Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 967

Nausana Article
Adding new section for this question posted above - ClueBot NG needs to be worked on. How did i make a mistake in this? I added a weather section on this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausana. (question asked by User:ShoushaJr in unrelated section above).  Orville1974  (talk) 17:47, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse.  The only reason I can see is that you put the reference before the information.  You can report false positives here.   Dbfirs  17:49, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * It appears that the article has one reliable source only, and no inline citations. Further, the weather data borders on the preposterous and is not found in the cited source. How did this become an article? It isn't ready for article space.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect Details on the "Kalki" article of Wikipedia
In the article Kalki, Under the subheader "Wheel of Time Tantra" under header "Description", it was mentioned that Kalki will take birth to eradiacte the forces of Islam. It's source has been mentioned as some books of western writers but all of us Hindus who revere Kalki as 10th avatar of Lord Vishnu as per Vishnu Purana have no knowledge of any such text. I am reading it for the first time. Vishnu Purana and Kalki Purana was supposed to be written well beyond the origins of Islam and thus have no mentions of Islam. And Kalki is a primary diety in Hinduism and It should be clearly mentioned that in Hinduism, there is no text mentioning the word "Islam" or "Forces of Islam". These lines have been added recently by these writers to spread hatred in society, open another front against one religion.

I have kind suggestion that some Hindu scholars be consulted into the matter as it is grave and serious concern as it pits my religion without any reason against another religion. And if the author can provide any valid book of Hinduism which mentions the word "Islam" or Kalki will take birth to fight Islam, I am ready to accept it. Shame on the people who did this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.25.170.226 (talk) 03:34, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi IP, I personally know very little about Hinduism, but I agree that this is a suspicious claim.  I would suggest tracking down the sources that are cited, and seeing if they actually support that claim, or if they're just red herrings. If they do support the claim, try to assess if they're reliable, possibly starting a discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard. Also, start a discussion on Talk:Kalki so that editors interested in the article can help out. signed,Rosguill talk 03:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That having been said, looking through the history of the page, it appears that this content was actually added by a highly respected editor who has been praised specifically for the contributions they have made to articles about Hinduism. Moreover, looking at the page more carefully, it appears that the "Wheel of Time" is a Buddhist text, so it appears that no one is saying that Hinduism says anything about Islam. signed,Rosguill talk 03:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Looking at the edit history, this content appears have been inserted and removed repeatedly for at least the past six months. The book was written in 2015 (and published by Princeton Press).  I recommend discussing this content's inclusion on the talk page of the article, here: Talk:Kalki.  Orville1974  (talk) 03:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Died vs. Passed Away
Hello, I am a pending changes reviewer, I came upon this article and found here that an editor had changed all the uses of the word "died" to "passed away". Is there a policy that determines how Wikipedia uses euphemisms of words such as "died"? Thanks!! Mgasparin (talk) 04:23, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Not that I have heard of, but here are some ideas if you're looking for variety: List of English-language euphemisms for death (my attempt at humour).  Orville1974  (talk) 04:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You should definitely revert that. This is an encyclopedia and we state facts. I cannot think of the policy or guideline that covers that either, . Perhaps WP:EUPHEMISM? Upon checking, that is it. Glad I could help. John from Idegon (talk) 04:42, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . It's not a policy per se but rather part of WP:MOS; you can find it at WP:EUPHEMISM. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:44, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Draft.article Sinfonia Latina refrences
Hello I have digital copies from three different news publications dated in May 1976. I wish to use these to reference the article I have been working on. Can I upload them to wikimedia commons so that they may be viewed by anyone. They are copyright free as I have full front page. Of publications authors name date and page. Any suggestions as to the proper way to do this is greatly appreciated Deanna Coakley 05:49, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi No, you should just cite the source without uploading an image of the content (like you would if you were citing a source for a book or other source not available online).  This link may help with the details of what to include in your citation: WP:Citing sources.   Orville1974  (talk) 05:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello! I would like to undertake a translation of a timely article from Russian into English!
I would like to translate this page into English:
 * ru:Дело Ивана Голунова
 * https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE_%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0

However, I cannot create a new page until I've been autoactivated. Do you think this is a good idea? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarikistar (talk • contribs) 06:48, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi As the topic is a current event, it seems that unless you or another Russian speaker are willing to keep it frequently updated, the article may become inaccurate/out-of-date quickly. If you'd still like to create the article anyway, here's a guide on translating articles into English:  WP:Translation.  You can use this link to start the article: WP:Article wizard.  Orville1974  (talk) 06:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Editing and outdated template that has been protected
The template for "Lists of classical music composers by eras" that appears at the upper right of several Wikipedia articles or lists is partly out of date. I cannot find a URL for the template, but I have provided the full title of the template in the first sentence just above. Wikipedia lists now exist for composers of the Modernist and Postmodern eras, and these need to be added to the template. I would update the template myself if the customary V.T.E. buttons were at the bottom, but they are missing and I know of no other way to do the edit. Maybe some editor or administrator has protected the template from being updated by registered users like myself. How do I go about obtaining a change to this protected template that I'm blocked from editing myself? Many thanks! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 09:12, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you mean Composers by era? It doesn't seem protected.... --CiaPan (talk) 09:17, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 could not find the page. If you click the "Edit" tab at List of 20th-century classical composers to edit the whole page including the lead then it says  near the top. This means Template:Composers by era is used. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:24, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably it was meant to be List of classical music composers by era (two superfluous &apos;s&apos; were appended to the first and the last word in the page title.) --CiaPan (talk) 09:30, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

I did misprint the title of the template, it should be "List of classical music composers by era". The template has no V.T.E at the bottom, which tells me it's a protected template that I'm blocked from editing myself. Can anyone tell me how to submit an edit request to have the template updated by an authorized Wikipedian? ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 09:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, . The presence or absence of VTE links has nothing to do with protection, it's just a template definition which either contains them or not. And as I said above, the template Composers by era is not protected. Just click the link and edit. --CiaPan (talk) 10:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi CiaPan; I think I can do it now using the link you provided. I couln't previously find the link on my own, so thanks for providing me with it here! ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 10:24, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Created Pages Moved To Draft?
I recently created 3 new pages (2019-20 FA Cup Qualifying Round, 2019-20 FA Trophy and 2019-20 FA Vase) thse were then moved to Draft as they lacked and do "not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published." I then added a source (the only one available at the moment for each page and yet again they were moved to Draft.

If that's the case can you then please tell me why the pages for 2018-19 FA Trophy and 2018-19 FA Vase remain available to be published as the first page only has one linked reference and the last one has none?
 * "Other stuff exists" is never a valid argument for justifying an article. At times, providing examples leads to those being nominated for deletion. David notMD (talk) 11:34, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

code written in – to submit an article
Hello, I want to ask about "what is the one line code inside –  to be placed at the top of an article to be submitted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by  Aadilghb (talk • contribs) 10:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, ! The code you need to put at the top of your Draft page is . --CiaPan (talk) 11:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * If you mean the Draft:Muhammad Aadil, its tone and referencing will have to be substantially improved before the draft can be accepted. Also some placeholders must be either converted into a valid information or removed (e.g., nowiki-ed Image reference and children list). --CiaPan (talk) 11:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ...as well as the sorting key. :( CiaPan (talk) 11:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

How to enable Twinkle
How do I enable twinkle? I cannot find it in the Gadgets section. TIA --CanadaEdits (talk) 13:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It should be in the section "Browsing", towards the bottom. However I notice that you only signed up yesterday, so it may not be available until you achieve auto confirmed status in another three days. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * what number would it be in "Browing" TIA CanadaEdits (talk) 14:00, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It'll be the eleventh option under "Browsing" and it should mention "Twinkle" on it like it does on my preferences page. Regards ImpWarfare (talk) 14:17, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * But it is indeed omitted for CanadaEdits who is not autoconfirmed. The Twinkle entry at MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition says . By the way, it's number thirteen under "Browsing" for me because I also see two gadgets with  . PrimeHunter (talk) 14:43, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes and MarnetteD
Being a newbie - not knowing how to thank you.

Shortly my book "OUR MUSICAL SPHERE" will be out and the 2 of you purchase the book and help spread the word of "Caribrock". Thank you for responding about trying to start a new music genre, your help may become part of how Caribbean Rock can start. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J.R. john Weldon (talk • contribs) 18:02, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . All registered Wikipedia accounts have a user page and a corresponding user talk page; so, if you'd like to leave a message for a particular editor, you can post it on their user talk page. The user talk pages for and  are User talk:Nick Moyes and User talk:MarnetteD. I have, however, pinged them just to let them know that you've posted something for them at the Teahouse. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message . Best of luck with your book. Thanks to you for the ping. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 15:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Music genres
I thought I had posted here on June 7th - but I do not see it!! Perhaps I did not follow up with the blue "publish changes" ?? Hi, I have, I belief, a new genre of music that I am about to present with the help of a book that is in he hands of a publishing companies editing department. I have been a musician for 30+- years, The genre has some"cousins" like most genres. The genre I want to build is Caribbean Rock, not to be confused with Reggae Rock, or a few other genres that might sound the same.

The sound is not Jimmy Buffet, or Beach Boys, or a true Bob Marley, but a harder combination of rock and reggae: like throwing together Van Halen and Bob Marley.

I have heard just a few tunes that can fit into this sound, I have a few that I would like to present to this genre, and with that combination I believe that the sound could and should be in it's own genre.

My question, would this be a worthwhile cause? 06/10/19 — Preceding unsigned comment added by J.R. john Weldon (talk • contribs) 14:45, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi yes, you did post but it looks like you forgot to log in - your question was answered, but has since been archived. You'll find the thread here: Teahouse/Questions/Archive_965%23Music_genres. If you have followup questions or comments you can add them to this thread (not to the archived obe). Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 14:52, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You actually posted here at 18:21 on 6 June 2019. You had two replies, also on 6 June, but with no further activity the thread was archived here.  When posting a question you need to check back over the next few days.  Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)


 * There might be a disfunction of here (bot which I am the maintainer of). The thread was posted under IP  on June 6, was archived by this edit on June 9, but no Muninnbot notification was sent. I do not see any obvious cause for that failure (IP has a clean block log, edit summary of thread posting is well-formatted), and I cannot promise a quick investigation or resolution.
 * , (and other Teahouse responders): if you run into another "thread archived mystery" question in the future, please ping me so that I know something is afoot. I might not monitor all Teahouse threads, so I have to rely on some crowd effort for bug reporting. (If you have time, leave me a talk page notice with thread name, link to archive, posting user, dates etc.; but I do understand that would be a lot of effort, just a ping is already good.)  Tigraan Click here to contact me 15:36, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, help to write the article correctly.
Hello, help to write the article correctly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Phil_Mezcal This article is rejected due to insufficient evidence from reliable sources. What changes need to be made? An article about a creative person - a musician who can, if necessary, present the evidence you need. thank — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paoloarmani (talk • contribs) 12:55, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No references = rejected. David notMD (talk) 01:58, 9 June 2019 (UTC)


 * David notMD's explanation is a bit laconic. In more details: sources closely associated with the topic of an article make very bad references on Wikipedia, and do not count towards the "notability" of the subject. Notability, in Wikipedia parlance, is a criterion for an article to exist that means roughly "has been written about at length by multiple independent reliable sources", rather thanthe colloquial meaning of "worthy of attention". The typical example of such sources for musicians would be mainstream press reviews. Tigraan Click here to contact me 15:52, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

change my username
✅ Can you please assist me in changing my username? Thanks kindly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Films1921 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi You can request a new username by following the instructions here: WP:Changing username. If it's a straightforward name change, the blue button in the center of this page will get the process started:  WP:Changing username/Simple.  Orville1974  (talk) 05:48, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks. I read that earlier, and am still confused after reading it again. I still don't know how to actually change my username, are there actual steps to follow? Thanks for your time. Films1921 (talk) 05:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * After you click the blue button at this link: WP:Changing username/Simple, a screen appears with safesubst:Renameuser CURRENT=subst:REVISIONUSER --The "subst:REVISIONUSER" will automatically fill in your username -- please do not touch it! -- NEW=type the name you want here REASON=type the reason you are changing your name here
 * Once you fill in the areas in italic bold above, scroll down and click the blue publish button. That will send your request in.  It takes a few days for everything to process.  You can return to that page to check on the status.  Orville1974  (talk) 06:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi I see your username change just got approved.  That was fast!  Orville1974  (talk) 16:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

How to create a new page
I would like to add a page about author S.D. Smith, but can't figure out how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrandmasterCheckmate (talk • contribs) 16:24, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that successfully creating a new Wikipedia article is probably the hardest task on Wikipedia.  It takes much time and practice.  You may find it helpful to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia and how it works.  New users are much more successful when they start small and make small edits to existing articles first, which helps them to learn about the process and what is being looked for in articles.  They then gradually work up to more substantive edits and finally article creation.
 * However, if you still want to attempt to create an article, you should first see if the author meets Wikipedia's special definition of notable author, written at WP:AUTHOR. If they do, then you may want to read Your First Article to learn about the process.  You can then use Articles for Creation to submit a draft for a review by another editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia, so you can get feedback before it is created, instead of after. You will need to gather any independent reliable sources that give significant coverage to this author, at least three is usually considered a good guide. And if you have any additional questions, please ask. 331dot (talk) 16:33, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Alina von Davier
I submitted an article for a Living Person, Alina von Davier. She is a psychometrician who is widely published and recognized as a pioneer in computational psychometrics, a specialized field of psychometrics. Dr. Von Davier is the president of the International Association for Computerized Adaptive Testing among many other titles and positions.

I edited the original submission and resubmitted 37 days ago. Do I need to ping a reviewer? Or when can I expect the revised article to be reviewed? Atomburke1 (talk) 21:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * there may be a backlog, suggesting you will have to wait. My personal take is that the sourcing is currently too light - someone with more experience researching how many times her work is cited may be able to help. For other interested editors, here's a link to the draft. You'll also want to read WP:NACADEMIC. In particular, "The most typical way of satisfying Criterion 1 is to show that the academic has been an author of highly cited academic work – either several extremely highly cited scholarly publications or a substantial number of scholarly publications with significant citation rates. Reviews of the person's work, published in selective academic publications, can be considered together with ordinary citations here. Differences in typical citation and publication rates and in publication conventions between different academic disciplines should be taken into account." TimTempleton <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:39, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you TT. Per Google scholar, her work has been cited over 2000x and she has authored over 400 entries (books and articles). Here's the link to Dr. Von Davier's Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C16&q=Alina+von+Davier&btnG=

Do I need to list a number of the significant articles and books? Atomburke1 (talk) 14:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Scholarly articles are a bit out of my wheelhouse, but if I was trying to improve the article, I'll look at similar articles and see how the sourcing is done to integrate the scholarly work. In terms of notability, if this were nominated for deletion, simply having the scholarly citation counts might be enough for some to vote keep. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:36, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

How to create list with two columns?
✅ Couldn't find a good template for it. I've created List of protests in the 21st century and I need a template that automatially puts the lists in two columns --<b style="color:#000000;font-family:Rockwell;">Bageense</b><sup style="color:#AA0000;">(disc.) 16:58, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Does the guidance here help:  Template:Col-2?  Orville1974  (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's almost what I wished. I didn't want to add col-break. I wanted it to be automatic. In the portuguese there is the template pt:Predefinição:Duas colunas that does that automatically, but there appears to be no equivalent in english. --<b style="color:#000000;font-family:Rockwell;">Bageense</b><sup style="color:#AA0000;">(disc.) 17:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Then I think you may be looking for this perhaps? Template:Div col  Orville1974  (talk) 17:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes yes yes! I had forgotten the name of the template, thanks! --<b style="color:#000000;font-family:Rockwell;">Bageense</b><sup style="color:#AA0000;">(disc.) 17:11, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Question about translation indication
✅ Good afternoon!

I contributed to translate this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fausto_Olivares I used the French version of it as a reference: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fausto_Olivares

It was written that I had to add this sentence somewhere:

'Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at fr:Fausto Olivares; see its history for attribution. ' I put it at the end of the article but the layout doesn't look good at all and I am not sure where I am supposed to put that sentence.

Thank you so much for your help!

Hippolyte Hippolyte sans MS (talk) 17:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hippolyte sans MS (talk • contribs) 16:16, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi I've moved the template to the talk page and added an edit summary to the article that shows the article was translated from the French version. Thank you!  Orville1974  (talk) 16:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . That sentence is supposed to be used as an edit summary when you're adding the translated material, rather than being placed in the article body. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:53, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you confirm whether you translated the article from French or Spanish, ? In the summary for this edit, you stated it was translated from the Spanish article. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:44, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your answers! Yes it's a mistake, I translated it from the French article. I was double-checking always what was written on the Spanish page too so I wrote "Spanish" by mistake. Thank you for your precious help! Hippolyte sans MS (talk) 17:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Article creation (notability concerns)
✅ Last year, a band released an orchestral album, which was notable enough to warrant its own article. This year, they released another album, but it has the same track listing as the orchestral album (excluding 2 songs) and (as of today) it doesn't have as much independent sources surrounding it. This album is not orchestral, but it has extended re-recorded versions of the previous songs.

Is it more appropriate for this information to be within the orchestral album's article or in its own article? If the former is preferred, on the discography page should a link to the new album be a redirect to the orchestral page or a standard "Orchestralalbum#newalbumsection" link? Thanks. Bahiagrass (talk) 16:36, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi If i'm understanding your question correctly, it isn't ready for its own article yet.  A link from the new album redirecting to the old may be confusing as well.  This is only my opinion based on the details in the question, but I wouldn't include a link at all in the discography.  Orville1974  (talk) 16:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it should be included somewhere, since it's still technically a release and the band is embarking on a tour with the same name. Perhaps giving it a few sentences in the orchestral article would make more sense for now considering how closely tied they are, or would that still be confusing? Bahiagrass (talk) 17:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Does the band have its own article? If so, perhaps a mention there.  If not, then your idea of a mention of the release of a second similar album with almost identical tracks, in the orchestral article (with a proper source) sounds less confusing than a redirect.  Orville1974  (talk) 17:53, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, they do have their own article. I'll place the information in both pages. Thanks! Bahiagrass (talk) 18:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Why is there image attribution to the photographer in Wikipedia portal topics?
Hello Teahouse: Why do Wikipedia portal topics (example: Alberta Portal) and the Wikipedia portal template allow name attribution for the photographer who took the image, while Wikipedia regular and portal topics do not? Just curious... I personally find the name attribution to be distracting from the image but I am sure there is a Wikipedian logic I am not aware of --GRDN711 (talk) 02:30, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the TeaHouse.  The question of attributing the photograher is not a matter of which page it is displayed on; it is determined by the copyright status of the image.  Many are "free images", meaning they can be used freely without attribution.  But some images do require attribution, no matter where they are used.  So when you use an image on a page, you need to check what licence it has and use the image accordingly.  The different licencing options are listed at File copyright tags. --Gronk Oz (talk) 07:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That particular photo is in the public domain, according to its details. Really don't think the name should be there. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 07:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Portal:Alberta has changing selected content and a button "Refresh with new selections below (purge)", so I don't know which picture you refer to. If it's displayed in the "Selected picture" box then it's similar to the "Today's featured picture" box on Main Page where the author is also credited. Per MOS:CREDITS we generally don't credit the author in articles where images are used as illustrations of other content. A featured/selected picture is different: The picture is the content. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:37, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Aha, so that's why. Nothing to do with the licence, then. Thanks PrimeHunter. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 13:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Teahouse. --GRDN711 (talk) 19:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Harmonic number edit war
I have stopped it now, don't want to engage in an edit war. Let me know on my talk page if you think I should add a piece talking about new formulae for the harmonic numbers.

It's a pretty interesting formula, and though I agree it'd be best coming from a non author, we all know many authors give their work a little push in wikipedia, to say otherwise is hipocrisy.

Jrsousa2 (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)Jrsousa2

Of course the edit will be a very succinct summary of this paper.


 * Hi As the other editor has asked, please discuss this on the article's talk page here: Talk:Harmonic number in order to come to a consensus WP:Consensus following the concept of WP:BRD.  Orville1974  (talk) 21:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

First article declined (GNG)
So my first article was declined (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Last_Oasis). Comment only said "Does not show it meets GNG yet". I am fairly certain the two sources meet those but I am probably missing something.


 * I would guess that the reviewer felt that the coverage in the cited sources was too routine to be considered significant. Their content is basically just an announcement of a future release and contains essentially no independent analysis of the subject. Two sources is also on the low side and probably didn't help the article's chances of being approved. signed,Rosguill talk 21:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Both of the sources are announcements about the upcoming release of the game.  In order to meet WP:GNG and/or WP:NVG (the notability guidelines for video games), you will need to provide independent, third-party sources that are talking about the game in depth. It seems like it may be too early for this article (see WP:NOTPRESSRELEASE).  Orville1974  (talk) 21:12, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * You are probably right then. The game is under NDA at the moment so it is impossible to find an in-depth review of the game. So its not possible to find a "significant" source then. --JakePotrebic (talk) 21:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not yet. When enough coverage exists for it to meet WP:NVG consider resubmitting it then.  I noticed you've already resubmitted it, but I recommend removing the submission template for now to allow time for the article to develop before it's rejected again by another reviewer (and to allow them more time to review other articles that may be ready for the mainspace).  Orville1974  (talk) 21:19, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

My Userpage was declined
✅ Hi all,

I am new to wiki and super duper confused. I thought I made a userpage for me, but it was declined. I recognize that it wasn't very substantial, but I don't want to be very detailed. Is it necessary to have a userpage/what do I have to do in order to get it accepted. Perhaps I was not making userpage?

This is what I had: Magnovby is a wiki editor based on the third planet from the Sun, Earth.

What do?! Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnovby (talk • contribs) 18:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * You should not submit your user page, quite correctly rejected it as unsuitable for inclusion in the main encyclopaedia.  Your user page exists only in user page space and you can edit it directly.  Go to User:Magnovby and add content, publish and your page will be created.  Please remember that this is a page about your Wiki-related activities, not a social medium where all sorts of self-promotional irrelevance can be added.  Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:52, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi  After I left a note on your talk page, I realised what you were talking about.  I've moved the user page you created in your sandbox to your actual user page site.  Now when people click on your name, the page you created will be the first page they see.  This reference will help you if you wish to make further edits to your user page User pages.  Happy editing!  Orville1974  (talk) 21:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Ah, okay! I see your meaning, Martin of Sheffield. Thanks for clarifying. Orville1974, thanks for your help! --Magnovby (talk) 23:03, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Dr.Krishna Ballesh
Thank you Tea House for inviting me here please guide me how to improve this article further

Dr. Krishna Ballesh (born Krishna Ballesh Bhajantri 5 November 1982) is an Indian Shehnai Player and also a Classical Hindustani Vocalist, Playback Singer and Ghazal Singer. He is son and disciple of famous Shehnai player Pandit Dr. S.Ballesh and disciple Ustad Bismillah Khan and Ustad Rashid Khan.

(Om1958 (talk) 18:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC))


 * Hi Creating a new Wikipedia article is probably the most difficult task on Wikipedia. This new user tutorial will help you learn more about Wikipedia and how it works.  I recommend starting small, by making edits to existing articles first, which will help you learn how the process and policies work, especially what we call general notability guidelines and how we determine if a source is reliable.  Understanding these will help you make more substantial edits to Wikipedia, and eventually prepare you to create a new article.  If you still want to jump right in, Your First Article will explain how to create your first article (after you've determined that your subject meets WP:NMUSIC and/or WP:GNG requirements).  Articles for Creation will walk you through the process of submitting a draft for review and feedback, before it is moved into the encyclopedia.  I recommend that when you're ready to begin, start by writing the article by paraphrasing/summarizing the content in your own words of at least three independent, third-party sources (WP:RS).  Happy editing!  Orville1974  (talk) 22:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, don't put your proposed content here in Teahouse. Use your own Sandbox or start a draft and post here where to see it. David notMD (talk) 00:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Can I Copy?
Hello! So, I'm creating an article on Walter J. Winnett and have found some useful information that would easily suit the article I'm writing in Winnett, Montana's Wikipedia Page. I am wondering: A. If this should be on the town's page                                                                                                                                                                                                 B. Can I copy it onto the page                                                                                                                                                                                                           C. If A is a no, does that change the answer? (For future experience)

Also, if I am allowed to copy the writing, how would I cite that, as it's not my writing. Thanks!

The text I want to copy: "Winnett ran away from home as a boy, seeking adventure in "Indian country." His excellent marksmanship abilities helped him get jobs with outfits who were always looking for someone who could keep them in fresh meat. When he was captured by Sioux Indians and later adopted into the tribe, he was given the name Eagle Eyes because of his remarkable shooting skills.

Winnett established a ranch in Montana Territory in 1879 near an active trading post and the Hangman's Tree used by vigilantes in the area. The massive ranch house, which he built in 1900 housed his own family and served as a gathering place for the community. Dances, weddings, funerals, church services, and school were all held here. Billings was the closest town, so Winnett built up a freight line business to haul supplies. Each of his outfits consisted of ten to twenty horses and huge wagons. In 1910 he built a store and petitioned for a post office.[5]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavinxps (talk • contribs) 23:52, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi -
 * A. It appears to be unsourced, so I recommend adding a citation needed tag to alert other editors and give them time to find sources.
 * B. WP:CIRCULAR explains why you shouldn't copy the information and why other Wikipedia articles are not considered a reliable source; however, there is quite a lot of information on Walter J Winnett starting on page 55, here; Scholar's Bank, University of Oregon.  You may be able to find reliable sources by pulling up wherever the inline citations lead.
 * C. No, it doesn't due to the WP:CIRCULAR issue  Orville1974  (talk) 00:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . from a copyright standpoint, content found on one Wikipedia page can sometimes be copied and pasted onto another Wikipedia, but Wikipedia's licensing requirements require that proper attribution be made in certain cases. You can find out some more about this in Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia.From a contextual standpoint, copying content from one Wikipedia page to another might not actually improve the reader's understanding. Wikipedia article's are intended to be written in a summary style; so, content found in one article might be too broad or general (or conversely too detailed and specific) to be suitable for use in another article. Then, there is also the problems of sourcing (particularly when dealing without articles about living persons). As pointed out above, Wikipedia articles aren't considered to be reliable sources for any purpose per WP:WPNOTRS; so, simply taking unsourced content from one article and adding it to another (even if properly attributed) is not a really good idea. Sources cited in one article can (if reliable) be used in other articles and the relevant content can even be re-written in your own words, but it has to be encyclopedically relevant to what's being discussed. Not everything true about a subject needs to be included in an article per WP:NOTEVERYTHING and in many cases simply adding a Wikilink to another article (where more specific details can be found) is more than sufficient. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Need help to locate help
I needed to find something and thought maybe this is the best place. So, English isn't my first language and I'm not very fluent in it. Where can I find someone who'll be kind enough to check an article for grammar/spelling mistakes? WP:TYPO comes to mind. Do I approach a random editor in it? Peer review doesn't really work, it's good for maybe articles that're already great. Is there a Wikiproject or just some editor who can help me with grammar/spelling and other obvious mistakes that I would've made? The page I need help with is List of dzongkhags of Bhutan. Regards, TryKid (talk) 01:23, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. The go-to resource for getting an article checked like that (at least for me) is the Guild of Copy Editors. I have tagged the page for copy editing, and it should be checked soon. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for tagging it, Danny. I'm very grateful. Guild of Copy Editors is going to be my go to now. :) TryKid (talk) 02:29, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

How can I make a link appear on this article?
✅ Hello! On the template of the article Sierra Leone Colony and Protectorate under the coat of arms there's a link which directs to Coat of Arms of Sierra Leone. But the text under the flag doesn't link to Flag of Sierra Leone. Could someone fix this, please? Thank you. –Sullay (Let's talk about it) 03:06, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi The Coat of Arms has a Wikipedia article, so the Wikilink takes the reader to the article.  The Flag of Sierra Leone used in the infobox is the one used from 1916-1961, which doesn't have its own article, so I directed the Wikilink under the flag graphic in the infobox to the historical flags section of Flag of Sierra Leone.  Orville1974  (talk) 03:32, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

How to move?
✅ Hello! I am just wondering if how I will move a page (rename) but there's already one and it's empty, it's redirected. MysteryHandsome (talk) 03:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)MysteryHandsomeMysteryHandsome (talk) 03:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi What's the page you're trying to move, and where are you trying to move it?   Orville1974  (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Well the page List of Kadenang Ginto episodess, was gonna rename it to List of Kadenang Ginto episodes but it says it has already a name but no article. MysteryHandsome (talk) 03:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC)MysteryHandsomeMysteryHandsome (talk) 03:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The current redirect has some underlying history. It appears the old article was wiped and redirected for being created too soon this past October. Since the target page exists, you'll need to request a technical move here:  Requested moves/Technical requests.  Orville1974  (talk) 04:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you so much ma'am! MysteryHandsome (talk) 04:16, 12 June 2019 (UTC)MysteryHandsomeMysteryHandsome (talk) 04:16, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I see the move has just been completed. Happy editing!  Orville1974  (talk) 04:40, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Can another editor removed content that is agreed upon on the talk page but that dislikes and claims is unsoured even though there are inline citations?
✅ Just wondering if we can help reach broader consensus about the horrors that happened to the students at Salesian College Preparatory and other issues on the article.Ndołkah (talk) 18:31, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi John from Idegon has given you some good advice.  Content disputes should be discussed on the article talk page here: Talk:Salesian College Preparatory. Following WP:BRD, you're expected to discuss why you believe the content should be in the article, including why you believe the sources are reliable WP:RS.  Orville1974  (talk) 21:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok i appreciate it and i didn't know i had to explain why but i did mention for posterity as an example also that editor has not participatedin the discussion the only other one who has gave me the green light to add the content from the San Francisco Chronicle a major independent newspaper for the region. How do i explain that something is RS when RS already says newspapers are prime examples thereof?Ndołkah (talk) 01:39, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * HI I've left some further guidance on your talk page on approaches to use when seeking consensus with fellow editors.  Since this relates to the inclusion/exclusion of content in a particular article, let's continue the discussion there rather than here.  Thank you!  Orville1974  (talk) 02:38, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok no problem ThankiesNdołkah (talk) 05:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

About Wikipedia's Reference
Can I use journal or newspapers (written in Burmese) links as Wikipedia references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartburmese (talk • contribs) 06:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . Non-English can be cited in Wikipedia article as explained in Wikipedia:Verifiability though sources written in English tend to be preferred; however, the source still needs to meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source regardless of what language it's in. Moreover, since this is English Wikipedia and articles are written in English, you may be asked to provide a translation of the source (or at least the relevant part of the source) if someone decides to challenge the accuracy of the source. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:12, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Do we allow articles for planned metro line?
It seems to me that there is just too little to write about the station before it's built, and usually with one citation links to the plan, however some editor believe it is going to be built anyway so it better be there. Is there any existing policy I can refer to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viztor (talk • contribs)


 * Hello, . Does WP:CRYSTALBALL help? Certainly "it is going to be built anyway so it better be there" is not a valid argument. --ColinFine (talk) 22:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah, probably. Thanks. Though I feel bad because it seems they created an article for each station in the plan and we are going to remove all of them. Viztor (talk) 02:16, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , whether or not we have an article is not related to the subject matter but to the volume of reliable sources covering the subject. That being said, if you are talking about a planned project, it's generally prudent to wait until the money is appropriated. Until the dough is there, projects have a nasty habit of falling victim to political changes. John from Idegon (talk) 04:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the latter part of what . Metro projects are usually such big beasts that they get covered in the media at fairly early stages, and such projects are usually notable even (or especially) if they get cancelled. For instance, we do have an article about the CDG Express, even though the transports ministry recently announced construction would be postponed so much that it would not be operational by the 2024 Summer Olympics (which are another example of an event that is notable and almost certain to take place).
 * Of course, although it means metro projects can get articles before the opening day, it does not mean we should state "the metro will open by date X" in Wikipedia's voice. Instead, we should carefully attribute statements - i.e. on day X, person Y said it would be operational by date Z (ref). Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 15:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll certainly defer to, who has much more experience on railroad related subjects than I. It's funny...I came to Wikipedia 8 years ago with the intention of editing primarily on railroad related subjects. Other than watching a handful of Chicago area roads for vandalism, I don't edit on railroad topics at all. John from Idegon (talk) 17:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I strongly doubt I have more experience than you on railroad subjects! I just happened to have a different view of WP:CRYSTAL, and a quick check (on a subject that was recently in the local news) supported my view. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 07:47, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Submitted first article! Nervous and any tips on improving it?
Hi fellow Teahouse friends!

I just submitted my first wikipedia article and I'm pretty nervous, it's about a pioneering dance called boogaloo that's the forefather of lots of street dances today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Boogaloo_(dance)

Any tips I should think about regarding Structure/Flow of article, Notability or Citations I should be mindful of? Thank you so much!
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I am 67 years old and lived in Detroit for 20 years and the San Francisco/Oakland Bay Area since then. So, yes, I think the topic is notable but I have some concerns about your draft. Most of your references are not readily available online. Although this is not mandatory, it is unusual for an article about a popular culture topic to be presented this way. If more readily accessible reliable sources are available, they should be used instead. Significant sections of your draft are unreferenced. This usually indicates original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. As a Wikipedia editor, you must set aside everything that you know personally about the topic, and limit yourself strictly to summarizing what published reliable sources say about the topic. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:49, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , are you familiar with our existing article Electric boogaloo (dance)? Is there really a need for a separate article, or can your content be added to that existing article? As a general rule, we do not have two articles about the same topic. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * In case you're wondering what happened, I have removed the wikilink to your draft that you added to, which is currently being used to create the Infobox in related articles. We do not ever link to draft articles from mainpace articles or templates as there is no guarantee that the draft will ever make it. Sending readers to a deleted page would be pointless. I'm not saying this will happen in your case, but I do need you to understand why the link to Boogaloo must remain a redlink for now. Alternatively you can remove it entirely until such time as the article makes it into the main part of our encyclopaedia. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

New article doesn't show up on Google search
I made a new article, but it doesn't show up when I tried to search it on Google. I didn't know how to submit it for a review at the time, so I just moved it to become an article. How to get it to show up on Google search? Should I move it to become a draft again and then submit it for a review? Carfan568 (talk) 07:53, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and thanks for calling in at the Teahouse pitstop. No article, be it one submitted for review via Articles for Creation, or moved directly into mainspace, will appear on Google searches until such time as it has been 'patrolled' by the New Page Patrol team. Even then, it may still take a while for Google to crawl our site and index an article. Yours does look a well-structured and referenced article, so I'm sure it'll be picked up and passed by the NPP team quite quickly. Other articles - especially those that seem promotional and badly referenced may take a lot longer - up to a couple of months sometimes. Hope this helps,
 * Fixing ping. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:36, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

How to link to wiki pages in other languages
Hello everyone!

I'm editing (and translating) articles in French, Spanish and English and I always face the same issue: how can I link a word to a wiki page in another language?

In the code editor, I put { { l i n k |(page in foreign language)| t r a d=(translation in english) } } and it doesn't work. (without the spaces; I added them so you can see the code I'm using)

Thank you in advance for your help!

Hippolyte sans MS (talk) 11:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * See ill for the easiest way to do this. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:55, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much! That's exactly what I needed! Hippolyte sans MS (talk) 13:07, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up to Editing and Sharing a new Page
Is it possible to modify the username of the USER account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Consules MUN (talk • contribs) 13:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi You can request a new username by following the instructions here: WP:Changing username. If it's a straightforward name change, the blue button in the center of this page will get the process started: WP:Changing username/Simple.  Orville1974  (talk) 14:11, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

About My Village
Hello; I created an article about a village named "Padaingdaw". Could you check whether I used reliable references or not and any mistakes from my creation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartburmese (talk • contribs) 06:23, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * - my draft link
 * Hi You've submitted this draft for review.  It may take a while, but a reviewer will provide feedback once they have a chance to look at it.  Orville1974  (talk) 14:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

GitHub an OK source for FOSS?
Writing on behalf of Draft:Youtube-dl - right now most of the page content comes from the software's pages on GitHub. I'm presuming that since these are first-party sources, they are not valid. If I cite an archived version, is that OK? Or do I need to find secondary sources (after all, those sources will just be citing the GitHub page again)? Shindo Nana talk? 09:47, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Wikipedia is not interested in anything said about the subject of an article by the subject or people closely associated with them. As you suggest, material from GitHub might be acceptable as primary source, but that can be used only to add a small amount of uncontroversial factual information to an article otherwise based on independent sources - dates, places etc. Unless you can find several places where people unconnected with the software have chosen to publish about it at some length, then it is simply not notable, and no article about it will be accepted however it is written. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)