Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 850

Rejected yet better than accepted articles in the same space... what gives?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hunger_Relief_International

I fail to see how the HRI article reads like an advertisement. I worked a long time to get it neutral and in large part believe I accomplished this. If it wasn't neutral in select areas, perhaps a contribution could have been made rather than a summary rejection that it was unworthy to be posted on a user-generated wiki? I'm fairly new to wikipedia and want to learn more and help out as much as I can. But I'm completely flummoxed how some pages can get approved while ones like mine (above) can be dumped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feed_the_Hungry has almost zero content and it was accepted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feed_the_Children contains 6 out of 14--or nearly half of all references--going back to it's own website (obvious self-promotion).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hunger_Relief_International only has 2 of 8 references going to its website (for financial and charitable work references).

In addition to Feed the Children having 50% of links promoting their homepage, FTC also lists charity watch organizations like Guidestar and two local news channel websites. (Those two news references, by the way, were about fraudulent activities by their president--not for anything great they were doing).

Hunger Relief International only has 25% of references linking back to hungerreliefinternational.org (again, as financial and charity work references), also lists charity watch groups like Guidestar, and then follows with links to CNN, Forbes, and two separate non-profits.

I have no part with HRI--neither as donor, volunteer, employee, contractor, member, user, etc.--but if FTC and FTH's article is passable, how does HRI get rejected?

Thank you and I appreciate your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Influentialchristian (talk • contribs) 04:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The argument "I've found a crappy article in Wikipedia, and am therefore justified in creating another one" will not convince anyone here. If you are here to improve Wikipedia, and you find an article which does not meet Wikipedia's standards, you should improve it until it's acceptable; or if that's not possible, you can propose it for deletion. On the other hand, if you're here to promote something, that's not what Wikipedia is for. Instead, use some site such as Facebook where promotion is permitted. Maproom (talk) 12:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

2004 Taylor oil spill
I just started 2004 Taylor oil spill. If you're new and interested, expanding this could be good practice. It's all over the news. If this post is inappropriate, please remove it. I just thought newcomers might like it. I'd be happy to meet them and work together. Cheers! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:20, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Publishing Pages
How to publish my own page, I have one ready. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contributer7 (talk • contribs) 08:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi,  and  welcome to the Teahouse. If you could link to the draft article you've prepared, we can offer some feedback to you on its readiness for publication. Alternatively, you can use the Articles for Creation Wizard and receive feedback there.  Nick Moyes (talk) 08:38, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Could I please have feedback on my article I drafted. Thanks in advance! -Max Draft:Karolina Watras — Preceding unsigned comment added by Contributer7 (talk • contribs) 10:57, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * thanks for your question. As it is, that article would not be accepted to Wikipedia, because there is no credible claim that the subject is significant.  The only references are the school directory (which confirms that she works there) and a FaceBook page (which is not a reliable source at all).  Please read the page at "WP:ACADEMIC" carefully to understand the criteria for teachers to be listed in Wikipedia.  Especially, read the list under Criteria a couple of times.  Then consider whether your subject can meet those standards - if so, start by collecting reliable sources that discuss her in depth to show how she meets those criteria.  Feel free to come back and ask here again if you have questions after reading those criteria. --Gronk Oz (talk) 13:52, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

How to get my father credited with his artwork : File:Les Girls.jpg
My father, John Fernie, was an artist and many of his items show up on Wikipedia without any mention of the fact that it is his work. We don't want any renumeration we would just like to have him credited.

Please see File: Les Girls.jpg for an example. His info is here: www.johnfernie.com

I would love to have a page created for him... can I hire anyone to make the submission?

Thanking you in advance for any help.

Bruce Fernie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.181.163.32 (talk) 11:01, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I took a look at File:Les Girls.jpg. The information about that file indicates that the copyright is probably owned by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, and the picture is considered usable on Wikipedia under "fair use" principles. It seems likely that your father signed over his copyright rights to MGM. I don't think there is any article on Wikipedia that discusses the picture itself, so there is no obvious place to put a discussion about who created the poster. Regarding your suggestion to hire someone to create an article about him – please know that paid editing of Wikipedia is rather discouraged. There are some guidelines and policies about that. Even the idea of unpaid editing about topics that someone is very closely associated with at the personal level is a very tricky one. I suggest starting by looking at WP:COI and WP:Paid editing. —BarrelProof (talk) 14:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Bruce, any author who chooses to write a biography will need references to secondary sources about the subject.... see WP:CITE and WP:N. You could add those sources to your web site.... then you could request an article be written; see WP:RA.  If you choose to edit Wikipedia yourself; I suggest you register a user name and use it exclusively - put a WP:COI declaration on your user page if needed. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Bruce. Just going to add that it might be possible to add your father's name to file information for "Les Girls" file by adding the parameter Graphic Artist to the Non-free use rationale poster template being used for the file's non-free use rationale so that it appears on the file's page, but I don't think there's much more than that which can be done unless you can clearly provide a reliable source which is independent of your father or anyone/anything connected to him which can be used to verify that he created the poster art for the movie or which discusses his involvement in the process for creating the poster for the movie. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I just added that. After a bit of web searching, I also found a substantial amount of other very nice artwork by Mr. Fernie – most of it posted by his son – e.g., at http://www.johnfernie.com/, https://www.facebook.com/John-A-Fernie-Artist-184134758285335/, and https://eu.art.com/gallery/id--a229894/john-fernie-prints.htm. Unfortunately, I did not find any of what is known on Wikipedia as WP:Reliable sources that discuss him. —BarrelProof (talk) 14:06, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

new page/timing
hi. I've submitted 24 August 2018 a new page (subject "Edward Williams Architects") but I've no news about it since then. could you please tell me anything about the revision/publishing timing? thanks! silvia

link to page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Silvia_cesa_bianchi/sandbox — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silvia cesa bianchi (talk • contribs) 10:45, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Your draft hasn't been reviewed because you didn't submit it. To do so, add   to the top of your draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * But I don't believe the draft will be accepted in its current form,, because it does not

cite any references that are about the practice, rather than the organisation it is associated with, or the people involved, and so does not establish that the practice is notable in Wikipedia's special sense. In addition, I'm not sure that any of the sources are independent of the practice: 3 and 4 might be (they're behind paywalls, so I can't see them) but the rest are not. --ColinFine (talk) 15:32, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Helichrysum mundtii: wrong interwikilink?
Hi,

I clicked on random item in Wikidata which guided me to that article in the vietnamese wikipedia: vi:Helichrysum_mundtii The article refers to the english wikipedia, but the article doesn't exist: en:Helichrysum_mundtii. The language in Wikidata was only set for Vietnamese in Wikidata. How should I proceed?

Thanks for the help. Best regards --Hundsrose (talk) 16:23, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The link wasn't through Wikidata but was hard-coded in the vietnamese article. I have removed the link. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:41, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, David Biddulph ! --Hundsrose (talk) 17:05, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

SAM SAILOR - I EDITED BOB STANFORD ARTICLE
Just left it in my sandbox. Is there a protocol for taking you up on your offer to help me add the URLs and other references? snapperdoctor. Snapperdoctor (talk) 15:35, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi - will "ping"  for you.  Generally, you could simply leave a message on their talk page.  Onel 5969  TT me 17:40, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * (edit-conflict) Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. to notify ("ping") another user, you can either use a template like  in your signed message or contact the user with a message on their personal user talkpage. I'll ping  here to notify him of your question. GermanJoe (talk) 17:42, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you both, and, I have followed up on Draft talk:Bob Stanford. Sam Sailor 19:40, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Checkbook.io
David.moreno72

Thanks for reviewing the submission. Per wikipedia guideline(s):

"significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondarysources that are independent of the subject:"

Here are some citations, I've included them in the submission article too. As you'll notice there are multiple citations spanning about 2 years

May 2016 https://www.ca.com/us/modern-software-factory/content/the-company-checkbook-goes-paperless.html Wired.com (both online and in paper form, alexa rank ~450 in the US ) is a published, reliable and secondary source, and offered significant coverage of the company independent of the subject i.e. independent of Checkbook.io, unrelated to any press releases or communication efforts of Checkbook.io

July 2016 http://www.digitaltransactions.net/with-checkbook-a-payments-veteran-creates-a-souped-up-engine-for-check-21-clearing/ Digital Transactions is a published, reliable and secondary source, and offered significant coverage of the company independent of the subject i.e. independent of Checkbook.io, unrelated to any press releases or communication efforts of Checkbook.io

Aug 2017 https://theamericangenius.com/tech-news/checkbook-device/ American Genius is a published, reliable and secondary source, and offered significant coverage of the company independent of the subject i.e. independent of Checkbook.io, unrelated to any press releases or communication efforts of Checkbook.io

Oct 2017 https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/checkbookio-offers-digital-checks-and-invoicing-services Accounting Today is a published, reliable and secondary source, and offered significant coverage of the company independent of the subject i.e. independent of Checkbook.io, unrelated to any press releases or communication efforts of Checkbook.io — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleeereza (talk • contribs) 17:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , this one is for you. Sam Sailor 19:43, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Same question (and ref list) also posted at Help. And at the Draft. Although does not appear that these references have been incorporated into the draft yet. And Aleeereza needs to declare COI on User page as ex-employee of the company. David notMD (talk) 19:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Contents Box
I'm trying to clean up my User Talk page, and I can't figure out how the contents box at the top of the page works. If I delete some of the entries, the box stays, and if I delete some other ones, the box remains. How do I figure it out? Purplemoonsong (talk) 20:28, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * To me, looks like very few edits to your User page (which other editors can easily see) and lots of experimenting with your Sandbox, which is your semi-private workspace. David notMD (talk) 21:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The TOC box comes up automatically once you have 4 entries. You can find out more about customizing the TOC at WP:TOC.  Onel 5969  TT me 21:07, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

How is a redirct accomplished?
Is a redirect accomplished by adding brackets around the word to be redirected? Example xxxxx and the redirected word is automatically then highlighted in blue indicating a redirect? Gerald T. Ahnert (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2018 (UTC)Gerald T. Ahnert
 * , if you mean a redirect page where one directs to another (such as sufficient and necessary conditions being a redirect to necessity and sufficiency), the help page at Help:Redirect should give you all the information you need for making redirects of various types and the syntax. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:16, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * - Redirects are specific pages with no content, which simply exist to redirect to the correct article. For example At The Stage Door redirects to At the Stage Door. There is no content on the first link, it is simply there in case someone types in a capitalized variant of the true article.  If that is what you are asking about, then  has pointed you in the right direction. However, what you seem to be describing is simply linking pages.  So in an article about Christy Cabanne, if I wanted to link to the film, At the Stage Door, I would simply put brackets around the title (not including the '' ), and the words would turn blue, indicating a link, At the Stage Door.  If you put brackets around a word or phrase, and there is no article about it, that creates a redlink, like It's Up to You (1936 film).  Hope this helps.  Onel 5969  TT me 21:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Problem uploading newly created drawing file


I recently had no problem creating a 'Butterfield Schedule" file and entering it in "Butterfield Overland Mail." I recently created another commons file for "Butterfield's Stage (Celerity) Wagon," but somehow got the data code in Image and Thumbnail command to upload only the file for the text and not the drawing into "Butterfield Overland Mail." I would like to delete my recent entry into commons for Butterfield's Stage (Celerity) Wagon and start over. When I complete it, which do I copy and past on the Butterfield Overland Mail site, the "Image" or the "Thumbnail?" Thank you. Gerald T. Ahnert (talk) 02:10, 19 October 2018 (UTC)Gerald T. Ahnert
 * I've just spotted that this question of two days ago has gone unanswered. Sorry about that. The image you uploaded looks ok to me. You insert it  into an article as a 'thumbnail', and you get the text for that by clicking the "W - use this file" link.
 * If you got the text wrong when you uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons, you can change it by clicking the 'edit source' tab. If you uploaded the wrong image version, you can upload a new version using the link lower down on the page, in the section headed 'File History'.
 * Please note that if you add images to Commons, just as here when creating a new article, it really helps everyone to add it to a category. As one exists for the Butterfield Overland Mail Company on Commons already, I have just added it to the two files you uploaded. See C:Category:Butterfield Overland Mail Company.
 * I note that your other upload has been nominated for deletion and that you added 's comments here to that discussion page. Whilst we have no influence over the pedants good people over at Commons, who really know and are rigorous in implementing the stuff on copyright to the letter, I do admit to being a little surprised at this deletion proposal. It may have been that the image itself was out of copyright, but that it has been challenged because you declared it to have been copied from a recent publication which itself was copyrighted. I didn't actually think that mattered if the original material from 1858 was out of copyright, but I'll watch and learn from how it is dealt with. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Nick: Thank you for taking the time to help out with suggestions for the dilemma concerning the possible deletion of the Time Schedule. A coincidence may solve the problem. I have written many articles and reports concerning Butterfield's Overland Mail Company and was requested by the California Department of Parks and Recreation to contribute articles on the subject to their site. I have written two articles about Butterfield for them. About an hour ago I was on their site to see if there might be more information to contribute. I was looking at what they have for Butterfield's Overland Mail Company and lo and behold I came across an article on their site about that same exact time schedule. They show a copy of it and even have "View and Download Overland Mail Company Timetable" for the general public. I just sent this info to the Commons and hope this will solve the problem by using the California Park Service site. Probably all I will have to do is change the reference. Here it is if you would like to give a look: http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=25066 Thanks again for going out of your way to help. It seems I have a long learning cycle to complete but I will eventually get there. Gerald T. Ahnert (talk) 00:56, 22 October 2018 (UTC)Gerald T. Ahnert


 * @Ahnert glad to hear you found another source, by the sound of it your first source may have lifted the table from the government page. not illegal but shady not to give credit and creates problems for anyone trying to give proper credit

@Nick You are right that "out of copyright" material republished cannot claim new copyright but there is a hook to that especially evident in images ... if i publish a map from 1858 for instance having drawn an arrow pointing to something upon it. that image becomes a new unique thing and thus copyrightable. so i can understand pedants good people being squeamish about the use of out of copyright from an in copyright source. Hopefully the publication credited source of item (so it could be acquired directly) or a library search might find that or another copy, again, allowing for a cleaner acquisition. --Qazwiz (talk) 22:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

anyone willing to help with a complex edit?
First, i assume the following:
 * one is not allowed to create/edit a relative's biography page
 * or "businesses" involving a relative
 * no dis-ambiguous entries without at least one blue link

thus to do what I'm thinking about I would need another editor at a minimum.

I have a non-familial relative Named Mike Jones. He is a musician and the lead singer of "Seven Reasons" which has two self published albums (hard rock genre) and a small following in the SW Michigan/North Indiana (USA) area. (a few other avid fans also)

there has been a lot of stir about both the band, Seven Reasons, and it's Lead Singer Mike Jones , but so far it's just warming the pot, with little boil. I'm not sure that Seven Reasonsis significant enough for a page but after I tried to refollow Mike only to later find i had written the Rapper of the same name, i wanted to add a dis-ambiguous page entry.

suggestions? or Volunteers? --Qazwiz (talk) 21:12, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for being aware of the conflict of interest. First thing, you say "with little boil."  What do you mean by that?  Are the subjects notable, per WP:NMUSIC? RudolfRed (talk) 21:38, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I echo what RudofRed said, acknowledging you for being up-front about your conflict of interest. But I'm afraid that disambiguation pages exist to help people find things within Wikipedia. Until there is an article about Jones (which depends crucially on there being sufficient independent published sources about him to establish notability), he should not appear in a disambiguation. --ColinFine (talk) 22:18, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

thank you both for prompt reply. checking WP:NMUSIC i have to admit he may be close but not yet, albums were effectively "self published" - he has had a few local radio appearances none national - closest he has gotten to qualifying is he was rejected for The Voice this year. if his audition is broadcast, will see soon, he might qualify for a dis-ambiguous page link to the shows page as having participated, but definitely not an artist page... at least not yet :-). thanks again for replying --Qazwiz (talk) 22:41, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Follow-up to Permission Error.
Hello,

I have made several edits to the page entitled driving simulator, but the last one was not successful and I cannot find a way to correct it. I am new to wiki and have difficulty even maintaining a dialogue with the people who have helped me before. please advise.DriverSafety (talk) 03:14, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi - here are a few links which can help you get started on editing on Wikipedia:


 * Introduction and Getting started
 * Contributing to Wikipedia
 * The five pillars of Wikipedia
 * How to edit a page and How to develop articles
 * Finally, the best way to ask for help is to leave a question on either the talk page of the article you are attempting to edit, or the talk page of the editor who has reverted and/or changed your edit. Hope this helps.  Onel 5969  TT me 03:41, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

What are some good places to read about Wikipedia editing policies
Hello, I'm pretty new on this site. Can someone point me in the right direction where I can learn about Wikipedia policy. I'm interested in adding links, editing pages, creating new pages, and anything else I should be aware of. Also, I'd like to learn more about the talk function...how to reply and ping users, etc. Thanks! --Seahawk01
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Start by reading Policies and guidelines and following the links. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  02:18, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Also read Talk page guidelines. On a more abstract level, Five pillars describes the "fundamental principles" of Wikipedia. Cullen328  Let's discuss it
 * Hi ! Sounds good, thanks for taking the time to point me in the right direction! User:Seahawk01
 * Here are a couple of more good links for you, : How to edit a page and How to develop articles  Onel 5969  TT me 03:43, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Great, super :-) Thanks! Seahawk01

Is a userbox a template?
Hello, I'm Rebestalic.

I have a short question--is a userbox a template?

Thank you, Rebestalic (talk) 08:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

(P.S. Disappointing that the Teahouse is now semi'ed.)
 * Hi, . I don't think there's any reason in principle why you shouldn't code a userbox directly on your User page if you want to. But normally they are templates, so that they can be reused, or have other templates based on them. --ColinFine (talk) 09:52, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, mistyped your name in the ping . --ColinFine (talk) 09:53, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * A userbox is usually considered a template regardless of the namespace. A template can both be defined as a page in the template namespace and as a page with code intended for transclusion. Do you have something specific in mind with the question, e.g. where to save a userbox, or where to nominate it for deletion, or how to use it? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:07, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Re: protection. I agree it's a trifle kafkaesque for this page to be protected until 24 October with would-be editors directed the talk page...which itself is protected until the 29th. ——  SerialNumber  54129  10:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Query re Talk Page
Hello, please could someone direct me to any articles or information that show and/or explain how an article's talk page should be constructed (in an ideal situation) where there are several people editing? As a newbie, it all seems a bit confusing and I think I'm adding to the confusion! Thanks &#42;ptrs4all* (talk) 10:12, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hopefuly Help:Talk pages will provide some answers – but if it does not, please ask more specific question. Especially if you mean some specific issue with some specific talk page. --CiaPan (talk) 10:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks CiaPan. There is no specific issue. &#42;ptrs4all* (talk) 14:08, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Semiprotecting a page
Hello, I'm Rebestalic.

Tsar Bomba is currently suffering heavy vandalism; is there a way that I can assign semi-protection to the article?

Thank you, Rebestalic (talk) 21:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey Rebestalic. I have reverted the edits in question. For future reference, you can request that a page be protected at Requests for page protection, but it usually requires levels of vandalism that are more like a few vandals every few minutes, rather than a few vandals in a day, which can normally be solved just by reverting them.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  21:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * My gosh, a reply within ten minutes! Unbelievable.
 * Rebestalic (talk) 21:12, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft: New Fortress Energy
Hi, I created a draft page for an energy company, New Fortress Energy. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:New_Fortress_Energy. It was rejected for not being worthy of a Wiki page. However, the company operates around the world and was founded by American billionaire Wes Edens (who has a wiki page himself) and is associated with an investment firm that also has a wiki page). I've added a Wall Street Journal article and a few others, added reference to Edens. But I wonder if there is more I should do prior to re-submitting for consideration. Thanks for the help. It's the first page I'm attempting to create. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FactCheckerPNW (talk • contribs) 19:21, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey FactCheckerPNW. The rule I go by is "try to find as many reliable sources as you can, add what they say, and when you run out of sources, stop writing." Now, if you run out of sources and all you have is one or two sentences, then the subject likely does not yet meet Wikipedia's standards for notability. Having said that, what you really need are sources that deal with NFE in particular and in depth. No matter how notable related people or business may be, that doesn't help us really write an article about this company, and do it without going past what the sources say. Whether we can write a well sourced article (that wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb in a traditional encyclopedia) is really the heart of whether a topic is notable enough to have an article.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  21:18, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Interested in organizational aspects of helping out
Hello again. I think my skills lie more in organization than writing. Also, I'm good at research and sourcing references. So, I'd like to see how to get involved in those things. I have created one category page to link some topics together, left a note on one wikiproject page and added to another wikiproject todo list. Any other suggestions in how to get involved? My interests are affordable housing and fourth amendment rights. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahawk01 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . There are many different ways to contribute to Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia) that don't involve creating articles from scratch, but focus more on Wikipedia:Maintenance. There are almost 6,000,000 existing articles and almost all of these can be improved upon in one way or another; so, there's never really a shortage of things to do. Some edits focus on simple copyediting such as correcting spelling mistakes, etc., whereas others look for formatting/syntax issues which need fixing. Many articles are tagged with maintenance templates to indicate they need attention, and many of these articles can be found on tracking category pages such as Category:Articles lacking sources, etc. So, if this is the type of thing which interests you, then perhaps Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors, Wikipedia:Random page patrol or Wikipedia:Cleanup might be of interest to you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:55, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the reply! Random page patrol and wiki cleanup squad actually sounds kind of fun :-) Seahawk01 (talk) 01:03, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Problem with someone using my artwork and falsely attributing.
There is some of my artwork (drawings & photos) on Wikipedia that are being falsely represented as someone else’s work. Wikipedia contributor Dandlyin is using artwork drawn by me and claiming it as his own. I will tackle these one at a time. The first is in Wikipedia’s Dragoon Springs, Station. The station plan at the bottom of the site is my drawing. Look in the lower right-hand corner and you will see my name (very small—so Dandlyin probably didn’t notice) “Drawn by Gerald T. Ahnert.” In the copyright information under is the following: Description: Station plan showing the sleeping rooms of the Butterfield employees during the massacre of September 9, 1858. Date: 1 January 2013 Source: Own work (Note for above. As you can see this is not his own work.) Author: Dandlyin (Question to help me out since I am a newbie to Wikipedia. Does “Author” mean the one who created the artwork or the author of this contribution to the commons?)

There are two others on the site that he does attribute to me in the “Description” and gives a date that I created them as 2013—which is correct. But to get around the copyright requirement of them not being in the public domain, Dandlyin states that the “Source” is his “Own Work” and that the Author is “Dandlyin.” Why was this accepted—is there something I don’t understand? Under this heading is the statement why this can be used under the copyright regulations: “I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publish it under the following license.” As can be seen this is not true—I am the copyright holder. This also is true for the photo of the stage station and the other drawing. As a newbie, I am trying to keep an open mind and may not understand the situation for the above. I am flattered that there are many references in Wikipedia to my work. I want the public to have the true history concerning Butterfield’s Overland Mail Company, for which this stage station was a part. To keep the peace, I would like to contact Dandlyin and have a civil conversation about this subject—maybe we can sort things out. But I don’t understand how I can contact the person. But first I would like your clarification and suggestions. Gerald T. Ahnert (talk) 13:48, 23 October 2018 (UTC)Gerald T. Ahnert

Gerald T. Ahnert (talk) 15:45, 23 October 2018 (UTC)Gerald T. Ahnert
 * Hey Gerald T. Ahnert. I have nominated the images for deletion on Wikimedia Commons. You can see the deletion discussion at c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Dandlyin. If you would like to license the images for free public use, so that they may be used on Wikipedia, you can do so by following the instructions at WP:CONSENT, but Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and users should not be uploading images and claiming them as their own work when they are not.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  13:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep: The attribution for the three files is now acceptable to me.Gerald T. Ahnert (talk) 01:43, 24 October 2018 (UTC)Gerald T. Ahnert


 * I was just contacted by Dandlyin and as it turns out I know the fellow. I will not pursue this any farther and will have a conversation with him. He is an alright fellow and I am actually pleased he is using my material. What will probably happened is that we will find a way to amiably add some more information to the artwork to satisfy both our needs. This was also a learning cycle for me since I want to also correctly add correct copyright information to my new entries. Thank you for the explanation which helps. I have no more problems with this issue. I will try to take care of the deletion notices after he and I get together to amiably solve the issue.
 * Gerald T. Ahnert (talk) 15:45, 23 October 2018 (UTC)Gerald T. Ahnert


 * Hi . I'm assuming that File:Station Layout Drawing.jpg is one of the files you're referring to above; if it is, then it's uploaded to Wikimedia Commons which means there's not much which can be done here on Wikipedia about the file. Commons and Wikipedia are sister sites and images uploaded to Commons are often used in Wikipedia articles, but each site has it's own particular policies and guidelines. You might have to contact the Wikimedia Foundation directly per wmf:DMCA takedowns or wmf:DMCA Policy if you believe your copyright is being infringed upon. You can also try to tag the file for speedy deletion as a copyright violation per c:Commons:Deletion policy or nominate the file for deletion per c:Commons:Deletion requests since these are two common ways files are deleted from Commons; you may, however, be required to provide proof of copyright ownership in either case. As to why this type of thing happens, sometimes people find content online that they wish to use in a Wikipedia article, and they just choose the first license option they are offered when they upload the file. Many people are not familiar with copyright law, and mistakenly assume that finding something online, downloading it onto their computer and then uploading it to Commons makes it their "own work"; so, they choose that license. Others might assume that anything available for free online (i.e., something they don't have to pay for), must be free from copyright protection as well. I'd imagine most people just don't know any better, and aren't intentionally setting out to violate someone else's copyright. Moreover, all editors on Wikipedia and Commons are volunteers; there are no full-time employees checking whether files are licensed correctly and there's no pre-upload vetting of files. This means that files only get reviewed when they are flagged for some kind of issue. If you'd like to discuss this with the editor(s) who uploaded the file(s) in question, you can post something on their respective user talk page(s). Editors who edit on both Wikipedia and Commons tend to have a user page and a user talk page for each site; so, you can leave a message on one or the other talk page and see if you get a response. You can find an editor's user talk page by clicking on their name and then clicking on the "Talk" tab next to their user name. One thing you need to be really careful about when discussing things like this on Wikipedia is Wikipedia:No legal threats; you can try to civilly discuss the issue with the uploader, but you should refrain from making any threats of off-Wikipedia legal action against another editor because doing so will lead to your account being blocked. Your best bet would be to only discuss legal matters directly with someone at the Wikimedia Foundation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:29, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * An amiable solution to this has been achieved with satisfaction to both parties with the addition of attribution. I have just posted a "Do not delete" notice in the deletion notice on the commons site. Thank you for your help.
 * Gerald T. Ahnert (talk) 16:52, 23 October 2018 (UTC)Gerald T. Ahnert

Need help with rejected draft
I have been working on the following draft article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Matthew_Proman and it has been rejected twice now. I could really use some advice. After the first rejection, I spoke to one of the editors to try and get some insight regarding what qualifies as an independent, reliable secondary source. For example, I had a citation from the SEC that I was told didn't qualify, and that made no sense to me. But after going back and forth a bit, I resubmitted the article. It addressed the "overly positive" language, (I removed it), and had the citations that had been already IDed as meeting the independent and reliable thresholds. But then it got rejected again, and the editor's comments are a bit confusing. I understand wanting more information & citations to give the article body, but I don't understand the issue with the citations I *did* use. They were already deemed OK by a previous editor. Any insights would be appreciated. Navysaylorgirl (talk) 21:42, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . At present the draft has three references cited. I'm not clear what the Forbes entry is - it seems to be nothing more than a rating of the website. It does not seem to me to be a place where somebody unconnected with Proman or his projects has chosen to write at length about him. The NYDN entry I cannot read, because it is not available in Europe; but from the title, it does not seem likely that it is a place where somebody unconnected with Proman and his projects has chosen to write at length about him. The third reference is a list of names.
 * You may notice that I have repeated the phrase "where somebody unconnected with Proman and his projects has chosen to write at length about him": that is the gold standard of an independent source (it also needs to have been published somewhere reliable). Unless you can adduce at least a couple of sources that meet that description (and note that they have to be about the subject of the article, not about something else connected with the subject of the article), the subject does not meet the criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 23:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Forbes is a major industry and finance publication in the US. To have the website of the a company that you created receive an accolade from Forbes in no small thing. It's not an award for website design or anything like that, but for content (product). The NYDN article is about a conference that was hosted by Proman. It was newsworthy because of who he got to speak at the event. Ivanka Trump, Sarah Blakely (of Spanx) and Randy Zuckerberg (of Facebook). Had nothing to do with the writer being connected in some way. That's why I took out all the Huffington Post references, because they were suspect. Since Proman was able to author his own article for Huff Po at one point, it seemed likely there was some possible connection. But there's none for the NYDN article. It was simply a noteworthy event on its own -- and one that Proman brought into being.

I do understand the need to find additional references though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navysaylorgirl (talk • contribs) 02:23, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello and introduction
Hi there everyone,

Thank you for inviting me to the Teahouse. I would like to introduce myself, my name is Howie and I am eager to contribute to wikipedia. I have started editing a few pages and love the new template editor.

I know there are a tonne of resources out there, but I would love to hear tips from more experienced members of how to be a more valued contributor to the community.

Thank you all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howiemann (talk • contribs) 22:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. See here. Thanks! Happy Editing! :) Thegooduser   Let's Chat  🍁  02:32, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Which is the appropriate field?
I have just created a stub Mannem Nageswara Rao and want to add Indian Police Service (IPS) to Infobox. But I'm not quite clear of what it exactly is. Is it a position or qualification or education or rank or something else? Any experts? Kindly guide. Thanks. Capankajsmilyo(Talk 05:02, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Someone changed my editing
I have added the date in which my grandmother died, she was a chess player named "Clara Friedman". Therefore I have edited the page. Someone decided to erase it and asked me if I have a proof. I don't know how to contact him or write a response. Anyway, I have no proof right now besides taking a photo of the grave... she has passed away in 2015. Thanks for helping. Clara Friedman — Preceding unsigned comment added by גליה פרידמן (talk • contribs) 06:29, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You could try citing as a source. Your edit might get removed again as it's not an independent source - or it might be allowed to stand, as uncontroversial. Maproom (talk) 07:28, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Are you sure that is the same person? The image at the PeopleMaven.com profile shows a quite different face, IMVHO... --CiaPan (talk) 08:13, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * (after ec) I can understand you're disappointed, but one of most important rules of Wikipedia is WP:Verifiability. It means any information published here should be supported by external, reliable WP:SOURCES, so that a reader can (potentially) verify what Wikipedia says. That is especially important in case of people – it hurts much less if we don't publish information about someone's death than if we said someone passed away too soon. So, if you can find any public source confirming the fact Clara Friedman died in 2005, it will help in publishing the information at Wikipedia. If you can't, we better wait.
 * BTW, I have found this note: https://www.avelim.co.il/%D7%A7%D7%9C%D7%A8%D7%94-%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%93%D7%9E%D7%9F-%D7%96%D7%9C/
 * I can't read Hebrew, but I asked Google Translate for help. It said this is about Clara Friedman and it mentions a funeral date 15.12.15. However, it does not mention the birth date so I can't know if that's the same person. It also mentions family members, but they in turn are unknown to Wikipedia article, so this doesn't identify the person, either.
 * Can you, please, provide any (WP:SOURCEd!) additional family facts, which could allow us connect the obituary notice with the subject, hence use it to document the death fact/date? --CiaPan (talk) 07:44, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Editor
What happen if I click the publish changes and got denied 9 times? - 114.124.175.218 (talk) 08:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It's simple: You will get blocked from editing because your actions are seen as disruptive. Oh, you have been! Well, there you are. When you come back after your block expires, just edit constructively, and consider using your sandbox if you want to do some test editing. Remember, this is a live encyclopaedia, and we can't simply tolerate people mucking around with our 5 million articles - or the inevitable happens. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

How to add Infobox to Entry
Hi, I'm editing an entry called "International Space Station United States National Laboratory," and I'm having trouble adding an infobox to it. I used the Infobox Laboratory template with Visual Editor, and then filled out a few basic lines for it, but when I previewed the page, the infobox didn't show up. It only shows the title of the entry and nothing else in the box. Can you please tell me how to create this infobox? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfleming458 (talk • contribs) 00:10, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . It looks like had just sorted that out for you, and moved your draft into mainspace too. (no pun intended) Nick Moyes (talk) 01:42, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I just did the move, another more talented editor fixed the infobox. Legacypac (talk) 01:45, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks anyway. It's a great article. I hope will put it forward for Did You Know...? on the Main Page. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:08, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Bikram malati
Bikram malati actor was movie krodh reeleas on 2017 the page create Bikram malati krodh Short film Watch on bit liliys He channel on youtube Comedy channel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alll she be (talk • contribs) 09:17, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is an encyclopedic project, not a venue to promote a YouTube channel or a social medium like Facebook. If you are interested in contributing encyclopedic content, please see WP:About for more information about this project and its purpose - sourced encyclopedic contributions are always welcome. But all other unrelated or promotional edits will likely get deleted, and you should look for other websites to publish such information. GermanJoe (talk) 01:01, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Adding Links
Am I allowed to make references to my work 'live' by linking? or does this come under COI (conflict of interest). There are many mentions of my work, especially in numerous classic album articles where I have given a rating in one of my ((Colin Larkin (writer)) books - (Encyclopedia Of Popular Music and All Time Top 1000 Albums). There are many times when I am quoted by name and/or referenced by my books, but the balance is inconsistent. Sometimes the reference is linked and other times not. Advice as to ruling please. Thank you. Colin Larkin (talk) 08:29, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello . It is not encouraged to add links to your own work (of any kind), because of the possible COI. What you can do is to make a suggestion on the talk page of the relevant article: if you add the template edit request then your suggestion will be put on a list of requests waiting, so somebody will see it even if few people look at that talk page. Then an uninvolved editor can look at your suggestion and decide whether or not it is appropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 09:22, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

About Adding Unreleased Songs To The Page Mars Argo
Hi, i'm new here. I've been editing the page mentioned above, but I have a quick question: are unreleased songs allowed to be added to a discography if it is specified that they are unreleased, or are they not? I am specifically talking about leaked songs. I just don't want to make any mistakes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by El zafiro solitario (talk • contribs) 08:37, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for asking. In general, Wikipedia doesn't care whether things are released or unreleased, real or made up, good or bad, famous or unknown: what it cares about is whether there are reliable published sources talking about them. That is more likely to be the case if they are real, released, etc, but sometimes there is plenty of material about something that hasn't happened or is a complete invention.
 * So, in this case, the question is, what material has been published about these unreleased songs? If the only reference to them is from the artist or their agents, then I would say that they should not go into the article yet; but if a critic, or a writer known in the industry, has written about these songs in reliable published sources, then they can probably go in (with a citation to the source). It is always a matter of judgment, and different editors may make different judgments.
 * One further point: I'm pleased that you want to avoid mistakes, and well done for asking here; but as long as your edits are well-intentioned, the worst thing that can happen is that somebody reverts your edits, and then you can have a discussion with them if you wish. See BOLD for how this works. --ColinFine (talk) 09:32, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, ! Your reply is very much appreciated. I will definitely check to see if any of the songs have credible sources, if I do add them. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by El zafiro solitario (talk • contribs) 09:40, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

thanks for helping. I think we should surf on the internet and discuss something Kim thuy tran thi (talk) 12:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

WikiWatchlister
How can I add a infobox for this page? Thegooduser  Let's Chat  🍁  01:39, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi - There doesn't appear to be an infobox template for essay pages. I looked through about 100 of the essays on Essay directory, and not a single one used an infobox. Now, that by no means was an exhaustive audit, but it I did choose articles from almost all of the categories.  Someone else might know all about it.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:18, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Article's Title
Hello! I am trying to change a small discrepancy in the article title of the organization's name that I work for. The current article title is Wine to Water, but the actual name of the organization is Wine To Water. How do I edit the title of the article? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julietderienzo (talk • contribs) 21:56, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Being discussed Here.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:24, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Scugog
Dear Wikipedia, It has come to my attention that some administrators don't do there research. I had changed the wikipedia page for scugog to repreasent the newest election and change the mayor to Bobbie Drew, but it was changed back to the previous mayor. I would like to spread useful information so which ever asshat keeps changing it back to the previous mayor and council please stop.

Sincerely, Guest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.50.168.130 (talk • contribs)
 * Hello IP editor. It's really not for administrators to do their research - that's actually your job, if you're adding content or correcting articles. We require citations from you to support what you say. I'm in the UK, so how would I know if you say one person has become the mayor, and others have disagreed? That's why well-meaning edits get reverted when their changes are unsupported with evidence. This is even more important if other editors say you're being unhelpful in making your changes. Add a reference, and you can take the moral high ground. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 14:25, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

To upload photos
I don't know how to upload photos to the Wikipedia content, so please somebody reply to my question! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandan DV (talk • contribs) 17:30, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello I am reply. You use page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard
 * Fishingforfangs1 (talk) 17:49, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Good morning Wikipedia!
I am new, I say hello. Thank you for having me my friend Fishingforfangs1 (talk) 17:48, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome, . Do you have any questions about using Wikipedia we can answer for you?  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 17:50, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you Jayron32. I am still learning but I hope to be helpful. Thank you! Fishingforfangs1 (talk) 17:52, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

How to improve an article?
I want to improve the draft Wrestling Revolution 3D.Please tell me how to improve ?Satin17 (talk) 14:28, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You can click edit and start rightaway! Fishingforfangs1 (talk) 17:50, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking at that draft, here are some things that could need improvement:
 * Add spaces after punctuation marks.
 * References should go after punctuation marks, not before them.
 * Add references to reliable sources to establish notability. While there isn't a specific guideline for video games, you can probably assume that they would be similar to those for films and those for books.
 * The text not very readable for those who aren't very familiar with that type of video games. If it uses some word that people unfamiliar with the genre (or with video games in general) can't be expected to know what they mean, either explain them in the article or link to articles that explain them. People who read the article probably haven't played that game or other games similar to it, so don't use words those people wouldn't know without explaining or linking them. When writing about words themselves, those words should be written in italics, but it's probably better to use italics too little than to use it too much.
 * Fix the informal language. "Jumbled up" isn't an expression I'd expect to find an encyclopedia. And it's not really clear what it means. Do the people who look like some real people have the names of other real people? Do they get renamed to weird things like "Asdf" or "Clalc"?
 * So it says there are seven promotions. I don't think what the word promotions means in that context (so that's one of the words you could try to explain or link) but another issue with that list is it should probably be turned into a bulletted list. Like this one, but without the indentation.
 * There's also the option of adding information. But I think the other issues, especially notability, need to be fixed first.
 * I think that should be plenty of stuff to do to that draft for now. – Pretended leer { talk } 18:03, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Dai Sil Kim-Gibson draft approval
Hello all! I hope this is an appropriate place for my request. I have been working on creating an article for the Korean-American documentary filmmaker Dai Sil Kim-Gibson. I am hoping to have my article approved soon and I would appreciate any feedback on how to improve my draft! Draft:Dai_Sil_Kim-Gibson Casey.ha (talk) 18:07, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , I think this is the best-looking draft I've seen linked at the Teahouse in quite awhile. I haven't investigated your sources, but if they're decent, this should pass. Is it ok with you if I edit it directly (I should have asked first)? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:48, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Kya Tum edits not updated
Hi Team,

My edits on Kya Tum is not updated. It is upcoming movie schedule to launch in 26th October.

Please revert on the same asap.

Regards, Onlymailers

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Onlymailers (talk • contribs) 16:53, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . That is because has created three separate draft articles about the page: User:Ratnesh Roop/sandbox, User:Ratnesh Roop/sandbox/Kya Tum, and most recently Draft:Kya Tum. You have been making edits to the first of these, and your edits are visible there, but not in the other versions. (It looks the best-developed of the three to me).
 * Ratnesh Roop, you need to decide which of the three you want to work on, and get rid of the other ones. Normally I would suggest just putting db-user at the top of the ones you want to lose, and an admin will come along and delete them; but because Onlymailers has edited your sandbox, it is no longer just your work, and can't be deleted in that way. You might need an admin to help sort this out.
 * I very much doubt if this film currently meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability: that several people unconnected with it have chosen to write about it at some length in a reliable publication. Unreleased works rarely meet those criteria: see TOOSOON. If I am right, then the draft will not be accepted on review, and you are both wasting your time. (It is possible that the film will become notable after release: but since that depends on somebody choosing to write about it, the draft will need to be substantially rewritten at that point, to be based on what the reliable independent sources say). Certainly at the moment it contains some highly promotional language ("thrill in every shot frame", "promises the viewers a sure shot entetaimnent"). Release dates are completely irrelevant to Wikipedia, (There is no deadline): an article will take as long as it takes to write and review. --ColinFine (talk) 21:22, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

New articles
Hello i was wondering if there was any articles that have not been created or can be recreated in a different way. If you make a list of the articles please post it on my talk page Thanks Canadia  Ninja  21:54, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You may want to visit Articles for creation. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Reinstate Laura Summer page
Hi: Was just in discussion here and was wondering if this is valuable to get my page updated and restored.

Awards

1 nomination  Laura Summer 2018 Behind the Voice Actors Awards Nominated, BTVA Anime Dub Movie/Special Voice Acting Award Best Female Vocal Performance in an Anime Feature Film/Special in a Supporting Role for Digimon Adventure Tri. 3: Confession (2016) As the voice of "Patamon".

Truthfeelsgood (talk) 20:17, 24 October 2018 (UTC)Recent nomination


 * Hi - The article was originally deleted as a result of an AfD discussion back in 2012.  It was recreated as an AfC draft in 2015, was rejected, and then went stale, and after six months the draft was deleted. In September 2016 it was recreated in mainspace, and was speedy deleted since it was an uncited stub of an AfD'd article. It was again recreated in November 2016, and was again requested to be speedily deleted.  That request was rightly declined since the new article did not bear a resemblance to the AfD'd article. After much work, and a much better looking article, it was moved to draftspace in June 2017. It languished in AfC until it was recently resurrected and resubmitted by you today.  It can take up to 2-3 months to get reviewed at AfC.  I'll review it for you today, and make my comments there. However, you have a conflict of interest, and working on an autobiography is frowned on. Please see Autobiography and WP:COI.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 22:09, 24 October 2018 (UTC)