Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 785

Help with a COI and non noteable entity
Hi everyone, my apologies for the question as I feel it should be easy for me to figure out how to correct the matter. I recently edited St. Theresa Catholic Secondary School notable alumni section to include a former history teacher and myself. Neither of us have our own wiki page as I don't see how we warrant one; however this retired teacher was the recipient of the Governor Generals Award for Teach Excellence in History and I have recently been awarded the Sovereign's Medal for Volunteers from the Rideau Hall acting on behalf of the Monarch of Canada.

Both entries were removed.

The former/retired teachers award can be found via multiple third party and official sources; and is in fact noted elsewhere on the page. My COI edit can be verified when the new list of the Sovereign's Medal for Volunteers recipients list is published by Rideau Hall. I can validate now via official documentation from the Chancery of Honours.

I don't understand how one Canadian to be given an award for teaching excellence, and another to receive an official Canadian honour are not considered noteable but a hockey player is.

Any help is greatly appreciated, cheers; PMatwyuk (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . There is well-established consensus among experienced editors that we only list alumni in school articles if the person already has a Wikipedia article. As for Brad Richardson, he is indisputably notable as a professional athlete who plays in the National Hockey League, and has a Wikipedia biography. Therefore, it was correct to remove the two names you added and to leave the hockey player in. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  23:47, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the welcome ! Since the teacher can indisputably be noted as an award recipient from the GG and the facts presented can he be added? Would a source just need to be added? Likewise for when the proof is published for me as a sovereign medal's recipient? Articles could easily be written for each individual as well.PMatwyuk (talk) 23:58, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . If and only if these two people are notable, then the first step is to write acceptable Wikipedia articles about them. For the teacher, he must meet our notabilty guideline for academics. High school teachers almost never qualify. We have no notabilty guideline for volunteers, so you must meet our more general notabilty guideline for people. Please be extremely cautious about trying to write an autobiography, which is highly discouraged. In my opinion, what you are trying to do is not a good idea. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  01:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * What I'm trying to do ? I'm trying to ensure that a teacher who dedicated his life to teaching and won the countries highest award for it and has recently had his name submitted to have a high school named after him is listed as noteable alumni. As for the assumption of an autobiographies I don't have the time to write something and then have my employer proof read it before I can submit it. What would be added in both cases is nothing more than factual verifiable information. I'm glad to know though that it's considered to be a "..not good idea." to add information about alumni who have made actual contributions to the country and the world but it's okay to keep a professional athlete. Got it thanks. Athletes = Noteable, Award and honour receivers = Not Noteable. Makes perfect sense. PMatwyuk (talk) 02:30, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's exactly right. The professional athlete has received significant coverage from multiple WP:RELIABLE sources. One honor--unless it was an Oscar, Tony, or Nobel--is not usually sufficient to establish notability. But if, as a WP:COI account, you choose to frame this as an anti-intellectual guideline, nobody here will dissuade you. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:43, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That is helpful. PMatwyuk (talk) 13:44, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . When you write "Athletes = Noteable, Award and honour receivers = Not Noteable", you are neither accurately summarizing the guidelines nor what I wrote. Please read what I write carefully. The vast majority of amateur athletes are not notable. Those who rise to the Olympic level and also professional athletes playing at the highest league level of their sports are notable. This is because there are always published reliable independent sources about such people that can used to build an encyclopedia biography. As for awards, these can range from ribbons given at local fairs to major international awards like the Nobel prizes. What determines the notability of an award-winner is the depth of coverage of that person in reliable, independent published sources. As with athletes, most award winners are not notable. It all depends on the quality of the references. The sources are like gold here on Wikipedia. Feel free to disagree but that is how we operate. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  04:08, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . You keep referencing independent verifiable resources as if I do not have any; even though I have mentioned numerous times they exist. Why you continue to go on as if they don't is rather discouraging. You also where the one saying it is not a good idea even after I've stated such sources exist. PMatwyuk (talk) 13:31, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Simply furnish links to those sources then,, so that other editors can evaluate them. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  14:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I already have,, as I was able to get a more direct answer by another user in regards on how to do things. Regards PMatwyuk (talk) 15:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Calling all Wiki Experts
Hello Wiki friends, i'm new to Wiki (created an account) but i have used Wiki my entire college career and in almost everyday life. I am interning at well respected philanthropy organization and we want our research, and knowledge to be available to everyone, and if anyone wants to explore more of what we do we want to be able to give them that bridge to help continue the expansion of knowledge and education. with that being said what better place to see what we have done and what we will do to help improve health and quality of life than here, on Wikipedia. We want to bring sound science and credible peer reviewed journals to our page however i know it is frowned upon within the community for us to do it our selves. So my question is what approach is best if we want to get our grant funded research onto wikipedia and still follow the rules of wikipedia and not be self serving. We want people to be able to easily access the information we have and see firsthand what we have done. Any information and tips would be great!

thank you everyone! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaP87 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, . You have to be a little more specific about what is it that you want to do. Do you want to

We'll be able to help better if you answer this. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit the Wikipedia article about the philanthropy organization (which organization is it, by the way?)
 * 2) Use materials produced by the organization to improve our articles on health and quality of life issues?
 * 3) Make such materials available so that we can edit such articles?


 * Welcome, and such collaborations are often successful. WP:GLAM handles many, and if their work is not relevant to your org, then one of the topical WP:Wikiprojects or a local WP:Chapter might be. We might steer you better if you used your WP:User Page to tell us more about you and your organization. I have often done such things through my local Chapter. Jim.henderson (talk) 18:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Finnusertop, thank you for getting back to me so quickly, our organization is the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and we want to use materials produced by us to improve articles and to help keep this information open access for any to locate and read, we are looking at Wiki data and export the information we have such as statistics and what not. Any more advice would be greatly appreciated thank you. DaP87 (talk) 12:16, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * User:DaP87 okay so the articles are produced by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. Are the articles about medicine and health care?
 * Can you provide an example of one of the articles you are proposing be used? Are the articles already released under an open license (CC BY SA) and the underlying data under a CC-0 license?
 * Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 00:07, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * User:DaP87 Sounds like a great project. To clarify, are you hoping to embed information from existing biomedical journals articles written by authors that were funded by RWJF? For example, "Complexity of the Relationships of Pain, Posttraumatic Stress, and Depression in Combat-Injured Populations: An Integrative Review to Inform Evidence-Based Practice." was recently published and funded by RWJF. If yes, I've been discussing a similar initiative with a different funding group and would be happy to chat.

Lauren maggio (talk) 23:12, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * user: Lauren maggio yes pretty much, now most of the information we have from published journals do not have us anywhere mentioned in the paper, again we want to keep the neutral POV on Wikipedia, but the journals we have funded we feel have information that can be used for the public good and we are looking for a pipeline from our research department to Wikipedia. Here are the topics that people are finding to be interested on wiki (track pages) here is all the information we have on it. here is an example of a research journal that we funded and the data is collected [Meal Deliveries |https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2017.0999] I appreciate the feedback if this is valuable to the Wiki community and if it falls within the guidelines. i also want to clarify that no one at the foundation will be editing any page directly. Again thank you for your feedback. DaP87 (talk) 15:11, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Signature condensing
My signature is quite long. Is there a way for me to condense the code while retaining the look of it?  Nixinova   T   C  04:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)  Nixinova   T   C 
 * Here's a close approximation. It's 240 characters and should fit. You'll lose the link to your main user page, but you don't really need that when you have links to your talk and contribution pages still intact.
 *  Nixinova T C
 * You'll have to substitute your signature because the above example won't go in the signature area in your preferences. It should be said that this is strongly discouraged due to the risk of tampering with your signature (See WP:SIG.) If you choose to do this, create a page with the title something like User:Nixinova/sig then place only the signature there and save it. Then in your signature space in preferences, put  or whichever the page is named and click save. Your signature should appear. Make sure you place the signature page on your watchlist if you choose to do this, and monitor it closely. Other editors may have better suggestions than this.

 spintendo   08:17, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Please note that using substitution to insert a signature longer than the length limits imposed on the Preferences page is not allowed: WP:SIGLEN.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 15:31, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletion
Hi everyone. I think the article List of Late Quaternary prehistoric bird species should be deleted based on WP:Synthesis and WP:OR, but a nonverifed user disagrees with my deletion. Since the PROD rules state that I can't add the tag back, how do I proceed when I still feel the deletion is valid? †Basilosauridae ❯❯❯Talk  18:29, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * After a failed PROD the next available process is AFD. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:34, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Admin
Hello everyone! It is always a pleasure to visit the Teahouse ! Just a second question, how do you become an administrator ( admin ) ? Thnks everyone ! Hocraa (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Read WP:Guide to requests for adminship, wait a few years while you make a few thousand uncontroversial edits, then read WP:Guide to requests for adminship again. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:38, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

First article submission was swiftly rejected. I included 5 references for the person that is running to replace Pam Bondi for Attorney General of Florida 2018
Other candidates running for this office have pages on Wikipedia... so is this a matter of adding more news articles on this individual? Sorry for being a newbie but I guess we all have to start somewhere. Lvwitt3 (talk) 19:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC)Larry (Lvwitt3)


 * User:69.73.79.240/sandbox has now been nominated for speedy deletion as a copyright violation, as notified on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:21, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * ... and Florida Attorney General election, 2018 shows that not all of the potential candidates have articles. For those which have, it shows the capacity in which they are notable. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:26, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, what is an good way to make references on an article?
So I am making an article on an website I own. I, however, can't reference stuff from the web because its not on there. It's in my head and I know it perfectly. Should I make pages on the website for the subjects and reference them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimitar bgdnv (talk • contribs) 19:38, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * No. If there are no published references to reliable sources (and there aren't any at Draft:Lump (social network)) there can't be a Wikipedia article.  Your own knowledge is no use to Wikipedia.  --David Biddulph (talk) 19:47, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, Welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately I'm going to start with discouraging advice. You should start by reading WP:COI, which will tell you that you should not be writing the article. That said, referencing help can be found at Help:Referencing_for_beginners-- S Philbrick (Talk)  19:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

how to create Artist wikipedia page
i created a page but haven't gotten any feed back. i don't know if the page has been approved or not. i really need help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freshdolla (talk • contribs) 20:05, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The draft is not going to be approved as it is right now. My usual advice for writing an article about anyone or anything:
 * 1) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.
 * 2) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.
 * 3) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.
 * 4) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.
 * 5) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.
 * 6) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.
 * 7) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).
 * Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:07, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, also, read WP:Conflict of interest. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:11, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

new to editing
Hi Just sign up for editing or translating How to start ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuriza noor (talk • contribs) 16:43, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Welcome! You'll find some useful links at WP:Welcome.  Help on translating to and from the English Wikipedia is at WP:Translate and WP:Translate us. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

translation
hello i found an article in bahasa Indonesia in wiki, could nto find the same one in englsih. Does that mean it has not been yet translated into english ? if yes I would like to volunteer to translate, how does it work ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuriza noor (talk • contribs) 17:01, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I have included this with the previous section. Have you read WP:Translate?  --David Biddulph (talk) 18:12, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello . David Biddulph is right to point you at the "Translate" page; but I wanted to add something that is mentioned there but not strongly emphasised. Creating a new article in English Wikipedia is quite hard, and creating it by translating from another Wikipedia is not usually a short cut. It might happen that the text, and more importantly the references, in the other-language article are suitable for an English article: if so, then you can just translate the text, and use the same references (though references in English are preferred, if there are any available) - you just need to remember to attribute the origin properly. But different Wikipedias have different sets of policies, and sometimes the references in the foreign-language article are not adequate for an English article, or the content is not appropriate; sometimes the references are not sufficient even to establish the subject as notable by the standards of enwiki. So in general, it is best to treat this as an entirely new article. Use the references in the original article, and where appropriate, you can translate sections of it; but it is important not to assume that translating the article will necessarily give an acceptable English article. --ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

how to add a new page on wikipedia
Hello, I have started a new page on wiki, but I do not understand the process behind. Whne and how will the page appear on the public domain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TopskiyP (talk • contribs) 23:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * So far, you've only added this content, which looks like it belongs in the Victor Musgrave article. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:02, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Could you help me to understand how to create a new page on Wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by TopskiyP (talk • contribs) 00:06, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * Here are some steps which, when followed, often lead to good results.


 * First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our specific guideline on the notability of people. Consider whether your  subject  clearly meets the standards listed there.
 * Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
 * Third,  This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing. 
 * Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
 * Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
 * Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed.
 * Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.
 * Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also,, please remember in future to sign comments on tak and discussion pages, like this one with four tildes . The wiki software will convert this to a link to your user page (or your custom signature if you set one in your preferences) plus a timestamp. Also, please remember that "wiki" is the name of the software that runs this site, and many other sites. This site is "Wikipedia". Please don't say "a wiki" when you mean "a Wikipedia article". Thank you. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:14, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

New and off to a BAD start! :(
Hi I'm Juls and although I joined Wikipedia years ago, have recently been asked to write an item.

Things haven't gone well, though... After writing the item on a local artist it was reviewed and accused of being advertising. I re-edited it a number of times listing only factual information, with citations (mostly from websites and newspapers) but it was deleted yesterday, so I'm a bit disappointed!

I've tried asking for specifics as to which bits were unacceptable, but haven't got any feedback.

The artist I was asked to write about is the only one of his contemporaries not yet listed on Wikipedia, so it seemed valid to write a page on him. For my final edit, I used the Wikipedia page of a similar artist as a template and copied the layout and language, but it was still deleted. :-S

Rather than giving up completely... I'm looking for advice and pointers as to where to go from here and how to list the facts without it sounding like an advert... Most of the press coverage seems quite positive, so it's trying to get it to be balanced is the challenge.

Thanks

Juls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julsm (talk • contribs) 20:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * My usual advice if you're going to write an article about anyone or anything:
 * 1) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.
 * 2) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.
 * 3) Summarize those sources from step 2, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.
 * 4) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.
 * 5) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism. Make sure it's written in a way that someone who hates the subject still has to agree with.
 * 6) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.
 * 7) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).
 * Doing something besides those steps in that order typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:54, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that "I was asked to write an item" is nearly always a bad start. I suppose it's possible that somebody altruisticly decides that Wikipedia would be improved by an article on a certain subject, and asks somebody to write it rather than writing it themselves; but nearly always, if somebody asks somebody else to write an article, it is an article about them or their associates, and their wish is not altruistic. This means that the person who is asked to write it automatically has a conflict of interest, in that they are not doing it for Wikipedia (or not only for Wikipedia). Please understand that Wikipedia does not care, at all, whether somebody wants there to be an article about them or not: if they are notable then there can be an article (though only if somebody chooses to write it, of course), even if they don't want one; if they are not notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) then there cannot be an article, even if they wanted one.
 * Furthermore, Wikipedia is essentially uninterested in what a subject says or has said about themselves, or what their friends, relatives, employees, agents, or associates, have said about them. Almost the whole of the article should be based on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about them. Start with the professional, independent references, and aim to summarise what these say: nothing more. --ColinFine (talk) 21:11, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse and to WIkipedia. The above advice is good. Your draft looks to me like a good start, although additional independent published reliable sources would be helpful. The key thing is to follow the sources wherever they lead. If there has been controversy, then there must be critical sources, and they should be cited. Oh and do please remember to sign posts to talk and discussion pages such as this one with four tildes . DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:28, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

An Observation About Stubs
I received the following on my talk page from User:Wik wp in response to my decline of Draft:Investor Times as not notable, having no references.

Wik wp wrote
Hi Robert

Thank you for your review. I actually created two news pages. One was for Mature Times and one for Investor Times.

Both had red links on wikipedia page UK Newspapers so I did some research and created pages for those links. Both were created as Stubs so they could be expanded over time. Both pages have similar amount of content. The Mature Times page created seems to have been accepted, yet the Investor Times page does not.

I agree that both pages do need improvements such as references. I just wanted to help get the pages created as stubs and improved over time.

Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks again for your time. Wik wp (talk) 11:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Follow-Up
I am not really asking a question here, because Wikipedia policies and guidelines are clear, but we do seem to have a good-faith misunderstanding about stubs. The author created the stubs because there were red links in a list. Both converting red links in a list to blue and expanding stubs are encouraged, but only if the red links are replaced with articles that are at least “valid” stubs, and these stubs were unreferenced. This was clearly a misunderstanding of stubs, which should have at least one reference (although sometimes not much else).

I will add that, in the case of Investor Times, Wik wp created a draft, which was declined. In the case of Mature Times, Wik wp created a draft and moved the draft to mainspace, where a A7 nomination was declined because A7 doesn’t apply to newspapers, but an unreferenced stub is subject to AFD.

Just a comment about a reasonable misunderstanding about what is and is not done with stubs.

Robert McClenon (talk) 00:47, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Query
Why does "Template:Infobox web series" redirect to "Template: Infobox podcast"? A web series is a whole different thing I assume. Harsh Rathod Poke me!  10:15, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * They are indeed somewhat different things, but the parameters we use to describe them line up so that the same code can be used for both. There's some overlap with Template:Infobox radio show as well, so a more elaborately produced web series might want to use that latter infobox template instead. Note that "web series" or "podcast" does not show up at all in the rendered infobox as seen by readers.
 * At some time in the future, we may find we want to have some different parameters for web series than for podcast and the two infoboxes could be split. That might be the time when someone is thankful that they used the correct infobox description when they created their article.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 18:56, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. That means my assumption was correct. Harsh Rathod Poke me!  02:00, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Problems with table formatting
Hi, I keep trying to add rows of in formation to a table. I have tried editing through the editing source and visual editing. I can successfully add a row of content, but it messes up the formatting for another row. I have tried copying and pasting what others have done, plus just inserting rows in the visual editing window, and it always messes up other rows. I don't know why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bogglethemind83 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please be more specific. The only edits i see where you are adding rows to a table are to Man of the Woods Tour ‎ , here and here You self reverted these. I don't see that they caused any formatitng problems, however. I think that row markers in table syntax should use a pipe and a hyphen , not a pipe and an ndash or an mdash  . I am not sure if it matters, however. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:08, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey . Thanks for the welcome and your response. I tried to add a concert date to the page, but when I did, it messed up the Mohegan concert date, so I undid it. And I tried recently to add another date, but I didn't publish it because I could see in the preview that it was messing up the Mohegan and Philly dates. I want to add 2 dates on November 29 and December 1 in Phoenix and Las Vegas because they were announced, but when I try to add a row, things get messed up. And I tried doing it with the visual editor as well, and as soon as I inserted a new row, the columns for attendance and gross revenue moved to the left where it says United States. I feel like Mohegan is before another line break, so maybe that's why it's getting messed up. But Philadelphia got messed up the same way when I added a second row. Basically, I try adding a row either by the source editing or visual editing, and the attendance and gross revenue columns (which are supposed to be on the far right) move to the left where the country is supposed to be. And I can't delete them with the visual editing tool either because it ends up deleting the entire table.

Use of last name in an article about a person who changed their named after marriage
Hi! I'm editing an article about a woman who changed her last name after being married. I was just wondering, what is the convention to use here? (should I use her new last name throughout the entire article, should I use her first name, should I use her maiden name up until she gets married, etc.) Thanks! Hickland (talk) 03:11, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello again and welcome back to the Teahouse.
 * The convention, as always, is WP:COMMONNAME. You figure out by what name the preponderance of sources refer to her and you follow that. The subject's own preferences can be given a small amount of weight in making this decision but not complete deference. It would be confusing to switch between names, so the reference to the person should be consistent within the article.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 03:24, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * However,, all the sourcable names should usually be mentioned in the lead section, often in the lead sentence. The birth name can be identified with "born" if the common name is otherwise, or with nee. There was a debate on that recently, which may be worth reading. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:47, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Reference Popups in Sandboxes?
Why doesn't the reference popups work in sandboxes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheAnonymous91384 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


 * For me they do. Have you disabled Reference Tooltips at Special:Preferences? --David Biddulph (talk) 17:39, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

World Naked Bike Ride page blocked by Facebook
How can the World Naked Bike Ride page be set up so that it doesn't violate the community guidelines of Facebook via that image that pops up when tagged?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Bike_Ride

I'm a 5 year organizer of the ride in Columbus Ohio and in trying to communicate history of the ride to other riders and volunteers I've been getting blocked by Facebook. Any thoughts? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.103.138 (talk) 17:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello anonymous. I'm afraid there is not much point asking your question here. Our Teahouse is to assist editors working on Wikipedia, not to configure pages to display on Facebook. I've just looked at https://www.facebook.com/wnbr.international/ and it does show images of naked participants, and I've also just posted the link from Wikipedia there, and it seems to preview the images OK. But if you're finding problems embedding the link, why not just copy the text of the article and re-lay it for a Facebook post? Just say it is sourced from the Wikipedia page and its various contributors and you'd be OK using the text, I feel. Does that help? Nick Moyes (talk) 18:00, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello anonymous user and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * The general view of Wikipedia editors is that Wikipedia is not censored and if Facebook decides that the page violates their community guidelines, that is their right. One of the things that Wikipedia does not intend to be is an avenue for promotion or "information" by an organizer, so if you are connected with the event, you have a conflict of interest and should not be editing the article.
 * Since photos of your event would need to be chastely cropped in order for them to be acceptable on Facebook, I can only suggest that you seek other avenues than Facebook for anything beyond the simplest information.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 17:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Blue screen
My computer screen turned blue with writing. Then it went black with in seconds. what did I do wrong or what went wrong. Some say the Motherboard went bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.25.5.38 (talk) 13:12, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello anonymous and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * The Teahouse is a friendly and helpful place for editors to ask questions about how to edit Wikipedia. Your question, or rather, statement is not going to be addressed here.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 15:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. The Computing Reference Desk might be a better place to ask; but nobody will be able to help you much with only the information you have given. It is the equivalent of saying "I was driving, and my car stopped". From that information, we have no way of knowing whether you ran out of fuel, whether the engine or gearbox failed, or whether you drove into a wall. You probably need to show it to somebody who understands computer hardware, but that is only a guess. --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Problem with mobile view?
Hello, I recently typed "Blanc & Eclare" on Google, and I got a Wikipedia result for it. However, upon clicking the link, it led me to the page of the designer of Blanc & Eclare. This shouldn't be the case, since the brand has its own page. My screenshot of the result. I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask about it, about how can this be fixed? Thank you. Jesstan01 (talk) 21:55, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Until three days ago, our article Blanc & Eclare was a redirect to Jessica Jung. Google will probably catch up in a few days, but we have no control over what it does. --ColinFine (talk) 23:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

re Keen, Joseph Lawrence
Hi, Lawrence was a senior engraver with de la rue, there is not a whole of lot of information available about him but enough I think to warrant him a wiki page, can you please think about starting one http://stampengravers.blogspot.com/2014/08/keen-joseph-lawrence.html juliamichell 22:24, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can request at Requested articles that someone create this. I am afraid the time lag on such request is large. Also often translates to "there is no way to create a properly sourced Wikipedia article about him" or even to "he is not notable in Wikipedia terms"
 * Or you could try to create a valid Wikipedia article yourself. In that case i would advise following the steps below, or something close to them. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:19, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our specific guideline on the notability of people. Consider whether your  subject  clearly meets the standards listed there.
 * Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
 * Third,  This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing. 
 * Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
 * Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
 * Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed.
 * Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.
 * Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:19, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

How do I add images on PlayStation Vita?
I use a PlayStation Vita for most of my edits on wikipedia, and I have trouble trying to do something, like uploading a file. Visual editor doesn't work on it, and I have no way of adding an images. Can anyone help me? Pyraminxsolver (talk) 00:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

How do I delete an article with a non-notable subject?
Hi everyone, just wondering how I might go about deleting an article? I’m pretty new here and I haven’t quite learned all the ins and outs yet. Thought I would ask for help from more experienced editors and take a break for some tea before doing anything else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chōd wrangler (talk • contribs) 01:38, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi You haven't really contributed anything except to remove an image that has as a fair use claim and you already want to start deleting articles? How we delete articles is explained at Deletion policy. I would not recommend deletion as an area to start out in. Why not spend some time contributing content first? Vexations (talk) 01:56, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Lack of notability is a common reason for deleting an article, but please be reasonably sure that the article does not in fact meet our General Notability guideline or one of our subject-specific notability guidelines. I could offer more specific advice if you indicated what article you would like to have deleted. Article deletions can be suggested at Articles for Discussion commonly known as AfD. Please read that and the linked pages. I urge you to consult a more experienced editor, as what is and is not considered notable on Wikipedia is not always as obvious as people initially think it should be. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:00, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, please WP:SIGN comments on talk and discussion pages with four tildes . Thank you. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:00, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * Only administrators can delete articles, but most of the time they are deleting in response to requests from other editors. There are three mechanisms for requesting that a page be deleted. Please see deletion for details.
 * The mildest possible method is proposed deletion, which can be used where there is no likely controversy. It's mild because any editor, including the article's major contributor, can remove the proposed deletion tag and that ends the process then and there. If nobody objects to the deletion, at the end of the seven-day period, the PROD expires and the article will be considered by an admin for deletion. They too can disagree with the deletion and simply remove the PROD.
 * When an argument about notability has to occur, the page gets nominated in the articles for deletion process. Other editors can recommend for or against deletion and one thing that commonly happens is that, despite the article having poor references or not demonstrating notability, an editor may uncover additional sources that do help establish notability. Also, a page may be merged into another article or redirected, or there may be a resolution that it be draftified.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 02:09, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

TWA
Is it mandatory to finish the Wikipedia Adventure? Thegooduser  Let's Chat  🍁  03:46, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's not at all mandatory to finish TWA, many experienced editors have never done it. It's made to be helpful, so if it helps you, you should finish it, but otherwise there's no need. --Habst (talk) 03:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome back to the Teahouse, . No, starting and finishing that learning game is completely optional, not mandatory. If you lose interest, go improve the encyclopedia instead. Cullen<sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  03:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Could you go to the section in my talk page "False positive with your advertisement detection bot" and add a comment there? Thanks! Thegooduser  Let's Chat  🍁  04:00, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

New user
I've been using wikipedia for a while and decided I should make an account and get at least a little more involved. I'm posting this for two reasons: 1, I just made my first edit and wanted to make sure I did good (Streisand effect). 2, I wanted to know if there are any tips I should hear from veteran users before I get started. I've read the 5 eternal pillars of truth and most of the wikifauna articles, so I'm not completely clueless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GenericName1108 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia! Yup, your edit is perfectly fine. Tips...plenty, but most of those would depend on the area you intend to edit and the type of work you'd like to do. A couple of general tips would be to not be afraid to ask other editors for help if needed (considering you've found your way to the Teahouse already, I suspect you'd do that even without me giving you that tip though) and to sign your posts by adding ~ at the end of your post when you're on talk-pages or other pages (like this one) intended for communication with other editors. Other than the Teahouse, please also feel free to pop by my talkpage if you run into any issues or need help. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 00:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your first edit looks fine. One piece of advice, rememer to sign posts on discussion pages like this one, and talk pages, with four tildes . Ths software will convert this into a link to your user page (or your custom signature if you set one in your preferences) and a timestamp.
 * Do try to be careful that in adding content you cite reliable sources for most non-obvious facts (but see you don't need to cite that the sky is blue).
 * Do please provide edit summaries to explain your intent on each edit.
 * Do remember to be civil and the assume the good faith of other editors. Do work collaboratively with others here.
 * If someone reverts edits of yours, do remember the bold, revert, discuss cycle and in no event edit war.
 * Do ask for help freely when you are unsure. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:44, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok, Thank you very much for your advice! GenericName1108 (talk) 04:34, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Help on editing a page?
So I would like to edit the page known as "List of fandom nicknames", by adding a another box to the diagram. How do I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joey kl22 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Joey kl22, welcome to the Teahouse. I see you use VisualEditor. In the source editor you can see the existing code of the table in List of fandom nicknames and copy the format. If you start a visual edit then there is a pencil icon at the top right to switch to the source editor. Use the "Show preview" button before saving to make sure your edit is not damaging the table. It's also possible to add table rows in VisualEditor and this is a simple table where it may work well but many tables use special source code. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

New article
hey,

so, i'm trying to post a new article here. how do i know the article i published is being reviewed or not..?? how long does it normally take to get a respond from anyone??

best,

a newcomer — Preceding unsigned comment added by PasPenny.S (talk • contribs) 04:55, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Assuming this is about Draft:Galerie DUMONTEIL, that draft is not under review yet. You could request a review by copy-pasting the code, but I would advise against it because the chance of it being accepted is low. Wikipedia only has articles about "notable" topics, and the references currently present in the draft fail to establish notability. Have a look at our specific notability guideline for organizations; if that topic meets it, prove it with sources, if it does not, there is no gain in editing the draft any further. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 06:02, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * hey


 * so, i'm working on a new draft, how do i change the title from all CAPs to lowercases??


 * and,,, did i put the article under review now??


 * HELP


 * best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by PasPenny.S (talk • contribs) 10:12, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, I believe Draft:Galerie DUMONTEIL is the article you referred to. If you want to change to Galerie Dumonteil, we would do it for you. The page at the moment is not yet submitted. Please type (dont copy and paste) on top of the page.  However, at the current stand, the article will be rejected as the source provided does not "directly" support the Gallerie but the founder. You need multiple independent, reliable sources to support the content you provided. Pls see WP:RS. Also please read WP:Your First Article on how to write article in Wikipedia. Come back here if you have further questions. Thank you. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 10:32, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Sandbox Problem
"i was sweating it, my heartpulse was racing like a horse then i panicked as if wikipedia was trying to kill me and all of a sudden sandbox said that all my contributions were vandalism..." I was just test editing on the wikipedia sandbox and i didn't see why my edit wasn't a test edit. Bondboy9756 (talk) 10:59, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, Welcome to Teahouse - Your edit on User:Smoke' talk page -see here was considered vandalism. Please stick to "Your sandbox" for experiencing with editing in Wikipedia.  Thank you. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 11:13, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Racist Editing of the Rodney King Page?!?!
Hey I got here through some OJ simpson diving and have just read the Wikipage for Rodney King and its basically saying he was an alcoholic who killed himself and got divorced three times and goes into great depth about the non violent incident with police:?!?!?!?

Can someone fix this badly spelt racially biased and uninformed edit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rodney_King&action=edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.149.172 (talk) 11:47, 13 June 2018‎ (UTC)
 * You and I must be reading a different article. Rodney King does not say the incident with the police was non-violent.  It also doesn't say he killed himself.  You will need to be have more information to substantiate what you are saying.  The best place to discuss changes to the article is on the talk page, Talk:Rodney King.  ~ GB fan 12:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Kerch-Yenikale_Canal
Good Day The channel to be to the west from Tuzla Island. The territory to the west from Tuzla Island is Ukraine https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/398748747 Therefore the channel has to is designated as the Ukrainian territory under control of Russia (watch those the Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation). Add please Ukraine. --Bohdan Bondar (talk) 07:05, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Discussions about the content of a particular article should take place at the talk page of that article. I see you have posted there already: please do not post in multiple places. Alternatively you can edit the article yourself, preferably citing a source. --ColinFine (talk) 15:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

SANDTRAP!
how in hades do I move my draft out of my sandbox? I can see absolutely no method for doing so available. am I blind? please help! Aardvarksnout (talk) 16:39, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * To do it yourself your account has to be confirmed or autoconfirmed. Your account will become autoconfirmed at 14:25 (UTC), 16 June 2018. If you want someone else you can ask for it to be moved at WP:RM/TR.  ~ GB fan 17:13, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

editing draft
I just submitted a draft for submission but need to update my sources or it will be denied. How do I access it at this point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aardvarksnout (talk • contribs) 16:08, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * It appears you are speaking of the draft at Draft:Global Music Awards. It's still right where you were working on it and you are encouraged to continue to improve it while waiting for a review.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 17:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)