Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 697

how i start
how i start103.217.117.244 (talk) 12:32, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure if there is something specific that you want to start, but in general if you want to learn more about using and editing Wikipedia, a good place to begin is the introduction, located at Introduction.  Another good thing to do is to use the tutorial that is available at WP:ADVENTURE which is a good way to learn about editing Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 12:37, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Biography of Mario McPherson Electronic Music producer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justncase72 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * OK. Successfully creating an article is probably one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia.  It takes time, practice, and effort.  New users who dive right in to article creation often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings as their article is mercilessly edited and criticized by others, even deleted.  I don't want that to happen to you.  The users who are most successful at creating articles did so after taking the time to both learn how Wikipedia works and making small edits to existing articles to learn the ropes of Wikipedia. I would suggest that before you attempt to create an article, you view the pages I linked to above and find some existing articles that may need some minor changes to that you could make, to let you practice your editing skills and learn how articles are supposed to be structured.  Then you should read Your First Article at WP:YFA to learn the best way to start in article creation, and then start creating the article by visiting Articles for Creation which is a way for you to submit a draft for review before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia.
 * I don't know who this person is that you want to write about, but you will need to make sure that they have independent reliable sources)WP:RS) that show how they meet the notability guidelines for musicians at WP:BAND. These sources must not be written by this person or their businesses, must not be selling their music, and must describe this person with in depth coverage and not be a mere mention or press release.  If you don't have such sources, an article about this person will not be accepted. 331dot (talk) 11:42, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place for biographies. Regards, CoolSkittle

Cannot save preferences
Hello, I haven't used the site for several weeks because I've been recovering from a road accident. I just wanted to alter a couple of preferences but the ability to save the changes has been removed. Any idea why that should be? Thank you. CravinChillies (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi CravinChillies, welcome to the Teahouse. Special:Preferences has been redesigned and the "Save" button at the bottom is greyed out until one of the preferences is changed and it turns blue. Does it remain greyed out for you after changes are made or what goes wrong? Which preference are you changing? What is your browser? What is your skin at Special:Preferences? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:14, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, PrimeHunter. It was staying grey when I altered the "how described" from gender neutral to she. I changed my password and restored defaults, which meant I lost my signature as I didn't think to copy it! Anyway, I then tried a watchlist preference change and the save button blued, so I could save that. It seems to be working okay at the moment. I'm trying to restore my password but I'm right out of practice (weeks in hospital). Thanks very much for your help. Merry Christmas.  Cravin Chillies  19:26, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You appear to have discovered a bug. All other preferences I have tested turn the Save button blue, but if "How do you prefer to be described?" is the only change then it also remains greyed out for me (Vector skin, Firefox 57.0.1 on Windows 10). I will examine it further later and report it. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, I am an IT pro so it all finally came to some use! Good luck.  Cravin Chillies  19:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Matma Rex fixed T180643: Altering radios doesn't make “Save” action available. It seems there is either a regression or the fix doesn't always work for this particular set of radio buttons. The whole preference redesign may be rolled back so I don't know whether the issue is about to become moot. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I tested it and it was the same for me on Chrome, but if I unchecked another box then changed it back, it worked. Not a fix per se but a workaround.  A lad insane  talk 21:48, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The preference redesign has been rolled back so the bug is gone for now. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Article dispute
Where's the article dispute page because i have authentic information on Little Caesars Arena seating capacity with two sources with links? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MechaCobre12 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The first place you should discuss this content dispute is Talk:Little Caesars Arena. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  15:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

helper I'd like to add a subdivision to a new wiki page . And would like feedback
I want to add details as to what hyperides specifically said in the prosecution trial about Philippides that is stated in the papyrus. I already started up the page Philippides (prosecuted by hypereides) but it's still being reviewed.Researchdata99 (talk) 19:51, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I started up a page about ancientgreek Philippides being prosecuted by Hypereides. I'd like to add another part that lists the quotes of what hypereides said about Philippides during the trial. This is in the ancient papyrus .The article is still being reviewed. Can you help me out without changing what I added?Researchdata99 (talk) 19:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * To add a subdivision you should write something like ==New division== . You can find details in Help:Section. Ruslik_ Zero 20:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Your draft would be easier to understand if it stated Philippides's nationality. I'm guessing that he was Athenian, but the draft doesn't say. Maproom (talk) 21:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

How do I get this information accepted?
What do I need to do in order to get this information accepted into Wikipedia:

“Berman Corner”

A printed document (a business card, a handout, a magazine,…), after being printed gets a tiny 45-degree cut of paper trimmed from one of its four corners. The cut is not large enough to get in the way of the printed message, but large enough that a person who can’t see can notice that one of the corners is intentionally chopped. This tactile clue is a signal that, within 3.5 inches of that corner there is a scannable code, such as a QR code. The person then uses any barcode scanning app on their smartphone (e.g. Google Goggles) to scan the code (if they don’t find one on one side of the paper, they try the other side). The code then identifies the document, contains all the document information, and/or takes them to the accessible equivalent online (perhaps a PDF or a Web page).

The cut corner is a very inexpensive approach: scissors can be used for a single document, while commercial printers can very inexpensively shave a corner on a print job upon request (we’d like to think that commercial printers will even embrace providing such an accommodation at no charge.)

Meanwhile, QR codes cost nothing to create: there are many free online tools for making them.

This was all the result of design research (led by Khadija Safri) that included studying other attempts by public and private sector organizations to put indicators on documents (identity cards, hotel electronic room keys), and testing various prototypes with people who are blind. 2607:FEA8:C3A0:6D4:1596:6F0B:1592:153E (talk) 21:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * it's already on Wikipedia, see David Berman (graphic designer) but it needs improved citations. Nthep (talk) 22:13, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi anonymous IP, and welcome to the Teahouse. ( I wonder if you are, or have some connection with that user, or with the subject, but only to establish whether you have a WP:conflict of interest. ) :I think you might have to wait until David Berman's suggestion has been written about elsewhere before you can create a Wikipedia article, but if you can find independent WP:Reliable sources where the suggestion has been evaluated, then we can help you to create an article.    D b f i r s   22:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Where should this question go?
How do you make an article directly from a new account, without redirecting to WP:New user landing page? 83.31.46.184 (talk) 19:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, you just type your title in the searchbox and then click "Create article" or whatever it says. But you can't do that as an IP editor. Drmies (talk) 19:30, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, it's a good idea to not vandalize. Drmies (talk) 19:31, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Hello IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. IP users are not permitted to directly create articles, and currently new users must be autoconfirmed in order to create articles(see WP:ACTRIAL). Until then, the only way you can create an articles is through using the article wizard or Draft space. 331dot (talk) 19:33, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * But in my view, only very experienced editors should ever try creating an article without going through draft space. Please see your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 00:23, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Signature?
Is there any way to save my signature so on talk pages the auto signature matches the one below?  M o s  s  B  o    s s 2  5  4  talk
 * No, there is no way permitted by Signatures. A signature can only be 255 characters and color changes require too much code. Signatures recommends spans with CSS which uses even more code than your font tags, e.g. replacing  with  . PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , I might add that custom signatures are required to be compliant with WP:ACCESS, our guideline on editing with respect towards editors and readers with various physical challenges. I'm not extremely vision-impared, but I am having a difficult time parsing your signature. For a person with certain varieties of color blindness, it would be completely impossible. John from Idegon (talk) 01:40, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

There is no one verify and reply on my wiki so far.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Koh_Kradan Ravitpong (talk) 14:15, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. You have not yet submitted Draft:Koh Kradan for review.  I have added a template which gives you a "submit" button to allow you to submit it when you think it is ready for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:22, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

If you think the draft is ready then you may submit it to Wikipedia by creating a mainspace page, using the "create source" button. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_create_a_page Egaoblai (talk) 03:12, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Biased Nature of the Inequality in Hollywood Page
I've been editing articles for the Wiki-links tag, and I came across https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inequality_in_Hollywood this. It reads to me like something that belongs in a high school rhetoric class and, in its current state, doesn't work as an encyclopedia entry. I've tagged it as such for the time being for multiple issues. Thoughts? TheTechnician27 (talk) 02:54, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . A quick review of the edit history of this article shows that it was written as part of a university assignment at Kent State University two years ago. The student editor who wrote most of the content has not edited Wikipedia again since the class ended. The edits since then have amounted to minor maintenance. I encourage you to rewrite and improve the article as you see fit. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  04:21, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Need Proofread
Hi, I am new to Wikipedia. After reading various articles, I have submitted an article to my company. Can anyone help with proofreading and let me know if everything's all right. Saurav.webkul (talk) 06:55, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Saurav.webkul. Thanks for editing Wikipedia. We welcome newcomers and are here to help. I took a quick look at your sandbox and it seems like it might be worthy of an article. I'd suggest you read WP:NOTE, WP:COI, WP:MOS, and WP:YFA. Benjamin (talk) 08:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for proofread. Is there any area of improvement which you can recommend me by seeing the article so that it gets approved.

Saurav.webkul (talk) 08:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This must be about User:Saurav.webkul/sandbox. It has no lead section. It should not be written in the first or second person: "We follow open communication" and "It allows you to integrate Joomla with Opencart" are unacceptable. It refers to "the small town boys" without explaining who they were – Wikipedia should refer to people by name rather than using epithets. Overall, it reads too much like an advertisement, in particular the whole "Featured Products" section should probably be deleted. Many of the references are to sources not independent of the subject. Maproom (talk) 08:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome, . If you are writing about your employer, then it is mandatory to declare this, as explained at Paid-contribution disclosure. Please also review Conflict of interest. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:59, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * See also Articles for deletion/Webkul. Concerns raised there will need to be fully addressed if there is to be an article. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, Thank you for your suggestions. Can you again have a look at my article as I have added paid contribution template? Also regarding the last link which you shared, what precautions I can take now or what should be my next step so that this article of mine gets approved as everything os genuine.

Saurav.webkul (talk) 10:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello,

Might be someone has posted article previously on behalf of a company and was deleted because it was too promotional, Now I have again written the article on behalf of that company, can you let me know if my current article is good to go or because of the previous deletion, it can affect my current article also.

Saurav.webkul (talk) 04:58, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * As just one example of unacceptable content, the entire section Draft:Webkul is blatant promotional hype, and entirely unsourced. It is that sort of inability to write from a neutral point of view which explains why Wikipedia discourages editing by those with a conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I think the draft looks fine for now, as you have sourced it well and the sources are notable. The only problem I can see is the "culture" section which has no references. By the way, you don't need to submit the article for review, you can create it typing in the name of the page in the wikipedia URL and then going to "create source" and copying and pasting the text from the draft in. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_create_a_page Though be reminded that this method does not mean your page is safe, it could still be submitted for deletion. Egaoblai (talk) 02:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello,

Thaks for letting me know about the content that is not unacceptable. I have removed culture section from my article, I guess everything is good now. However my major question still remains same as someone previously posted an article on same company and it got deleted due to promotional content, does it affects my current article which is on the same company. Saurav.webkul (talk) 05:01, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun
See i m from the team of page Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun. i want to inform everyone that i have created one wikipedia page of my movie actor Shahab Khan who is bollywood films and serials famous personality. So i request u that please don't delete that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun (talk • contribs)


 * , please understand that promotion of any kind is not permitted on Wikipedia. An article on Shahab Khan (or indeed on Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun) will be accepted only if it is mostly based on what people who have no connection with him have published about him in reliable places. Wikipedia is not interested in what he or his friends, employers, or associates say about him, and it is not interested in unreferenced information that may have come from anywhere. The speedy deletion, as is explained in the notice and on your talk page, is on the basis that the article does not provide any direct evidence that anybody independent has chosen to write about him, or any other reason to think that Wikipedia should have an article about him (as opposed to thousands and thousands of other actors). The notice tells you how to contest the speedy deletion, but you need to do this by showing why it meets Wikipedia's critera, not just by saying that he is a Bollywood actor. Making a request here has no effect (other than getting a reply like mine).
 * Also, if you are part of the team of that film, then you are discouraged from be editing an article about it or its stars, and you should declare your conflict of interest in doing so. If you are in any way paid (eg it is part of your job) to do so, then you must declare this fact, or you are in breach of the terms of service of Wikipedia. Also, I suspect your user name is in breach of our policies: while there is no requirement to use your real name for your account (I do, but many people do not), accounts should be personal and may not have names which suggest that they represent an organisation.
 * Did you read your first article before you started? If not, I suggest you do so now. --ColinFine (talk) 12:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

ColinFine (talk) 12:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC) Hello ColinFine sir i m the son of bollywood actor Shahab Khan he is my father and he is bollywood actor who has worked in many films and serials. He is famous personality of Film Industry. So please allow us. I hope u will. Thanks


 * Hello, . In that case you certainly have a conflict of interest, and need to read carefully the link I gave you to that subject. You are not forbidden from writing an article on him but it is discouraged, and you should certainly use the articles for creation process to create a draft that you can submit for review before it goes into mainspace.
 * I have moved your current draft to Draft:Shahab Khan, so that you can work on it without it getting deleted; but I'm not sure it wouldn't be better to start again.
 * Some of the steps you need to go through (this is all summarised in your first article):
 * find at least two or three places where people who have no connection with your father - not relatives, friends, associates, employers - have written in-depth material about him, and have it published in reliable sources (with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking). No social media, no blogs, forums, or wikis, not iMDB (which is largely written by fans). No fansites, nothing based on an interview or a press release. Ideally it would be major newspapers or magazines, or books from reputable publishers. They don't have to be online, and they don't have to be in English, though English sources are preferred if they are available.
 * If you cannot find at least two such sources, then give up: he is not currently notable, as Wikipedia uses the term.
 * If you can find two or three sources, then forget everything you know about Khan, and write an article based solely on what those sources say about him (but in your own words: do not plagiarise them). Cite everything to the source it comes from. (See referencing for beginners for the mechanics of how to do this.
 * When you have created an article from those sources, you can judiciously add some uncontroversial factual information, such as dates and places, from non-independent sources, such as his own or the studio's website. Everything in the article should have been published somewhere, however.
 * Worry about details like the infobox and photo after the important stuff like citation and neutral wording.
 * When you think that it is ready to be reviewed, and meets all the requirements of notability and sourcing. submit it for review by picking the Submit button.
 * --ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I don’t want a draft. My father Shahab Khan is a bollywood film actor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun (talk • contribs) 17:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if your father is the President of India. You need to follow the advice given to you in this section. 331dot (talk) 18:02, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Sir please remove that draft. I request you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun (talk • contribs) 18:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Since you are requesting that the draft be deleted, I have tagged it as such. You may still need to declare a conflict of interest and/or paid editing relationship. 331dot (talk) 18:11, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Please sir i beg you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majaz- Ae Gham-e-Dil Kya Karun (talk • contribs) 18:30, 2 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Looking at the draft, it seems to be an alright page so far. I would like to clarify with the Editors, according to WP:ENT notability for actors is "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions:", To me it looks like this page passes this. Can I get some clarification here? Egaoblai (talk) 02:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * There is nothing to indicate that any of his roles are significant, let alone several of them, and there are no sources to support almost any of the claims in the article. There is only one independent source, and that is just a trivial mention of his name. --bonadea contributions talk 05:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

URGENT HELP NEEDED
hello how are you today will you be my frined please im desperate and i can bake good cookies72.93.89.98 (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, anonymous IP. We like cookies, too, though our purpose here is solely to answer questions about editing Wikipedia. You don't appear to have made any edits recently, so its hard to know how we might assist you. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:50, 5 December 2017 (UTC)



How can I upload a picture from the internet onto my wikipedia article?
I have a picture which I downloaded from the internet of a book cover, which I intend to use. But it says on my talk page unspecified source for the picture, when I uploaded it. So can you help? ShyPinkLolly (talk) 14:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello?

ShyPinkLolly (talk) 14:26, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please be patient in waiting for a reply; we are all volunteers here and there are not people waiting to answer questions 24/7.  My knowledge of image uploading is limited and I am not confident enough in an answer to give you one, but I am sure someone will eventually do so. 331dot (talk) 14:28, 2 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh right, sorry, I didn't know, it is just because I am quite happy with my new article and I want it to stay like that before someone edits it and takes the picture away. But thanks anyway.

ShyPinkLolly (talk) 14:33, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The image of a book cover that you uploaded is scheduled to be deleted in a few days unless you correct the problems with it. Please start by reading our policy on the use of non-free images, which has complete details of what you need to do. Yes, a low resolution image of a book cover can be used in an article about that book, but it must be accompanied by an acceptable fair use rationale, which you have not yet done. I also recommend that you read our notabilty guideline for books. I do not believe that the references now in your articles are sufficient to establish the notabilty of these children's books. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  18:10, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The articles in question are Murder Most Unladylike and Arsenic For Tea, both of which are referenced almost completely to the author's own website. The best way to establish the notability of a new book is to include references to professional reviews of the books in respected publications. Cullen<sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  18:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Wikipedia is very careful about copyright, and if there is ever a suspicion that material anywhere in it is violating somebody's copyright, it will be deleted as soon as possible. Most pictures you find on the internet do belong to somebody, and cannot be uploaded except in special circumstances. The most common circumstance is that the copyright owner has explicitly released the image under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which is compatible with Wikipedia's purposes: such a licence permits anybody to reuse the image for any purpose, commercial or not, as long as they attribute it.
 * Understandably, the owners of many images (especially covers and logos) are not usually willing to release the artwork in this way. There is a way of using copyright material in Wikipedia, but its use must meet all the criteria in the non-free copyright criteria, and the uploader must specifically justify that these are all being met. (I forget exactly how you do that, but there is a template you can use. Normally when you upload copyright material it asks you, and when you say yes, it is copyright, it will ask you the right questions. In this case you will have to look at how you're using the image, and make sure it does meet all the criteria, and then edit the image description page. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 2 December 2017 (UTC)


 * How can I find who made the picture and who it belongs to? I uploaded it from Google Images, will it say that? Sorry for all these questions.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ShyPinkLolly (talk) 09:24, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Do not apologize for asking questions, that is what the Teahouse is for.
 * If you cannot find who made the picture or, more accurately, who retains the copyrights to it and for how long (which is indeed not an easy task) you must assume the image is copyrighted and therefore can only be used at Wikipedia under the exemptions (see WP:NFCI, already linked above). This is not going to be Google Images (it shows you excerpts of other websites).
 * In the case of cover art for books published in 2014 and 2015, however, I would not even bother digging for the copyright status. It is practically certain that the editing house will retain copyright for as long as permissible. The exact length of time before such cover art falls into public domain depends on a lot of complex factors (country of publication, year of publication, copyright notice etc.) but it is always multiple decades after publication or author's death.
 * The fact that there are copyright violations everywhere on the internet, and in particular that you could find the picture on Google Images from another site than the editing house's, does not make it allowable to violate copyright on Wikipedia. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 13:37, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

user linking between wikis?
~ Hi. Can I automatically have a user account and pages linked between wikis? I have an en account but would like a de account also. Rolmops23 (talk) 12:25, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * You do have a de account, and others, see WP:Unified login. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Realised after asking. Thanks. Rolmops23 (talk) 15:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The code  on User:Rolmops23 will create a link to your German account de:Benutzer:Rolmops23 under "Languages" in the left pane. Similarly,   on your German account will create a link to the English account. See more at Help:Interlanguage links. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Have working links now. Thanks.Rolmops23 (talk) 15:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * , if you want to do this automatically on all Wikis, see: meta:Global user pages – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:22, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * That's interesting, although the de user pages are now made. Maybe another time. Thanks. Rolmops23 (talk) 15:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Not able
Greetings,

1. How do you measure Notability? 2. Your "Ask Question" Javascript is kinda broken on Firefox and Chrome

Regards,

Flintiii Flintiii (talk) 16:38, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As for notability, you can read about it in general at WP:N. Many subject areas have specific guidelines, such as WP:BAND for music. In general, though, a subject is notable if it gets significant coverage in multiple sources that are independent of the subject. 331dot (talk) 16:43, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The draft about your software Draft:VisualBash has 4 references two are to your own website, one is a blog with an error message, the other is to Github, which says "VisualBash is a modest and seriously tongue-in-cheek bash programmiung framework." none of these even begin to establish notability I'm afraid. Theroadislong (talk) 16:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if you just want to tell the world about your software, you will need to find another forum. Wikipedia is only for subjects that have been discussed in third party sources. Sorry. 331dot (talk) 16:57, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * One way to look at it,, is that Wikipedia has essentially no interest at all in what a subject has written about themselves, or what their friends, relatives, employers, employees, or associates have written about them. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with a subject have chosen to publish about the subject, in a reliable place (that is, one with a reputation for editorial oversight and fact-checking). "Notability" means that somebody unconnected with the subject has taken note of it enough to have published in-depth material about it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

different results between read and edit source?
Hi, an entire section of my draft has disappeared. "Art and Business Career" has vanished. Part of it has been added to "Early Life", mid-sentence. When I view "edit source", it's all still there in the correct place. Only under "read" does it disappear. if I need to combine or edit the two sections, I can do that, but I don't understand why it "reads" one way and "edit source" shows another. Many thanks for any help!

UnlikelySailor (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi . I've just fixed it for you. You need to close your re-used ref tags with a, like this  , or it will treat all the subsequent text as part of the reference. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Social
How do you ping other editors and how do you properly comment on talk pages?Weebeecool (talk) 20:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Advice and guidelines in using talk pages can be found at the page this link goes to.  There are several ways to ping editors, you may notice I pinged you with this message by typing  at the beginning.  You can also type  or simply link to the target person's userpage with Username here.


 * I note that you titled this section "social"; Wikipedia is not social media, our purpose in being here is to work on this encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

article problems
Hi. I have recently submitted my article and they said that I need footnotes,I recently added footnote and resubmit and Its still swing I need footnotes. Can you help?(XploJan(Musician) (talk) 20:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC))
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that the page you are writing is about yourself- this is highly discouraged, as people naturally write favorably about themselves(though you are proceeding correctly in writing a draft first).  It would be much better if you allowed others to write about you- assuming that you meet the notability guidelines for musicians listed at WP:BAND.  Do you understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not social media for users to just write about themselves?  As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia wants articles that indicate how the subject is notable with in depth coverage independent reliable sources, that is, sources written by third parties. Your draft seems to have one source, it is a book but based on what it seems to be citing, it doesn't indicate how you meet at least one of the guidelines listed at WP:BAND.
 * I'll be honest that I highly doubt you meet the notability guidelines based on what you have written. If you have read them and do meet at least one guideline, and can show that with proper sources, you need to write the article as if you have never heard of yourself.  That is usually difficult for most people to do(though not impossible).  Again, if you do meet the guidelines for notability, I highly suggest that you allow others to write about you. 331dot (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Line "Breaks"?
Is it  or   or ? Which one is right or are they all fine? If all are allowed, which one should I use? – JocularJellyfish TalkContribs 21:51, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome back to the Teahouse. According to Help:HTML in wikitext, both  and   are fine. Good ol' Stack Overflow tells me that   is technically only there to maintain compatibility with XHTML, so since Wikipedia uses HTML5,   is all that is needed, but again, it doesn't really matter which you use because both generate the same output. Mz7 (talk) 22:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the prompt reply. – JocularJellyfish TalkContribs 22:22, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * So, I actually did a little bit more poking around out of curiosity, and as it turns out, no matter which form you use –,  , or   – the MediaWiki software which runs Wikipedia will automatically convert this into  . You can see this in action if you go to the Kirstjen Nielsen page, which you recently edited to switch   to  . If you view the HTML source of the page in your web browser, you can see that the web browser is actually interpreting  , regardless of which you use in your wikitext:

<th colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background:lavender">Chief of Staff to the

United States Secretary of Homeland Security
 * Pretty interesting. Again, as I said, it doesn't matter which you use because they all generate the same output. Mz7 (talk) 22:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Taking reference from Facebook
I am creating an article on a school of Howrah. The school is wellfamous and noteable. So I am trying to create the article. There are many referencing sites which gives information about this school. But the problem is that all the references have the same info and the info is either very old and backlogged or incompleted. On the facebook page of the school, it gives latest and copleted info. So can Facebook be a reference?

AnkurHow (talk) 22:31 5 Dec 2017 (IST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnkurHow (talk • contribs) 17:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Normally, Facebook cannot be used as a reference, because there is no control over who has posted the information. There is an exception in the case of the official Facebook page of an organisation: we can assume that the organisation or its authorised representatives have posted the information there. However, there is another problem: information posted by the subject itself (or its employees or associates) is treated as a primary source, and may only be used in limited ways (see the link): for uncontroveresial factual information. But the bulk of the information in any article should come from reliable published sources independent of the subject, i.e. where people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to write in depth about it, and been published in a source with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking. If there are few or no such sources, then there is nothing that can go into the article, I'm afraid. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Then what should I do? The school is Howrah Zilla School (watch the article in my sandbox) located in Howrah of India. The school is famous in Howrah as well as in whole state West Bengal of India. Only the facebook page contains the latest and acceptable information. So what should I do? (press this linkbow to view the facebook page https://m.facebook.com/HOWRAH.ZILLASchool/about?refid=17) AnkurHow (talk • contribs) 22:37, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If there is not information in published independent sources, or if the information out there is not complete or inaccurate, I regret to say that it will not be possible to have an article about this school at this time. Not every organization or school merits an article here, even within the same field.  "Famous" is not the same as "notable"(as Wikipedia defines it at WP:N). 331dot (talk) 11:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Unsure about issues with rejected wikipedia page
My Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sarah_Megan_Thomas was rejected due to "This needs more independent reliable sources featuring in-depth coverage as opposed to passing mentions and interviews". My references were New York Times interviews and IMDb pages. I'm wondering why this was rejected. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Bahil01 (talk) 22:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse.  Interviews and IMDb pages are not the best sources because they are generated by the subject themselves.  Wikipedia is not really interested in what people say about themselves, or what their publicity agents put out. Try to find some independent WP:reliable sources where the subject has been written about in detail by someone else.    D b f i r s   23:23, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Signature?
I found the place where you can create your own signature. Now how do I make one? Thissecretperson (talk) 21:52, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Look at WP:CUSTOMSIG for how to modify your default signature. RudolfRed (talk) 23:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

How can I edit an articel, which is already edited in german wikipedia?
I had edit an articel in german wikipedia. now i want edit this articel in english language in the english wikipedia. How can i do this and waht are the conditions to do that? I´ve read before editing a new own articel in the english wikipedia, i have already have to edit 10 artcicels before. Is that right? Tanks for help 146.52.144.113 (talk) 10:02, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. I don't wish to be rude, but your skills in the English language do not appear to me to be adequate to writing an article in the English Wikipedia. Nevertheless, you are welcome to try. Please be aware that creating a new article is one of the harder tasks in English Wikipedia (whether an article already exists in another Wikipedia is irrelevant: the task is still to create a new article). It is true that you need an account which is autoconfirmed before you can create a new article in mainspace; but I would always advise a new editor to use the article wizard to create their draft in draft space (which does not have that restriction). Please start by reading your first article. If you are contemplating creating the article by translating the German article (a possible approach, but not the only one), then also read translation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinFine (talk • contribs) 10:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * If you have an account, then anyone can edit. If you want to edit the article in the English Wikipedia, go to the page and click "edit source". If there's a reference/citation to your account, then it should be fine. Egaoblai (talk) 01:35, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Trying to find out who made changes on a page
I am editing the Writers Guild of America West page to update and make some corrections. I see that JNorton7558 edited the page in November, and I am trying to find out who this person is and if they are affiliated with the WGAW. Only reason I ask is that I work for the Guild and am responsible for Wikipedia update and curious as to who entered this information.

As a new editor, I'm having trouble reaching JNorton and would appreciate some help in how to do it. Still finding my way around Wikipedia edits.

Many thanks.Jdmcd (talk) 22:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You can reach that editor here -- S Philbrick (Talk)  22:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * If you work for the Guild you are not permitted to edit until you have made the declaration required regarding paid editing. You also need to read about conflict of interest and about "ownership" of articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Biddulph (talk • contribs) 22:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia Editors can be as anonymous as they like. If you click on their name there may be information about them, but if there isn't then that's their choice to be anonymous. Egaoblai (talk) 03:17, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Unless they are a paid editor, in which case they are required by the terms of use to disclose that (though not their identity). 331dot (talk) 15:12, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. I was referring to the original question of a submitter wanting to know who a person simply out of curiousity. Egaoblai (talk) 01:38, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

correct information vs no original research dilemma
Hi. I was reading about the Porsche 917 16 cylinder prototype on de wikipedia. Some stated figures don't agree with calculation. It was hoped the english version would refer to the german as a reliable source. Is there a way to provide correct information while avoiding original research? Rolmops23 (talk) 01:52, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a Reliable Source, so you cant cite it in an article. Not sure if you're saying the English version does not agree with the german version or vice-versa.  You can look at what sources are used in the article that is correct, and use the same sources in the other article.  You could also raise the issue on the article's talk page.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:56, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh. I will remove the ref. No source on the de page was given. I found in WP:NOR that routine calculation is acceptable reason to base an edit, although I hesitate to do so without consensus. Rolmops23 (talk) 02:04, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

How can I contribute as a reviewer?
I don't have much time due to busy work schedule.

I would rather pick and choose (cherry pick) the articles that I am knowledgeable about.

N S Christian (talk) 01:27, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As we are all volunteers, you can certainly review (or not review) any articles that you wish for any reason. If there are certain subject areas that interest you that you would like to focus on, there may be a relevant WikiProject that could guide you to articles you are interested in.  For example, there is a Mathematics WikiProject for users interested in working on math-related articles.  To see if there is a project in an area you are interested in, you can visit WP:PJ which will take you to the main WikiProject page, which has a search bar where you can search for topics, or you can look through the directory manually.  Other users may have other ideas on how to do what you want to do. 331dot (talk) 01:59, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to new articles waiting for review? You can choose any one you want to review.   See the instructions at WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Reviewing_instructions.   You shouldn't be using your personal knowledge if the article is acceptable or not.  Use the crtieria listed there.   RudolfRed (talk) 02:03, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , you are allowed to edit virtually any articles you want (at this point, you have not made enough edits to edit articles that are under "extended confirmed" protection. Those are primarily highly contentious articles, usually in a political area like American politics or the Arab-Isrealli conflict). Of course, you are free to choose not to edit any article. If by "review" articles, you mean participate in one of the three formal review processes we have ( Pending changes, Articles for Creation or New page review), you haven't near enough experience to qualify. You've only been here a month and have only 17 mainspace edits. For NPR and AFC, 500 edits and 3 months experience are the minimum requirement. For PCR, their is no minimum experience required, but you must demonstrate a clear knowledge of anti-vandalism and show experience working at it. John from Idegon (talk) 02:30, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

about to submit
Hi all, as soon as I send this I'm going to finally submit my first attempt at a Wikipage. I would like to thank everyone who patiently answered my newbie questions. Got one more. Some of my biographical info is from interviews with the widow. How, or am I even allowed, to cite that information? Thanks,

UnlikelySailor (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Are these interviews published somewhere? 331dot (talk) 22:10, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * No. Just emails.  Thank you.

2602:306:37FC:3B0:217C:D5EE:92BB:F977 (talk) 22:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * In that case, you cannot use the information from those interviews in Wikipedia, unfortunately. One of our core content policies is the no original research policy, which states that everything you include in Wikipedia must come from a published, reliable source. If the interviews have not been published by a reliable source, we cannot use them in Wikipedia, unfortunately. Mz7 (talk) 22:24, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * In addition, verifiability is important as well; your emails are almost impossible to independently verify. I believe what you say, but that is not sufficient. 331dot (talk) 22:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * In addition, Wikipedia itself is not counted as a reliable source, so just use an internal link, don't claim it as a reference.   D b f i r s   23:17, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, . One way to possibly make use of the info garnered by your interviews would be to contact a journalist and see if you could interest him or her in writing a story on it. Then you could cite the newspaper it may be published in. John from Idegon (talk) 02:11, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * i've removed the wikipedia refs. i missed that when i was reviewing it. still, you should just be able to take supporting sources fromt he article you linked to, and use those, so not a huge issue -- Aunva6talk - contribs 06:28, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Preview
How come sometimes on page preview, I can see the infobox image, and sometimes I can't. I don't mean when it's just slow and there's a blank box at first. 50.64.119.38 (talk) 02:57, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello anonymous and welcome to the Teahouse.


 * I don't think that should happen and the fact that you are seeing it means that, most likely, there is some network problem getting in the way of delivering content to you. The images generally come from different servers than the article text content.  &mdash; jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  07:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Daily Mail as a source
Hi, the article The Real Marigold Hotel has a source by Daily Mail under "Reception". considering the Daily Mail RfC and the review being an opinion, would it be fine to retain it when there are reviews supported by other sources? Thanks. MT TrainDiscuss 08:12, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Mentioning Mail reviews is no problem at all; the RFC explicitly makes exception for when the Mail is used as a source for its own opinions. The issue is using the Mail as a source for facts, given their tendency to make things up. &#8209; Iridescent 08:43, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing it up. MT TrainDiscuss 10:15, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing it up. MT TrainDiscuss 10:15, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

About me
I am a editor of Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devendra prashant Tripathi (talk • contribs) 14:29, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to our Teahouse. It's great that you've started editing on Wikipedia - helping to make this the world's greatest free encyclopaedia, where you can find out about everything from Pokemon characters, giants of politics or proteins in the human genome. May I make a couple of suggestions? I see you've used your full name and also put you're parents names and school on your user page. I would suggest this isn't really a good idea at all - we are quite happy for people to edit here anonymously, just so long as they act responsibly and make worthwhile contributions. Whilst I have chosen to use my real name here, most do not. For younger users like yourself you could put yourself at risk of harassment or bullying if someone dislikes the edits you made, and could trace you. That said we have some amazing young editors here, so age itself is no restriction. May I suggest you take a look at this guidance: Guidance for younger editors and consider whether using an account which doesn't identify you might not be a safer approach to editing here. I'm sure an administrator here could help you with that if you wish.
 * Secondly, do try out our interactive Wikipedia Adventure for a great introduction to some of the basics of editing here. Or there's more help at this getting started page. I'll pop over to your talk page and leave you a few other useful links for you. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Source Code for Userbox Pictures and Information + Where to Find Allowable Pictures.
Hi, I'm looking for the source code needed to generate a userbox with a desired picture. What commands do I have to input to link an image and where do I find images that are allowed to be used on a user page? Thanks! Reixus (talk) 12:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think you're going to find a freely licensed image of Mudkip, unfortunately. = / Benjamin (talk) 12:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Haha, yeah, you're probably right :) But it would be nice to have some allowable pokémon related image in the ID space. Right know now how to link an image in the ID space, but how do I resize it? And is Wikimedia commons the only location from which I can use images? Thanks. Reixus (talk) 12:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I'm still learning myself. But hey, I found a free licensed Pokemon image! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikiball.svg It's not technically Pokemon, so it's not under copyright. I'm not sure exactly how the law works, and where the line is drawn, but this is what the description says: "Intended as a Free icon to represent Wikipedia coverage of Nintendo's Pokémon franchise without using any images under Nintendo copyright. The uploader claims that those geometric elements copied from the description in Poké Ball are ineligible for copyright." It's not Mudkip, but it's probably the closest thing you're gonna get. Oh, hey, I just noticed the Pokemon logo is apparently in the public domain. I wonder why it's not copyrighted. Benjamin (talk) 12:55, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I found a Mudkip on Commons! I don't know why it's allowed...? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cosplayers_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_at_Anime_Expo_20160701.jpg Benjamin (talk) 13:24, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Cool man, yeah I saw those pokéballs too when I browsed the Wikimedia commons. I'll try scanning the WP:Userbox page to figure out the resizing feature. Thanks for your updates. Reixus (talk) 17:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * commons:File:Cosplayers of Pokémon at Anime Expo 20160701.jpg may be allowed because the Mudkip is only a small part of the photo. Don't try to crop it to show it by itself in a userbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Saving a signature
I'm trying to save a signature ans whenever I put it I get an error saying invalid markup... Any suggestions?
 * You have both an unclosed  before   and an open   at the start. I had to deactivate the code to prevent the following text from getting caught by the open tags. I'm not sure which signature you want but this is at least valid and enables you to separately set colors in Moss, Boss, 254:  Moss  Boss  254  Talk. PrimeHunter 01:38, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I might add that this signature has fairly low contrast and could be difficult to read for editors with color blindness.  A lad insane  <small style="color:#A32732">talk 17:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)