Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 864

My first article for my Organisation
Hi everyone, Few days back i wrote my first article for my Organisation and the article it self is by the name of my Organisation, but some how it does not conform with some of the Wikipedia policies and i wish to know few things; 1) Does i have authority to write an article for my organisation, to whom i'm working for as an employee? 2) The article goes under tagline speedy deletion, why? 3) Its not advertising, its actually informing people regarding our camp but Wikipedia denies to retain it. I choose to add it on Wikipedia as people as us about the details on wikipedia but sadly we are not able to add them?? any alternate suggestions to add them on wikki ? 4) Does i have to declare myself as i'm working for the organisation to keep that page on wikipedia?

TYIA for the suggestions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Writetobharatbalalido (talk • contribs) 07:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) From Wikipedia's perspective, you working for that organization does not give you the authority to write the article. Working for that organization means you have a conflict of interest.
 * 2) As was already explained on your talk page, the draft was tagged for speedy deletion because it was promoting the subject. Also, I'm certain you just copied the text from the organization's website, even though Wikipedia does not have the copyright for that text.
 * 3) "Informing people regarding our camp" is promoting the camp.
 * 4) Yes, you need to declare that you are an employee of the organization on your user page. I will leave instructions on [[User talk:Writetobharatbalalido|your user talk page (which you need to check).
 * You can still start another draft if you follow these steps:
 * 1) Make sure Hail Himalayas's notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.
 * 2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.
 * 3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.
 * 4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.  Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.
 * 5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.
 * 6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.
 * 7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.
 * 8a) If the draft is not approved, read the reasons given there and fix the problem. Do not bother arguing, it will only waste your time.
 * 8b) If the article is approved, do not edit the article. Go to the article's talk page and make edit requests if any further changes need to be made.
 * Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 07:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ian.thomson (talk) 07:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ian.thomson (talk) 07:48, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse.  Yes, you must comply with the requirement at WP:PAID since you are employed by the organisation. It is not possible to write a Wikipedia article for any organisation, but if the organisation is WP:Notable then it will be possible for someone to write an article about the organisation.  Since you have a WP:Conflict of interest, it might be better if you requested an article at WP:Requested articles, or suggested improvements to the article on its talk page.  Please note that the organisation will not be able to control what is written about it on Wikipedia because this is an encyclopaedia, not a publicity website.  To help someone to write an article, you could find some independent WP:Reliable sources in which the organisation has been written about at length.  The Wikipedia article should be a summary of these independent sources.   Dbfirs  07:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * you need to read your own talk page. Maproom (talk) 09:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Adding a page "Artists For Trump Coalition"
Dear Wikipedia volunteers, First let me thank you for your time and effort. It is much appreciated. I have attempted to write a brief page about “Artists For Trump Coalition”. I don’t think it worked as I can’t find it on en.wikipedia.org What am I doing wrong? It’s probably better if someone else writes this brief, how do I get that to happen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bigbillywham

Best, Bigbillywham — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigbillywham (talk • contribs) 11:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You created the page on your user page, which is not article space- that's why it can't be found.  You would need to move it into the main space with an appropriate title in order for it to be seen.  However, your draft is a long ways from that point.  You will need significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources in order for this organization to merit an article.  If you are associated with this organization, you are correct that it would be best if you didn't write about it, as you have a conflict of interest, and allowed an independent editor who takes note of your organization to do so. That would be a strong indicator that it meets the notability guidelines for organizations. It is permitted for you to submit a draft using Articles for Creation, where it would then be reviewed by an independent editor.  You will still need more sources and more text about the organization; any such article should only be based on what the independent sources state and include little if any information from primary sources. 331dot (talk) 11:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Notability issues
Hello, I am trying to get an article (Richard Lawson - Humanitarian) published in some form on wiki. It has been rejected twice for not meeting notability criteria. The trouble is, whilst this person can be linked via financial and legal documents to all the charities he has founded and managed, these don't count to prove notability and the character of most humanitarians is that they don't court publicity! Do I conclude that, despite spending decades raising money for and supporting the needy, this person is simply not the sort of profile that is ever accepted by Wiki?

If so, my second approach is to ask for tips on how to ensure he is mentioned and remembered in another way. I had read something about creating a "merged" article with a current, published page? but I since cant' find out how to do it. Is that an option? A charity he ran, JDF, has a page outlining the US operation (where it began). My subject founded the UK arm of the charity so could I perhaps use this to create a merged page about the charity and then more about him?

Please advise! I am so lost.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by TroopyGirl (talk • contribs) 14:04, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry that you have had difficulty.  I would have to say that I agree with the reviewers who declined your draft.  This person does not seem to have the significant coverage needed to merit an article that complies with WP:BIO, the notability guidelines.  Please understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that only summarizes what independent reliable sources state about article subjects.  If independent sources do not have in depth coverage of a subject, it doesn't merit an article here, regardless of any good work that they do or any other reason. Wikipedia is not a place to memorialize people or what they do.  If you just want to tell the world about this person and the good work that they do, you may wish to create a social media page about them, or start a blog where you write about them and can say whatever you want.  You may find such an alternative place at this page.
 * You might be able to create an article about the UK branch of the charity, or somehow expand the article about the US branch to be more international in scope, but such edits would still require independent sources with indepth coverage. 331dot (talk) 14:14, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

about image upload
i want to just know that how i can upload an image on my new article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryan29bishnoi (talk • contribs) 14:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sign your comments by typing four of ~ at the end.
 * Appears Aryan29bishnoi is referring to Draft:Mukam — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 16:18, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * , you don't upload a photo to an article. Instead, you may upload a photo that you have taken to Wikimedia Commons using the upload wizard, which is linked on every page.  Then you link to the photo using image markup, which we can explain after you get the image uploaded.  Note that the photo has to have been taken by yourself, not given to you by another to use or lifted from any website or publication, and in order for it to be used here, you must license it under a compatible license to ours (CC BY-SA 3.0 License).  This essentially releases any control you will ever have over the use of the photo anywhere, not just here.


 * That being said, your draft has much more serious problems than lacking a photo. In its present state, it will never be accepted into the encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a place to write about things you know about.  Everything here must be paraphrased from a reliable source, and those sources need to be cited. John from Idegon (talk) 19:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Improper use of the term "Democratic"
This is a common error that many make, and probably we all have said it ourselves... but when looking up "Stacey Abrams", who just ran for Governor in Georgia, Wikipedia showed her political affiliation to be "Democratic". Her party affiliation should be "Democrat". It is not the "Democratic" party... it is the "Democrat" party. I hear news anchors using the term improperly on a fairly regular basis. Please advise if I am somehow incorrect, but I believe that you will find this to be true.

Thank you,

Paul Peck — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.5.252.101 (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * You probably want to tell the Democratic Party that, as they appear not to be aware. If you can persuade them to change the name of their party, we'll change the way we refer to them. &#8209; Iridescent 15:08, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed; Paul, I'm afraid you are in error. In fact, "Democrat Party" is usually used as an epithet. 331dot (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The use of Democratic as political adjective does sound odd to those not familiar with that party, but it has been so used for two centuries. The OED has "U.S. Politics. Usually with capital initial. Of, relating to, or supporting the Democratic Party" with many cites back to 1802.  The noun "Democratics" is much older (from 1659).  Db<i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  16:21, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Drafts
How can the public view my draft? Is there anything I should do so that public can see what I contribute? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvs15501 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft, Draft:Indian Locomotive Class WDP-3A, is not yet ready to be widely seen in the main part of Wikipedia. It contains no references at all, so we have no way of knowing how factually correct or significant the locomotive is. It is mostly just an unsupported specification list. Once you have improved it by adding reliable sources, you can submit it for review by adding   to the top of the article. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! "The public" can see your draft at Draft:Indian Locomotive Class WDP-3A, but I'm guessing you're more wondering how to make it an actual WP-article. That may or may not be possible, start by taking the time to read Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners and improve your draft based on that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Question
Is there any way that I can edit articles that need fixing like grammar? So It will just be like the experience of me creating an account for the first time and the software chooses an article for me to work on? Question at the top thanks--I love rpgs (talk) 18:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are welcome to fix any grammar or other issues you find in articles.  You can find such articles that need work by visiting the Community Portal, or you can use the search bar to find articles about topics that interest you. 331dot (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Wikignomes are very welcome. But unless you are familiar with different varieties of English, (US, UK, Australian, etc) have a look at WP:ENGVAR. Sometimes people think they're correcting the grammar or spelling when actually it's fine in the variety of English the article happens to be written in. --ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

actors articles
Hi, first of all my native language isn't english so I am sorry if I make mistakes.I love tv shows and I always search wikipedia to find informations about the show and the actors. I was reading the page about A Discovery Of Witches and I noticed that some of the actors are missing and some of them do not have a page here, so I wanted to create one but it seems very complicated to me so I wanted to know if someone could help or make the articles. I do not work for the production or any of these actors. thank you in advance.Valeria — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valeriaorl77 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Daniel Ezra as Nathaniel Wilson and Freddie Thorpe as Matthieu Beny arethe only actors listed who do not already have a Wikipedia article about them (absence of blue Wikilink). Your best chance at finding an interested editor would be to go to View history for the article, see the User names of people who have contributed to the article, an leave a message on their Talk. David notMD (talk) 20:05, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I will do, I know there are at least three actors that are not listed I know I can edit the article but I don't know how to cite the source, is imdb ok as source? I follow the production's social media accout and they were announced as cast members but don't know how a cource should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valeriaorl77 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Julian Kostov as Timur
 * Rorie Stokton as Timothy
 * Leo Ashizawa as Osamu
 * Sign your comments by typing four of ~ at the end.
 * IMDb not considered a valid source, because anyone can create/change content. David notMD (talk) 01:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

article declined at Articles for Creation
Dear people at Teahouse,

I submitted an article on Wikipedia about myself. In order for me to get this sorted on my YouTube account, I need a Wikipedia page. That is why I am trying to create one.

I am an independent singer-songwriter from Amsterdam and don't have a Wikipedia page yet. However, I created one and it got declined I was wondering if you could help me out with the article. I'm new to this so I'm not sure what I am doing wrong. I got the message from the person that declined the article, that my citation in the article isn't correct. Also, that person mentioned that the article does not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject.

This is the link to my submission: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Macarena_de_Bie#Submission_article_about_Macarena_de_Bie

I hope you can help me out with this! Thank you in advance,

Macarena — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macarenamusic (talk • contribs) 20:36, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The first issue with your draft that I see is that you have no independent reliable sources in it.  As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about articles subjects that are notable as Wikipedia defines it.  For musicians, that is defined at WP:BAND.  You need to meet at least one of the criteria listed there to merit a Wikipedia article.  If you don't, then you can't have an article. Please understand that not every musician merits a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia has (frankly) no interest in what an article subject wants to say about themselves, nor is it concerned with what other websites might require.  This sounds harsh, and I don't mean it that way at all, but that's the way things are.  331dot (talk) 20:44, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Also, you said this in your draft edit summary: "There wasn't a page created for this artist in Amsterdam. So as her manager I created one about her." So who are you? The artist or her manager? If you are two people sharing an account, that's a violation of policy. If you're the manager acting alone, then you're impersonating your client with your comments above.
 * I see that your account has been blocked. Let this be a lesson that you may never use Wikipedia for the purposes of promotion or publicity. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The phrase, "Let this be a lesson", comes off as rather rude. Please don't bite the new editors. They created the article in Draft space, so they were at least trying to follow the rules. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 01:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I added a welcome message on your talk page that provides a lot of explanatory material that will make it easier for you to understand what everyone is explaining to you. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 01:23, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Changing title of existing page
Hi,

I've done this before, but can't remember how. There is a page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleeping_Clergyman on the play "A Sleeping Clergyman" which has been wrongly titled "The Sleeping Clergyman", and I'd like to change it. If anyone knows how to retitle, could you please help. Ref: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Z2mYAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA305&lpg=PA305&dq=a+sleeping+clergyman+1933+london+stage+a+calendar+of+productions&source=bl&ots=mNgLrlaFpz&sig=Hf5LxgR5Cm-e5aIfWschDVz6LdM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjB3uHX5uPeAhXLB8AKHb0mC6sQ6AEwC3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=a%20sleeping%20clergyman%201933%20london%20stage%20a%20calendar%20of%20productions&f=false

Thanks, Beryl reid fan (talk) 20:37, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The process is a page move. Another editor has already moved the page, and left a redirect: A_Sleeping_Clergyman  RudolfRed (talk) 21:04, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanking you (& they!) Beryl reid fan (talk) 21:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

AFC declined on Roberto McCausland Dieppa
The reviewing administrator declined my article  due to insufficient citations  on notability. Is it better to begin anew or edit existing draft ? Deanna Coakley 21:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC) Deanna Coakley  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deanna Coakley (talk • contribs)


 * Hi, Usually I'd suggest amending a draft (even if it requires taking out big chunks of text), but that's somewhat up to you. It's worth noting that you need to give a neutral account of the individual rather than a "this singer is good" style approach. You've got a good picture which almost no drafts at your stage have, which is a plus.


 * However your biggest task is to satisfy the notability requirement. The most common method to manage this for musicians is to find 2 or more (more always better!) high quality, in depth reviews from reliable, independent, secondary sources . There's plenty of other ways to meet musician notability but it's always worth looking for the reviews first as they are the most clear-cut, along with consideration of their work in books etc. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Image Usage
Hi Guys, I have a question. How can I use the images that are in Wikipedia? when can we find the link to use the image. Please let me know. Thanks in Advance!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vijaykumarreddyvoddi0322 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Here are two great pages to read through for a good answer: Image use policy (for how to use images, when, and why). And this page for how to add images (if you wanted to freely license some of your own work for use on Wikipedia): Help:Adding image. If you need to find an image that's already available in Wikipedia, then you can search through the Wikimedia Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Let me know if I misunderstood your question. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 00:15, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Merge Proposal Open Since August
Hello, all! There's been a merge proposal open here since August. I suppose this is where I should request for it to be closed, per WP:MERGECLOSE? I'm not entirely sure. Thanks! &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 22:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The right place to request a closure is at Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure, but if you are struggling with making the request, the Teahouse is a good place to ask for help. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Larry. I'll take it there. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

diplomacy in bio article I created
I have been working on articles for Asian month and created an article about a woman who is Muslim American that I was really happy with. This morning I found that a lot of it has been blanked out, possibly by the person who it's about. I can sort of see why that may have happened and I don't want to get into an argument about it. I also very strongly don't want her to have a terrible experience on Wikipedia (which I feel might happen if I just started getting bureaucratic about it). I left a message on the Talk page for the article, and left her a note on her own Talk page. I'm wondering if there's anything else I could or should be doing here? Thanks for any advice. Jessamyn (talk) 23:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I looked at the page and didn't think WP:Notability was demonstrated with or without the blanked information. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 00:03, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

What is "transclusion" and what is "substitution"? Are there other related concepts to learn?
Hi everyone,

First, I want to thank you all: As a relatively new editor I am feeling increasingly confident (I've learned a lot with everyone's feedback, help, through the scouring of documentation, through failed edit attempts, and through reading discussions and debates in the various Wikipedia fora).

However, I have what feels like an arcane question to ask:

Please explain to me what "transclusion" and "substitution" mean. Be as technical as you need to be as I prefer learning by drinking from the firehose. I am worried that not knowing the difference between these concepts has me using outdated templates. For example, one template I've learned to use is the to-do list template. I used to create a continuous comment thread on talk pages while editing (so that future editors could follow my reasoning and suggested future edits), but that was tedious. However, I've noticed that no one seems to use the to-do list template in the first place. Is it out of date because of transclusion or substition or something (this is just a random hypothetical example)? By using any inactive templates am I somehow leaving a mess behind me that other editors will need to clean up?

Thank you for your time,

Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 00:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Try WP:Transclusion and WP:Substitution, both linked from Help:A quick guide to templates. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:10, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Dropdowns
How do I add dropdowns and other visual elements in my draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvs15501 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Please clarify what you mean by "dropdowns". I don't understand.
 * But what I will add is that before you worry about superficialities of presentation, you should address the fundamental problem with your draft Draft:Indian Locomotive Class WDP-3A: the complete lack of sources. An article without sources is, in a sense, completely worthless, because a reader has no way of checking whether anything in it is correct or not. Please read WP:REFB, and address that matter before spending any time on any other aspect of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Help with article title
I need some guidance I have created a draft in my sandbox. I need some ideas, especially for title. As the article states there are two John Ferrars, 1st cousins living at the same time. One has left significant and voluminous notes and letters in the Ferrar Papers of the Virginia company.

The other father of William Farrar (settler).

I was operating under the same misconception as so many others, thinking that they were one and the same, but as I did some extensive research, four days, all day on the project. I discovered that they were in fact two different people, both significant and notable in their own right.

Unfortunately the more notable left not much in the way of biography and estate, except references in the Virginia Company records of his relationship to Nicholas Ferrar. My ancestor is not a brother of Nicholas Ferrar, but was evidently in close enough contact, to undertake a voyage to Virginia in 1618, when all of the troubles of the 1st and 2nd charter were bygones.

I want to create this article to provide guidance to others who make or might make the same mistake as I and conflate the two gents into one. I started my article with the belief that the two were one and the same, but as I got heavily involved in research. I realized that they were two different people.

I honestly think this article is needed, to help people differentiate between two, but neither standing alone has enough to create their own article with their own names and identifiers like John Ferrer, the Elder and John Ferrar, deputy treasurer. Just not enough meat for either, but both combined, maybe. But the title seems inadequate for the job. Alvanhholmes (talk) 00:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I actually like the narrative way you've written it, but the best thing to do here (from an encyclopedic stand point) would be to create two entirely separate articles with a hat note at the top of each to aid in disambiguation. If there are lots of other people with the same name, it's common to create a disambiguation page to aid the reader in finding the info they are looking for. Edaham (talk) 03:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I thought of creating two separate articles at first. But one John Ferrar the elder does not present what I think are the requirementsfor notable, and his only notable accomplishment was being the Father of William Farrar (settler).


 * The other John Ferrar is indeed a notable and a very important player and savior of the Virginia Company, unfortunately there is no real information about him other than what is in the papers of the Virginia Company.


 * And all I could publish is that one paragraph.


 * If I tried to publish I expect an immediate reaction or rejection because John Farrar was not notable and John Ferrar's entry was too thin, basically  one paragraph.
 * If I can get them published as you suggested I would be thrilled, but I need some tutoring (example please) on creating an appropriate hatnote. I read the link to hatnotes but it doesn't sink in. I am advanced years with a recent operation to remove a brain tumor, I am thrilled that I can do what I do, but I don't have any coding experience or background and to create articles I have created a Word file of templates which I use, and even then I have problems.


 * Alvanhholmes (talk) 04:15, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I am giving hatnote a try.. does this look acceptable? If I create two articles?


 * ((hatnote|see [[John Farrar, the elder}}
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvanhholmes (talk • contribs) 04:25, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If John Ferrar the elder is not a notable individual then you should consider not including him at all, either in the main article or in his own article. If reliable sources can be found which make non trivial mentions of John Ferrar the elder then making a separate article would be the way to go. Including information on the two subjects in one article (except briefly mentioning family ties) will do little to improve the situation if confusion has arisen. I suggest you first do your best with two separate articles as drafts, then submit them via articles for creation, where experienced editors will review the material with regard to notability. This would be the most "Wikipedia" way of doing things and would potentially result in one or two stable and well sourced articles. Hope that helps. We can continue this discussion on the talk page of the draft article, as it is primarily a content issue. Edaham (talk) 06:06, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If John Ferrar the elder is not a notable individual then you should consider not including him at all, either in the main article or in his own article. If reliable sources can be found which make non trivial mentions of John Ferrar the elder then making a separate article would be the way to go. Including information on the two subjects in one article (except briefly mentioning family ties) will do little to improve the situation if confusion has arisen. I suggest you first do your best with two separate articles as drafts, then submit them via articles for creation, where experienced editors will review the material with regard to notability. This would be the most "Wikipedia" way of doing things and would potentially result in one or two stable and well sourced articles. Hope that helps. We can continue this discussion on the talk page of the draft article, as it is primarily a content issue. Edaham (talk) 06:06, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * For any beginner editors interested in a particular subject, in this case: British genealogy of the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, there are lots of editors who are already actively developing these areas, particularly with regard to heraldry and nobility. Using categories and wiki-projects are both fundamental ways of letting the right people know that your article exists and getting experienced editors to help out on projects. The first thing a reviewer will do when looking at an article which has omitted these elements is add them, which I'll give you a hand with now. Edaham (talk) 06:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Publish a Wikipedia page before verified?
I have only had Wikipedia for two days, but I just completed my first Wikipedia page. Is there any way I can publish it without waiting two more days? JacobMinor33 (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2018 (UTC) Jacob
 * user:JacobMinor33, do you mean that you want to submit this article to the articles for creation process? I’ll have a look for you. If you’re a new user it’s quite good (although not very speedy) to go through the AFC process at least once because the reviewers will help you get to grips with many commonly encountered problems. Edaham (talk) 01:13, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I had a look:
 * sources one and two are not great. They are home made web pages, which weaken the quality of articles because they do not have to go through any verification process.
 * The images you have used from those sites might not be suitable for use on Wikipedia unless you can verify that they are free use and/or your own work submitted for free use.
 * There’s a third section which is entirely unsourced. And would require reliable sourcing.
 * The external links section has links to google search results and YouTube, which cannot be used to support article text and are usually avoided in external links sections.
 * The policies relevant to the issues noted above can be found at our reliable sources policy page, which you can read before submitting your draft. summary: The short answer is yes, you could move this to the main space yourself, but it would almost certainly be tagged for improvement or even moved back to draft. Having said that, this is a great first effort and the thing you are writing about could certainly have an article if properly sourced. I opened a discussion on the talk page of the draft article Edaham (talk) 01:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Posting multiple questions
Two questons/comments in November 20 space, don't know if I should post all questions including follow ups under original question or at the end.Alvanhholmes (talk) 04:30, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, you can post follow-up questions at the bottom of the section where you posted the original question. For example, the way you asked follow-ups here is perfect, and you can ask another related question at the end of that section. Be sure to ping the editors who answered your original question with a template like re or u to get their attention. If you'd like to post a new unrelated question, or if your old question gets archived, you can always create a new section. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! —  Newslinger  talk   15:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

This is an attempt at pinging. I hope that I have this right. While at it I have articles on my User:Alvanhholmes/sandbox3 and User:Alvanhholmes/sandbox4, but don't have the Publish draft box, that my basic sandbox has? What do I have to do to rectify that, that is have the ability to submit a draft for sandbox3 and sandbox4 thanksAlvanhholmes (talk) 19:59, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If you paste  to the top of a page it will give you the box to submit the draft for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:17, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I received the ping, so that was right! This page shows all of the ways you can ping another user. Also, 's advice to use the  template is what I would tell you as well. —  Newslinger   talk   21:07, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

and all the other wonderful helpers that have been so patientand helpful with this problem and so many others, also trying my hand at multiple pingingAlvanhholmes (talk) 22:01, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * that worked! Another hint (even some experienced users don't know this): sending a ping only works if the same message includes ~ (your signature). So if you forget to sign a message, the ping won't arrive. If you forget to ping and edit the original message to add the ping without adding a new signature, the ping also won't arrive. But right now, you're doing it right! - Alexis Jazz 22:12, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn’t know that. Edaham (talk) 23:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And one more thing: if you want to know whether your pings are successful, go to your notification preferences and check the boxes for "Failed mention" and "Successful mention", then click the "Save" button at the bottom. After you opt in, you'll always get a notification when you try to ping someone else, and you'll know whether it was successful. (After submitting a post with a ping, I usually have to refresh the page again to get the notification.) —  Newslinger  talk   08:54, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Stan Lee
I was thinking of doing a page on stan lees life any good sources i should use — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver pritchard (talk • contribs) 05:06, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That material would belong in the article we already have on Stan Lee. See Content forking.
 * If you're going to write an article about someone or something we don't already have an article on, here are the steps you should follow:
 * 1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.
 * 2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find. Google Books is a good resource for this.  Also, while search engine resutls are tnot sources, they are where you can find sources.  Just remember that they need to be professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.
 * 3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.
 * 4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer.  Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.
 * 5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.
 * 6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.
 * 7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.
 * 8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 3 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).
 * Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:14, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello  and welcome to the Teahouse! As you can see, there is a Stan Lee article. You can improve that, and it's not unthinkable to expand for example sections under "Career" into separate articles, if there are good sources to do it with. Good sources would be biographies like Stan Lee and the Rise and Fall of the American Comic Book. More at . Happy editing! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

About Bibliographic work of Marilynn Hughes
Hi All,

I just created a page about Marilynn Hughes. But i have a question about her bibliographic work. As she authored many books, magazines and scholars but i am confused that 'Is it necessary to add each publication of her work?' However i have mentioned few books and Scholars. Please help.WFE24 (talk) 07:00, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . If a notable author has a very extensive list of published works, it is usually not advisable to list them all in the biography of the author. Instead, their works that have been the subject of multiple independent reviews should be mentioned. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  07:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear Jim, Thank you for your answer of my doubt. I also noticed one other editor tagged the article with many tags. Can you please help me to remove those tags?WFE24 (talk) 09:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Those tags indicate that the article requires improvement. You can consult the editor who left the tags by pinging them on the talk page of your article. They will give you a more detailed summary of how they feel the article needs to be improved. Please don't remove the tags without first improving the article. This is a common thing that beginner editors do and it causes problems. The editor who left the tags there should be more than happy to help you understand what needs doing and explain the policies that they feel are relevant. Edaham (talk) 04:59, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:MOS-BIBLIO provides guidelines for this. Relevant to your question are the following:


 * The individual items in the list do not have to be sufficiently notable to merit their own separate articles (That being said - as mentioned above, notability is a factor and the most notable and widely reviewed works should be inclided.
 * When you provide an ISBN for an edition, complement this with the precise publication details: this will help point out exactly what the ISBN denotes
 * Further more, having read the article I think there's some entries in your "read more" and "external links" sections, the former of which is conventionally titled, "further reading", which could use some scrutiny with regard to the guidelines at Further reading.
 * Edaham (talk) 07:54, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank You Edaham for aware me with Wikipedia guidelines. WFE24 (talk) 09:47, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

How to make edits to a wiki entry?
Hello Wiki Hosts, we would like to do some maintenance to our company information on Wikipedia, but it seems no one in our organization quite knows how to do this. Nor does anyone seem to have any recollection of when or whom created the initial entry. Does editing the page and uploading the current logo require a username and password? Our wiki entry hasn't been updated in nearly many years, (current logo, history, etc). Thank you, much appreciated.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Outerwear — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CD61:5A0:14B8:56D6:612F:40EC (talk) 09:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. Most pages in Wikipedia may be edited by anybody, logged in or not. However, editing an article about yourself or something you are closely associated with is strongly discouraged, because of your conflict of interest. You are however welcome to suggest changes to such an article, by posting your suggestions (with citations to published sources, if possible) to the Talk page attached to the article. Please see WP:PSCOI.
 * It might help the way you think about the matter to realise that Wikipedia's article about your company is not your article. Your input is welcome, but in the end it is a consensus of uninvolved editors who decide what should go into the article and what should not. --ColinFine (talk) 10:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello Holden Outerwear person, and welcome to the Teahouse! Ok, the article was created in 2010 by a User:Thermals (you can see this at the "View history" tab at the top of the article) who hasn't edited since 2011, so that doesn't help us.


 * Basically, it is possible for you to update stuff like logo and simple facts BUT: please start by taking your time and read WP:PAID and Conflict of interest. If you then decide to "dig in", please read WP:ISU before creating a user-account. Notability (organizations and companies) may also be of interest. A tutorial on WP starts here: Tutorial/Editing. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:27, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Article now nominated for deletion, you are welcome to comment at Articles for deletion/Holden Outerwear. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:33, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

How can I publish my page
Hello Dear, I have created this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Manoj_Rajan_Tripathi.jpg#filehistory ... though it is not final. but I don't know where to write the title of the profile, so it comes as a header? secondly, how can I publish this papge? third, after publishing the page will my name appear for public? if yes can I hide that? Please Guide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archana Chakravarty (talk • contribs) 11:21, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello,, welcome to the Teahouse. You confused me as you linked to an image file of someone called  Manoj Rajan Tripathi, rather than the short, unreferenced draft about that person at User:Archana Chakravarty/sandbox. Right now, that draft is not adequate as it fails to demonstrate why that person is notable, which you do by including citations to independent, reliable sources which talk about that person in depth. See this page on how we judge notability of people. Having improved your draft, you can then submit for review by adding   to the top of the page, and clicking the blue 'publish changes' button. Don't worry about the header - that will be done by the reviewer if it is accepted. And, yes, your username will be permanently linked to that page's history. Does this help? Nick Moyes (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey Archana Chakravarty. I presume you intend to refer to the page in your sandbox, rather than to a file? The short answer is that you need to include references to sources that meet Wikipedia's standards for reliability in order to show where the information on the individual comes from, and demonstrate that the subject meets Wikipedia's standards for notability. These sources are usually things like newspapers, magazines, and books, and usually excludes things like self-published works, generic websites, and social media.
 * For more information on referencing for Wikipedia, see also our tutorial on referencing for beginners.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  13:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

WikiTable
How do I use style="text-align: right;" (or something similar) in the header, to apply to just one column, without having to copy the command to each row?

MBG02 (talk) 11:30, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, the method is still the best way to align cells in a column unless you want to align the entire table. There's currently an open feature request to implement an easier way to do this, so you may want to keep track of this page for updates. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! —  Newslinger   talk   15:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Feature suggestions/requests
Where would be the proper place to suggest/request new features for the site? Specifically, I want to request a "Default all tables to collapsed/expanded" option to be placed in Preferences. Sario528 (talk) 12:27, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! You'll want to submit new feature requests for MediaWiki (the software that powers Wikipedia) at the Wikimedia Phabricator. This guide on how to write a feature request or bug report may be helpful for you. After a quick search, it looks like someone has previously suggested this feature for Android and it was implemented in the mobile apps. However, I'm not aware of this feature being on the Wikipedia website, so you'll still probably want to make a new feature request. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! —  Newslinger  talk   15:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

someone here, who could proofread a short part of an article concerning copyright-issues?
Hi, dear people, i'm currently writing an article on the artist George Pusenkoff. In 1995 he had a lawsuit with the famous photographer Helmut Newton concerning Pusenkoff's use of one of Newtons photographs in the sense of appropriation art. I do write the article as well in german as in english, as Pusenkoff has exhibited worldwide. Now, for the german version i do already have people (lawyers), who proofread that i give all the info correctly. Now i translated this short passage and would need someone to tell me, whether it is a. understandable and b. correct in terms of copyright-issues. Would be great if someone was willing to do so. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 13:35, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Guten Abend, . Wilkommen im Teahouse. I am sorry you have had to wait a long time for a reply, today. Perhaps the mention of lawyers scared us all away! We cannot advise on copyright or legal issues, and all editors are personally legally responsible for what they write on this site (see here). That said, if you are reporting only what others have said (which is precisely what you should be doing, and no more), you have absolutely no cause for concern. I actually think your "short section" in your draft on Pusenkoff at User:Gyanda/my new site is too long. I am unable to check your references as they don't seem to be online, but I believe you have expanded this too much, going off at a tangent to explain the German legal system. This, to my mind, is not necessary. Just say he was sued by the now deceased Helmut Newton, cite sources that explain why, and cite sources to demonstrate that he was found not guilty. Job done. Avoid explaining German law and so forth. Also, I am uncomfortable with some of the euphemisms you have used for the naked female form. To refer to a woman's genitals as her 'shame' is quite inappropriate. What is there to be ashamed of? Terms like 'pudenda' (albeit a Latinised version of the same word) are far better, as, indeed are 'genitals'. Remember that this is an encyclopaedia which is not censored, so, if describing the artwork's content is essential, do please use straight-forward, encyclopaedic terms. Neither colloquial slang terms, nor euphemisms are appropriate here. On a different note, a quick search suggested that he was either awarded or nominated for the Kandinsky Prize (it's not clear), but you make no mention of this. Maybe you should. Some sections of your draft are still in German, whilst others are empty. I'm sorry to have avoided your key question, but does my reply in any way assist you? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:45, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Wow, this is so great!!! Thank you very much for your input. 1. okay, i will shorten the text, 2. i used a dictionary to be sure to find the right term for genitals, as i thought it might be a sensitive issue, but it's great that and how you answered me, will change this. The article still is a draft - also in germran - so i will have to work on it a lot more, i just began to translate this part because it is already finished. Next part will be the general info on his artistic work, which will take quite some time and i will add the nomination as well. How kind of you that you even gave the link! I'm so thankful for and with your help!!! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 23:52, 21 November 2018 (UTC)it
 * No worries,, we're here to help all editors when we can. I'm glad my reply was of use, and I only wish my "Urlaubs Deutsch" were sufficient to allow me to edit in that language, too. Viel Glück. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:15, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Your "Urlaubsdeutsch" is fantastic!!! Happy Thanksgiving for you (it is today, right?) --Gyanda (talk) 10:07, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Moving Page
Hello. Can someone please assist in moving the page Bilderberg_Group back to Bilderberg_Meeting? Jul 12 2018 page was moved to Bilderberg_Group from Bilderberg_Meeting

As user‎ Discips pointed out, it has officially been stated that they are not a group, they are an annual meeting.

Their official website is: bilderbergmeetings.org - notice the word meeting. On their page they clearly state as much.

Attendees have been on record to point out they are not part of a group and a past invite does not guarantee a future invite. Conspiracy theories or jargon is not an acceptable reason to edit a definition or official purpose. (conspiracy theory talk on a private meeting will always outnumber official documents eg Area51) If so, then we are to rename every event, meeting, or conference attendee on wikipedia as being a member of a group of a meeting they once attended or have been invited to attend. Thereafter, editing the page of every event, meeting, or conference to also be a group despite both it's working and stated purpose whenever a conspiracy arises.

The entire wikipedia page, first paragraph to the last, not only only officially states it as a meeting but it is merely thrown in on passing of the term "group" as being unofficial when first paragraph concludes. One of many unofficial terms by conspiracy theorists should not redefine the entire page that clearly details its purpose on every level and section as well as the meeting's official page, literature, and history of all the meetings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikkoBot (talk • contribs) 14:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for any help on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikkoBot (talk • contribs) 13:39, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I just moved the article to Bilderberg Meeting for you. MarkZusab (talk) 14:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * That is the official position, but the "meeting" has been called the Bilderberg Group ever since the media discovered it about twenty years ago. I've no objection to either title.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  15:12, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The article should not have been moved. Wikipedia policy is to name articles according to what the subject is usually called, not according to what it "is officially" called or would like itself to be called. I have checked all the sources cited in the article that are both independent and accessible from where I am, and I find sixteen that use "Bilderberg Group", three that use "Bilderberg Meeting", and one that uses both. I would move it back, but this requires an admin. Maproom (talk) 15:23, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Sierra Leone is NOT participating
Please stop reverting my edits. Sierra Leone has not been confirmed as a returning country. Instagram accounts are not legitimate sources. --Rahu22 (talk) 14:58, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! This is a place to ask general questions about editing Wikipedia, but it's not where you'd want to post something if you're trying to communicate with specific editors. Please consider posting at the talk pages of the articles in question (Talk:Miss Universe 2018, Talk:Miss Universe 2018, and Talk:Face of Sierra Leone), instead. I see that you've already posted on the other editors' talk pages, with is the definitely the right way to approach this content dispute. If you're unable to settle the dispute through discussion, I'd like to remind you that there are other means of dispute resolution that you may find helpful to achieve consensus. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! —  Newslinger  talk   15:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Long tall Sally: personnel
I noticed a change on the page Long Tall Sally:

← Previous edit Long Tall Sally 6 BYTES ADDED, 12 HOURS AGO no edit summary

Personnel
I wonder if it's okay to write "first guitar solo" there? James Booker fan (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Paul McCartney – vocals, bass
 * John Lennon – rhythm guitar, first guitar solo
 * George Harrison – lead guitar
 * Ringo Starr – drums
 * Hello, . Thank you for asking your question at the Teahouse today. However, I think this is one best asked directly, firstly to the IP editor who made this change (diff) and then, if you get no reply, maybe on the article talk page. To answer it here requires detailed knowledge of the song (which I don't have) though it does sound a bit odd, unless there is indeed a notable first guitar solo, followed by a second one from another band member - I simply don't know. On balance, because the edit was made without any edit summary, I'd equally be OK to revert it as a 'good faith edit', and explain why I/you have done so in that new edit summary. The IP user has clearly edited a number of other Beatles-related pages over a period of time, so she/he is quite likely to engage with you if  you ask them politely for an explanation, as is the way to go.  Does this help? PS You've been here over 6 months now - it'd be great see something in your userpage - maybe just that you have an interest in editing music articles? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:02, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Is "subscription=yes" ok for a single-article paywall?
What is the proper parameter to use in a cite where the URL has a paywall that allows the reader to pay for a single article? Is "subscription=yes" the appropriate parameter to use, even though the payment is not really a "subscription" that has a duration? Thanks. Kekki1978 (talk) 15:23, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. See Template:Citation: this merely indicates that you need to pay (beyond the cost of internet access) to get to the source, whatever the payment structure. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 17:08, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ping: . Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 17:08, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's exactly what I needed to know. Thanks for the link! Very helpful. Kekki1978 (talk) 19:13, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Worried about repeated changes to an article...
Hi all. I've been fighting vandalism lately (have rollback and pending changes permissions, and twinkle). I've recently been working on the page Bidhu Bhusan Das. It's had a lot of unnecessarily flattering language repeatedly added to it by IP addresses from one institution, which I have reverted. I even spent a couple hours rewriting the article to the best of my ability, using only sources I could access online. This incited one of the IP users to criticise me (and a previous editor) within the body of the article. Essentially, I'm worried that it's going to start to look like edit warring, as the IP users repeatedly add back the same or similar content. I suspect that all the IP users are in fact the same person and potentially have a COI. Can someone else step in to help? I'm not sure what the next step is.

Thanks, Sherlotte (talk) 16:52, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've semi-protected the article for a week. If problems persist after the protection expires, you can ask for further protection at WP:RFPP or perhaps ask for a range block of the IPs at WP:ANI. Deor (talk) 17:09, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you -- I really appreciate it. Sherlotte (talk) 17:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ...however, edits such as that one, while completely peacock-y and against our policies, are nowhere close to vandalism. AIV would probably go nowhere without a level-4 warning. (That does not mean you need to place 4 warnings though, you can skip some levels.) A better venue might be WP:ANEW for edit warring. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 17:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

QUESTION
How to start with a good diet and how to get informed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rominamezap (talk • contribs) 18:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This page is for asking questions about Wikipedia. We cannot give medical advice.  Consult your doctor.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Be sure to get a balanced intake of nutrition from the five food groups: Encyclopedic material, Neutrality, Free content, Civility and Guidelines Edaham (talk) 14:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Mental variety: BBC. CNN, NYTimes, WashPost and Fox. David notMD (talk) 15:31, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Since when has 'junk' been a food group :-) ? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.131.235 (talk) 22:39, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I knew someone would say that. It was a joke about balance wasn’t it. :) it takes those four to balance that one :))) Edaham (talk) 23:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Sandbox TOC and submit buttons
I have three sandboxes. My original sandbox has two features, contents and submit your draft for review.

Sandbox3 has neither of those features Sandbox4 has a contents template.

What do I have to do to have sandbox3 and sandbox4 to have both contents and submit your draft for review. Sandbox3 and sandbox4 were created because it was suggested that the article in the original sandbox, applied to two different men with the same name and they deserved their own article. However one is not so notable as the other, though he is mentioned as the parent of a notable, the other is notable, but there is little information on him other than his letters in the files of The Virginia Company Alvanhholmes (talk) 20:19, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I added a header to your question. The table of contents is automatically added when there are enough sections (3 or 4, I think).  Add  to the top of the sandbox you would like reviewed.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Newbie!
Hello - I've noticed some relatively minor mistakes on a page and wanted to edit them. How do I go about doing so? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:D014:1F00:805D:55F9:208D:1DF2 (talk) 20:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to make it better. Check out Tutorial/Editing for how to get started on editing.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:51, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There is also The Wikipedia Adventure at WP:ADVENTURE which is an interactive lesson in editing. RudolfRed (talk) 20:52, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Adding to what has just said, if you'd care to specify the article you're concerned about, we'd be very happy to check any edits you've made and let you know if you managed it OK. We're here to help, so do help us to help you. If you make a mistake, it's always possible to 'revert' any edit by going to the 'View History' tab for the page in question and clicking 'undo'. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:08, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

PAGE WAS DELETED
Our page was deleted and redirected to somewhere else. How can I make it up and running again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techsenmonka (talk • contribs) 05:18, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What is the article you are referring to? RudolfRed (talk) 05:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Our Page is ACS Jakarta, it was deleted by a user named Frayae and redirected it to Anglo-Chinese Schools page. I was able to retrieve it back but then it says that it needs citations. I did add some, but I cant get the template to be deleted. Also, when I type acs jakarta in lowercase in the search box, it says that it has not been created. i apologize, im a newbie in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techsenmonka (talk • contribs) 05:33, 22 November 2018 (UTC)


 * ACS Jakarta exists. You need capital letters.  At present, the only references are to the school's own website.  You can improve the references by finding independent WP:Reliable sources in which the school has been written about in detail. The Wikipedia article appears in a Google search with any capitalisation because Google searches are not case-sensitive like Wikipedia.  <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  07:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Please understand that ACS Jakarta is not "your page". It is Wikipedia's article about your school. It should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the school have published about it, not on what the school says or wants to say about itself. If you are associated with the school (as seems likely from your use of "our"), you need to read WP:PSCOI, and possibly WP:PAID, before you do any more work on the article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:00, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

thank you so much for clarifying. my boss keeps breathing down my neck about the wikipedia page. it seems a lot of students were "vandalizing" it. i have read what you suggested and will get back to my superior about it.

Becoming a Teahouse host
🖐 Hello how can i become a tea party host — Preceding unsigned comment added by JARV7875640 (talk • contribs) 09:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi there, . The Teahouse is a place where experienced editors answer questions from (usually) new users who encountered problems, and need assistance. We try to be as friendly as possible, though I've never actually noticed a party atmosphere here. Did I miss something? We do have a lot of people watching this page, and it receives about 4,000 views a day. So we would normally expect those who answer questions to be experienced enough to do so, and certainly to know when not to attempt to answer difficult questions, but to leave it to others. There are no set criteria for being a 'host', nor is it a 'permission' that is granted - but typically we might expect an editor who wants to help out to have had at least 30 days of active editing and over 500 substantive edits as a minimum.
 * As you've had far less experience than that, I would simply suggest sticking around and seeing what gets asked and answered, and maybe later on you could comment in areas where you have picked up that experience. I'm still learning new things here, even after some years of editing, but it's always great to help others when you have knowledge you can share, and sometimes the perspective of the relatively new user can be quite helpful to other newcomers. Do please finish The Wikipedia Adventure - there are a total of 15 different badges to collect, and please don't ever edit another user's own user page (as you did here). We deal politely with all other editors, leaving coherent comments on their talk pages, not their main userpage. You also appear to have forgotten to leave an 'edit summary' on virtually all your edits since you joined us some 10 days ago, and please remember to sign every talk page post you make with four keyboard tildes (like this: ). Good luck as you start out on your own Wikipedia adventure! Come back any time you think you need assistance, or feel you're ready to help others. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: The contradiction of no edit summaries and the userbox on your userpage saying you always leave edit summaries led me to look further at your account. I'm now going to ping who indefinitely blocked User:JRV7875640 for vandalism. You started editing immediately after that account was blocked.The fact that both accounts have user pages (based on User:Nicky jam el cangri User:Nickyjanpr787407 User:Jayson 78756) leads me to feel that a further sock puppet investigation could be worthwhile. I fear your chances of being a Teahouse host might now be somewhat limited. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:06, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Or boldly saying... 0% ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  14:17, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Drafts
How do I change a draft into an actual article ? 223.176.85.244 (talk) 13:14, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As there are no other edits from your IP address other than the above, I assume that you either forgot to log in to your account or don't wish to.  It would be easier to help you if I knew the draft in question, but you can simply perform a page move from Draft space or your sandbox to the main encyclopedia; however, once you do, it will be evaluated by other editors and if the draft is not actually acceptable, be treated harsher than if you got a review beforehand.  I would suggest that you use Articles for Creation to submit any draft you have for an independent review. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

If I create an actual account, can I name it after my present IP address ? 223.176.85.244 (talk) 13:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * According to Username policy, "Usernames which resemble IP addresses" are forbidden. Maproom (talk) 13:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

I am thinking of creating an actual account, but I am afraid of vandals. 223.176.85.244 (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Were you speaking hypothetically? (that's fine if you were, just curious) 331dot (talk) 13:50, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no need to afraid, since we will help you to deal with them :) ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  14:03, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course it's entirely your choice, but there are a number of good reasons to create an account. You might be interested in Why create an account? to decide either way. Irregardless, all good-faith contributions from IP and account users alike are appreciated. GermanJoe (talk) 14:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Stephen Hawking
Why has Stephen Hawking not yet conferred a noble prize? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shreyom (talk • contribs) 14:50, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This place is for asking questions about using Wikipedia only, and is not for general questions. However, Nobel Prizes are not given to the deceased. 331dot (talk) 15:04, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Shreyom - You might ask why Hawking did not receive the Nobel Prize for Physics during his lifetime at the Reference Desk for Science. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:52, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

New page
How to create a new page on a new topic?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shreyom (talk • contribs) 14:52, 22 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Read Your first article carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

When Will Page be approved?
I wrote a page on Josephine Collins in August. How do we find out where it is in the que? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpmullin (talk • contribs) 17:03, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, it appears your draft was approved by back on November 3.  So it is actually no longer in the queue. Congratulations, and keep up the good work. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 17:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Since November 3 it's in mainspace. Congrats! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Thomas Muster
Dear Editors,

I would like to draw your attention to a factual error on the page of Thomas Muster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Muster. In the 3rd row of the first paragraph it is written: "Muster is one of only three players to win Masters titles on the three different surfaces of clay, carpet, and hard court." This statement shows controversy due to the fact has been listed on another wikipedia site of the Tennis Masters Series records and statistics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Masters_Series_records_and_statistics). On that site you can find an chart of "Winners of the series tournaments on the three surfaces" where more than 3 players are mentioned as winner on 3 different surfaces. It would be highly recommended to implement any specific distinction e.g. Tennis Masters/ATP Masters or after 1990 or something like these. Leaving unchanged the current chart, it would mean 4 players won (and not 3) Masters on 3 different players.

Sincerely yours,

Mrandrew16 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrandrew16 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Our relevant guideline on this would be WP:SOFIXIT. If the page was locked, you could make an edit request on the article's talk page.  Ian.thomson (talk) 18:05, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

thank you @Ian.thomson!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrandrew16 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Retitlng Drafts submitted for review
Per suggestion of user:  Robert McClenon   I am moving this conversation here. I created two articles, up for review.:John Ferrar (Lincolnshire esquire) and John Ferrar Deputy Treasurer Virginia Company. I submitted both for review. Somehow John Ferrar deputy treasurer, disappeared. When I go to my user page. I have three redirects or whatever they are called. User:Alvanhholmes/sandbox2 (empty for now) Draft:John Ferrar (Virginia settler) which is a misnamed draft that has been declined (the article was never about John Ferrar settler, as he was not a settler, to my knowledge he never set foot in Virginia. The title created an ambiguity between my other submission, John Ferrar the elder, Esquire (renamed by reviewer as John Ferrar (Lincolnshire). If the two articles were to be approved, the original names should stand as they clearly differentiate between the two cousins. When I first read the declined draft, the renamingto John Ferrar (Virginia Settler) confused me as John Farrar Deputy Treasurer Virginia Company had never, to my knowledge, set foot in Virginia. Nor was it so indicated in the article. If anything it should be renamed John Ferrar (Deputy Treasurer, Virginia Company) []] is a redirect to John Ferrar the elder, Esquire renamed and misnamed John Ferrar (Lincolnshire, Esq) A ,more accurate title would be John Ferrar (the Elder of London, Esq) but I can’t change titles. I will submit question and comment about the declination of John Ferrar, Deputy Treasurer) in subsequent post The next question is. Should a renamed article be approved and published, what options are there for the author to accurately rename it. If the drafts sood as renamed, then they would be inaccurate and cause confusion which defeated the purpose of the articles in the first instance. There were in fact two John Ferrar's (cousins) who played, in their own way, an important role in establishing the Colony of Virginia, and thus the foundation of the United States of Aerica. Which can be explained, albeit not in Encyclaedic style, at least not by me.

Alvanhholmes (talk) 18:28, 22 November 2018 (UTC)