Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 869

Taras Kostanchuk
Good day! Earlier today my article about Taras Kostanchuk (commander of the assault group of the Donbas Battalion) was rejected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Taras_Kostanchuk. The reason is indicated my friendly or family ties or advertising is not a significant person, but this is not true. He led the assault group of the famous battalion and went through many battles (in the material I applied it was fixed, even video materials). One of the few who survived the Battle of Ilovaisk. I enclose a photo of the planning of the capture of Ilovaysk, where Taras Kostanchuk discusses it with the famous founder of the battalion, Semen Semenchenko.

File:Semenchenko and Kostanchuk http://ipress.ua/media/gallery/full/s/e/semenchenko_a393b.jpg Now Taras Kostanchuk is engaged in many projects in Ukraine and there are a lot of queries about search systems about him (you can check). In Ukrainian Wikipedia, I have already successfully created and approved an article about Taras Kostanchuk (you can easily check this). This man deserves a place in the encyclopedia and I would like to be the creator of his page until someone else did. This article does not carry any advertising character. Taras Kostanchuk does not need it. His biography is already searched in search queries, so I’m creating this page for people, whon try to find it. Thank you. Best regards, Pa30T (talk) 07:57, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! Since Draft:Taras Kostanchuk has 33 references, it takes a long time for reviewers to assess whether Kostanchuk meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines on people. If you can list 2 or 3 of those references showing that Kostanchuk meets these guidelines, and post them on the talk page of the draft, your next submission of the draft will be reviewed much more quickly.
 * Also, please read through Wikipedia's biography of living persons and neutral point of view policies. In particular, the draft contains claims regarding Kostanchuk that cite unreliable self-published sources, which are not acceptable. Please address this issue before submitting the draft again.
 * If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask me. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! —  Newslinger  talk   05:57, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see a yellow "Comment" button at the top of that or other drafts. Do you have something special set in your preferences? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:03, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oops, that was from the helper script for reviewing drafts. Sorry about that. I've corrected the advice. —  Newslinger  talk   08:10, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Pa30T. Aside from the points cited by the others replying to your concern, I suggest that you also pay attention to the requirement for objectivity. Particularly, I would like to cite the need for the so-called encyclopedic tone. Many parts of current draft read more like narratives that evoke a strong narrator. You can find more information about how to address this issue here: Writing better articles and, more specifically here: WP:TONE WP:TERSE. I believe that the subject of your article is a notable figure, so I encourage you to keep improving the draft. Darwin Naz (talk) 00:27, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Poison Dart Frog
I had used Earwigs Copyvio for that article and the results came up as a copyvio here I looked through the article and did not find the article using Wikipedia as a source.... -- Thegooduser  Let's Chat  🍁 00:39, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Link here this one :)-- Thegooduser  Let's Chat  🍁 00:40, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Greetings, ! this link compares that same URL with the version of Wikipedia's article that was active on 15 January 2012, which is the purported publish date of the blog post. Spot-checking earlier versions, I'm finding that our text significantly pre-dates the blog by many years. Looks like someone copied large portions of our article without citing us.  C Thomas3   (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Do you thank for responses?
As a new contributor I had a question about saving my sandbox and several people -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ian.thomson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_notMD , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Julle -- provided the right answer: you "publish" what you have, and it is saved in your sandbox; there is no "Save" button since last year.

Next question: is it customary to thank for responses in the Teahouse, which is what I would like to do, and what is the most efficient way for all parties. Thanks,

Miro Benda Seattle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirobenda (talk • contribs) 03:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and it's good to see you back at the Teahouse. [Don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes  .]
 * It's up to you whether to thank or not. I tend not to, at least for ordinary stuff, since the notifications that go along with a "thank" are rather outsized relative to the other things I want to see notifications for. There's actually a number of people who do what they do on WP without caring whether you appreciate it or not. Nobody will be disproportionately put out if you fail to thank them. If someone does you a really large favor, it's better to express your thanks in words than using the quick-click "thank" mechanism.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 04:18, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . You can thank Teahouse host or others who help out if you want; there's no requirement/obligation that you do so, but it's a nice thing to do. You can simply do this by posting a thank you in the relevant thread, or you can post something on their user talk page if you prefer. If you want to leave more than a simple text message, you can also add a WP:BARNSTAR to their user talk page as well. On a different note, please take a look at Wikipedia:Signatures for information on how to properly sign your posts; there's a number of ways to do so, but signing posts makes it easier for others to know who posted what and when. I understand you techincially did sign your post above, but signing things the "Wikipedia way" will automatically add a time stamp and links to your userpage and user talk page to the end of each post you makeC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:24, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Politics
Will content from both sides of the political spectrum be allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGzer (talk • contribs) 04:29, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . I think the answer to that can be found in Wikipedia:Five pillars, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Free speech. To sum up, article content (positive or negative) needs to able to be verifiable and the way this is done is by providing citations to reliable sources; however, even content which can be verified might still not be deemed appropriate for inclusion and may instead require a consensus be established among other editors to be ultimately added to an article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:45, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

submitting an article for review
Hi! Hiw do I submit an article on wikipedia for review and obtaining feedback? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teresa Huston (talk • contribs) 05:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . Assuming you're referring to Draft:Inequality of Incarcerations in the U.S., you can just click the blue button "Submit your draft for review!" and it will be added to the que of other drafts waiting to be reviewed; however, if you do so now, it's almost certainly going to be declined. There are number of formatting and other issues involved (see MOS:LAYOUT), but the main issue is that you're draft looks to be more Wikipedia:No original research than Wikipedia:Article. Wikipedia articles are not really research papers where a problem is identified and a solution is proposed; Wikipedia articles are only intended to be written about subjects deemed to be Wikipedia notable because they have received significant coverage in reliable sources, and article content is only intended to reflect what those sources say about the subject. You might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:Adventure to get a better feel for how articles are created and how Wikipedia works. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:56, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Article edit question
I have a question on the Book of Kells page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Kells). The opening sentence says, "The Book of Kells was written in 2018 Irish: ..."

That's confusing to me and I think it needs some better wording. Unfortunately and not knowing the subject (at all), I'm hesitant to make a change on it. I would suggest changing it to something like, "In contemporary (2018) Irish, the Book of Kells is called ...". So how do I contact someone to suggest this clarification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevSheSeesFar (talk • contribs) 19:19, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like the page is being edited, and the wording you refer to is not there now. If you see something that needs fixing, you may Be Bold and fix it, or discuss on the article's talk page.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:31, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The offending sentence seems to have been deliberate vandalism by IP editor 37.228.243.178. though I suppose it could have been some sort of misunderstanding. It was reverted within 90 minutes.  If you look at the history of edits, you can see when such incorrect edits have been made, and simply undo them yourself.  Just click on "View history" at the top then "undo".  Thank you for spotting this.   Dbfirs  07:59, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

EverybodyWiki Bios & Wiki
dear there,

I uploaded a wikipedia named NOSTOS VR GAME, while 1 month passed, i did not get any reply or feedback yet. And I found my article on EverybodyWiki Bios & Wiki:https://en.everybodywiki.com/Nostos_VR_game could you please tell me what shoud I do to transfrom it to official wikipedia page.

looking froward to your reply

Joey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosebud1995 (talk • contribs) 07:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I assume that you are talking about Draft:Nostos VR game, which was declined on November 15. You can see the feedback there. You can address the concerns of the reviewer and resubmit it if you want. Yes, there are many websites which copy content from Wikipedia and that is allowed since our content is freely licensed. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  07:50, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I see that it's about a game that hasn't been released yet, so there aren't enough independent sources to establish that it's notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. I suggest that you wait until after its release, when you may be able to find independent reviews to cite. Maproom (talk) 08:02, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Move of page did not move talk page
I am in the awkward situation that I have a two pages, where A redirects to B (as it should be), but Talk:B redirects to Talk:A (this is wrong, it should be the other way round). Here B is Chequers plan and A is The framework for the future relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union. I tried to fix it by moving Talk:A to destination Talk:B, but this gives me an error message ("a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid."). It seems like a simple task, but I don't know how to do it. Can anybody either explain me how to fix it, or perhaps just fix it for me. I don't want to fuck up the history. Thanks! Heb the best (talk) 12:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, What happened is that the redirect at Talk:Chequers plan resulting from the first move was edited. This prevented the talk page from being moved back over the redirect. It needs an admin to delete the target name. —teb728 t c 12:30, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , I moved the talk page. ~ GB fan 12:49, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. Great to understand what went wrong. Heb the best (talk) 10:58, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

legal challenges of environmental laws in Nigeria
an appraisal of the legal challenges of environmental laws in Nigeria — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abolaji Olaide (talk • contribs) 10:47, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The Teahouse is a friendly place to learn about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question, or need help with editing Wikipedia? Cordless Larry (talk) 11:45, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

edit list of highest grossing Indian movies.
I want you to edit list of highest grossing Indian movies.there should be a movie called the villain(kannada movie) which has grossed 123 crores and still running in theaters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anchitya (talk • contribs) 11:14, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


 * if the movie is still showing in theaters, then it is too soon to update the article. Wait until the final figures are published in a reliable source, then update the list accordingly.--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:37, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Box office lists are often updated frequently while a film is playing. The challenge for List of highest-grossing Indian films is that there doesn't appear to be a site with updated numbers for Kannada films. All sources are news articles from specific dates. That makes it time consuming to update numbers when a source has to be given. says 123 crore but the article is from 7 November so the number is obsolete. The Villain (2018 film) opened 18 October. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:04, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Do not edit template?
Is there a template to tell other users not to edit a page? I have a page I do not want other user editing. I looked on WP:TM, but I have no idea what category it would be under. Can someone help? TL The Legend (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, TL, and welcome to the Teahouse! I doubt there is such a template, since you're not really allowed to claim a page and disallow others from editing it. That would be contrary to the spirit of Wikipedia, which is an inherently collaborative enterprise: even one's main user page don't strictly belong to oneself, though out of common courtesy other editors should normally avoid touching it. You can ask that other editors don't edit a page, but you can't tell them not to, and I don't think it's a common enough thing to have a template for. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 15:48, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! I already put "DO NOT edit" in big letters, but I was just wondering. Thanks again! TL The Legend (talk) 15:51, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , might you be looking for Template:Under construction? Home Lander (talk) 15:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Scratched, I could have bothered to look at the page you were referring to. You could use something like "DO NOT EDIT THIS PAGE" to achieve what you want. Home Lander (talk) 15:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * On the bright side, I just learned how to resolve an edit conflict :-P ! TL The Legend (talk) 16:03, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And there goes my hundredth edit TL The Legend (talk) 16:05, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

TWA badges interfering with sections
If you look on my page, you will see that I have TWA badges. On the side (!!) the section name "Milestones" is there, but it should be below... I have tried putting whitespace there, but that does nothing... TL The Legend (talk) 16:18, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * TL: Should be fixed now. The TWA badges are set to float, which means that they ignore some of the usual formatting rules of HTML. Adding a clear template to the bottom will fix that sort of thing. Cheers! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 16:26, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's fixed! Thanks ! TL The Legend (talk) 16:32, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Weird text overlap issue


This probably isn't the ideal place to put this, but I'm not sure where else to. I was reading ANI, and I noticed the text was overlapping at the beginning of links in a way that made it difficult to read; I've screenshotted an example, from User:Waskerton's comment, to illustrate the problem. Does anybody know why this is happening? -A la d insane <small style="color:#008600">(Channel 2)  19:09, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Another question
Apologies about making two adjacent sections, but I was trying to warn a user and I received a permission error- apparently the talk page is blacklisted? This is the link. -A la d insane <small style="color:#008600">(Channel 2)  20:02, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Reported to WP:AN, as recommended on that error page. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:13, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -A la d insane  <small style="color:#008600">(Channel 2)  20:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Ryan Leaf....the Wikipedia Entry on this person
To Whom it May Concern at Wikimedia

Suggested Update on the Tragedy and Renaissance of Ryan Leaf.

I suggest a November 2018 update on the Ryan Leaf page in Wikipedia. I just read your wonderful entry on this young man, and realized it is missing the latest good news in his personal journey of success, then despair and now continuing recovery.

On Saturday, I enjoyed Ryan's color commentary during the Cal v U Colorado football game (Nov 24, 2018) on the PAC 12 Network. Ryan Leaf did a fine, informative job on the game. So his entry needs updating to reflect his new arrangement with the TV network.

Don Hardesty:  frequent user, long-time fan of, and donor to Wikipedia

PS. Nowhere could I find the way to make this suggestion to Wikipedia. Maybe you are intentionally discouraging such outreach as I am making? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:8102:8EB0:C57C:3620:A5C:BAED (talk) 22:54, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. While it can be confusing to contribute to Wikipedia, there is no deliberate effort to make it difficult for you to contribute(though it might seem that way).  If you have independent reliable sources that have coverage of this person, feel free to offer your suggestions by posting them to Talk:Ryan Leaf.  Please note that the article about him is not a place to just tell about him, you need independent sources to support any content in the article. 331dot (talk) 23:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi there, I just want to clarify that Wikipedia is edited by volunteers, almost all of whom don't have any affiliation with the Wikimedia Foundation. You can be a volunteer, too! Just edit the Ryan Leaf article yourself to mention Leaf's arrangement with the TV network (instructions here), but make sure that you write in a neutral point of view and cite your sources. If you're not sure how to go about doing this, I would follow 's advice and post your comments on Talk:Ryan Leaf. —  Newslinger  talk   04:37, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ [] Feel free to expand the info I added with another source. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:13, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Problem with editing
Dear team. I try to edit my page and make corrections to the citations. Strange is that I can't publish the changes. Something is not highlighting the "safe" button.

Perhaps somebody can have a look at it as I tried already several times?

Corn sauce is the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Corn_sauce

Thanks so much.WuHaiJie (talk) 08:09, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, you seem to have made quite a lot of successful edits to Draft:Corn_sauce. The button marked "Publish changes" actually saves your edits to the draft.  It replaced the "Save" button some time ago.  If you think your draft is ready to be moved to mainspace as an article, then copy  to the top of the article and click "Publish changes" to submit it for review.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  08:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Dear Dbfirs. Thanks for the advice - still some time to go ;-). But my problem is different: the "publish changes" button is not active anymore. Even if I want to publish the changes - I can't anymore. Something is not working and is corrupting the file I guess? Greetings WuHaiJie (talk) 08:31, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I just tested that it works okay for me. One thing that sometimes prevents me from saving is the option that requires an Edit Summary: if you set that option on then it won't save unless you have filled in a Description.  If that's not it, please provide details of what platform you're using: what hardware, what operating system, what browser, what editor (Visual Editor vs Source Editor).--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:49, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Village pump (technical) says it is a second edit which fails for some users. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:52, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Dear all. Yes, what I read from Village pump/PrimeHunter is exactly as well my problem. I use windows 10, Firefox, or Internet explorer 11 or Microsoft Edge HTML 17.17134. All the same problem, that the "publish changes" is grey and doesn't work. How to solve this problem? I am a new editor to Wikipedia and struggle a bit.WuHaiJie (talk) 00:12, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Dear all. I solved the problem: I switched to source edit and it worked. I switched back to visual edit and the "publish changes" got active again. Don't know what blocked it in the first place, as I as well checked the list of blockages. Thanks anyhow for all your help.." WuHaiJie (talk) 04:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit button turns into triangle, Publish changes button does not work when this happens
I was trying to add pictures within the sandbox and I couldn't get them to stay as the publish changes button wouldn't populate. Is it because I should be in visual editor when editing? I did do the training, just trying for clarity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crowlady1957/sandbox Crowlady1957 (talk) 21:27, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a known bug about this: T209542. Similar discussion here. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:47, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Suggesting Articles for Underrepresented Identities
I went to a great event last year for Black History Month which was a "Wiki Hack-a-Thon" whose goal was to increase the amount of articles about underrepresented folks. I found someone without a stub who would be a great addition, Afro-Colombian politician Sofonías Yacup, but I'm a new user, it's a biography (known to be difficult for new users to create), and I unfortunately don't have the capacity to learn how to publish an article by investing time in editing and so forth. I'd be happy to collaborate on it though!

If I have an idea for a new page, but cannot create it myself, how may I best suggest it for someone else to create it, or how may I find a collaborator for support? Mmissy003 (talk) 05:47, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your desire to add to Wikipedia. There's a regular process for requesting articles here, but I've never used it myself. There also may be a backlog due to the number of articles being requested, but in addition, you might find it difficult to get non-Spanish speakers to help with an article about Sofonias Yacup because I couldn't find much coverage in English. I went to the Spanish Wikipedia to see if there was at least a stub about him, and could only find a mention in the sixth paragraph of the [|La Tola] article. Absent English coverage, you may find it hard to get an article approved.  Nonetheless, if you want to go to my talk page and post the URLs of English coverage you can find on him, I can review and see what I can do to help. Ideally you'd have at least 3-4 decent profiles of him in English, to go with the Spanish coverage. Good luck! <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  06:01, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

To create a page
How could i create a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velu Subramani (talk • contribs) 09:34, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you would find this link:  Wikipedia: Your First Article of greatest help to you. By creating a draft article and then submitting it for review when it's ready, you will receive helpful feedback along the way. Looking at how othe similar articles are written and constructed is also a sensible thing to do. I would advise that, for a new editor, creating a completely new page that meets all the criteria for acceptability (especially: being a notable topic, based on Reliable independent sources, and written in a neutral, encyclopaedic manner) is one of the very hardest tasks to achieve here. Whilst not as dangerous as jumping into a car without knowing how to drive, the results can be almost as disappointing! So we often advise new editors to gain experience of editing by making small improvements to many other Wikipedia pages first. The one thing you are not allowed to do is to use either your userpages or new articles themselves to promote either yourself or some organisation you're associated with. Because this is an an encyclopaedia of notable things, not a free webhosting site for any old advertising or self-promotional nonsense, all such pages will get very speedily deleted as I think has happened to your own userpage. That page is simply there for you to add content relevant to your personal Wikipedia-editing interests. For all other stuff, there's sites like Facebok, LinkedIn, etc. Of course, if we can help further,  do come back and explain what assistance you need to create an encylopaedia entry. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

An article not appearing in google search
Hi, I published my first article a few weeks ago. It is a biography of Mikko S. Niemelä. When I tried google search, the Wikipedia article did not appear in the search results. Can anyone please tell if this is due to some error on my end or I just need to be patient and it'll appear in search results eventually. Tasneem.tech (talk) 13:28, 29 November 2018 (UTC)Tasneem.tech
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The article you created has not yet been formally reviewed; once it is, it will eventually be indexed by search engines. 331dot (talk) 13:30, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Automated Archival with at least two signed edits/ done template
Hello,

I'd like to have an automated archival for the older sections in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Databases. I went through the page Help:Archiving_a_talk_page, but I still have some open questions and the talk page says "Do not ask general questions on this page".

I'm used to have an automated archival for sections having at least two signed edits and also automated archivals where you can put a "done" (in german "Erledigt") template into sections.

Is that also possible in the english wikipedia?

Please feel free to refer to other pages. I just started to also edit in the english wikipedia and not only in the german wikipedia, so I still have to learn a lot.

Kind regards --Hundsrose (talk) 21:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's possible to set up. But since you just started editing English Wikipedia coupled with the fact that it's a project page, that's not what you suppose to start with. Project discussion pages on English Wikipedia should be archived only by experienced editors or after discussion on the limit. If you want set this on your own talkpage, I can help you with that. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:37, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much Ammarpad! I will first gain much more experience in the english wikipedia before adding automated archivals on my own. I'd love to have automated archival after 60 days for sections with at least two signed edits and a possible "Done" template on my own talk page. Could you help me with this please? Feel free to change my talk page. Thank you for the help. Best regards --Hundsrose (talk) 14:21, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Empty Title help
I have completely redone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Ferrar_(Deputy_Treasurer,_Virginia_Company) if for nothing else, practice. However my last references have Empty title (actually they are the same book, and I don't know how to make a shorthand reference. My problem is that I stared at the syntax till my eyes hurt, I checked on the help page for empty title, and I cannot see what I did wrong or what is needed. Would you, could you give a quick look see, While at it point out deficencies or problems. I would like to fix the problem myself, that is the way I learn. I would also appreciate an example of a Shorthand reference for a reference already cited, but on a different page.Oldperson (talk) 20:49, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I fixed it per the request on my talk page. You can see exactly what I did by looking here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft%3AJohn_Ferrar_%28Deputy_Treasurer%2C_Virginia_Company%29&type=revision&diff=871247353&oldid=871240054
 * Regards, Ariconte (talk) 21:47, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Two questions
Hello. A friend of mine, who also writes for the german wikipedia, has asked me two questions, which i cannot answer.
 * In the article *List of Category A listed buildings in Aberdeen List of Category A listed buildings in Aberdeen there are years given. Sometimes there is a "c" before it, for example, "c.1886." What does the c. mean? Something like "approximately"?
 * And there is a Category - how could one translate this into german, just "Lantern"? What does the "Provost" say?

It would be nice, if you could help him. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 20:54, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, Gyanda! For your first question, "c." stands for "circa", which does mean something like "approximately" or "around". Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 20:56, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not seeing that category exists. Can you provide an example of an article in that category? RudolfRed (talk) 21:00, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing they're talking about commons:Category:Provost_lamps, which is (obviously) a Commons category rather than an enwiki one. From the description page there: A Provost lamp (or Provost's lamp/light) is a special decorative street light in Scotland, used to denote the residence of the Provost, a local official. As it says, a Provost is a title of a particular position in Scotland; not sure how that would translate into German. But it seems that it's a particular kind of streetlight, so just "Lantern" probably isn't specific enough. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 21:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You people are amazing! Such a quick and elaborated answer! Fantastic! I'll give the info to my friend (he mostly adds photos to commons, so I'm sorry that i didn't name the "commons" in front of the category. Thank you all very very much!!! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 22:51, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Music album addition- First time editor
I am a fairly new editor, having only worked on |/ List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States. I find the music albums pages very useful and would like to add my first album page, based on a CD I own and perhaps supplemented by allmusic.com. The album is Foundation Ska by the Ska-talites, a compilation album released in 1997 by Heartbeat (CD HB 185/186). The album is listed, with no link, on the The_Skatalites page. I have the 28-pp booklet which came with the double CD set. Unfortunately, I see no recording dates for any of the tracks. The allmusic.com page for Foundation Ska does not list any dates.

If this is a suitable addition can someone help me get started by recommending a template I can use. I believe I would be able to copy an existing page/record and then edit the information there if that is a good suggestion.

Whschirmer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whschirmer (talk • contribs) 21:20, 29 November 2018 (UTC) Whschirmer (talk) 21:56, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia: have you read your first article? If you do, you'll see that writing an article starts by finding at least two or three places where people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about it, in reliable places. Wikipedia is basically uninterested in what people connected with the album (its artists, producers, publicists) say about it. There have been arguments back and forth about whether allmusic.com is a reliable source (see for example WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 30) but it seems likely that it cannot contribute to notability.
 * If you can find suitable sources, then I suggest you use the article wizard. We don't have templates in the way you mean (Wikipedia templates are something different), but you can certainly copy the section headings from an existing article - but please copy from a Featured article or a Good article, because their quality has been assessed. --ColinFine (talk) 00:12, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Image removal by bot
Hello.

Much of the content on Di Tzeitung is about a controversy the newspaper was involved in by censoring two women out of a White House image. I added a photograph of the censored newspaper, which can be seen on this page: Situation Room (photograph), but User: JJMC89 bot removed it. Looking at Di Tzeitung's edit history, it is clear that bots have removed this image (or ones like it) several times, but I obviously can't discuss it with them because they are bots. Given that the image has managed to stay on Situation Room (photograph), shouldn't it be okay on Di Tzeitung, and if so, how can I ensure that it isn't removed? SCC California (talk) 07:21, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * If you read the article's edit history again you will see that the edit summary which the bot provided has a link to WP:NFC. An NFUR has been provided for the use on one article, but not for the other. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, David Biddulph. To me, it does seem to meet the non-free content criteria. How do I go about (applying?) for non-free use of the image on Di Tzeitung? SCC California (talk) 07:38, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . In addtion to what David posted above, you're also going to have a problem per item 6 of WP:NFC and WP:FREER. There is a stand-alone article about the this particular photo where it can be seen; in such cases, relevant Wikipedia policy tells us that linking to that particular article is preferable to re-using the same non-free image in other related articles. I don't see how you could write a valid non-free use rationale without specifically addressing these points since those two things are likely going to be brought up in any discussion about the file's non-free use. As for not being able to discuss things with a bot, that's true; however, bots have operators and in this case that is . So, you can discuss this with him if you like. Finally, I'm not even sure that the paper itself is Wikipedia notable enough for a stand-alone article per WP:NMEDIA, which means it might be a candidate for a redirect to the photograph's article since pretty much all the paper's article is about. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:41, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As far as a place for questions is concerned, the edit summary gives a link to WP:Media copyright questions. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Submission or Revision of a draft article?
Dear Team. I would need your advice regarding my article DRAFT:Corn sauce. What is the best next step for my article after editing? I was a bit confused if it is submission or first ask for revision? Thanks for your help.WuHaiJie (talk) 08:13, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What is question? Draft:Corn sauce appears to be a submitted draft, awaiting review. The Manufacturing process section needs citations, and it would be nice to include bits about history and what countries used in. David notMD (talk) 10:36, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks David for the advice. I am still collecting. Yes I submitted. I am now a bit excited - is my first articleWuHaiJie (talk) 11:06, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * My admiration for your effort. I am ten years and 10,000+ edits, yet have never attempted to create an article. My interests rest in adding information to existing articles and removing erroneous information likewise. David notMD (talk) 15:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Text chat discussion request
Hello, sometimes I feel that some editors does not uderstand me. Sometimes I feel, that some of them are doing exact opposite of things I wish. I wish if I could text chat with some other exprienced English speaking editor(s). So we could discuss very various things. Then we could go through discussions I am involved in more smoothly. I have no problem when other editors disagree with me. I just want to be sure, that my participation in discussions can be fully understandable for non-specialist to avoid missunderstanding. And possibly to be sure, that I understand also each others. I wish to meet an editor, who will be bold enough to actively enter into the discussions on the Wikipedia. I wish to meet an editor, who will not reply to me: "No, I do not understand this." I do not need an editor who will support my opinion(s), but I need an editor, who will clarify my opinions when necessary. And the one who I could trust to. I am looking for a long term cooperation in this way. You can reach me at Facebook, Skype, or even on chess.com for short or larger private discussions from time to time. I am looking for somebody for long term cooperation exactly in this way I described above. Contact me at Special:EmailUser/Snek01 for initial contact. Thank you very much for your attention, --Snek01 (talk) 15:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Have you tried the WP:IRC? It's a more real-time service to talk with Wikipedia editors.  JTP (talk • contribs) 15:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No. This is the exact example when I feel that some User does not understand me. I was asking for something completely different, but JTP is trying to force me do something I do not want. Every other comment here other than "I contacted you." is something that does not help me at all. Well, I am strict. --Snek01 (talk) 15:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * JTP isn't trying to force you to do anything,, but rather just making a suggestion. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:15, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Should this be brought to ANI?
Hello! I'm hoping someone could offer me some advice on what to do. and have been personally attacking other editors (not badly) and editing fairly distruptively through deletionism. See the history on Acela Express and the discussions on each user's talk pages here and here. Also refer to the editing spree Morphenniel went on here. Thank you! –Daybeers (talk) 03:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. I can't figure out who I want to block first--let the community have a look please. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 03:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Having read the "here and here" links above, I'd say, both. Maproom (talk) 09:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Both editors have been around for a while (Markvs88 more than 20,000 edits). Morphenniel used to make small additions to train-related articles. of late, massive deletions of material, giving reason of lacking citations. A more conservative approach would be to add 'citation needed' notices. My knowledge of all things trains is zero, so no feeling for whether the deleted material was likely true or not. David notMD (talk) 10:34, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I find that Daybeers bringing this up here while doing exactly what i did on a different article Talk:Union Station (New Haven) to be just a bit strange. Markvs88 (talk) 12:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * We are all strange, or we would not be here. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That's because I posted an unreferenced section tag there last year, nothing had been done about it, the information is far outdated, and I couldn't find any sources. I mostly removed it because the information there is not needed or helpful if it's so outdated and poorly formatted. On the other hand, a list of station stops on a train route article that lists possible connections is very helpful. –Daybeers (talk) 16:32, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Why am I getting this new user window.
I open a Teahouse Window and am met with Apology to new User, My question must be vetted. I've been a user for over two weeks and have two articles publishedOldperson (talk) 15:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies, When I saw the notice and the follow up about review I thought it was because the system thought I was a new user, disregard the aboveOldperson (talk) 16:04, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That notice is shown because the article has been semi-protected (only autoconfirmed users can edit this page) due to recent disruption from IP vandals. Of course you are confirmed, so you edit this; it's just a notice to IPs and users who haven't reached the criteria for being autoconfirmed. The protection will expire very shortly, so soon enough the notice will be automatically hidden. theinstantmatrix (talk) 17:21, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

What is wrong with this syntax
At my https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Oldperson/sandbox2 are two reference syntax I am trying to perfect. One works, the other doesn’t. I call them a Long Reference and a Short Reference. The Long Reference looks like this (inserting “ to keep the example in visible text) <”ref name=”Long Reference”, the short reference is
 * Short reference should be <ref name="Longreference" / >
 * Ian.thomson (talk) 16:15, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually straight quotation marks are not only preferred; they're technically necessary. If you used anything other than them it will be parsed as part of the reference name. –Ammarpad (talk) 18:43, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys, duh you just reminded me of what an idiot I am.. I should have thought that the ending tag was wrong, hopefully this oldperson (literally)  will remember this. I'm told I suffer from Sometimers disease :) I really appreciate the help. I was frustrated to deathOldperson (talk) 18:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Fairness
I'm sure I'm not posting this in the correct place but I'm about to delete my account but I'd just like to highlight why.

I spent (quite a lot of) time creating a page. It was a page about a Venetian church which I had noticed was missing. The page I created had 8 references, images from Wikimedia and research on the artworks from the church and where they can now be found. I submitted the page in May 2016 and it was rejected because I apparently hadn't made the case for the subject being notable enough. This is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ognissanti_Venice (I haven't made any changes since that submission).

In August this year the page was created by someone else on the same subject and contained one sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ognissanti,_Venice&oldid=856590720

This process does not seem fair or encouraging for new contributors. In fact it has completely put me off ever contributing anything else to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VeniceEmpire (talk • contribs) 18:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If there's already an article for something, edit that instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. The only person stopping you from doing that is yourself, don't blame anyone else for that.  Just make sure that the material you add summarizes and paraphrases professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.


 * , I agree with you that the standard Wikipedia process wasn't followed, and that the result is unfair to you. Your version is much better than the faulty stub that seems not to have been reviewed. How did it escape being deleted? I'm not an administrator, so I'm not sure what process should be followed now, but please don't leave Wikipedia.  I'm sure this can be sorted out.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  18:39, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It escaped being deleted because there weren't enough volunteers (who don't have to be admins) checking new articles to nominate it for deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * ... (later) ... Oh, I see that the original stub was improved and a single source was added, so that was why it wasn't immediately deleted. Can we do a merge?   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  18:45, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Not sure why anyone would think the current article was a stub. Within a span of 12 minutes the article in its current form took shape.  It wasn't reviewed because it was created by an editor who has autopatrolled status. The issue is that the draft remained stale for over 2 years. At one point it was tagged for speedy deletion, but that was declined due to another editor feeling the subject was notable. Then in September of this year, without any improvement to correct the issues which had been mentioned when it was declined back in May 2016, it was simply resubmitted. In the span of time it lay dormant another editor, created a start level article. It happens, especially when a draft lays dormant that long.  Nothing fair or unfair about it. And I don't believe you "merge" drafts with existing articles.  However, you can simply improve on the existing article. And, WP policies were followed in every instance. I do some small effort in both AfC and NPP, and hope you don't let this discourage you.  I would encourage you to improve the existing article.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 19:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd looked at the original stub linked above, and later saw that a reference and further information had been added.  I also note that you gave some good advice on 's talk page at the time.  If they had continued with the draft and added the above reference, then the draft would have been accepted.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  20:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ - content is merged - please check if I missed anything. Ognissanti, Venice <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:48, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Placing userbox boxes
I've added a userbox box to my user page, but I don't know how to place it where I want it. I tried moving the links lower down, but it just moves what it looks like further down the page. I would like to put them under the shell picture. Thanks, Aurornisxui (talk) 17:36, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ reply to follow Nick Moyes (talk) 18:04, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. After a little bit of experimentation (whilst lying in the bath!) I managed eventually to use the stack template which gives you what you want. Forgive me for making the changes directly - it was easier than trying to write a full explanation via my tiny mobile device. (Be sure if you add new elements to keep the double pair of }}}} characters at the end, so that each element, separated by the pipe "|" character remains nested within the "stack" template as a whole.) I hope this gives you what you want. I haven't forgotten your message on my talk page regarding adoption. I will reply in a positive manner there in due course (probably sometime over the weekend) but have been rather busy of late in real life doing a lot of building work - hence the need for a soak. Regards from the UK. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, Nick, thanks! I can check out the stack template tomorrow when I'm on the computer (kindle is garbage for editing). Aurornisxui (talk) 21:15, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

How to use source URLs with "pipes" WITHIN the URLs?!
What am I supposed to do when the URL to a source has pipes within it? Here is the source in question:

Here is the URL: https://search.alexanderstreet.com/view/work/bibliographic_entity|video_work|2314856

I've currently got it in a ref ideas template on the talk page of Human flesh search engine (I'm reading through more recent scholarship discussing this topic out of my own curiosity and intend to update the page with any relevant info after reading through them all, but this issue is puzzling and trying to figure it out has been driving me crazy ). Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 21:15, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * OK I think that now that I've posted this it may have suggested the solution to me in the way that it rendered the URL. I'm going to test it here:
 * Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 21:17, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * VICTORY! 💯💯💯💯 Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 21:24, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Shashi Sushila Murray. Yes, a pipe can be encoded as %7C in url's. See more at Help:URL. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm adding that link to my list of useful references! Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 22:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm adding that link to my list of useful references! Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 22:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

How to open a document in mrc format
I just downloaded a document, over 100 pages, it is in .mrc format. I am running Windows 7, I checked WP for .mrc and it seems to be more of an image and mostly for scientific purposes. Is there any software that can open it? All I have is Word and PDF.Oldperson (talk) 18:52, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Since this doesn't appear to be a question about Wikipedia, it's out of the scope of the Teahouse. You might have better luck asking it at Reference desk, however. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * MRC (file format) says: "The MRC format is supported by many of the software packages listed in Software Tools For Molecular Microscopy." I haven't worked with the format or tried any of the software. Beware that some file extensions are used for different things. MARC standards is about another use of .mrc. mIRC has a third (not mentioned in the article), and there may be more. If you ask for help then say where you got the file. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:04, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

How to publish article out of my sandbox?
I don`t know how I can publish my article with I created in my sandbox. Can someone help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoElArnold (talk • contribs) 03:15, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * On the top of your sandbox, you will see a box explaining that it is a user sandbox. Click on the blue button inside that says "Submit your draft for review!" and follow the instructions given after that. 24.5.8.227 (talk) 03:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I just checked out your sandbox. The first heading is "Environmental Standards." However, there is already a Wikipedia article called Environmental standard. Duplicate articles shouldn't be on Wikipedia, so you should read the existing article first. If you have extra information about the topic, you can add it into that article instead of creating a new article. You might also want to think about making "Environmental Standards" (which is a plural form) as a redirect page to the "Environmental standard" article. 24.5.8.227 (talk) 03:42, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

what is this everybody wiki
I have an article in draft and it shows up here: what is this site https://en.everybodywiki.com/Oldperson (talk) 22:07, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * "Welcome to everybodywiki, the free wiki inspired by Wikipedia where everybody can write their own biography !" Sounds like a WP:FORK. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:19, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi . They use the same MediaWiki software we do. The Purposes of Everybody section toward the bottom of their home page describes some important policy differences. It appears they copy articles from Wikipedia, which they would be allowed to do if they complied with our CC BY SA 3.0 license. But since they don't seem to give any attribution, they violate our copyright. —teb728 t c 22:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think they are complying by showing edit history from Wikipedia. For example: .  Is that sufficient attribution?  RudolfRed (talk) 00:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I just ran into another called wikisourceOldperson (talk) 01:21, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , please read our article Wikisource, which explains that it is a sister project of Wikipedia intended to be kind of an online library of copyright free and freely licensed books and documents. It is not a fork like Everybody Wiki. I suggest that you read Mirrors and forks as well. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  01:36, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for that link. I was looking at the View history tab, where I am accustomed to look for attribution. —teb728 t c 10:07, 1 December 2018 (UTC)