Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 955

First time wikipedia writer-publish alert
Hello,

I have written a new article using my Wikipedia account (Abrar writing) and published the write-up, could you please help me with the immediate next steps, how do I know if the content is approved?

Many thanks | Abrar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abrar writing (talk • contribs) 16:43, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I will shortly add the appropriate template to allow you to submit the draft for review, but you should not submit it yet as it would be rejected.  This is because no independent reliable sources are given in your draft that indicate how that company meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable company.  Wikipedia is onlu interested in what independent sources have chosen on their own to give significant coverage to; Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject says about itself.
 * If you are, as I suspect, work for or are otherwise associated with this company, you must review the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy to learn how to make the appropriate required declarations. 331dot (talk) 16:49, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As 331dot mentions above, there's not enough media coverage/sourcing to justify a standalone article, but I found a single source and with it added a brief Equiniti India section to the Equiniti article. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  18:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Damn dawg. This finna hard.
Hey, how do i make text a link where people can click it and go to another Wikipedia page of said subject? Fx. If i put Los Angeles, how do i make that into a link where people can click it and go to a Wiki page about Los Angeles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TobiasStage (talk • contribs)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You put double brackets around the page title; for example typing Los Angeles as you see it there appears as Los Angeles. 331dot (talk) 16:44, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Can you illustrate what the double brackets look like? I put the nowiki but nothing happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TobiasStage (talk • contribs) 16:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't put the "nowiki". I had to put that so you could see what to do without it actually happening. 331dot (talk) 16:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * With regards to your submission Draft:Stanford %26 Stage Westside LLC, it has been declined by another editor, and I can't find a single mention of the company in Google. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  18:32, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

First page in sandbox before it goes to the original page
Hi, I created my first wiki-page (in my sandbox). Please let me know if you see something that should be corrected. Also, how long does it normally take to have the sandbox page checked before copying and pasting to the original page is possible? Thank you very much! Annadoro15 (talk) 13:22, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I have added the appropriate template to your draft so you can submit it for a formal review. If accepted, it will be moved to the encyclopedia; copying and pasting is not necessary.  There is no timeframe for review, as reviews are conducted by volunteers in no particular order; it could take hours or months, as there are thousands of drafts waiting. 331dot (talk) 13:33, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!Annadoro15 (talk) 18:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * On the surface, the draft seems OK but I'd watch the language in the selected design work section - it's non-encyclopedic and reads more like an essay. I also haven't checked the sources too deeply - they just need to be reliable and third party, rather than just gallery listings. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  18:39, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I'll rewrite it.Annadoro15 (talk) 18:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Possible vandalism
I have noted an IP address account that seems to me to be only engaged in vandalism. This IP account made edits primarily in March to May 2017, March 2018, October 2018, and now has made two edits today (14 May 2019). Both of today's edits seem to be silly vandalism, and one has already been reverted.

I read that the first step in dealing with such an editor is warning. I don't know exactly how to do this, and I'd like some guidance. Also, is it meaningful to warn someone about vandalism done long ago? (I haven't confirmed that all vandalism edits have been reverted.) Jkgree (talk) 23:31, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * See the vandalism section at WP:WARN for the template to apply to the user's talk page. For vandalism that is not recent, no need to warn them now, particularly with an IP address that may get reassigned to many different people.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:08, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I went to the user's (IP) talk page, and lo and behold, this user has been warned in March 2017 (considered unreliable source), March 2018 (not constructive AND stop destructive editing; blocked 1 week AND "you may be blocked from editing without further warning"), Sept. 2018 (not constructive), Oct. 2018 (undone by ClueBot), and finally, 14 May 2019 (not constructive). Is this ready to go to another level?  Jkgree (talk) 13:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It may not be ready for that. Some IP "users" are computers at secondary educational institutions, where vandalism is sometimes the norm. The user Talk page may have warnings addressed to more than one human user. Given the time gap between infractions, it would be practical to issue a first-level warning. --Quisqualis (talk) 21:10, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I placed a note on Ifnord's talk page, since Ifnord was the one to add a first-level warning on 14 May. I checked and apparently the IP address is registered to the Mobile County (AL) Public School System. Jkgree (talk) 18:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Need more eyes at Murder of Hae Min Lee
Widely-read article has a desperate need for more watchers. I tried asking at some related articles, but no one came.Adoring nanny (talk) 01:03, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for leaving this message at the Teahouse. . I apologize if I am misunderstanding what you have written but each editor decides what page they want to watch. I can't make you a watcher and you can't make anyone else a watcher. Can you explain the problem a bit more? I've taken a look at the talk associated with this article. Perhaps this a question about another editor. It seems that the discussion is a little heated at this point AND another neutral editor has left their comments. I am not sure your problem can be solved by visiting the Teahouse. Best Regards,   Barbara    ✐  ✉  19:28, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Jim Karol Wikipedia Page - Removed by an old Employee
Hello,

My name is dennis and I had an old employee who was directed by me to create a page for Jim Karol. Greg has since removed this page which he should not have done so, becuase I paid him to create a Page for Mr. Karol and I also paid for him to learn how to be an editor/contributor with Wikipedia. How can we recover this page for Mr. Karol and stop from this ever happening again. Thank you. Dennis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hawker1000 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The article was deleted after a discussion here Articles for deletion/Jim Karol. Theroadislong (talk) 20:33, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Was your old employee the person who is now User:Braindusted, or a different Greg? Apologies to  if he has no connection with you. You need to be aware that paid editing is discouraged on Wikipedia, and there can be no guarantee that an article created by a paid editor will not be deleted or that it will be kept in your preferred version.  See WP:Paid.  Db<i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  20:49, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Links to relevant policies/guidelines:
 * Paid-contribution disclosure
 * Conflict of interest
 * Ownership of content
 * Notability
 * --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

When I say paid, he was a paid employee of ours. sorry for the confusion. Anyway, im not to familiar with the way this works, so how can we get this page back online? Name is Greg H. Im not sure if Braindusted is him now. thx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hawker1000 (talk • contribs)


 * Hello, . Please look at Articles for deletion/Jim Karol: the article was deleted by an admin after a discussion by several Wikipedia editors agreed that Karol did not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and so no article about him could ever be acceptable. The deletion was nothing to do with your employee. It is possible that an admin would agree to restore the deleted article so that it can be worked on, (see Undeletion) but unless you can convince them that Karol is indeed notable (in Wikipedia's special meaning of the word - see the link above), there is no point. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a medium for promotion. --ColinFine (talk) 21:24, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Published by mistake
I've been working on my first wikipedia entry - James Hall Brookes. In looking for how to save my draft, I inadvertently published it! Aack. Fortunately most of it is presentable, but there is one section still being worked on. How can this entry be un-published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bueschermilligan (talk • contribs)
 * Hi,, Do not worry about that, I don't see any problem with the edit. There is really no way to "unpublish" once you saved the edit. If you accidentally saved something that you wish to remove, you can re-edit the page and removed that part or alter it. But while you're editing you can use "Show preview" button so as to see how your edit will looks like when saved. – Ammarpad (talk) 18:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, "Publish" means "Save". Due to legal reasons with the license of the text, the save button was changed to say "Publish" instead.   RudolfRed (talk) 18:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, @Ammarpad (talk) and @RudolfRed (talk) for your comments. So in the future, if I am editing an unpublished page, can I just close Wikipedia at the end of a work session and pick up the editing when I return? I was concerned that leaving Wikipedia at that stage would result in the loss of the work so far. Bueschermilligan (talk) 13:49, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


 * To save your editing you have to use the "publish" button. You may wish to use your own user sandbox (see upper right of any WP page) to create drafts before going live. You can also create multiple user drafts by just searching on User:(your user name)/(your article title) and creating the page. These will remain in your user space until you move them to mainspace. RobDuch (talk) 23:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Question about when articles get created vs submitted/reviewed
Working on author page (Kristen Ashley), started a bibliography for her and it created the bibliography page without it going through the submission and review process. Wasn't expecting that to happen as the author page is still a work in progress and wasn't ready for the bibliography to be up yet. Thought it would just be a draft. Can someone tell me what I did wrong? Kristen Ashleys Bibliography --Azurerae (talk) 22:26, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I see you also asked this at WikiProject Romance/Notice Board. Please only ask in one place to minimize duplication of volunteers' efforts. I see the bibliography has been deleted pending creation of the article. I would focus on the article before spending any time on the bibliography, in case the article is rejected. Be careful of tone - it seems essay-like now. Refs come after punctuation.  And please be mindful of WP:COI. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:48, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Looking for advanced editing tips
Thanks!  <span style="background:#af02;box-shadow:#af04 0 0 8px 1px;font-family:Segoe print;padding: 0 5px;font-size:70%"> Aron M🍁  (➕)   11:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Is there a template that generates user links like the signature, but for a given user?  Like: Example (contribs) or similar?  Template:User_contributions, Template:User_contrib have frames, that make these suitable only for the user page. Also, I need the link, not the counter.


 * Are you thinking something like, which gives output like ? Eman  235 / talk  14:40, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup, ty!

Another one: [] around &#91;Wiki link] without &amp;#91; ? — Aron M🍂  [ 🛄📤 ] 16:44, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Aron M: Wikipedia:Manual of Style § Brackets and linking suggests using or <nowiki ></nowiki>.  Eman  235 / talk  17:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've only read through the first chapter yet... Note: brackets inside of links actually work (maybe originally it did not): " [WP:MOS] " generates [WP:MOS], but outside escaping seems necessary. —  Aron M🍂  <small style="background:#af01;box-shadow:#af03 0 0 8px">(🛄📤)  23:53, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Inadvertent edit as IP
I was logged in but somehow made a change as an IP. Can I change the signature, and how? Jmar67 (talk) 01:11, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Monirulmonir674@gmail.com


 * Hello and welcome to the TeaHouse.  You can't actually change the previously edit, but if it is important to keep the record straight they you could use a Dummy edit to notify that it was your edit.--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:12, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * if you feel that your IP address was exposed, don't worry, no body is going to find out and most probably no one is going to doxx you. As far as I know, It is impossible to change the signature in the history page. The same story happened with me once and I just ignored it.--SharabSalam (talk) 03:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe you can request oversight for that, actually. Eman  235 / talk  04:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello! New to Wikipedia!
Just want to introduce myself and ask for any beginner tips and tricks. Thanks! --Azurerae (talk) 18:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome! Check out the tutorial at WP:TUTORIAL and also the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE  RudolfRed (talk) 18:36, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I actually have a question about an image. The author I'm working on has a Press Kit on her website with images for download. Where do I go to upload it. If I do it on the article page it asks if its my work...--Azurerae (talk) 18:52, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid you would not be allowed to upload those images as, whilst they've been offered for use to the media, Kristen Ashley has not released them under an acceptable basis that would allow us to use them. And, as you recognise, they're not yours to give away. An image on her website would need to be clearly licenced as a 'Creative Commons' image, freely available for nom-commercial and commercial re-use (CC-BY-SA). The only way that would be acceptable would be if the author were to change her website, or email in her explicit permission to what is called the 'OTRS' team using a specific wording of release. Just saying "it's fine, Wikipedia can use my image" is not sufficient, I'm afraid. You can read more about the process at Donating copyrighted materials. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Nick! Just found the OTRS page on Wikimedia Commons. I'm working with the author and her team on information so will send the email template to use! --Azurerae (talk) 19:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah - well done. Glad to have been of help. May I enquire in what capacity you're "working with the author and her team", please? If you know the subject personally, we do require you to declare any connection so everything about your editing is fully transparent. Please read our Conflict of Interest policy for more information on this. And if you are in any way being remunerated for your efforts, it is absolutely essential that you do declare this, per our policy which you can find at WP:PAID. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:47, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Nope, I don't know them and am unpaid! Just meant that I've gotten permission to write about her and ask questions of her for the article in addition to the sources gleaned from newspaper articles, public records, etc.--Azurerae (talk) 19:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * We don't require permission from subjects to write articles and have very little interest in what they have to say, we only summarise what independent reliable sources have reported about her. Theroadislong (talk) 20:02, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As Theroadislong suggests, personal interviews are not acceptable as a reliable source in most cases(how do we know you really conducted such an interview?) Even interviews published by others are considered a primary source and not acceptable for establishing notability. 331dot (talk) 20:06, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I understand about sources and am not posting an 'interview' with her as a source and that 'permission' from the subject is not required. Sorry if my word choice made it sound otherwise. Just trying to be courteous to the person I'm writing about and let them know what I'm doing. This open line of communication is allowing me to ask them to send in image release email as well as ask for clarification about statements made on their website about their NYT Best Seller status as I was unable to locate the article- a date they were added to the list for example.--Azurerae (talk) 20:23, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for being clear on your relationship with the subject. I would probably have done exactly the same thing - namely, attempt to speak to the subject, tell them what I was doing, and ask them if they know of any sources about themselves that I could use. As you appreciate, nothing they say about themselves can be used by you - but it might steer you towards resources you weren't otherwise aware of. Good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:05, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your welcome and assistance, Nick. Much appreciated! Is there a way to close out this discussion or is it auto archived after a certain amount of time? I just added a new question to the bottom!--Azurerae (talk) 23:08, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You can just leave a finished discussion and within a few days it will have moved up the page and get sutomatically archived. Rarely, if one of the Teahouse Hosts feels we need to draw an inappropriate or long-winded discussion to a close, we will mark it on the page as closed. The thread will then appear inside a coloured box with a note at the top stating it should not be modified. But this happens rarely at the Teahouse (unlike here). For a completely different topic, just start a new thread. Nick Moyes (talk) 05:59, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Article Help
I was just clicking through random, and came across this odd article. Some of the language seemed strange, so I looked at the sources and most of them seem to be links to the mainpage of various university websites and blogs. Is there anything I can be doing with this page to make it less odd? BilledMammal (talk) 03:45, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello - that article certainly needs some work.  As a first step, I filled in the details of references where I could, and tagged some of the dead links or references that did not support the content of the article.  It looks like it was written by somebody with limited English and that might be the best way to start, by correcting the language.  Then the content should be verified.  Feel free to be bold and improve it where you can; even a small start like cleaning up a poorly worded sentence all helps.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Blacklist external links and inviting someone to the tea house
Hi, I was wondering where can I find a list of blacklisted links ?and what should I do if I found a blacklisted link used as a reference?. Another question is how to invite someone to the tea house? I want to invite to here because I feel he needs some help with editting (is that an appropriate reason to invite someone to here?) --SharabSalam (talk) 02:21, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi,. The Blacklist process is described at Spam blacklist.  The best way to invite a new user is to use one of the welcome templates at Welcoming committee/Welcome templates.--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:16, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If, as in your instance, the user has alreay received a general "welcome to Wikipedia" message (full of helpful links), then a good Teahouse specific invitation would be

which renders as:

It automatically adds the username of the editor whose page you leave it on, which is why in the example above it rather weirdly appears to be saying hello to itself here. That wouldn't happen when used anywhere else. It is indeed a subtle way of offering support to a new editor, though if they don't realise their edits are a bit problematic, they may never seek help. A polite, gentle and supportive word from you on their talk page that specifically identifies any issues with their editing might actually be what they would benefit from most. Hope you find this useful. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:13, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Numbering in column
Greetings House!

I'm currently building an article and need help on how to number some elements in my article so they can take a vertical shape instead of horizontal. I know it will look neat and more organised in that manner. In anticipation. Thanks.

Ohanwe Emmanuel .I. (talk) 09:49, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I think you're looking for Help:Lists - you can use * for each item in a bulleted list, or # for each item in a numbered list. --ColinFine (talk) 11:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Reference needed?

 * Header added by ColinFine (talk) 11:31, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Is it necessary to add a reference link for edits or changes in literary pages like poetry analysis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rentaile (talk • contribs) 2019-05-17T11:38:48 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. (I added a header to your question). Any information that you add to a Wikipedia article should be derived from a reliable published source. Except in certain contexts, you are not obliged to cite the source, but if you don't, another editor is entitled to remove the information you added, so it saves trouble all round if you cite it in the first place. Note that a citation should give information about the source, the date, the author etc: a link is a helpful convenience, but not the important part of a citation - see Referencing for beginners.
 * One more point: I'm not sure what kind of change you are talking about, but if it involves arguments, theories, interpretations, or conclusions, please be aware that these may be original research, which is not permitted in Wikipedia articles. --ColinFine (talk) 11:41, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Doctors Foster and Smith
I was just reading about this company that I used to buy from. They got sucked up by Petco in Feb 2019. Wiki says it was in 2015. Can someone edit this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:a000:1013:62:6843:56b1:23f3:1bf1 (talk)
 * You may want to suggest this on the talk page of the article, Talk:Petco, where editors that follow that article can see it. 331dot (talk) 14:00, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You are confusing two events. Drs. Foster & Smith correctly says Petco bought them in 2015. Drs. Foster & Smith says Petco closed them in February 2019. Both events are mentioned in . PrimeHunter (talk) 14:07, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Question
Ive made some edits and i've had my account for a long time. Why cant i edit on semi protected items. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petey088 (talk • contribs)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I could give a better answer if I knew which article you were attempting to edit, but there are different levels of protection; if you are autoconfirmed it's 4 days old and 10 edits; if you are extended-confirmed, it's 30 days and 500 edits. 331dot (talk) 14:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Editors are reverting my edit on the page Malakar
The below is a old version of the page written carefully and after through research. The citations were provided as well for the same, but strangely some people are perennially reverting back to something completely different. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malakar&oldid=897518223

The article I had created for the Bengali Hindu surname which is present throughout Bengal and Bangladesh, and also present in Assam, Jharkhand among the Bengali people living there.

The editors are removing the name Bangladesh from the entry, a simple research or google search will prove the existence of Malakar surname throughout Bangladesh. Apart from that, there are legends associated with this surname which I had written as legends only in the main article, and I have taken them from the book The Tribes And Castes Of Bengal: Ethnographic Glossary, Volume 2, by HH Risley. And I don't understand the claim make by some of the editors that the Raj Era books are not reliable sources. Do decides that, on what basis? Iamjfcal (talk) 16:00, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Please continue the discussion on the article's talk page Talk:Malakar, where it is already being discussed. Follow WP:DR dispute resolution steps if needed.  RudolfRed (talk) 16:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Notability of Vijay Kumbhar
Greetings everyone,

I am new to wikipedia and have realised that there are certain aspects I must gain insight on. How do we determine the notability of a living person? There are several newspapers that have covered the subject I wish to write about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PadmashreeGhangale (talk • contribs) 17:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to make it better. Check out WP:NBIO for the guidelines on notability for people, and WP:YFA for how to create an article.  RudolfRed (talk) 17:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Question About Editing A Page
Hello,

There is a page for me on Wikipedia. Years ago (I mean MANY years ago), one of my clients took to Wikipedia to change some things on a few pages. She was actually an academic who used Wikipedia a lot. One of the articles she edited was mine. She thought she was doing me a favor. I don't remember exactly what happened, but there was some sort of brouhaha - I believe the editor thought I was doing it - I know it's against the rules to edit your own page, so - NO - it wasn't me. She was upset, he was upset, I was upset.

There were other editors who were upset with the editor who started the whole ruckus. Some thought he was being way overzealous. There was a bit of commotion among the editors. I have no idea why, but I clearly remember her emailing me that other editors were upset with his decision.

A while later, she tried to edit it when I released new material and it wasn't allowed to go through for some reason. She gave up and told me to tell someone else to update it. That was 4 years ago. The new material absolutely should have been allowed to be added. It's a legitimate, verifiable publication. There was no reason for it not be allowed The page is semi-protected due to whatever it was that went on.

I just left it alone, hoping it would all blow over. Someone who is doing a story on me emailed me about the missing information in Wikipedia. I didn't even want to revisit this, but I've been ignoring it long enough.

Before coming here, I tried to reach out to her to refresh my memory as to what happened (so I could explain it to the Wikipedia Powers That Be), but her email changed and I can't seem to find her. I wanted to get the story before finding someone else to update the page. I am now paranoid about asking anyone to touch it. Because it's semi protected, the only person who can edit is a regular Wikipedia user and I don't know anyone who is. I've been asking around for a while now, but because of what happened, I'm paranoid.

Can someone tell me how to find a regular Wikipedia editor that I don't know - who has ZERO ties to me - a completely neutral 3rd party - to edit it? And how does "semi-protected" affect this search? Is there something I need to tell them? Because it's been 4 years, there's a lot of information missing and I don't want someone else to be thrown in Wikipedia jail.

THANKS! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackieofalltrades123 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you had this bad experience: people often don't understand what Wikipedia is, and plough straight in to editing without realising the possible consequences. Thanks for coming here and asking. It would not be forbidden for you to edit the article about you directly, but it is certainly discouraged. Your best bet would be to suggest the changes you would like to see make: start a new section on the article's Talk page, be as specific as you can (eg "Replace XXX with YYY", or "Delete ZZZ"), and if possible, give a published source for any information you want introduced - if it is a source unconnected with you and your associates, so much the better. Then add edit request (with the double curly brackets) and it will put your request on a list that some editors look at regularly. In time somebody will come and review what you have asked, and decide what changes are appropriate. See WP:BESTCOI for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 20:38, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Go to the talk page of the article about you. Start a new section at the page, and at the top of the section post the code . Below the code, provide the changes you suggest, including independent reliable sources for the information. The code will flag the article as needing attention from an uninvolved editor. Hope that makes sense. --bonadea contributions talk 20:34, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

About User:Cacycle/wikEd
Hello Editors <3

I just got to know about there is full fetched wikitext editor, but I'm not understanding how to use it? can someone explain in local English like the one use to speak, I read the Project page but didn't understand much, so if anyone can explain to me how I can use it to make my editing faster & better that would great for me --WikiLover97 (talk) 09:57, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, Wikilover. Asking that an entire project page be translated into your preferred version of conversational English is a tall order. It would be more productive to ask for the meaning of specific phrases you find hard to parse. And feel free to ask specific questions about the text editor as well.
 * Are you trying to write an article as your first Wikipedia endeavour? Better to start out by observing the editing behavior of others while attempting your own small copyedits of articles you encounter on WP. That way, you gain fluency.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

make a page
how do i start a article myself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmsuf (talk • contribs) 17:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * This should help: Your first article. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:40, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , Deciding to start on a brand-new article with no editing experience is sort of like deciding to take up swimming and tackling the English Channel first. Can it be done? Yes, but highly unlikely. Please consider making simple edits to existing articles 1st.
 * You might also consider starting with The_Wikipedia_Adventure S Philbrick  (Talk)  21:11, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Linking a Page in Edit Summary
I am trying to link a talk page consensus in the edit summary but I am not sure how to do it. I did it twice at random and it worked for another page Jack90s15 (talk) 21:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC) its this I am trying to get linked in the edit summary rm assistant principals per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Schools/Archive_26#Request_for_comments:_What_administrators_to_list_on_school_articles
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Archive 26.-- Moxy 🍁 21:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you I tested it in sandbox and I have it nowJack90s15 (talk) 23:56, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

inexperience with at Templates at baffling issue at Talk:Tom Elliott (radio personality)
I am confused as how to move forward at Talk:Tom Elliott (radio personality) as a variety of issues appear to be arising. X1\ (talk) 19:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , that article provides little evidence that its subject is notable. It has four references: one is to an article he wrote himself, two give "404" messages, and one gives a "DNS failure" message. Unless someone can provide better sources to establish that he's notable, the article is likely to be deleted, making that rather incoherent talk page discussion irrelevant. Maproom (talk) 22:19, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with . I've just spent 15 minutes chasing round the internet to replace one dead link in a rather poor citation about his early life, half of which isn't supported by anything written within the source. If you then can't take enough care to add new sources to further content you want to either add or reinstate about his opinions (which I think removed) by supplying links that actually work, I'm not sure we can help you move anything forward. Fix those first. It does look like you've now received a third opinion. Further views on the article as a whole could then be offered if someone wants to put it forward for a Deletion discussion. I'm not sure it merits retention unless you can significantly improve the page with better content and better inline citations to independent sources to demonstrate that he meets WP:NBIO. It seems his claim to fame is as a minor presenter on a small commercial radio station in Melbourne, based upon one story in the city newspaper which originally created that radio station. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:48, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well this has never happened to me on Wikipedia before and this is seriously concerning. I was in an editing dispute with at Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and found to my surprise that after I had removed some not notable opinions from Tom Elliott (radio personality), X1\ had somehow found themselves on this completely unrelated article provoking another editing dispute with me. I certainly thought that was odd, especially since this would not normally be an issue of any great contention, but then X1\ sought a "third opinion" on the matter and this was provided by none other than the editor who shares the same views with X1\ on the Russian interference article and who had likewise been reverting my edits there as well, . Unsurprisingly, they agreed with them and disagreed with me.
 * It would be fairly straightforward to provide diffs for this but this is very clear, and certainly worrying. Is this something that should be taken to WP:ANI? This has simply never happened to me before so I don't know what to do here. Onetwothreeip (talk) 00:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your efforts. It would appear you both agree is there little evidence that its subject is notable, as I have questioned .  I will consider applying the Template:Article for deletion and attempting that process.  Hopefully it goes better than the Template:Third opinion attempt.  If it gets deleted then the "incoherent talk page discussion irrelevant"ness would be welcome.  A suggestion on the articles Talk page that opinions are often directly requested in the "Active disagreements" section on the Third opinion page maybe be a better route, if I remember that process.  Also, I will consider the WP:RfC process.
 * regarding the "If you then can't take enough care..." comment, I was attempting to improve the Herald Sun item when it was deleted .  I attempted to continue to improve it, but for the 3AW item I didn't get to the followup  to determine its viability, along with others  before the kerfuffle.
 * the Wayback Machine sounds cool, and I'd like to learn more about its uses.
 * Well, thank you both again for the input; I'll continue on at the article. X1\ (talk) 00:22, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you getting these notifications? What I outlined is fairly serious. Onetwothreeip (talk) 04:17, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * yes, I am getting the notifications. But I have no idea on what to do about the issue, or on whether involvement of WP:ANI would be appropriate. Maproom (talk) 07:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I apologise for not responding (perhaps, rather unfairly) in the hope that the other editor might respond first! It looked a complex issue at first sight, and I would have to sit down at a laptop and work carefully through the editing histories and your diffs to properly understand and your concerns, the order of people's edits and then to determine what advice to give you, if any/ANI. I'm afraid I'm unable to commit to that right now, especially as I'm working from a mobile phone which makes complicated investigations a lot harder to manage. As Maproom says, you could ask at WP:ANI for an extra pair of eyes, or could continued monitoring and collating further diffs of unusual editing patterns. I will try and take a look for you myself in a few days time when I can get to a PC, and will say 'sorry' again for not at least giving you the courtesy of the response you deserved from a Teahouse Host. I did remember noting that the third opinion given by another editor did appear to come from one of long standing, and would probably have offered it in all good faith, maybe checking your and the other editor's recent edits and/or disputes, and commenting again there. Following up after resolving one editing dispute by looking at other edits is a common practice that any competent editor might be expected to do, so there's not necessarily anything suspicious, per se, in that. Regards for now, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:59, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I completely understand if others are unable or simply unwilling to read into the details here and I don't presume that I'm entitled to any particular person's attention or effort. I think to be completely expeditious about this, how would you feel to respond to my characterisation of the situation and assume for this purpose that it's correct?
 * There have been editing disputes on a certain article in which myself, X1\ and another editor who I will call Editor M have been involved in, among others. In this case the other editor has the same views as X1\. I had also edited another article of a completely different topic for the first time. This was subsequently reversed by X1\, who had edited this article for the first time. It appeared at least very coincidental that this happened. An editing dispute ensued and X1\ decided to ask for a "third opinion". This never reached the third opinion noticeboard. The "third opinion" was then provided by the Editor M from the first article, which agreed with X1\. This appears to be too much of a coincidence to be reasonable.
 * For these reasons I can't believe that this was at all in good faith, or at least without prejudice. They have also been very dramatic on my user talk page, asserting to myself and to an administrator that they have "warned" me many times of spurious issues. If this is an editor of good standing then that would certainly concur with the precedent that to be in good standing only means that an editor isn't currently blocked from editing.
 * Most of all I am uneasy about initiating a proceeding at WP:ANI if I would otherwise be advised that this should be avoided. I also do not feel that you or anybody in particular is obligated to respond to my query. Onetwothreeip (talk) 10:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Look, you asked for a third opinion on article talk page, and I provided you this opinion - because you asked . You should thank me. That was a reasonable opinion justified by policies. What's the problem? If I was more interested in this subject, I could edit this page or nominate it for deletion (the subject is someone barely notable), and all of that would be just fine. My very best wishes (talk) 18:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That's absurd, and I'm confused why you would lie about something so easily disprovable. I never asked for a third opinion, from you or from anybody. Would you like to explain how you became aware of that article? Furthermore, X1\ three hours ago reversed another edit of mine from January this year on another article that they haven't edited. This is very strange behaviour. Onetwothreeip (talk) 01:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I saw this version of the page and thought it was you who requested 3rd opinion. Was it X1? OK, I am sorry, I did not study editing history of this page. My very best wishes (talk) 01:47, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia article on Lone Sailor Award fails to list several recipients
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Sailor_Award : This page is incomplete, listing award recipients only back to 1993. The US Navy Lone Sailor Award was established in 1987 by the US Navy Memorial, and the recipients of the award which were omitted from the above Wikipedia page are:

1992 President Gerald R. Ford Honorable H. Lawrence Garrett, III

1991 Admiral Arleigh Burke President George H.W. Bush Justice William S. White

1989 Admiral Thomas H. Moorer

1987 Herman Wouk

My information source is: https://www.navymemorial.org/previous-lone-sailor-award-recipients. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.209.55 (talk) 21:16, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please feel free to update that article, citing the source that you mentioned. Thank you for helping to improve the encyclopedia. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  07:53, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello Good people
I just started using wiki for the first time and I am having problem creating my own page. I made it 5 days ago but it is still on draft mode and I dont know how to fix it. Any advice would be nice thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Behroozmm (talk • contribs)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. I assume this is about Draft:Rosenkrantz Jewellery. Unfortunately, your draft is too promotional and is also unsourced, giving little indication of the subject's notability.  It also appears you have a conflict of interest with your association with the business. I recommend you read the following, in order: WP:COI, WP:PROMO, WP:GNG and WP:My first article. Please feel free to help contribute to Wikipedia accordingly - there are lots of things that need volunteers.  Cheers. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  00:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I have deleted that overtly promotional draft. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  07:49, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Please understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and not an advertising medium. If you try to use it to promote your business, you will have a frustrating and uncomfortable time. --ColinFine (talk) 09:00, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

New Member
Hey i'm a new member to Wikipedia. i was just message by another member that told me that my recent edits constitute vandalism. but after i signed up i was ask to do my first edit on Cosequin page. so my question is did i not understand what to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makeroftheuniverse (talk • contribs) 10:00, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , you appear to have accidentally removed references from the article. I don't know why sent such a strong message, but please be more careful next time.  Eman  235 / talk  10:08, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What Makeroftheuniverse did was copy the article text and paste it in again, reference markers and all (but not the actual references) but with the addition of a spammy promotional link. Removing the refs was probably accidental and due to not understanding how references work, but the spam was clearly intentional and required a strongly worded warning. --bonadea contributions talk 10:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Makeroftheuniverse did not add any links. He removed references from the lead and VisualEditor automatically moved their code to a later position where they were also used. Your edit removed all references and links from the lead.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cosequin&diff=prev&oldid=897623866] I also guess this was because you copied the text to another program, edited it and copied it back. That loses all formatting code and many other things when you use VisualEditor. You can only use this method in the source editor. In VisualEditor you can switch to source editing on a pencil icon at the top right. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:34, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I was mistaken - apologies. --bonadea contributions talk 10:57, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Problem with Wikipedia linking to google
Hello

I work for a school called Coleraine Grammar School in Northern Ireand as a teacher and help out with their online presence. However, I am coming across a problem which I am finding frustatingly difficult to fix. I was hoping that someone there could help.

When you search for Coleraine Grammar School on Bing the results work fine with corresponding information about the school in a side panel. However, we I search for it on Google it brings up old information about one of the founding schools. Google appears to link to Wikipedia for this information. I have tried many times with Google to try to get this changed and have tried building a new wikipedia page for the school. However, anytime I try to get it published it gets rejected.

I have been struggling with this problem for about 2 years now so would be greater if anyone could help please.

Dave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmcqstewart46a (talk • contribs) 15:30, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse.  I see what you mean about the Google display, but I don't know how to get them to update their information.  If it's any consolation, I've been trying to correct a typo on Google Maps for the past twelve years, but they just ignore me.  I suppose they will eventually crawl the article and update their display. The article needs some independent references, and I note that you have not yet declared your WP:Paid status as an employee.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  16:05, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Help Creating Wiki Page
Hello, I need help creating a wiki page for an official band with lots of sources. Can anyone help me? I would appreciate it very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freeinformationfront (talk • contribs) 15:37, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the teahouse.  You might like to read WP:NBAND first.  Most bands are not sufficiently WP:Notable to have an article here, but I haven't checked yours.  Can you find independent WP:reliable sources in which the band has been written about at length.  If you can, then the article should summarise in your own words what these sources say.  If you can't, then perhaps it is WP:TOOSOON?   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  15:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi thanks for the welcome. We are a band signed in a medium label in California, we are on Allmusic.com. We cover all the requirements except winning a Grammy. Can you help me? I would appreicate a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freeinformationfront (talk • contribs) 15:56, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . First, you need to realise that telling the world about your band is not what Wikipedia is for. It is an encyclopaedia, which contains neutrally-written articles about notable subjects, based almost entirely on what indpendent sources have published about the subject. Wikipedia has little interest in what the band or its associates have said about it, and no interest at all in what the band wishes to be said about it. If Wikipedia has an article about the band, the article will not belong to the band, and people associated with the band will have no control over its contents, and should limit their involvement to making suggestions for editing the article.
 * Secondly, if you are in any way connected with the band, (as I suspect you are) you should read about editing with a Conflict of interest; and if you are in any sense paid or compensated by the band, you must declare this: see WP:PAID.
 * Thirdly, creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks on Wikipedia: I always advise new editors to get a few hundred constructive edits to existing articles under their belts before they try it. Creating a new article where you have a COI is even harder. In any case, start by reading your first article, and go from there.
 * I'm sorry if this sounds discouraging, but (unless I've misinterpreted your intention) it is meant to be. If you are here to help us improve Wikipedia, you are most welcome. If you are here to publicise your band, then you are embarking on what may be a frustrating experience, and I want to prepare you for it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Very embaRrassing error in naming article. How do I correct this properly (Not a redirect)
I just created a new article for a notable scholar and misspelled the name!!! it has been corrected with a re-direct, but the error is bound to be embaRrassing for the individual concerned as well as for Wikipedia. In my view, very few links to her name would be involved. How can I set things right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by City Bube (talk • contribs) 20:30, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse,.
 * I deleted the redirect and moved the article to the proper title of Reeta Chowdhari Tremblay. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  20:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Edits
Started a few days ago. It seems i contribute, it gets reverted, sometimes in seconds, no explanation. Even while still editing credits and can't figure out why page is different in editor than what shows to me on read. In fact on Single Hitch page, they decided the same old blank page was better as their contribution? Oh but not so quick to answer why. How do we move forward please?Thetreespyder (talk) 07:27, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The pages you have edited are probably on the watchlists of different editors, hence the quick revert. Please discuss your edits on the talk page of the individual articles.  In most cases, explanations were provided in edit summaries.  The stub Single hitch contained no references.  Please read WP:Referencing for beginners.  Not all of your edits have been reverted.  Please ensure that you add appropriate references for future edits, then they are less likely to be reverted.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  08:47, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Thetreespyder welcome to the Teahouse. It was yourself who reverted Single hitch to a redirect.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Single_hitch&diff=897430121&oldid=897390485] We don't write article text after redirect code. Users clicking the redirect are taken to the target of the redirect without seeing the text. An article should have reliable sources satisfying Notability. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:37, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

i am new, and did put the re-direct back on Hitch after other comment made, and so while editing left the re-direct. Then later someone wiped out the Quoted numbers from Ashleys Book of Knots etc. On Taut Line page, the whole paragraph was quotes attributed to ABoK siting the existing reference to the book most properly i believe. Then while building reference to the very first quoted author everything was wiped out for me as i was going back and forth trying to figure out why editor wasn't reading same as page. This was done during 1st edit of the page, while in action/writing on day_1? i believe the part with Ashley quotes was properly done, especially as read other pages. But if removed, should be able to show the quotes themselves as false. Also, perhaps when someone just started on something, and is in mid stroke might be an untimely point to edit.Thetreespyder (talk) 11:32, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The Ashley Book of Knots does not appear to have recent edits. Aare you writing about something else?David notMD (talk) 21:24, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah. Appears you were referencing TABK, not editing. David notMD (talk) 21:43, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

POwered Skateboard Racing
I posted and article about powered skateboard racing now its deleted why — Preceding unsigned comment added by NAPSR Racing (talk • contribs) 19:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I have had to block your account because it violates our policy as the name of a business or organization. Please select another username. I am not able to find any such previous article. There has never been an article called Powered skateboard racing but perhaps the title was a bit different. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  20:27, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Second error that needs to be fixed is that you put the article-type content in your user page User:NAPSR Racing. User pages are for describing yourself vis-a-vis you intentions as a Wikipedia editor. Your sandbox can be used to work on a draft. David notMD (talk) 21:49, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Is it at all necessary to title citations?
Whilst editing pages, I have seen that, when making a citation, the author/editor will sometimes title their citation inside the ', that is only necessary if the same reference is used several times in an article. You'll put the full reference the first time, and then you only need to add when you use the ref in another place in the article. Hope that makes sense! --bonadea contributions talk 21:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)