I am no ANI lawyer though), and on the Panthéon-Assas-related pages which have been a huge troll nest (for some reason I cannot fathom, but I have renounced understanding how they form after reading this other example) it would never ever end up with a sanction. Tigraan Click here to contact me 12:12, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I am a Music Artist and I would Like To Have my "Biography" LISTED...
WIKI, Where is the best place on Wikipedia to post my Music Artist Biography for my 'fans' to read about...I had a POST recently DELETED for 'self-promotion!?! but there were no SUGGESTIONS as to where I could POST!?!Peter Frank Santovito (talk) 16:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Please help!

Thank you, Sincerely,

Peter Frank SantovitoPeter Frank Santovito (talk) 16:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. Please take a look at Notability (music) to see if you can find reliable sources that verifies the basic criteria of notability for biographies of living persons. Alex ShihTalk 16:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an outlet for promoting youself. We have some suggestions for alternative outlets. Mduvekot (talk) 16:44, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Request for progress of my article
Dear anyone concerned! I would like to know the progress status of my article titled: "Tanzania Media Service Act, 2016". I highly request you to review the artcile and when necessary to publish it. Thank you.
 * Hello That could take a while. There is currently a backlog of 13943 unreviewed pages going back to about March of this year. A small group of experienced editors are working very hard to clear that backlog. Note that Tanzania Media Service Act, 2016 has been published. It is available to any reader of Wikipedia, it just hasn't been indexed by search engines yet,  Mduvekot (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Mduvekot. I've done a copyedit. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Request of review progress
I would like to know the progress of my article titled; "Tanzania Media Service Act, 2016". I highly request you to review the article and when necessary to publish it.

Thank you. Alfred Mwaseba (talk) 16:25, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * as mentioned in the reply to your previous request, there is a large backlog, so you need to be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Help required on an AfD nomination
Hello, I think i messed up somewhere while nominating an article (A. V. Thomas) for deletion. Can someone kindly guide me. Mark the trainDiscuss 17:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Alex ShihTalk 17:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks a ton!! Mark the trainDiscuss 17:46, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Move an article from my sandbox to live on the site
I have created an article called Johnny Burgin and do not understand how to move it from my Sandbox to being a live article on Wikipedia.Msblues (talk) 18:56, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I've moved it from your sandbox to Draft:Johnny Burgin. But it's not ready to be a live article yet, the referencing needs to be converted to a more standard style. See Help:Referencing for beginners. Maproom (talk) 19:12, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

i wrote an article but it got rejected i don'tknow why
Hi, I wrote an article about somebody but i don't why it got rejected twice. 17:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaurav.suri2 (talk • contribs)
 * The submission templates state that the first decline was for a lack of reliable sources. We require that all article content be supported by reliable reference material, but enforce that especially strictly in biographies of a living person, which you're writing. The second time around, it looks like you had tried to put some citations, but the formatting is broken and it's not clear what article content the citations are meant to support. For information on using inline citations to support specific article content with a particular reference, see WP:CITE. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:54, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * i am not able to find the article which i was writting

17:58, 22 September 2017 (UTC)~
 * It is here Draft:Jatin Suri Theroadislong (talk) 18:00, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * i have added references in a correct manner this time. Will it get approved this time.

18:29, 22 September 2017 (UTC)~
 * Well, I'm not the reviewer, but I wouldn't approve it if I were. The Times of India reference is a good one, but we usually don't want to base an article off a single source. It's not appropriate to use other Wikipedia articles as references. What you'd be looking for is more references like that Times of India piece. If that's the only one out there, it might be a bit too soon for an article about this individual right now. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * , are you signing your posts here using four tildes ( ~ )? You seem to be signing with a timestamp but no username. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Request to publish Article.
I would like to know why my article titled "Kibaha education center " has been reviewed but not yet published? Mwakibinga (talk) 16:15, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, The article Kibaha education centre has been published. You did that when you created it. After it was reviewed the noindex tag was removed, and a search engine may pick it up at some point. We have no control when that happens.  Mduvekot (talk) 16:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Hi Mwakibinga, welcome to the Teahouse. There is no article called "Kibaha education center" with that spelling of "center". The article Kibaha education centre with "centre" has been published since you created it five days ago. If you refer to indexing by external search engines then it's currently allowed and I see the article in Google, Yahoo and Bing, but it can vary how long it takes for different search engines to index articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:45, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Kibaha education center is now a redirect to Kibaha education centre. Maproom (talk) 19:31, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

How do I code a side photo for an article?
I added a photo to my article, Richard Coons via upload ot Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RRC-BW.jpg#.7B.7Bint:filedesc.7D.7D

Because I loaded it into Commons, there wasn't a choice for the description. I want the description under the photo to read like the photo in this description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_William_Wood

Richard Coons Born	December 13, 1929 Los Angeles, California Died	November 28, 2003 (aged 73) Bishop, California, United States Known for	Landscape painting Movement	California Plein-Air Painting, American Realism

What is the code for this? I'd like this under the photograph. yosemite4 Yosemite4 (talk) 17:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. If you look at the wikicode for the article to which you refer, you will see that it uses Infobox artist.  --David Biddulph (talk) 17:29, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Think I'm getting it.

For instance, on birthdate:
 * birth_date   =

I want to use: For people who have died, use But how should it ultimately look: ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yosemite4 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * birth_date   = |1929|December|13|


 * It would be:
 * --David Biddulph (talk) 19:28, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Got it - thank you! Yosemite4 (talk) 19:51, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Good example of a SaaS company page?
I submitted a draft for a fintech company (Nvoicepay), and it was rejected for reading too much like an advertisement. I'm wondering if I should just copy the structure & source types of a similar company that's already published on Wiki? I looked up a partner of theirs called Coupa >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupa Does this sound like a good plan?

Thanks for you help! Cat lvr89 (talk) 17:19, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello Unless you know how to assess article quality, please don't use an unassessed article or a stub as an example and read WP:OTHERSTUFF to get a sense of why many editors don't feel that just because something else is even more promotional, we should publish yet another promotional article, or that a company should have an article because a competitor does. Such arguments don't hold water here. "Good" or "featured" articles are good examples, but a competitor's page is likely just as problematic as the article you're trying to create. Note that "good" her means that it meets our good article criteria.
 * I'd also like to point out that copying the structure of another article to make the promotional nature of an article less obvious is probably not going to work. I speak as a new page patroller here, but we tend to be quite forgiving about formatting errors and things like adherence to the Manual of Style. Such problems are easily fixed, and we don't mind such mistakes. Where we look really carefully is sourcing: is the article based on in-depth coverage in independent, reliable sources, and does the article accurately reflect what those sources say? New pages about fintech and saas companies are, in my experience, often rife with marketing slang, promotional language and written by editors with a conflict of interest. Sometimes that can be fixed by normal editing, and sometimes it can't as happened with your submission.
 * To be fair, there are very few featured or good articles about companies. For starters, only 0.09% of our article are "featured" and only 0.48% are "good". Most of the featured company articles are probably no longer up to our current standards, and none of them are about fintech or saas companies. I know of only one "good" article about a financial services company: UBS. To the best of my knowledge (based on a database search, I'm not making any of this up) there are no featuread articles about fintech or related companies. The article you propose to use as an example is particularly problematic, because it has contributions from a paid editor (and thus a conflict of interest), who tried to ensure neutrality by not editing the article directly. Please note that paid editing is strongly discouraged, and that undisclosed paid editing is not allowed. All the best, Mduvekot (talk) 20:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Need to know about notable, sufficient sources for Wikipedia Article that was not approved.
Hello everyone! I was an editor on Wikipedia years ago under another name. I've begun compiling sources for a company that I came across in the past, and they have a lot of published news sources online. However, I was notified that the sources don't provide the sufficient "notability" that is required. This company is the largest branch of one of the largest financial services institutions in the U.S. and has several high profile founders and members. Can someone help me get the appropriate citations? This is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Private_Advisor_Group. I appreciate any information. What kind of sources do I need? Should I take out some of the more detailed elements of the article so far?

HadsinTexas (talk) 20:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, this article explains what we're looking for. You say you edited under a different name "years ago". It looks to me as if your name change is from the day before yesterday, and your account was registered only two months ago. Can you clarify what your relationship with Private Advisor Group is besides "coming across them"? Mduvekot (talk) 21:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi . It looks like I may have a similar problem with the article that I'm creating. For me, it's even harder as many of the materials are in Chinese and it's hard to tell which sources are more reputable. Several things are easier with western material. Finding the resources is one of the hardest things because the best ones are often print-only and therefore hard to find. There are one or two artists that I would love to write an article about because they deserve it, but because I have no access to the various art magazines and art books, I know that I will likely have trouble tracking down good sources, and that's stopping me. To get back to what you wrote, the PR News item you list may be a press release that was actually created by the company your article is about. I haven't looked into it, though. Here is an example of what is probably seen as very good source, a newspaper article: http://www.seattletimes.com/business/redmond-adviser-caught-in-oregon-firms-financial-collapse/ (except that it does not seem to link to content that is in your article, so it could be good to use the information in that newspaper article). Nasdaq, in my view, can also be an example of a good source: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/private-advisor-group-llc-buys-hormel-foods-corp-ishares-core-sp-small-cap-ishares-core-cm787630 particularly if you want to substantiate some fact. Here is another one that may help: https://theolympiareport.com/2017/09/05/private-advisor-group-llc-has-6-20-million-stake-in-comcast-corporation-cmcsa.html and this one http://bangaloreweekly.com/2017-09-18-private-advisor-group-llc-takes-position-in-nisource-inc-ni/ or this one: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/continued-trend-advisors-moving-independence-140000478.html (You'll have to see what you can actually do with them.)

Angelina Souren (talk) 23:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

adding copyrighted pictures to commons (with permission)
Dear collective wisdom, I got an email from the trust of a photographer granting me permission to upload some of his images to Commons to illustrate an article (copy of the email bellow). How do I indicate this when uploading the image to Commons? I know creative commons is preferred, but there are definetely other examples of images that fall in this same category of copyrighted material uploaded with permission (I'm thinking specifically of Tarsila do Amaral's Abaporu in the Portuguese Commons).

"On behalf of The Carl Van Vechten Trust, I am pleased to grant you permission to include a Carl Van Vechten photograph of Ladybird Cleveland in a Wikimedia Commons as part of an article. I would only ask that the photograph be identified and being Photograph by Carl Van Vechten (c)Van Vechen Trust."
 * Permission must be released to use the photo for any purpose, not just for a Wikipedia article.  See WP:IOWNfor help on this.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:23, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Need to help setting alerts on an existing page
I hired a 3rd party company to develop a wikipedia page for a client. I would liket o take stewardship of the that page how do I handle that?Antrejony (talk) 01:19, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow, were you duped. You can't take "stewardship" of any Wikipedia page, please read Ownership of content.  Also, any paid editing of Wikipedia MUST be disclosed publicly by the Wikipedia terms-of-use (see Paid-contribution disclosure).  Wikipedia articles can, and will, be edited by others and any article created by or edited by paid editors are automatically put under a cloud of suspicion that taints the article.  About the worst thing one can do is pay someone to create a Wikipedia article for anyone.  -- Jayron 32 01:27, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia actually has strict restrictions on paid editing (click to read the relevant policy). Please make a declaration on your user page about your financial relationship with this client, and please also identify the Wikipedia article in question by its title so that we can better help you. You should also be aware that Wikipedia's articles do not "belong" to either the editors who worked on them or the subject of the article (click); your "stewardship" would be limited to suggesting (or opposing) changes to the article, since you have a conflict of interest (click) in regards to the article. Thank you in advance for complying with Wikipedia policies. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 01:34, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Realated to twinkle use
Hi, I recently started using Twinkle and when I edit any article or page with twinkle, It add that article/page in my wishlist. Can anyone tell me how to prevent that? – 1997  kB  07:00, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. I think the link WP:TWPREFS will take you to the page where you can change your Twinkle preferences, including when something is added to  your watchlist.  There is also a way to get there through the Preferences link in the upper right corner, but it's easier to explain the shortcut. 331dot (talk) 09:40, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I got you! Thanks for help. – 1997  kB  09:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Input on a new article I'm creating, please
I have written an article called San Eng, who is a Tim Cooke kind of person: here. I would love to get some comments on it before I submit it, please. Thanks. I may still do some fine-tuning, for instance, in case I spot typos.

Angelina Souren (talk) 19:20, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello I think you meant Tim Cook? Comparing San Eng to Tim Cook is a bit of stretch, no? Anyway, the first thing I noticed about you draft on San Eng is that your use of external links does not comply with our guideline because they are WP:LINKSPAM.  Mduvekot (talk) 20:57, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi thanks for your feedback. Can you explain to me how providing sources for things stated in the article can be spam? I checked the page you added, but I don't recognize anything in it that seems to apply. Is the problem that many links are in other languages? (Also, ehm, is this some sort of regular comment for every new article because I remember I got a similar comment the first time I created an article. Back then, it was not called spam but something else, but it boiled down to the same. The references were fine. I added more, and not even one was removed in the end. Is this some kind of deliberate deterrent to make sure the references are genuine?) And yes, I was very tired when I wrote my initial question so I rushed it.


 * (PS I'll work on the references. Two are actually on the company site, so those are not good, for starters.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelina Souren (talk • contribs)


 * Hello again . You ask a number of questions:
 * how [can] providing sources for things stated in the article can be spam?
 * You were not providing sources. You were linking to an external website. Say, for example, I write an article about someome, and I add a link to a reliable news website https://www.nytimes.com/ to reference some factual claim. That's not a proper reference, which look like this. This is a fairly common mistake and we fix it by converting an external link to a reference. Or maybe I want to link to the wikipedia article about The New York Times where readers can find more information about the company, and that is strongly encouraged. But what is not OK is to link to the website of the subject when there is no factual claim that needs verification, and the only purpose is to insert a link to the company website. That's promotion. If the company is notable, it may have its own Wikipedia article that I can link to. So I can say: "He owns example.com." or "He owns example.com. " but I not "He owns example.com", hoping that people will click on the link to buy something learn more about the company.
 * Is the problem that many links are in other languages
 * No, we have no problem with non-english sources. As a reader, I struggle to verify the sources on a page that is sourced exclusively in a language I don't speak, but no, the language does not affect verifiability per se. It may make me wonder why there are no English sources, and raise questions about the subject's notability.
 * is this some sort of regular comment for every new article?
 * No.


 * All the best, Mduvekot (talk) 11:22, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Editing
I registered and have tried to add a famous person who lived somewhere. Is not showing up on the page as added.Ljayson (talk) 19:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * This is he only edit you've made. Are you sure you saved the edit? RJFJR (talk) 19:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Which page are you trying to edit? RudolfRed (talk) 19:24, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I typed it into the edit box with citation and hit save. Trying to edit on Penn Yan,va town in NY State. I did not add the /*Editing*/ first or check off minor edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljayson (talk • contribs) 19:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Ljayson. It may be that when you clicked save, the resulting page asked you to fill out a captcha, or advised you had a "loss of session data" (especially common when there is significant lag time between when you clicked edit and the time you attempted to save) or something else. Regardless of the reason, your edit did not save. It's not uncommon not to notice that the resulting page did not say "your edit was saved", or contained some further step. Anyway, the person that you tried to add to the page, I assume at the section Penn Yan, New York: does Wikipedia have an article on them already? While we do allow red links in articles, when the person is clearly notable but does not yet have an article, and when their name comes up naturally in the course of writing an article, we generally do not include red links in such sections unless an article already exists. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:58, 22 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks all for your responses. Figured it out after realizing I did not click on edit at the top of the page. I was trying to put the info into the box for minor edits instead.Ljayson (talk) 14:30, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposing deletion for an article, should I do it?
This article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangley_Point_International_Airport, is not true. There is no construction ongoing in sangley point. There are also no reliable and verifiable sources to prove that this is true. Should I propose deletion? Itsquietuptown (talk) 10:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Itsquietuptown. If you feel that you've done a thorough search for possible sources, and found that there is not enough coverage about the subject to meet our notability guidelines, then it's perfectly appropriate to nominate the article for a deletion discussion by following the steps at WP:AFDHOW. However, keep in mind that the notability of a subject is based on the available sources everywhere, and not just on the sources present in an article, or the condition of the article as it stands. So be sure you have exhausted every obvious avenue for finding additional sources before nominating, to avoid unnecessarily using up the time of volunteers who participate in these discussions.  T J W  talk   10:52, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I only found news articles about proposals but not about the construction of Sangley Point International Airport. I think I could just make a new section about the proposals in the original article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danilo_Atienza_Air_Base, and then delete the old article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsquietuptown (talk • contribs) 13:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, Itsquietuptown... We also have to keep in mind that existence per se is mostly irrelevant for the purposes of Wikipedia. There are many things that exist, but don't have coverage in reliable sources enough to warrant an article. Conversely, there are many things that don't exist, or do not exist yet that do warrant an article, because they have received significant in-depth coverage.  T J W  talk   14:34, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, if you do write a section in Danilo Atienza Air Base, then rather than deleting Sangley Point International Airport it could just be redirected to Danilo Atienza Air Base so it isn't recreated. ~ GB fan 16:40, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm still confused. Should I still delete the article, make a redirect to Danilo Atienza Air Base, then make a new section on it? I haven't found any verifiable sources with proof that Sangley Point International Airport is in construction. Itsquietuptown (talk) 01:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You don't have to delete a page to create a redirect (WP:BLAR). So, if you are very that you could replace Sangley Point International Airport article with a section in the Danilo Atienza Air Base article then "Be bold" enough to do it. Of course don't forget to blank the page and redirect it to that section ;-) - - Kaartic correct me, if i'm wrong 17:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

What to do about rotten citations ?
The article's  List of companies section cites references that seems to have become obsolete. Obsolete in the sense that the reference has been retrieved some 2 years ago and the referenced document has been removed from the site. Speaking generally, most of the references in that section seem to be temporal references and cannot be valid for more than one year from the date it was published. I think such references should be removed but I wanted to be sure before doing that.

The references I was mentioning are,

Graduate_Aptitude_Test_in_Engineering

Graduate_Aptitude_Test_in_Engineering

- - Kaartic correct me, if i'm wrong 16:52, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . There is advice on this at WP:DEADREF, but in short, you shouldn't just remove dead references. Often, it is possible to find an archive copy of the source. If that does not work, you could search for an alternative source. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:55, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that 's advice is appropriate for ordinary WP:LINKROT situations, but I understand you to be asking about a somewhat different situation, where the cites went to pages that are essentially ephemeral and intended to be valid only for a specific period of time. In that situation, replacing the old cites with archived copies would be an inferior solution in comparison with finding replacement links that are not so inherently temporary, so that an interested reader could easily find the current information.


 * Importing the ephemeral list of companies into Wikipedia strikes me as a futile effort and I'd be very much in favor of deleting it from the article (until there are editors committed to updating it on a regular basis), based on an interpretation of WP:NOT.  &mdash; jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  18:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the welcome ! Incidentally I updated the section (partially) just now with alternative sources though I don't have any idea of doing that on a regular basis. That's because it seems to be pretty time consuming as the companies don't have any standard way/location to find this information. So, I've fixed the issue for now but as I said before I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be valid for a long time. I see quite a few possibilities,


 * 1. Remove the section now
 * 2. Keep the parts of the section that are up to date and remove parts of the section that aren't cited and have rotten citations
 * 3. Keep the section as it is for now and remove them completely when the updateed part becomes rotten again


 * I personally like option 2 because (i) it might help readers to some extent and (ii) I'm partly selfish and don't want to waste my effort ;-) That said, I won't feel too bad if option 1 was the best thing to do. - - Kaartic correct me, if i'm wrong 18:59, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buddhist_temples
I have stumbled across a page which seems to be a long list of Buddhist temples in the world. The text is on the left and photos of the temples are on the right. In between is a vast amount of space. I am wondering if I can volunteer to improve this page. I am thinking about a a table structure for the content but I need some tips as I am a new editor.JediOne (talk) 06:37, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia,, and thank you for your willingness to contribute! You don't need to "volunteer" to work on a page, you can just start editing it. But List of Buddhist temples looks pretty good already, to me. I assume you must have a hi-res screen – but many other readers won't, some will even be using smartphones. If you have suggestions for improving it, you could discuss them first on the article's talk page, and see what other editors think. Also, I should warn you, the way Wikipedia does tables is quite tricky, though it's a skill you'll probably need to learn if you plan to make many contributions here. Maproom (talk) 08:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello Maproom, I appreciate your comments and motivation. I am using a two year's old iMac. I would like to give it a try. I will to the talk page. Thank-you.JediOne (talk) 22:36, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Error on 1904 Summer Olympics medal table
The web page 1904_Summer_Olympics_medal_table has a section titled Medal Table. The table of countries has a line for the country of France. The line has 1 for Silver but the total is 0. The total line for Silver has 95. If the 1 for France is included, the total should be 96. Does this need to be corrected? 68.183.39.43 (talk) 23:01, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. According to the sources on Albert Corey, he was French and American. And the International Olympic Committee awarded his medal to the US. So according to the IOC, France didn't win any medals at the 1904 Summer Olympics. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:06, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Edits were made in July which were not supported by the reference given, so I have reverted them. Thank you for pointing out the error. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:11, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Want to write
I want to write an article, but i'm kinda bad at writing articles, bad at links, i don't know what to write about, and i just am really bad at making articles. Please Help!

Ilovemathtothe6power (talk) 00:19, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, i'm very bad at adding sources. PLEASE HELP!

Ilovemathtothe6power (talk) 00:24, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. I would first say that successfully writing an article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia.  People who dive right in to article creation often end up disappointed and discouraged. Those who become most successful at creating articles started small at first with making minor edits to existing articles(like correcting spelling), then moving up to more significant edits gradually until they were ready to tackle writing an article from scratch. This helps users learn what is being looked for and how to do it so that when they go to write an article it is much better received.
 * Since you say you are "bad" at certain aspects of editing, my suggestion would be to start small and make small needed changes to existing articles. You may also want to try the Wikipedia Adventure, a tutorial of sorts structured like a game, to help you learn and improve your skills.  If I were you I would hold off on creating articles until I felt better about my editing skills. 331dot (talk) 00:26, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank You So Much!

Ilovemathtothe6power (talk) 00:29, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Traffic Monitoring
I would like to be emailed or pinged when specific pages are edited, how do I set that up?Antrejony (talk) 01:48, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello again, . Please comply with Wikipedia's paid editing policy (click here to review it) by making a declaration on your user page regarding your relationship with your client. If you do not do so, you may be blocked from further editing and we will not be able to help you. — GrammarFascist   contribs talk 02:03, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm not in violation of the terms nor is anybody else. the page in question is properly cited and has been vetted. I want to make sure that it continues to be accurate. I have not made any changes to any pages. Please answer the question or leave me alone.Antrejony (talk) 02:28, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Why don't you tell us what page it is so that we can verify that the paid editor has followed the rules? Meters (talk) 02:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Greetings,, and welcome to the teahouse. The policy on paid editing has nothing to do with whether or not the article is properly cited or vetted. Without proper disclosure of your conflict of interest, you and your paid editor are indeed in violation, regardless of the state of the article itself. As stated in the policy, If you are being paid for your contributions to Wikipedia, you must declare who is paying you, who the client is, and any other relevant role or relationship. You may do this on your user page, on the talk page of affected articles, or in your edit summaries. The community expects paid editors to declare that they are being paid whenever they seek to influence an article's content. While it may appear to you that are not being paid to directly contribute to Wikipedia and are thus exempt from the policy, the fact is that you are being paid to influence Wikipedia's content, which you have done by hiring an editor to create an article for your client. I hope this helps; we are not trying to gang up on you, but it is in all of our best interests (including you, your client, and your paid editor) to ensure that editors with conflicts of interest are properly identified so that their contributions can be reviewed appropriately. Presumably you would want to know if anyone was being paid to add incorrect, libelous, or even merely misleading information to your client's article, correct?  C Thomas3   (talk) 04:38, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, please take note of Wikipedia's policy on ownership of content. No one has any right of ownership or editorial control over an article, even one you create or have commissioned. This means that others are free to edit its content, perhaps significantly over time. Article content is arrived at by consensus in accordance with Wikipedia's policies. If you aren't willing to allow your contributions to be edited extensively or be redistributed by others, please do not submit them. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 09:00, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * A high level of paranoia and hostility going on here. This does not make contributing to Wikipedia a positive experience (in addition to the various biases Wikipedia is aware of). This is in effect a power struggle, then. White males with a focus on certain areas in life trying to cling to their monopoly. Ugh. Angelina Souren (talk) 09:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with paranoia or hostility or power or a monopoly, but a clear example of paid editing with the user who started this section who has not yet complied with the paid editing policy, which is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use. It is best for everyone, including the paid editor, to comply with this important policy. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Bullshit. The person asked how he or she could keep track of any changes. No more, no less. As Wikipedia is extremely hard to understand, let alone edit, for lay persons, it is no surprise that some persons actually ask others to help with that and are willing to pay for it. If Wikipedia can somehow make the process easier, then such persons could submit their info or edits themselves. The way things are, most people have no one in their surroundings who is able to do it, also because it requires a range of skills (research skills, knowing how to formulate references which happens to come easier to scientists, writing skills and being able to write in the required style, the coding which is minor but very offputting to many - and all of that only happens after someone discovers what is behind any Wikipedia page whereas most people have no idea how Wikipedia works to begin with). Sorry, but I am out. I have had enough.Angelina Souren (talk) 09:58, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you feel that way. All that is needed is for the person to declare the relationship.  We cannot prevent anyone, nor is it outright prohibited, for someone to hire an editor, but they need to declare it. 331dot (talk) 10:02, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * : The person asked how he or she could keep track of any changes made by others. No more, no less. It could actually indicate the opposite of what you are saying. Instead of being helpful, most of what you and others do is sneer and attack, as a standard response. Angelina Souren (talk) 10:07, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you did not see the section above this one. I am not sneering at or attacking anyone.  You don't know what is in my mind so please assume good faith.  Better to inform people of proper polices and procedures now than when they get deeper into things and it becomes harder and more contentious.  If they don't declare, that is grounds for being blocked.  Then they can't edit at all and helping them is moot. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The only person I see sneering and attacking here is you. was welcomed to the Teahouse and, based on their unprompted declaration of having hired a paid Wikipedia editor on behalf of their client, politely informed about WP:PAID and asked to comply with that policy. They ignored the invitation to comply with the policy, and were warned more strongly. Nobody attacked them (though there was a bit of piling on). Also, FWIW, I am neither white nor male; please remember to WP:AGF. — GrammarFascist   contribs talk 11:42, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Antrejony - if you are registered as an editor, then the top menu will include Watchlist. Selecting articles there allows editors to be notified of changes to those articles. As everyone else has already SHOUTED at you, because you were honest enough to declare that your interests are for a client, you must comply with the paid editing policy. This is for transparency. This does not preclude you continuing to make edits. However, as others have stated, you may be blocked if you don't. And also, other editors can make changes to the article. And you have no authority to revert, i.e., reverse those changes as long as they are true and supported by valid citations. Welcome to Wikipedia World! David notMD (talk) 00:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, BTW the paid editor is company that does this many for many more renowned people including elon musk. They comply I'm sure of it. I couldn't tell you who the editors are don't know them. I just know the rep he doesn't do the editing Antrejony (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

What Should I Do With My List of Places Missing Infoboxes?
I've been correcting all of the incorrect infoboxes for places/cities etc, I have a list of all places missing them if its of any use to anyone

Some items in the list don't need them, but they stand out like sore thumbs

The list is only about ~100 items long, and lots of them are just missing the word "infobox"

It would greatly help me and all the other crawlers/databases if these articles conformed

If this is useless then just delete, thanks

[51039789] => Richland, Indiana [18812442] => Roman Catholic Diocese of Ipil [53925207] => Sainthal [45503552] => Salarzón [50961548] => Kelakam [40467065] => Khadagzai [53559240] => Khamr [42043862] => Khavaran, Tabriz [20893663] => Khawaspur [1515679] => Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) [41115228] => Kishor [1117691] => Kongens Lyngby [50873256] => Kothapeta [2581807] => Abbotts Ann [853555] => Absaroka (proposed state) [52714709] => Aceguá [39078657] => Agarpara [54702912] => Ak-Terek [51683795] => Aketi [50845945] => Al Ukhaydir [25569138] => Almanzora [50005581] => Alçalı [51896961] => Amsar [588265] => Ankleshwar [91364] => Appomattox County, Virginia [2705757] => Area code 246 [3319622] => Arrondissement of Avignon [3318925] => Arrondissement of Belley [1123646] => Arrondissement of Lens [3318714] => Arrondissement of Marmande [53918673] => Ayni, Tajikistan [52713142] => Babiyachaur [11641870] => March of the Nordgau [54241012] => Margaretha [94167] => Mayfair [50221798] => Milówka [28156054] => Mirzapur Niloni [54516484] => Mohamed Belouizdad [3443093] => Ugartsthal [54402515] => Vadia [31854328] => Vahelna [28361005] => Veerakodi Vellalar [52304397] => Vengara [393353] => Victoria, Hong Kong [25006389] => Byzantium under the Constantinian and Valentinian dynasties [6750502] => Castelfranco di Sopra [52303137] => Chengamanad [52303140] => Chengamanadu [236094] => Cochinchina [124713] => Coldwater, Mississippi [6202913] => Crimonmogate [6551301] => Cunevo [31034631] => Darauli (Vidhan Sabha constituency) [19035145] => Dheri [11412734] => Domail [39417173] => Durhama [52540350] => East Sister Island [37403] => Eastern Europe [53570106] => Eaton, Cheshire West and Chester [51296216] => Eminabad [35104748] => Fitzroy Iron Works [6551430] => Flavon [1280004] => Fort Garry (electoral district) [17759368] => Frankfurt Constitution [95388] => Frisia [20647330] => Gangare [54810852] => Garrett, Kentucky [52294173] => Naduvattom [54456959] => Neo Souli [673381] => New York [14997283] => Newbold, Philadelphia [91274] => Northumberland County, Virginia [635362] => Obertauern [4143391] => Offinso Municipal District [49817980] => Olya [25429896] => Onayena Constituency [994149] => Ostmark (Austria) [7796805] => Hilsa, Bihar [34940487] => History of Grant County, Kansas [5807102] => History of the Philippines (1898–1946) [9288882] => Holy city [62142] => Horn of Africa [50061341] => Hundred of Bagot [379932] => Hévíz Spa [53698464] => Iglino [52772842] => Imeni Voroshilova [6551530] => Ivano-Fracena [37018410] => Janapada [241977] => Jefferson (proposed Pacific state) [42612186] => Jowane Masowe Chishanu [9908550] => Junagarh, Kalahandi [21143407] => Kadmat Island [3737427] => Gorkhaland [50660832] => Groenvlei [37232505] => Gwalior inscription of Mihirakula [3483001] => Halton Region Museum [107191] => Harrisburg, Arkansas [93297] => Henderson County, North Carolina [54626034] => San Pelayo [6255346] => Sharaqpur [5809449] => Shohratgarh [54975597] => Siek [42056380] => Wooster Lake [99221] => World government [53632773] => Woughton [40981147] => Württemberg [54293554] => Yantarny [53271532] => Yokneam [47025369] => List of Ottoman governors of Baghdad [45223701] => Little Grove, Western Australia [52535192] => Macha, Russia [9165935] => Magennis [13172038] => Mainar [33201167] => Majeerteen Sultanate [5800930] => Mancherial [4281261] => Tamilakam [52304337] => Thayannur [39436935] => Tigri Area [69128] => Tonkin [37223878] => Chanderi Inscription of ‘Alā' al-Dīn Khaljī [7451448] => Marble Mountains (Vietnam) [6705968] => Suisio [39700421] => Sympoliteia [53850450] => Sârbi [2127184] => Trans-Karakoram Tract [3694736] => Baddi [40684169] => Baden [55072808] => Bahuara [5598313] => Banatsko Veliko Selo [1120754] => Banu Qasi [52676529] => Barneveld [49847769] => Bastipur [8636030] => Bennett, North Carolina [51241126] => Bentheim [1354215] => Bhind [52719004] => Biendorf [20948269] => Bohai Economic Rim [52667960] => Borynia [16270506] => Pathirippala [2151363] => Patil [26396473] => Pheta [52175984] => Pidhiria [26470094] => Pinangwan [93259] => Polk County, North Carolina [2491879] => Pratapgarh, Uttar Pradesh [1457500] => Province of Catania

JackJones1234 (talk) 04:15, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi JackJones1234, welcome to the Teahouse. I made a wikilinked version below. Many of them are disambiguation pages and shouldn't have infoboxes. Some of the others do have infoboxes or don't need it or are not about places but some could have their talk page placed in Category:Wikipedia articles with an infobox request. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:25, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * [51039789] => Richland, Indiana (disambiguation)
 * [18812442] => Roman Catholic Diocese of Ipil
 * [53925207] => Sainthal (disambiguation)
 * [45503552] => Salarzón
 * [50961548] => Kelakam (disambiguation)
 * [40467065] => Khadagzai
 * [53559240] => Khamr
 * [42043862] => Khavaran, Tabriz
 * [20893663] => Khawaspur
 * [1515679] => Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy)
 * [41115228] => Kishor
 * [1117691] => Kongens Lyngby
 * [50873256] => Kothapeta (disambiguation)
 * [2581807] => Abbotts Ann
 * [853555] => Absaroka (proposed state)
 * [52714709] => Aceguá (disambiguation)
 * [39078657] => Agarpara
 * [54702912] => Ak-Terek (disambiguation)
 * [51683795] => Aketi (disambiguation)
 * [50845945] => Al Ukhaydir (disambiguation)
 * [25569138] => Almanzora
 * [50005581] => Alçalı (disambiguation)
 * [51896961] => Amsar
 * [588265] => Ankleshwar
 * [91364] => Appomattox County, Virginia
 * [2705757] => Area code 246
 * [3319622] => Arrondissement of Avignon
 * [3318925] => Arrondissement of Belley
 * [1123646] => Arrondissement of Lens
 * [3318714] => Arrondissement of Marmande
 * [53918673] => Ayni, Tajikistan (disambiguation)
 * [52713142] => Babiyachaur (disambiguation)
 * [11641870] => March of the Nordgau
 * [54241012] => Margaretha
 * [94167] => Mayfair
 * [50221798] => Milówka (disambiguation)
 * [28156054] => Mirzapur Niloni
 * [54516484] => Mohamed Belouizdad
 * [3443093] => Ugartsthal
 * [54402515] => Vadia (disambiguation)
 * [31854328] => Vahelna
 * [28361005] => Veerakodi Vellalar
 * [52304397] => Vengara (disambiguation)
 * [393353] => Victoria, Hong Kong
 * [25006389] => Byzantium under the Constantinian and Valentinian dynasties
 * [6750502] => Castelfranco di Sopra
 * [52303137] => Chengamanad (disambiguation)
 * [52303140] => Chengamanadu (disambiguation)
 * [236094] => Cochinchina
 * [124713] => Coldwater, Mississippi
 * [6202913] => Crimonmogate
 * [6551301] => Cunevo
 * [31034631] => Darauli (Vidhan Sabha constituency)
 * [19035145] => Dheri
 * [11412734] => Domail
 * [39417173] => Durhama
 * [52540350] => East Sister Island (disambiguation)
 * [37403] => Eastern Europe
 * [53570106] => Eaton, Cheshire West and Chester
 * [51296216] => Eminabad
 * [35104748] => Fitzroy Iron Works
 * [6551430] => Flavon
 * [1280004] => Fort Garry (electoral district)
 * [17759368] => Frankfurt Constitution
 * [95388] => Frisia
 * [20647330] => Gangare
 * [54810852] => Garrett, Kentucky (disambiguation)
 * [52294173] => Naduvattom (disambiguation)
 * [54456959] => Neo Souli (disambiguation)
 * [673381] => New York (disambiguation)
 * [14997283] => Newbold, Philadelphia
 * [91274] => Northumberland County, Virginia
 * [635362] => Obertauern
 * [4143391] => Offinso Municipal District
 * [49817980] => Olya (disambiguation)
 * [25429896] => Onayena Constituency
 * [994149] => Ostmark (Austria)
 * [7796805] => Hilsa, Bihar
 * [34940487] => History of Grant County, Kansas
 * [5807102] => History of the Philippines (1898–1946)
 * [9288882] => Holy city
 * [62142] => Horn of Africa
 * [50061341] => Hundred of Bagot (disambiguation)
 * [379932] => Hévíz Spa
 * [53698464] => Iglino
 * [52772842] => Imeni Voroshilova (disambiguation)
 * [6551530] => Ivano-Fracena
 * [37018410] => Janapada
 * [241977] => Jefferson (proposed Pacific state)
 * [42612186] => Jowane Masowe Chishanu
 * [9908550] => Junagarh, Kalahandi
 * [21143407] => Kadmat Island
 * [3737427] => Gorkhaland
 * [50660832] => Groenvlei (disambiguation)
 * [37232505] => Gwalior inscription of Mihirakula
 * [3483001] => Halton Region Museum
 * [107191] => Harrisburg, Arkansas
 * [93297] => Henderson County, North Carolina
 * [54626034] => San Pelayo (disambiguation)
 * [6255346] => Sharaqpur
 * [5809449] => Shohratgarh
 * [54975597] => Siek
 * [42056380] => Wooster Lake
 * [99221] => World government
 * [53632773] => Woughton
 * [40981147] => Württemberg
 * [54293554] => Yantarny
 * [53271532] => Yokneam (disambiguation)
 * [47025369] => List of Ottoman governors of Baghdad
 * [45223701] => Little Grove, Western Australia
 * [52535192] => Macha, Russia
 * [9165935] => Magennis
 * [13172038] => Mainar
 * [33201167] => Majeerteen Sultanate
 * [5800930] => Mancherial
 * [4281261] => Tamilakam
 * [52304337] => Thayannur (disambiguation)
 * [39436935] => Tigri Area
 * [69128] => Tonkin
 * [37223878] => Chanderi Inscription of ‘Alā' al-Dīn Khaljī
 * [7451448] => Marble Mountains (Vietnam)
 * [6705968] => Suisio
 * [39700421] => Sympoliteia
 * [53850450] => Sârbi (disambiguation)
 * [2127184] => Trans-Karakoram Tract
 * [3694736] => Baddi
 * [40684169] => Baden
 * [55072808] => Bahuara (disambiguation)
 * [5598313] => Banatsko Veliko Selo
 * [1120754] => Banu Qasi
 * [52676529] => Barneveld (disambiguation)
 * [49847769] => Bastipur (disambiguation)
 * [8636030] => Bennett, North Carolina
 * [51241126] => Bentheim (disambiguation)
 * [1354215] => Bhind
 * [52719004] => Biendorf (disambiguation)
 * [20948269] => Bohai Economic Rim
 * [52667960] => Borynia
 * [16270506] => Pathirippala
 * [2151363] => Patil
 * [26396473] => Pheta
 * [52175984] => Pidhiria (disambiguation)
 * [26470094] => Pinangwan
 * [93259] => Polk County, North Carolina
 * [2491879] => Pratapgarh, Uttar Pradesh
 * [1457500] => Province of Catania


 * When you say lots of them are just missing the word "infobox", are you referring to cases like [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arrondissement_of_Belley&diff=802122916&oldid=791449892]? French arrondissement is a redirect to infobox French arrondissement so the addition of "infobox" makes no change on the rendered page. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:39, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

How and From where can I use an Award Label ?
I would like to know, How and From where can I use an Award Label (Likewise: Thank you for creating this Article/Thank you form Grammar Correction etc.)? --- Willy-nilly (talk) 11:53, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think what you're looking for is what we call Wikilove. To use this site feature, go to the talk page of the user you wish to thank, and click on the heart icon (at the top right of the page, between the "View history" tab and the star for adding the page to your watchlist). This will open a dialogue box giving you different thanking options, from barnstars like the Copyeditor's barnstar to custom messages you choose your own image for. It would be a good idea to include in your message a link to the specific article you're thanking the editor for, if applicable; to do this, enclose the article title in double square brackets. For example, to link to the article Gratitude, you would type . Thank you for wanting to express your gratitude to other editors! Doing so is never required, but always nice. — GrammarFascist   contribs talk 12:19, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks dear GrammarFascist, your given answer was truly of my requirement. Yes, I would like to appreciate others. It is not necessary in Law but in attitude. If we encourage others, that means, they will understand that, their works are really valuable to some others. I think it will en-reach their inherent spirit to work forward for such a non-profit, volunteer program. --- Willy-nilly (talk) 11:25, 24 September 2017 (UTC)