Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 801

80s mania wrestling
I'm having trouble figuring out how to ask for an article to be made. The process seems super complicated. All I want is an article about a game that has a decent following its called 80s mania wrestling returns it is the 3rd game in the series the first being 80s mania wrestling & the 2nd : 80s mania wrestling 90s xtreme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackson rod stewart (talk • contribs) 15:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Wikipedia is entirely edited by volunteers, who decide what they want to work on. You can ask foran article to be made (the place to do that is Requested articles, but there is no guarantee that any volunteer will decide to fulfil the request. You're probably better asking at WT:WikiProject Games --ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I have a draft.
I have draft but not how to submit for review and submit tell me how to submit a draft for review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newke 2.0 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Welcome. Is what you're referring to this short sentence: Draft:Ahswrat? It is unacceptable on many levels, and not worthy of submission for review. I don't know enough about this subject area to tell if this is a genuine attempt at an entry, a spoof, or simply an attempt at rudeness - perhaps others can. I have also deleted the entry you added for it at List of Hindu deities. Please read Your first article where you will find an article wizard to help you create something worthwhile. (That means it has to be notable, covered in details by other sources, and supported by references, and should follow the style of other Wikipedia articles.) Creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks here, and I would advise you to first get familiar with minor editing and improvement of subjects you are interested in. I will keep an eye on your future edits and drop by to let you know if I see any problems I can guide you over. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:28, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Submitting article for review
Hi there, I completed a draft article more than a month ago, but so far no-one has reviewed it. Just wondering whether this is normal or whether I have missed a step that would have involved submitting it for review?

Could someone please have a look and just advise me whether it's in the correct format and whether I should just continue waiting, or whether I need to take an extra step?

Here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:James_Waltham_Curtis

Thank-you, Lindsark (talk) 02:51, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I helped you to submit it and reviewed it. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus  (talk to me) 02:53, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

How can I use my Wikipedia? and what is the function of Wikipedia?
South Sudan news today — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhel Dhel (talk • contribs) 21:01, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm not sure how to answer you, because I'm not sure what you're asking. Does Outline of Wikipedia help? --ColinFine (talk) 23:22, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Maybe you are unable to understand the user interface to Wikipedia. Help:Editing might help you. Harsh Rathod  Poke me!  03:27, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

making new page in my sandbox
I want to make a new wikipedia page in my sandbox (I have made one so far) - when I look in my current sandbox, it says :

From a page move: This is a redirect from a page that has been moved (renamed). This page was kept as a redirect to avoid breaking links, both internal and external, that may have been made to the old page name.

Can I delete this safely and start a new page on a new topic?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorenmork (talk • contribs) 13:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Greetings, Lorenmork. The answer is yes. The former article in your sandbox has been moved to article space, so you are free to blank your sandbox and use it for other purposes. Deor (talk) 14:17, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!

Loren — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorenmork (talk • contribs) 04:36, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Factual conflicts
One source says this and other says that. Wikinews editors say to believe neither but I want to know views of Wikipedia editors. I think both the facts should be included for a more encyclopaedic approach. Harsh Rathod Poke me!  03:17, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Unless you provide more specifics it will be difficult to answer your question. Ruslik_ Zero 06:08, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

talk page
How do you talk to someone on their user page?RaisinBrannen (talk) 23:56, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. You talk to other users (about editing articles, not general chit chat) very much as you've already done here. You go to a user page, click 'Add Topic' and leave them a succinct note or question. It's often a good idea to click the star at the top  of the page to add that person's talk page to your watch list. That user will receive a notification that you've edited their page, and you should receive one when they reply to you.  It's polite - as you've done here - to always sign talk page posts so that it's easy to see who said what and when. If you look at Talk dos and don'ts you'll get a few simple ideas, plus links to our Talk Page Guidelines which go into a lot more detail.  Oh, and well done on making a really informative userpage. It's an excellent example of what a new user should do to introduce themselves, and I wish many other new editors would do what you've done. I do wish you well on your journey into Wikipedia. For some it can be a short, sharp foray into dull territory; for others it can be the start of a lifelong involvement in sharing knowledge and helping to create the world's greatest free encylopaedia. If you've not heard of it yet, do try The Wikipedia Adventure - there are 15 badges you can gain by working through the interactive game. Do come back and ask for more help if you need it (or if my answer isn't as clear as you needed it to be!). Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:43, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Minor thing, on a user talkpage you click "New section". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:52, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

What are these ?
Hi Pharaoh of the Wizards, what is the meaning of (copied from the pune district article). Can it be simplified ?

BTW can anyone popover and check my change request at WikipediaAttad M (talk) 08:13, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm not , but I took the liberty of answering your edit request. Unfortunately, I had to deny it since, as far as I can see, it's unnecessary to make the change you've suggested; I've provide the reason on Talk:Wikipedia. Best, -- ChamithN   (talk)  08:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

But it's better grammer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attad M (talk • contribs) 08:29, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the grammar is fine as it is. Could you point out which part you think is wrong? -- ChamithN   (talk)  08:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I mean nothing is exactly wrong but the "it's" is redundant and is not concise — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attad M (talk • contribs) 09:14, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I disagree: according to the cited source, Wikipedia gets money from its own fund drives, which could be elaborated as it's independent of third-party fundraisers. -- ChamithN   (talk)  10:32, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

"It is owned and supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, a non-profit organization which operates on money it receives from its annual fund drives." V/S "It is owned and supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, a non-profit organization which operates on money it receives from annual fund drives." How can this be misconstrued as meaning third party fundraisers ? Can some other helpers/moderators also take a look at this and leave their opinion. Btw can somebody answer my first question ?(what does the ref{{ stuff do and what does it mean ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attad M (talk • contribs) 10:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


 * You can open a talk page discussion at Talk: Wikipedia (not an edit request) regarding this if you need more input. Also, the "ref stuff" are citations which can be used by readers to verify the accuracy of content on Wikipedia. On Wikipedia, we have to go by what reliable sources say, not personal analysis. I declined your edit request since this citation said {{tq|monies it receives from its annual fund drives}}, as that means, according to the cited source, there's nothing wrong with the original phrasing. Cheers! -- ChamithN   (talk)  11:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


 * ChamithN is right. The two versions of the text you present are equally correct from a purely grammatical point of view, and while it is good to strive towards a style that's not overly wordy, there is no reason to remove the pronoun "its" for reasons of conciseness. Besides, it does add clarity in that it specifies that these are Wikipedia's own fund drives. Regarding your first question, in what way would you like to simplify the reference? The information needs to be there to help the reader find the source, if necessary, and I don't see any redundant info there. But perhaps I misunderstand your question? Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 17:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Bonadea,ChamithN I was going through the material given by ChamithN, and the page goes really deep into the depths about "citation". It has answered most of my queries but also created some new ones, such as: 1 Which "citation" style should I use if I need to add sources ? 2 What are templates ? 3 How do you enable the automated Visual Editor thingy12:16, 13 July 2018 (UTC) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attad M (talk • contribs)


 * {{yo|Attad M}}


 * 1) Use the same citation style that the rest of the article uses.
 * 2) Basically, anything within curly brackets, {{ }}, is a template. On the page where it is inserted, the template will be replaced by other text, defined on the template's own page. (That is, you can't insert any text in curly brackets and have it work as a template - it must be an existing template). More info here.
 * 3) I've never used Visual Editor, but there is a guide at VisualEditor/User guide. --bonadea contributions talk 08:01, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

NPV - rule or intent?
I have recently come to edit Wikipedia after doing edits years ago on various topics. This time, I started by creating an account. I have an interest in egalitarianism, specifically issues around equality between the sexes.

One of the articles I realised that needed enhancing was on the only political party in the English-speaking world to specifically care about men and boys, the UK's Justice for Men & Boys. This, to my knowledge, is a small party (it's only been going a few years) which is active in promoting its aims and objectives including running conferences and doing campaigning. It did NOT put forward candidates for the last (rushed) general election but has done before that and talks of doing so again. As a pressure group and as a political party (it seems to span both definitions) it is an important part in a campaign on what it sees as discrimination against males. The party is openly pro-gender equality and anti-feminist.

There was a proposal for merging the article on this party with an article on it's founder. One person Agreed with some comments, another simply agreed and I disagreed. Days after I started to improve the article, a user with the name "The Vintage Feminist" deleted the article.

My question is, is it in keeping with the intent of holding a neutral point of view that an article on an openly anti-feminist organisation is demoted and (partly) subsumed into another article by someone who is openly opposed to the subject of the article? It seems to me that articles on feminist organisations, while being open to anyone, should not be subject to major alteration or deletion by anyone clearly anti-feminist; and that articles on anti-feminist organisations, while being open to anyone, should not be subject to major alteration or deletion by anyone clearly feminist.

KarenBrittworth (talk) 10:52, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Karen, Do note a username User:The Vintage Feminist is just a user name and the decision from merge request is merge. What is matter is the edit performance by any editors is accordance to Wikipedia guidelines and policies such as an article needs to meet notability guidelines where content is supported by significant coverage from independent, reliable secondary sources where it would be verified. In addition, the content need to write in a neutral point of view. Thank you.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:01, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello again, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you appear to have misunderstood Neutral point of view if you think that "anti-feminists" shouldn't edit articles about feminism and that feminists shouldn't edit articles about anti-feminist political parties (incidentally, I'm not sure how a party can be anti-feminist and pro-gender equality, since the latter is the aim of most feminists). The problem with this understanding should become clear if you think about other types of political party or political - for example, presumably you wouldn't advocate that the Donald Trump article should only be edited by his supporters, or that the British Labour Party should be written only by Corbynites? Cordless Larry (talk) 13:23, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Further information on this:
 * I formally requested that Justice for Men and Boys be merged into Mike Buchanan (politician) on 16 December 2018 diff.
 * Merger tag was added to both articles on 8 January 2018 diff 1 and diff 2
 * The result of the discussion was a unanimous consensus to merge confirmed (as part of a batch) 2 June 2018 diff.
 * If I was in breach of WP:NPOV in any way my request would have been rejected. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Help me with the article.
Hi! First of all I want to state that i am not writing an article about myself. I have chosen a username that resembles the name of the person about whome I am writing the article. I have cited many references of credible newspapers that are not available online. Can somebody please tell me if the material I have provided is sufficient and whether or not I should submit it for publication. Ali Aabid (talk) 12:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)]
 * I see you have changed your username, which is a good thing. Well, you have had an answer, since your draft was speedily deleted on the grounds that it was unambiguously promotional. Before recreating it though, could you post the references you intended to use to Wikipedia talk:Notice board for Pakistan-related topics and get some feedback here? I have the feeling that there are not a lot of "credible" (Wikipedia's term is "reliable") newspapers around without an online presence, but I might be wrong. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:33, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't know honestly, I think I might've wanted to make articles and saw how many potential subjects don't have any article. I just wanted to keep my schedule sorta busy so I can provide enough articles within a time frame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclone of Foxes (talk • contribs) 17:41, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Honors: Postage stamp issued
I have started editing only recently and made mistakes!! I did amend some, but I think I am still below perfect. Experienced editors try to guide me by referring me to read the innumerable topics, reading them causes a circular feeling and I loose track of what my initial problem is/ was! My edits are minor and are additions of a few lines concerning philately. I have some specific questions: 1. Should I start every edit, however minor, on Talk page? If so, will senior editors bring it to standard format and publish themselves? or do I have to do it? Then how? 2. How to know if an image of a postal stamp on online catalog or on the website of the concerned Postal Dept is freely available without any violation of copyright? Kaushwiki (talk) 12:46, 14 July 2018 (UTC)kaushwiki


 * Hi Welcome to Teahouse. It is normal for new editors to do mistakes, and I am one of them. Most newbies would find editing in Wikipedia is a complicated task in their first few months. All of us leart our  from mistakes but as long as we make effort to follow the advice from experience editors, reading the guidelines and policies provided and make effort to contribute positively, you would be on the right track. To answer your question, you dont need to start every edit on Talk pages, as long as any edit you do is supported by independent, reliable secondary source and the content is written in neutral point of view, you are most likely to be on the write path.  Any question on editing, you could always come to Teahouse to seek help, or you can insert help me on your talk page and including what kind of help needed, someone will pop up on your talk page and provide assistance.  As for the image copyright question, I will leave it to other Teahouse hosts, such as user:Nick Moyes, to answer this. Thank you.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:15, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * For starters, I would recommend that you look carefully at how your additions to Miklós Zrínyi were corrected [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mikl%C3%B3s_Zr%C3%ADnyi&diff=849517067&oldid=849508082 here]. Try to understand the format used and try to use that format for future additions you make.—Anita5192 (talk) 16:12, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh dear,, I was hoping somebody else would answer the question about image copyright for stamps. But as named me, I'd better have a go! Normally we just look for the copyright ststement or an acceptable Creative Commons licensing statement on the website to see if it was made freely available or not, but I don't know what the issues are around government release of stamp images. It probably works on a country by country basis, plus the age of the stamp itself. I might suggest you ask this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philately, and be sure you include hyperlinks to the pages of relevance to your query. Sorry I can't offer more assistance in this instance. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:27, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * sorry Nick :), didnt mean to put you in such positon. I mentioned you as you are one of the regular hosts well-verse with image copyright knowledge. Thanks for the reply. Cheers!  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 17:37, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries. You have greater confidence in my knowledge than I do! Nick Moyes (talk) 17:57, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

OSKAR
OSKAR is a upcoming bengai film but wikipedia yet not create any page of this film so I think one page must be create for OSKAR — Preceding unsigned comment added by Satyaharimondal (talk • contribs) 13:18, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to the Teahouse. From the reference you've kindly supplied, I don't think this film project merits a Wikipedia page at this time. You might like to read WP:TOOSOON and WP:NFILM to understand the criteria for having pages about  films, and when it is the right time to have a Wikipedia  page about something or  someone. It would need much more in-depth coverage to show that independent sources have taken note of this film for a page to remain here at the  present time. Of course, this shouldn't stop you starting to draft an article about it in your own sandbox, ready for a time when/if it does indeed meet those criteria. Then, when the time is right, you could then submit it for review. (Oh, and do please remember to sign every talk page post with four keyboard tildes, like this . This shows everyone who has posted what - and when. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:10, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Mei Ling (Kung fu panda)
Is she a fox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitewii1234 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello . Welcome. Our Teahouse is here to help new editors with issues around editing Wikipedia. It's not a reference desk to ask general questions, especially if you could find the answer out yourself by a simple Google search. That said, I generally find Wikipedia a valuable source of information on many topics, so you might like to look at this link which suggests Mei Ling is a Chinese mountain cat, despite their being no sources cited to support this assertion. Please remember to always sign your posts with four keyboard tilde characters, like this . Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:19, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: Hold that thought! Re-reading the link I gave to List_of_Kung_Fu_Panda_characters, I see there are two different Mei Lings in the KFP franchise. It looks like the villanous one is indeed a female fox. So there you go. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:13, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

"Some parts of the edit form did not reach the server; double-check that your edits are intact and try again."
Whenever I switch from visual to source editing mode, I get this error message at the top of the page. Additionally, there is no chart showing the difference between the current version and my edit. This had never happened to me, but recently it's happened every time. I get this on two separate computers, and I can't seem to find any information about it. I'd like to find a way to stop this error message from showing up and to get the side-by-side comparison to show up again. TheTechnician27 (talk) 19:38, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting question. We don't normally encourage posting the same question in two places, but because of its technical nature, which might be linked to a memory issue, I've just reposted it for you at Village Pump (technical). (See here) So please also watch that page for a possible reply there.) Regards,  Nick Moyes (talk) 20:33, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: Already other users are reporting the same problem at the copy of this post at Village Pump. Looks like it's going to be a system-wide bug that gets reported. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Page Removel
Hi, i would like to ask for page removal no encyclopedic value, since its being used for self purposed propaganda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meytal_Cohen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dana341 (talk • contribs) 10:37, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello,, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not really sure - at a quick glance - that I agree with your assessment of the article on Meytal Cohen - the first reference I read was a full page biography in a published book about drummers, and I don't immediately see any Conflict of Interest in editing. However, we do have a system called Articles for Deletion (also known as Articles for Discussion). Any editor who can put forward a rationale for page deletion can propose an article for fellow editors to consider and offer their opinions upon it.  Retention or deletion relies more upon consensus based upon our policies, rather than simply the number of commenters. Hope this clarifies things.  Nick Moyes (talk) 21:06, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Jockey Laura Barry
hope someone would make this article about this notable person that just die today. 49.145.244.119 (talk) 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi anonymous IP user. Sad as the news of the untimely death of this apprentice jockey is, Wikipedia is not a memorial. I suspect her achievements to date as a young sportswoman would not meet our notability criteria. But were they to do so, there is nothing to stop any editor creating a page about her, based on in-depth reliable sources which demonstrate her achievements and notability. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:52, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

is she notable to be made up article? she died yesterday, she has a huge achievement on jockey as a young sorry. 49.148.236.74 (talk) 22:25, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I would say "yes" seeing as I'm finding many news articles about her. I would simply title the article 'Laura Barry', seeing as no other articles exist with her name. TheTechnician27 (talk) 22:29, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, like I've seen many news about her death, which makes notable and the article should be created, hope someone would create. 49.148.236.74 (talk) 22:34, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

I have combined the two identical sections. IP user, please don't create new sections asking the same thing, and also don't use fake user names (I have removed the fake name from your signature). You are welcome to create an account with your preferred user name, but don't add nonexisting user names to your IPs' signatures. --bonadea contributions talk 22:45, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * didn't know it was not allowed as I've seen other users with different name on their signature, as i wanted to make new section so people will see, this person I mentioned was everywhere on the news BTW so this possibly needs to be created. 49.148.236.74 (talk) 22:56, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Creating a new page and article.
I’m a new editor here, and I want to know the procedure to create a page for a band who I noticed Wikipedia doesn’t have on. How may I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stantioner (talk • contribs) 00:09, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear Welcome to Wikipedia! Please refer to Your first article. Regards, Zingarese  talk  ·  contribs  00:23, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Meeting our notability criteria is essential, otherwise pages are liable to be removed. Please see WP:BAND to help you determine whether your band meets our criteria at this point in time. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:29, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Adding information
I have some information about the USS General John Pope regarding some parts left over after her scaraping. But I don’t have any wrighten proof, besides the fact the parts have the ships name (and hull #) on them.

Could I add them to the ships article without any real proof A 10 fireplane (talk) 03:17, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . All information that you add to Wikipedia must be verifiable. By far the best way to do so is to provide a reference to a reliable source that verifies the content. If there is no "written proof", then the information does not belong in this encyclopedia. You could upload photos of the parts to Wikimedia Commons but you cannot draw any conclusions on your own. We do not allow original research. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:39, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Your personal knowledge is not a sufficient reason to make a change on the article, but it may serve to interest a historian enough to write on it, which would be a source. I'm not sure what value that information would have, which is in part why we don't allow the use of personal knowledge here. But if your discovery is written about in a reliable source, then we know at least the author found it important enough to write about. Suggest you contact a naval museum. John from Idegon (talk) 03:45, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ok thank you  I’ll see if someone has wrighten about it.


 * Thanks again A 10 fireplane (talk) 04:29, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

De-stubbing entries
Some entries are really short and deserves to be elongated Also, Some categories should deserve their own entry (such as semi-major characters in a book or other fictional paraphernalia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DÆmÖN MUNDANE++ (talk • contribs) 05:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * Not always. Using your example, a character in a book would need to be written about extensively, as a character, in either popular press or scholarly articles, for there to be enough material to write a separate article about them. If such coverage does not exist, it is much better to have a redirect that points to either the book itself or to a list of characters from the book. The target article could contain a sentence or more about the character, in their proper context. If you find a stub like this, where the stub has too little referenced information to stand alone, the option to expand it with additional references is always there, but turning into a redirect is another option to consider.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 05:39, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

entry on man is the measure by reuben abel
I have the book and extensive knowledge about it, should I create a rudimentary entry for it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DÆmÖN MUNDANE++ (talk • contribs) 05:19, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Whoa, there . You're filling up the Teahouse with your ideas and questions! No, just kidding, we're happy to answer any and all questions here, as long as they're related to editing Wikipedia!
 * I did a quick search on Man is the Measure by Reuben Abel and found plenty of hits offering to sell the book, but only a couple that might count as independent reviews that we might use as sources to a) establish the book's notability and b) provide content to summarize for an article. Please remember that there are a few things we cannot use as sources for an article about a book: sales pages from bookseller sites, student papers, or most blog posts or similar user-generated content (Goodreads, for instance). We also cannot directly use your own extensive knowledge of the book. To the extent that your knowledge of the book extends to knowing where to find good published resources about the book, then that's exactly why contributions from experts are highly valued.
 * If you are inexperienced at writing WP articles, I suggest that you start by creating a draft that does little more than list a few of the most important references you plan to use. Get advice on whether those references are sufficient to establish notabilty for the book; I recommend using the articles for creation help desk for this, since that creates a permanent record that you can point to later. Then, summarizing information from those references, you can begin to build out the text of the article, in your own words, but avoiding the temptation to add your own ideas or analysis. We expect you to walk a narrow path.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 06:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Photo Uploading
Plz tell me guyz how to upload a photo on a article. I want to upload a photo on Nooriabad. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haseebahmad1087 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Go to Special:Upload. You need to be active for 4 days after to make your username.  96.242.88.25 (talk) 11:25, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Dear Jure/De Facto
Under the Anglosphere/English speaking countries, Ireland is listed as a 'De Jure' country, and not 'De Facto'.

This is not alone incorrect, but obviously the wrong way round.

The official language of Ireland is Irish (making it NOT a De Jure English-speaking country). However, it is indeed a De Facto member of the Anglosphere, since English is spoken by almost 100% of the population, 100% of the time.

Wasn't sure how to attempt a manual correction. Involves flags, boxes, etc.

Perhaps someone else can do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Galvin (talk • contribs) 07:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm not sure which article you're referring to: Anglosphere does not contain the phrases "de facto" or "de jure" at all. (The treatment of Ireland in that article does seem odd: it is not mentioned in the lead section, except as an afterthought, and is not listed in the table). But the recommended place for discussing the details of any article is in that article's talk page, not at the Help Desk or Teahouse. --09:42, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * A country can have more than one official language. Article 8 of the Constitution of Ireland says: "The English language is recognised as a second official language." List of territorial entities where English is an official language is correct to list Ireland under "Countries where English is a de jure official language". The listing correctly says "Irish is first official language". PrimeHunter (talk) 11:39, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

What can I do dere?
Does anyone know what to do here? I'm new. SandSsandwich (talk) 02:16, 15 July 2018 (UTC)<font color="#F4A460">SandSsandwich
 * Welcome to Teahouse. Teahouse is a help desk where new editors would ask question on editing topics and understand the Wikipedia culture. So if you are stuck or have a general question to ask, then fire away. Cheers. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 02:44, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * New user or old, one can ask general questions about wikipedia here. The specialised questions go to the respective wikiproject, article talkpage, or similar places. If you cant find venue, asking the question here is a good idea too. Even if not answered directly, somebody would point you to the appropriate venue. For topics other than wikipedia, we have reference desks. I see you have already posted there. Regards, — <span class="monospaced" style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran (talk)  12:33, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Conflict of interest: Draft: Tim Curnow
Please help me to create an acceptable Conflict of Interest declaration. Thank you

Terry Snow

Declaration of Conflict of Interest
Terry Snow and Tim Curnow were students at Auckland University in the 1960s. They had independent careers in different countries, one a journalist in New Zealand, the other a literary agent in Australia. After 40 years, they renewed acquaintance. Because of the notability of Tim Curnow’s career suitable for Wikipedia and because noone else had described this for Wikipedia, Terry Snow edited a potential Wikipedia page titled Tim Curnow, Literary agent. For this page, reliable, independent and reputable sources were used for information. No compensation was paid for this editing. Many thanks Terry Snow SnowbirdTS (talk) 08:32, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty of adding some formatting to 's post to make it easier to read. --ColinFine (talk) 13:18, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * User:SnowbirdTS - Unfortunately, your post is difficult to read, and is not helping. It reads as if English is your second language, although I infer that your first language is New Zealand English. Maybe you are trying too hard. Please ask for advice at the Teahouse about how to complete the declaration and how to resubmit. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnowbirdTS (talk • contribs)
 * Hello, I have added the connected contributor template to the talk page of the article, Draft talk:Tim_Curnow. As it is, it should suffice, but you may wish to say more. Vexations (talk) 12:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Getting Started
Hello Teahouse!!

Very new user here but as odd as this sounds, long time reader of Teahouse threads! I know this has been asked time and time again but I couldn't find what I wanted in the archives. I was wondering if one of you lovely admins could link me places to find lists or articles that need typo help, clean up or have promotional language? Those are the edits I feel most confident doing right now and I'm having trouble finding articles that need that help.

Thanks so much Regar29 (talk) 18:13, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi there and welcome to the teahouse! I'm happy to hear you have an interest in helping work through the backlog of articles that need some typo help or other cleanup. Let's see if I can help you get to the right place! You specifically mentioned wanting to help articles that have promotional language. In general, those articles are likely to be tagged with the template,  . You can view a full list of all of our cleanup-related templates here. In general, those templates will have a link to their respective categories on the left side of the table, and the one provided for those tagged with advert is  (a general category listing articles needing style editing). I may also recommend you take a look at one of our WikiProjects, the Guild of Copy Editors, which maintains various guides and lists about how to copy edit and places to start. Let me know if you have any other questions, I hope this has helped! --  HunterM267  talk 18:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I also started with typos and cleanup and recently became coordinator of the Guild of Copy Editors (GOCE), so feel free to ask me about that. We have a wealth of how-to files at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/How to and organize editing drives.  If you're more interested in typos, there are resources at Typo Team, including lists of common misspellings which link to search queries so you can find any article with a particular typo.  (Just be sure that they're really typos and not part of a proper name, quote, etc.)  You can also go to Backlog for a directory of maintenance categories and the populations of their backlogs.  There is an awful lot of maintenance to do and many areas to choose from.  I used to choose a different one each month, gradually building my competence and confidence as an editor.
 * You can come to me for help as well. Happy editing! – Reidgreg (talk) 14:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Should a page become protected?
Generally, when should a page become protected? I see many pages that editors work hard to keep free from vandalism, but people still come and change things to inappropriate words. Is there a frequency limit for when pages should become protected? A certain number of vandalizing posts per month? Who decides when a page should become protected, and where and when should I suggest this?

Thank you. Ikjbagl (talk) 18:06, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Greetings, Ikjbagl. Requests for page protection are made at WP:RfPP, and that page explains the procedure to follow. There's no specific "frequency limit" with regard to vandalism, but a page is not likely to be protected unless there has been a spate of recent vandalism that can't be dealt with by blocking a particular user. Deor (talk) 18:40, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Orange Justice
Draft:Orange Justice I'm not sure neologism, but is my change ok? to solve neologism. 49.148.250.192 (talk) 22:40, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about a Chinese channel's program
In CCTV, every channel has a category-like program and the actual program is in the "category". I wonder how to describe it in the list page. (Example: Translated version of SpongeBob SquarePants is brocasted in "Amine World" (动漫世界) program in CCTV-14; "Special Program" Xiang Cun Jing Cha Gu Shi (乡村警察故事) is brocasted in Legal Report (今日说法) program in CCTV-12) Mariogoods (talk) 01:29, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Jeep Wrangler
I have a question. What models did the jeep wranglers come with the roll bars that connected with windshield? They would be in 1994 to 1995 i think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmay111 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Teahouse a place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 02:10, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please ask this type of question at the Reference desks. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  02:27, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Merges
How does one effectuate a merge? What are the next steps from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Meristem#Merger_proposal. If there's a wiki article or something on this, I'd appreciate if you could link it.

Thank you, Ikjbagl (talk) 18:18, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! See WP:PROMERGE for that. Hope it helps! <b style="color:purple">⇒ Lucie Person </b><b style="color:purple">(talk&#124;</b><b style="color:purple">contribs)</b> 02:43, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Case of deletion of (all) pictures on Wikipedia that were uploaded from Voice of America website.
There was a user who deleted picture on page Liu Xia (intellectual) recently, saying it is some violation of copyright: User talk:Hanooz. But there are lots of the pictures like that. So can/must we delete all the pictures uploaded on Wikimedia Commons from the Voice of America? There probably are lots of rare images of Dalai-Lama, Liu Xiaobo, and like that. If not, please, can you roll back the picture and notify the user User talk:Hanooz not to delete anymore pictures on Liu Xia (intellectual) page and all over wiki? --PoetVeches (talk) 17:51, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . The problem is not the whole image, it is that the photographs that the demonstrators are carrying are under copyright. I can see why you are confused about this. The image on Commons is mislabeled, saying "solely consists of material created and provided by Voice of America". But Voice of America did not take the photos the people are carrying. It is OK to use the image in an article about the demonstrations because the photos are only a small part of the image (de minimis). But we cannot use the image to show what Lia Xia looks like in an article about him. That is not minimal usage. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:11, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, I can try to understand this nebulous law about the copyright and De minimis (that looks here on wikimedia also: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:De_minimis#An_example). I just insert then the image below in bio on the same page, that will represent the history of  demonstrations to support Liu Xia (intellectual) instead info-box about namely person Template:Infobox person... What about the second part of question, can wiki-users upload images from the Voice of America website on Wikimedia Commons at all?
 * , yes, but only if Voice of America actually made the content. As VOA says here everything produced by them is in the public domain, but their site and broadcasts may include material from other copyright holders. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:33, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot,, for answering. --PoetVeches (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * To clarify further, photos and images created by employees of the U.S. Federal government as part of their job duties are copyright free. This does not necessarily apply to images by state and local government employees. Each agency sets their own policy. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  02:44, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Is AD/BC or BCE/CE preferred on Wikipedia?
I'm not sure which one of these is preferred on Wikipedia for date formats. Does it depend on article? I'm asking because there was an edit on Archaic–Early Basketmaker Era changing BC to BCE, and I'm not sure what to do about it. I tried to search for it, but all I could see was a debate that had been closed, and I could not tell what the resolution was. Can anyone tell me which one should be used? Thank you. Diamond Blizzard (talk) 23:06, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. MOS:ERA is what you are looking for. I hope this helps.  JTP (talk • contribs) 01:55, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * [Edit conflict] see the Manual of Style, Section 11.5. In brief, neither is preferred (though individuals often have a decided preference on this issue), but in any one article only one or the other should be used. Ordinarily it would be determined by whichever was first used in a given article, but there might be grounds for discussing a change where particular factors are thought overriding: for example, it would seem to me to be odd to discuss 3,000-y-o matters in, say, China using a system with an explicitly Christian reference point. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.202.163.217 (talk) 02:06, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The article in question, Archaic–Early Basketmaker Era, is about an ancient Native American culture that originated approximately 9000 years ago. That culture had nothing at all to do with Christianity. Therefore, I believe that the neutral BCE is more appropriate in this article than the Christian term BC. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  03:00, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Abbreviations with parenthesis
I am not sure if I am using abbreviations in an article correctly. I looked thru the Manual of Style/Abbreviations, but I was left confused.

For example, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). When I want to use DRC in another sentence, do I need to have it in parenthesis? Would there be any exceptions? And would it be ok in some sentences in another paragraph to use Democratic Republic of Congo again? Or is the rule, once you use an abbreviation in an article, you need to continue to use the abbreviation? thx MauraWen (talk) 23:25, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * This is a fairly widespread convention. You introduce the abbreviation you intend to use, in parentheses, immediately after the fully spelled out version. All later instances do not use parentheses. For consistency, you would use the abbreviation any place where you would otherwise use the proper noun later in the article.
 * Are there exceptions? There are always exceptions! What do you do when two entities would abbreviate the same way? The abbreviation used on WP should be commonly used in the sources being referred to. We do not make up "new" abbreviations on WP. If you run across a situation where using the abbreviation would cause confusion, it's best to spell the thing out again.
 * The relevant part of the Wikipedia Manual of Style (MOS) is Manual of Style/Abbreviations.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 03:02, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you for explaining that so clearly. MauraWen (talk) 04:29, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Kundan Srivastava
Hi,

Greetings from India!

I am Surbhi contributed an article about Kundan Srivastava, an activist and author from India. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Surbhi20/sandbox

May the same name article was deleted many times, but, this time please look into the article. It has been written by me with best of reliable sources. I would request to administrator to create the same content.

Thanks, Surbhi

Surbhi20 (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Your sandbox version now has 29 references. But most (?all) of these do nothing to establish that the subject is notable, because they include no in-depth discussion of him. Please be aware that when a reviewer considers whether the subject is notable, it's the quality of the sources that will count, not the quantity. If there are references in that list to sources that discuss (rather than mention) the subject, you should make it easier for a reviewer to find them, by removing all the worthless ones. Maproom (talk) 08:24, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Maproom
 * I got your points Sir. Will provide you the same (depth discussion sources about him).

Surbhi20 (talk) 05:26, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

New articles not found on Google search -- why?
Hello, I've been editing for a couple of years and have successfully created new articles in the past. I recently (in the past week) created TWO new articles. However, neither one is appearing on web search. Is there an easy fix for this? Perhaps there is some index coding I need to add that I simply don't know about! Any step-by-step support would be greatly appreciated. The articles in question are biographies of Michael J. Bobbitt and Dina Ellis Rochkind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rider4151 (talk • contribs) 00:19, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * See this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Controlling_search_engine_indexing#Indexing_of_articles_(%22mainspace%22)
 * I'm not totally sure that's what's happening, but it seems to be likely. Basically, new articles are generally not indexed until 90 days have passed, so they can't be found by external search engines.
 * Diamond Blizzard (talk) 00:30, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Diamond Blizzard, for this response. I didn't notice a 90-day lag with two articles I previously created! It makes sense, though. I'll just be patient! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rider4151 (talk • contribs) 02:36, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * Pages are flagged with NOINDEX until either 90 days have passed or they have been reviewed by a member of the new page patrol team and marked as patrolled. The patrollers do their best to get to pages before the 90 day timer runs out.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 02:51, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Wait if the newly article reached into 90 days so it will appear to the top on search bar or engine like searching google?. 49.148.250.192 (talk) 03:25, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * After 90 days, the NOINDEX flag is taken off the page. We don't control when Google or other search engines will discover the page after the flag comes off, but they are no longer prevented from seeing the page after that. You should expect to be able to find the page via Google or other search engines very shortly after the 90 days are up or very shortly after a new page patroller has released it.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 05:29, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

statistics tool on wikiproject activity
Is there a tool available that counts the number of new articles created per month or expanded per month for a specific Wikiproject like WikiProject Archaeology? I know there are a lot of edit counters and information counters on user activity, but I am interested in learning more about the Wikiprojects that I am participating in? I have searched around a bit and cannot find any tools. thx MauraWen (talk) 18:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

start here. 96.242.88.25 (talk)


 * welcome to the Teahouse!
 * Articles can be tracked by WikiProject through the categories added to the article talk page where a WikiProject banner template exists, such as . Petscan can be used to cross-index articles by category, though I'm not very familiar with it and I'm not sure if you can find recent changes this way.
 * An easier way might be to check some of the lists generated at WikiProject Directory. You might specifically be interested in something like WikiProject Women in Red/Showcase.  These lists don't always have consistent naming across WikiProjects, so a good way to find them is to go to a recent article like Meryem Benm'Barek-Aloïsi, click on  in the sidebar, and look for any links to Wikipedia-namespace pages.  And look, it shows WikiProject Women's history/New articles and WikiProject Women writers/Metrics.
 * If you want to look for editors who have recently contributed to a WikiProject, then there are pages like WikiProject Directory/Description/WikiProject Women's History where you will find yourself listed.
 * I hope that helps! Thank you for supporting WikiProject Women in Red and creating women's biography articles! – Reidgreg (talk) 13:19, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! those are very helpful links. MauraWen (talk) 14:00, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * you're welcome! Another way to find pages is with a prefix search using the page name for the WikiProject.  So in the search box on any page, if you enter   it will find all of the sub-pages for that WikiProject. (Full instructions at Help:Searching). Happy editing! – Reidgreg (talk) 10:53, 16 July 2018 (UTC)