Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 968

University of my town,
I have created a Page of My University with Reliable Sources, there is no article of my University in Wikipedia so i have created a Article about the newly formed Rabindranath Tagore University, Hojai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bengal18 (talk • contribs) 04:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * HI There is already an article about Hojai College.  Is the college just changing its name?  Orville1974  (talk) 05:19, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Possibly not 'just changing its name', but apparently it is a continuation – the new wanna-be article says Rabindranath Tagore University, Which was Previously Known as Hojai college' (...) Additionally both Hojai College and User:Bengal18/sandbox refer to the same WWW site  as the institution's home page in the Web. --CiaPan (talk) 07:32, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * IMHO it's Too soon.
 * The Hojai College web home page doesn't reflect the name change, it does not even mention the change is coming...!
 * The ‘THE RABINDRANATH TAGORE UNIVERSITY ACT, 2017’ issued by the Assam Legislative Assembly states in article 1.(2) the College shall be transformed into a University “on such date or dates as the State Government may, by notification in the Official Gazette, appoint” (see the publication in ghconline.gov.in PDF file) but no source I couldn't find any source in English which indicates the transformation took place already or even it's going to start soon.
 * The Web site of the Directorate of Higher Education of the government of the State of Assam publishes NO document about the Rabindranath Tagore University in Hojai except an adv for the post of v-chancellor (see results of searching for 'Tagore').
 * Also a list of Universities and contacts to them does not mention the R.T.Univ. (see the MS Excel .XLSX file available at Govt of Assam page HERE).
 * Best regards, CiaPan (talk) 08:52, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

It is not just a change in Name but Complete Up-gradation OF INSTITUTION rising People Hope and Aspiration
I have provided with proper source reference if you read it you will understand why this article is important and need to be published HOJAI COLLEGE IS upgraded to university and it is being administered by the first vice chancellor of Rabindranath Tagore University and article is a must because it is going to be the most important university of Hojai and Karbi Anglong District making lifes better for the people and giving rise to a new Hope — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bengal18 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Nothing in Wikipedia "needs to be published" because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a directory for promoting anything, but if you feel that the article Hojai College needs updating, then please do this yourself and provide references (WP:Reliable sources), or discuss the changes needed on the talk page of the article. If the name of the college has been changed, then we need to WP:Move the article to the new name. We do need a good source that reports the name change.  Dbfirs  07:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Please also remember,, that if you do update the article Hojai College, you should not simply remove everything that is no longer current. This is an encyclopaedia, and includes historical information about its subjects. It may well be that the article should be moved to be an article about Rabindranath Tagore University, Hojai, but much of the current content should still be in the article, perhaps in a "history" section. If the University is very new, it is likely that there has not yet been much published about it; if so, only a small part of the article should be about the current university at the moment. What the article should absolutely not be is a vehicle for the university to promote itself. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about itself, only in what independent writers have published about it. --ColinFine (talk) 07:40, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That said, I have just deleted all the staff members' names from the Hojai College article as this was unnecessary (per WP:NOTDIRECTORY). Nick Moyes (talk) 08:22, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

This is not change in name a complete upgradation
Under the Parliamentary Billed Passed The Assam assembly has passed laws to set up new universities. One University is our Rabindranath Tagore University and I have already provided Authentic Reference Source Look it up and not ask for something which i have already Provided ,, https://www.ugc.ac.in/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bengal18 (talk • contribs) 07:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The first link is a prospectus for September 2019 (perhaps WP:TOOSOON?, and a primary source); the second doesn't work for me; the third link needs to be to a specific announcement.  Db<i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  16:35, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, we already saw the law to set up a new university. Alas we didn't see the announcement that the new university is actually established already. I understand it already exists as a legal entity - it has a vicechancellor, it has profiles for classes and teaching programs. However I can't see it has students or at least an address... Let's wait until reliable sources publish appropriate data and then republish it in Wikipedia. That's how this encyclopedia works. --CiaPan (talk) 17:50, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

OKay you people are Hopeless
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bengal18 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The Teahouse is run by volunteers who gladly assist editors when they have difficulties knowing how to make edits. We are not responsible for the content of the 5.8 million articles here. Rather than insult everyone, you are far better off directing your efforts at giving clarity to the articles you know about, and base your changes on published references that demonstrate the points you wish to make. If you are unable to do that, you should raise your concerns in a reasonable and logical manner on the appropriate Talk pages of each article. But you need to do that in a way that everyone else will understand, and please be polite and assume good faith. We are not mind readers. Please also remember to sign all future posts with four keyboard tilde characters (like this: ) Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:19, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Change living bio to death
✅ Hi,

I'd like some assistance in changing a living bio. I have a death notice, and would like to change the bio for a former employee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BridgeAnn (talk • contribs) 17:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Rather than a death notice, are you able to cite a newspaper's published obituary as a reliable source?  If so, you should put a request on the article's talk page with a link to the obituary to ask a disinterested editor to make the change for you (out of concerns you may have a conflict of interest) and should refrain from editing the article yourself. To get to the talk page, go to the article and click on the talk tab near the top of it.   Orville1974  (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The article has been updated. Thank you.  Orville1974  (talk) 18:12, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Submitting a new article draft
✅ I've written an article about an actress who also is a director, educator and theater administrator. I don't know how to submit it, nor do I know how to create footnotes, or what exactly needs to be footnoted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.24.99.241 (talk) 22:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This page should provide some guidance: Your first article. In general, though, it's much easier to locate reliable sources first, determine if your subject meets notability standards, then write the article by summarizing/paraphrasing the content in your own words, citing the sources you're using as you go.  If what you've written so far is from your own knowledge, it won't meet Wikipedia criteria for verifiability.  Orville1974  (talk) 22:52, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

McKelvy House Page
✅ @IDREAMOFHORSES

We submitted two versions of the same page, but the second submitted page is much more complete. Can we delete the first and submit the longer, more complete page, please? THANK YOU! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabassum Alam (talk • contribs) 22:19, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi I forwarded your request to I Dream of Horses.  You can reach them directly here: User talk:I dream of horses.  Orville1974  (talk) 22:45, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You can put db-self on the first, and resubmit the second.
 * for forwarding the message. -- I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 00:56, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Content of pages on music artists - it's getting rather silly, isn't it?
I recently came across a strange conundrum. Whilst viewing the entries for UK progressive rock recording artists "King Crimson", there appeared a dead link to a specific title within the discography section for EP releases. Upon inquiry, I was informed the decision had been taken that that particular title did not meet the required criteria for further details ie, a track list summary of contents - as per usual. Therefore, there remains no further details as to the actual contents of recordings of this release within Wikipedia, which does nothing to support the concept of providing a detailed "Discography".

However, within many entries for music artists' pages there are sections dedicated to listing the names of other artists whom have made claim to having been "influenced" etc, an entity so utterly unimportant or able to be proven for that matter. It is surely only mere mealy-mouthed tittle-tattle and unworthy of any such reportage. Why give such vacuous hot air any publishing space? There are also listings where a few seconds of any particular recording has been featured within a television series or film etc. Why? I would suggest that it would be perfectly valid to list which particular Soundtrack release any particular song maybe found within, but to make a point of listing where snippets of a song were featured on a television programme is patently trivial and ridiculous. It would appear that somewhere in the powers that be within Wikipedia there is ready acceptance to dumb-down to the level of current teenage attention spans or such, where Sex In The City, series two, episode seven is the place to find a particular recording. This is a wholly unnecessary intrusion to the point of facts otherwise contained on the pages. Yet fully comprehensive official releases by "serious" artists such as King Crimson are given short shrift, where the actually contents are determined to be kept secret. Beam me up, Spock! AMP59 (talk) 13:12, 10 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry,, I fear I misled you a bit. There are no "powers that be": all decisions are made by a consensus of editors - and if somebody makes a change which another person disagrees with, they can revert it - once: after that it should go to discussion. (See WP:BRD).
 * The article Level Five (EP) was changed to a redirect twice, by two different editors and, in 2016, with the edit comments "redirect, until it clearly meets WP:NALBUM or WP:GNG" and  "redir, unsourced and does not meet WP:NALBUM": Another editor, , had restored it in between.
 * If you think it does meet the conditions for notability, you are welcome to open a discussion with those two (I have just pinged them both, so if they are still active, they should see this comment). Normally I would say to do this at the talk page Talk:Level Five (EP), but people may not be watching that, so perhaps Talk:King Crimson might be a better place.
 * Incidentally, you can look at the history of the article, and earlier versions before it was redirected, by going to Level Five(EP) and then following the link at the top which says "Redirected from Level Five(EP)". Then pick "History" at the top.
 * As for the other things you mention: since there isn't an editorial board, there are lots of inconsistencies across Wikipedia. Some people choose to work on those, but there is a huge amount of material. Sometimes the inconsistency is because something is covered that is not notable, and then it should be deleted. Sometimes something is notable, but the relevant Wikipedia article doesn't have the citations required to demonstrate that; then somebody should find and add the references. And sometimes something notable isn't in, and should be, just as soon as somebody chooses to write the required article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, how do you feel it meets WP:NALBUM or WP:GNG and do you have any sources or information to confirm that? Perhaps best to work on it in draftspace then use WP:AFC when it's ready? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 20:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Given that Wikipedia supports entry space for the previous "Vrooom" EP, released in 1994, and the subsequent "Happy With What You Have..." EP, released in 2002, perhaps establishes a basic level of criteria. The "Level Five" EP, although nowhere near the WP:NALBUM criteria where point of facts exist with nomination for Grammy awards, selling levels to equal Gold status and topping the charts etc, should not be criteria for such a release. The EP was released on the Discipline Global Mobile label, the home of all official King Crimson releases, firstly in UK, Europe and US in 2001, with Japan in 2002. Subsequent represses were produced again in Japan in 2006, and Europe and US in 2008, which may indicate sales were healthy enough to actually warrant a repress and marketing distribution. The EP, consisting of six tracks with a playing time of forty-five minutes also included two track titles that had not been included on any other releases previously or subsequently included on the following parent album "The Power To Believe" released in March 2003. The EP has been given detailed description listing within the pages of Discogs, where all five separate releases have been detailed to cover the various disc pressing matrix codes and numberings. With regards to the required conditions for notability, perhaps the bar is set too high, as this release was never going to compete for attention from the Adele, Madonna or Bruce Springsteen types of music buyers. There are multitudes of other "serious" music artists whom sell very small quantities in comparison to the above named, yet their releases are indeed given proper coverage by Wikipedia, and I would suggest that artists such as Mark Hollis (and Talk Talk), Matt Johnson (and The The), Massive Attack and Steven Wilson all fall into that category. I would also suggest that previous decisions to delete this entry have been made without sufficient knowledge of the subject matter. It is absolutely no accident that King Crimson are scheduled to appear three-nights running at Royal Albert Hall, next week on 18th, 19th and 20th June. AMP59 (talk) 19:47, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * As was explained in response to your previous query about this topic on 9 June – the qualification of "notability" to determine whether an article can be accepted about a subject (in this case, the Level Five EP) has nothing to do with said subject's quality or importance. It is solely based on whether enough material (at least several paragraphs) about the subject has been published in two (or more) different reliable sources independently of the subject itself, upon which material the article must be based and to which it must be cited. Sources not independent of the subject, or shorter mentions, can often be used to support specific facts, but cannot support notability.
 * If at least two such substantial, independent discussions of the EP can be identified in reputable music periodicals, books, or similar sources published in the last 18 years, and cited, then the EP will be provably notable according to Wikipedia's editorial principles and no-one will have grounds to argue otherwise. Instead of trying to sidestep Wikipedia's basic policies, or using the unviable argument that Other Stuff Exists, find suitable citable material.
 * Finally, Wikipedia has no deadline, and Wikipedia does not permit promotion,, so mentioning upcoming concert dates will harm, not help, your cause. As this is a content dispute, please continue this discussion on the Talk page of the relevant article(s), which are intended for such discussions, not on this page which is intended for helping newcomers with the mechanics of editing Wikipedia. Continuing to pursue the matter here will be a waste of your time as well as that of us unpaid volunteers. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.177.55 (talk) 01:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

History edits
Why are people who doesn't even know about my community and history in real life are trying changing it and when I correct them or include the names of kings etc they just remove it. why do they even do it when they doesn't really know about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajput5131 (talk • contribs) 08:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Because on WP, knowing about it is not enough. You have to be able to cite it to reliable sources. More at Help:Referencing for beginners and BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

TB Buti
hi, I am trying to write my first article ever. I am doing something wrong. :) I have all the info needed for the article and I have the links where I have tried to compile info from. Could you help me out?

thnx :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mc olteanu (talk • contribs) 11:43, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Have you read WP:YFA which describes the process? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * If this is about Draft:TB Buti then it still reads like a catalogue and advert for the company. Has the subject been written about in independent WP:Reliable sources?  If it has, then your article should summarise these sources in your own words.  The company's own publicity is not really of interest to Wikipedia.  You might also like to read WP:Referencing for beginners and add some in-line references.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  06:30, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I deleted the blatantly promotional descriptions of watches. You can contest the Speedy Deletion, but then will have to attempt to fix what is left of the article. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, be careful what you wish for. Any article about TB Buti watches could be subjected to content being added about T Buti, the founder, and his role in the earlier failure of Fashion Cafe, his restaurant chain venture. David notMD (talk) 11:47, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Inserting a body of text
Hello! Is there any particular way that I can insert this body of text into here? I know it can be done with episode tables like these but can it be done with bodies of text such as character lists? It just saves editing 2 different articles when people want to make a change. – DarkGlow (talk) 10:22, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi The instructions for transcluding part of an article into another are located here:  WP:PARTRANS.  Please let us know if you need further help with it.  Orville1974  (talk) 12:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * - welcome to the Teahouse. I have implemented the edit you requested, which will hopefully remove the necessity for double editing, as you alluded to. Stormy clouds (talk) 15:03, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Advanced technical questions
Hello everyone! I'm not really a new user (I'm an admin in a couple of Albanian Wikimedia projects) but I didn't know where else to ask. I have two technical questions not really related with each other.

First question: Recently we activated page importation between the Albanian Wikiquote and the Albanian Wikipedia with the help of Phabricator. The process works fine for single pages. However when we try to export multiple pages at once, a XML dump file is created. I don't know what to do with it. I've read every help page there is to read on Meta and MediaWiki about the subject but still I'm not sure what I must do. If I do understand correctly, I need special permissions/privileges to import XML dump files. Is that correct? Is there any way I can get the permission/privilege I need for that? Is there any other way to import multiple pages at once other than the method I mentioned? When we work with templates and categories, there are cases when hundreds of pages would need to be replicated at once and the multiple page transport would save us tons of time. That was the reason we even asked permission from the Phabricator to begin with.

Second question: What permissions/privileges are needed in order to install extensions? We would like to be able to have the WikiLove extension (and maybe more in the future that are missing now). How can we get those? I again read all there is to read about the subject at the MediaWiki and EnWiki but still wasn't very clear.

I'm an admin and interface admin at both the Albanian projects I mentioned above but haven't really got the chance to be in other technical user groups and I'm trying to learn. Also, right now I'm one of the few who looks after the technical side on our communities since we're not really that big and understanding better the subjects above would really help the Albanian community in general.

I understand the questions I've asked do not really belong here but, as I said before, I don't know where else to ask question "freely" (I know I can discuss things like these on the Phabricator but I don't really have the technical depth needed to discuss them there).

Thanks in advance if someone helps! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 05:31, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. In response to your first question: the ability to import from another wiki requires the  right, while the ability to upload XML files requires the   right. Looking at sq:Special:UserGroupRights and wikiquote:sq:Special:UserGroupRights, there is already a user group that has the importupload right on each site, though there are currently no users in these groups. If you would like to get these rights, I suggest opening a discussion on your wiki. If there is consensus in favor of granting these rights, they can be given by a steward (or maybe a local 'crat, but probably not). As for the second question, extensions are added in the mediawiki configuration that is done on phabricator. Anyone can ask that an extension be installed, but the process for having it done requires highly advanced rights to edit the mediawiki configuration. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 05:36, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I am glad that you were able to get useful information, and thanks to for assisting. In the future, though, Village pump (technical) is a better place for advanced technical questions, if only because technical experts watch that page closely. The shortcut is WP:VPT. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  05:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you a lot for being that quick in answering me! I'm not sure you're right or if I do understand you fully about it though. I know the import rights are given to all admins and I do have them. As I said, I am able to import pages one at a time. I also am able to prepare XML files by using the export command, another right given to every admin. Are you talking about something else when you mention import and export rights?
 * Regarding the extension's question... That means I must open individual tickets for every extension we want to get in our community? Is there any example you can give to me of that so I know what categories to use and similar stuff? It would be preferable for the example to be regarding the WikiLove extension, as that is the one we want to add. - Klein Muçi (talk) 05:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * See, eg, T192212 --DannyS712 (talk) 05:56, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you a lot! :) Can you clarify me about the transport thing too? You've helped me a lot even now though. :)
 * I didn't feel comfortable in asking at the Village Pump since it is a place mostly reserved for the local technical problems and mine was a question (not a problem) about an other community. But if you think it is a better place, I'll keep that in mind in the next time. Thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 06:03, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * See below


 * Export (mw:Help:Export) -> download a copy for yourself. Anyone can do this.
 * Transwiki import (m:Help:Import) -> copy a page from another site. Admins can do this (usually), and sometimes other editors can to. This requires  and works 1 at a time (I think)
 * Upload import (m:Help:Import) -> upload a page from your own computer. Very very few people can do this - only 2 on enwiki. This requires . The reason it is so rare is because it means that you can decide what the history of the page is by editing the XML file.
 * If you want to know more, I would ask or, the 2 importers on enwiki. If you have more questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page (User talk:DannyS712) but I agree with Cullen that the teahouse may not be the best place. Hope this helps --DannyS712 (talk) 06:09, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes,. I'm a bit more informed now. I think those are the rights that I need to make it work what I'm trying to do. I should ask a steward for it. I'll try to ask the users you mentioned on my talkpage if they don't choose to give more insight here soon. Thank you a lot for your help! I don't know what policy you have regarding solved questions here, if you delete or archive them, but I'd kindly ask to leave it here for a while just in case any of the importers answers. Thank you again for your help though as I've spent literally weeks reading about the above problems without a clear answer. - Klein Muçi (talk) 06:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . This conversation will remain visible at the Teahouse as long as it is active, and will be archived routinely when discussion ends. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  07:12, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed, this is all correct. The stewards will ask that you have a semiformal discussion about granting transwiki import rights on a discussion where the community is well-notified; here's mine and Xaosflux's. Graham 87 08:06, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * they are an admin, and so they already have transwiki import - if I understand correctly they are asking about import upload. Also, Xaosflux's is at Wikipedia talk:Requests for page importation/Archive 1 --DannyS712 (talk) 09:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, I need sleep. Yep, that's right. Graham 87 09:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

, thank you! Might you be so kind as in telling me what special tools you get after getting that permission? How are you exactly able to use the XML data file? - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * See m:Help:Import for details. It'd be easier to help you if/when you actually get the right. Graham 87 15:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I was just wondering if another new command pops up at the special pages about it or a new option at the "import pages" page. That kind of info. - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * admins can use Transwiki import at sqwiki (goto w:sq:Speciale:Importo), and this should be the primary tool you use to transwiki pages as it is very structured. If the "source" WMF wiki you want to transwiki from is missing from the source list, it can be requested via phabricator.  As much as possible, you should try to avoid working with XML uploads unless you are really sure you know what you are doing, and the project has a high degree of trust in you - as it can cause some messy situations.  If you have "importers" access when you go to Special:Import you get a few extra boxes, where you can upload the raw XML file and manually declare the source. —  xaosflux  Talk 18:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * thank you! That was the information I wanted to know. I'm not an importer. I just wanted to learn more on the subject because I tend to look after the tech matters at our community and I couldn't learn this information anywhere else. For now, I think importing one page at a time is enough for us. I wasn't sure if the import function approved from the Phabricator was bugged or not, since the developer there needed an admin to test it. Apparently it is good. In case sometime in the future this function is needed at us, I'd be more prepared to apply for it or teach others about it.


 * Thank you all, guys! You've been of great help! WikiLove for all of you. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 20:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Actress page redirected to movie page
How do you get the original page/ content back?

The specific instance I am referring to is Whitney Moore's page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Moore) being redirected to the Birdemic movie page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birdemic:_Shock_and_Terror)

Hard to believe this isn't malicious given her recently sharing her experience with Max Landis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.6.12 (talk) 20:51, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Not malicious, but the result of a request for deletion. See Articles_for_deletion/Whitney_Moore RudolfRed (talk) 21:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * And you can see the previous content at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whitney_Moore&oldid=610178532 . It cites no independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The redirect to the Birdemic movie page happened 5 years ago, so it's definitely not related to any recent experience she shared.  Orville1974  (talk) 21:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

== What to do when someone(s) keep undoing corrections to a list -- in this case, of NCAA Division 1 schools winning sanctioned NCAA D1 titles -- when the authority is an indisputable NCAA-published list itself? ==



Hi, I'm a former University athlete and sports junkie (even at the age of 68). Some "homers" of some colleges keep adding NCAA titles back to some Wikipedia lists of such (many of which are championships the NCAA vacated....due to violations (recruiting transgressions; payments to athletes during enrollment; etc). Can I ask them, WITHIN THE TEXT, to stop it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirtrider5 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't engage in an edit war. Discuss it on the article's talk page.  Then follow the steps at WP:DR if you can't get consensus.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:40, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello Dirtrider5. Can you provide an example of the bad behavior you mention? EdJohnston (talk) 20:49, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * For @EdJohnson (as you can deduce I am brand new to All Of This!): mostly Trojan and Bruin fanatics (fudging a vacated title back into the totals, or adding football championships to it (those are entries for 2-3 differently-titled articles altogether)). Recently U of Michigan and U of Oklahoma fans have been 'padding' their schools' cumulative totals, also! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirtrider5 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to this section from duplicate section to keep in one place, and correcting attempted ping  Orville1974  (talk) 21:48, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

New wikijaguar/talkpage logo
Hi. I thought of a new logo for the above. Here is the link to it (private youtube video was the easiest way to get this on the internet without others seeing): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHMjAkDnmKU. I created it with https://www.mrplates.com.au/designer?region=AU&text=TPstalker&bg=orange-burnt&ch=black&frame=1&width=1, http://www.car-brand-names.com/jaguar-logo/, https://pngtree.com/free-png-vectors/car-front-view and https://www.onlinelogomaker.com/logomaker/. Thanks.211.26.200.179 (talk) 12:55, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. Have you a question about editing English Wikipedia? That is the only subject which is on topic for this page. --ColinFine (talk) 14:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * @ColinFine, I believe that 211.26.200.179 is asking whether the images linked above are suitable for use on Wikipedia. If so, the answer is "no", as they're a clear copyright violation; you can only use Jaguar Cars's logo to illustrate our article on Jaguar Cars. &#8209; Iridescent 14:36, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I think there's a better logo for the wikijaguar/talk page stalking thing.211.26.200.179 (talk) 21:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * IP, this conversation would be more appropriate to have at Wikipedia talk:Talk page stalker. That having been said, Iridescent is correct and this specific suggestion would be unlikely to be adopted in its current form due to copyright issues. signed,Rosguill talk 21:54, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I (calmly) repeat: this is not for an article. It's more like a logo for userboxes.211.26.200.179 (talk) 22:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * And I (calmly) repeat that it's a blatant copyright violation, and if you try to upload it it will be immediately deleted. &#8209; Iridescent 22:04, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * copyright unfortunately covers everything on the site, not just the articles. signed,Rosguill talk 22:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 1st of all can this entire discussion be moved into a new thread at that article talk page (if not I'll just start one with a post reflecting the situation at that time)? 2nd of all yes I forgot about where copyright on Wikipedia applies, and I'm sorry for violating it. I think I know how it came about. I thought the jaguar (car make) logo had just the jaguar image, not the words (I don't know how I came to the conclusion but I thought the message could be conveyed without them regardless). When I wanted to remove excess background from the original image I removed the words. Can I therefore remake this logo? Finally, I have trouble using the upload file wizard, so there's no way I will upload it even if there was no copyright violation. Thanks for your understanding.211.26.200.179 (talk) 10:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You can copy this discussion over to another page (in which case you should explain where it was originally posted in the edit summary). That having been said I don't think that's necessary, although you may want to just mention that you brought this up at the Teahouse first.
 * As for the other questions you have about copyright, I'm honestly not sure, but my hunch is that anything which obviously resembles the Jaguar logo is probably not allowed. signed,Rosguill talk 21:52, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_stalker#New_wikijaguar/talkpage_logo.211.26.200.179 (talk) 09:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * As for the other questions you have about copyright, I'm honestly not sure, but my hunch is that anything which obviously resembles the Jaguar logo is probably not allowed. signed,Rosguill talk 21:52, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_stalker#New_wikijaguar/talkpage_logo.211.26.200.179 (talk) 09:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Organization of article
Dear Community,

I have published my first draft and I am waiting for final approval. Could you please comment on:

a) The overall organization of the article b) Referencing style c) Presentation of figures

Thanking you all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Äre1666 (talk • contribs) 13:44, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Teahouse. I would like to share you some things on your article's layout. Please use  in section heading rather than bolding it. Please divide it (sections) further more for a better reading. Please use citing templates for adding references instead of adding hyperlinks in   tag. (Please read this Body of article, citing sources). Thank you.-- PA TH   SL OP U  14:03, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Help
Please someone here should help me save an article that has been nominated for delection.. please "DJ Kelblizz" article should not be deleted. thank you so much everyone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wizkizayo (talk • contribs) 23:49, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I recommend you add third-party, independent sources WP:V and WP:RS that demonstrate the subject's notability WP:GNG. Without them, your article does not meet Wikipedia standards.  Orville1974  (talk) 00:12, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Help to save the article "DJ Kelblizz"
Please I want make an appeal to regain the article that has been marked for delation.it should be visible to the  again.help me to move the article to the article page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wizkizayo (talk • contribs) 00:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We can't make this person meet the notability criteria for you, as no amount of editing can do that; please read the comments in the deletion discussion. Please read Your First Article to learn what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 00:36, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't quite understand what you're asking for, but Help, my article got nominated for deletion! has advice for this situation. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:38, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The article DJ Kelblizz still exists while it is being considered for deletion. David notMD (talk) 03:14, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The advice you received here last week hasn't changed. I think your efforts would be better spent on another topic. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:01, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Sandox draft
Hello! All! I just wanted to know the following: I made a draft in my sandbox but I'm pretty confident it will be approved. My question is, can I by myself run the risk and move the draft into an article and at most it will be deleted? Thank you. --LLcentury (talk) 14:35, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


 * There's nothing technically stopping you from doing it. But if you've already submitted it for review, why would you want to subvert the process? There's no deadline; why rush to get it in the mainspace and risk it being tagged, when the reviewers could identify issues before they are a problem? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

You're totally right, I was wondering the same, no rush, OK. Sometimes my desperation to contribute makes me fail lol. --LLcentury (talk) 15:52, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The one article you created in the past George Beauchamp (sailor) is on shaky ground. You might be better off submitting to Articles for Creation than posting your sandbox draft as an article, with risk of going to less friendly Articles for Deletion. David notMD (talk) 15:57, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, totally, about Beauchamp, it was entirely good faith, believe me. --LLcentury (talk) 16:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

How to avoid sounding like an advertisement
✅ I have been working on Draft:International Academy of Science and recently got the feedback from DGG that it reads like an advertisement. I am trying to fix this but having trouble figuring out exactly what it needs. Can any one suggest some specific edits? -- Tigereye7 (talk) 18:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You seem to have a variety of sources, but the article does come across as a bit promotional with WP:PEACOCK wording. I recommend that you first remove many of the unnecessary adjectives, then work with other editors, as you've started to do on the article's talk page, to correct any of the other concerns the reviewer highlighted before resubmitting it for review.  Orville1974  (talk) 18:26, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I've made some edits and left some notes directly in the article. Please take a minute to review them, then we can continue this discussion on the article's talk page.  Orville1974  (talk) 18:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. I have commented back on the talk page. Draft_talk:International_Academy_of_Science -- Tigereye7 (talk) 19:18, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

How to cite a Lexicon
✅ Should I use the "cite encyclopedia" if citing a Lexicon? Thanks.... --Blue.painting (talk) 18:31, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Yes.  That template would be appropriate.  Orville1974  (talk) 19:29, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi ok great thanks for the info. Have a good one. --Blue.painting (talk) 19:33, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

just draft, not article
Hi all, I tried to create a page, but always i get a draft page. How can I do to create a real page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Animasalva (talk • contribs) 20:04, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New users cannot directly create articles immediately. You may submit your draft using Articles for Creation, but you should review Your First Article and the notability criteria for musicians. 331dot (talk) 20:09, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

How to improve article Albert Einstein World Award of Science?
Hi,

I was checking the assessment of the Albert Einstein World Award of Science article, and it is considered as a 'Start Class' as far of Content assessment. What ideas can you advise me to follow in order to make this a better article? I'll need similar ideas for articles World Cultural Council, Leonardo da Vinci World Award of Arts, and Jose Vasconcelos World Award of Education.

Thanks in advance,

Healing Mandala (talk) 21:07, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi  These appear to be list style articles.  The Manual of Style talks about that type of article here MOS:LIST.  You can also follow the guidance here: Featured list criteria if you would like to improve the way the lists are presented.  Orville1974  (talk) 21:39, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

27 Club
Page says editing is turned off to prevent vandalism. Bunker Spreckels should be added to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.113.13.13 (talk) 20:35, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may make an edit request on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 20:42, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The 27 Club article says the club is only for musicians, artists and actors. Bunker Spreckels was a surfer. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:22, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Request help with a simple edit to page: Mackenzie County. This is a county in Alberta, Canada
Hello,

I'm requesting help with a simple edit to the page: Mackenzie County, which is a county in Alberta Canada. The population needs to be updated to 12,512 SOURCE (see bottom of page 6): http://municipalaffairs.gov.ab.ca/documents/2018_MAPL_web.pdf

Also, Josh Knelsen is the Reeve, not Peter F. Braun SOURCE: https://www.mackenziecounty.com/municipal-government/council/councillors

Thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:1180:1370:C0C7:29E8:8732:8BE6 (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi ✅ - see Mackenzie County.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 23:47, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion: Ability to soft-block users.
If an user has good faith, but makes low-quality edits due to being a Wikipedia beginner, they could be soft-blocked, meaning that they can still submit edits, but all of their edits will be stored as pending changes instead of being published immediately. This concept already exists on the German Wikipedia (as WP:Sighting). ––Chanc20190325 (talk) 01:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Chanc20190325, the Teahouse is for questions from newbies about how to edit Wikipedia. Suggestions to change policies, or implement new polices, should start at WP:VP:P. -- Softlavender (talk) 01:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. Moved. --Chanc20190325 (talk) 01:27, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

New Article in Sandbox
Hello, I have created an article for practice in Sandbox. Now I want to create another article in Sandbox, but I don't know how to remove first article from Sandbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aadilghb (talk • contribs) 04:26, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse.  Now that you have copied the contents of your sandbox to a draft article, you may just delete the contents of User:Aadilghb/sandbox (select the full contents and press delete) and start again on a new article.  If you prefer to keep this sandbox until the article gets published, you can create a second sandbox at User:Aadilghb/sandbox2 (just click on that link and start typing).   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  06:28, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Article Creation
How do i create my own wikipedia page article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prisca Joks (talk • contribs) 11:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If by "my own wikipedia page article"  you mean a Wikipedia article about yourself, this is highly discouraged per WP:AUTO, our policy on autobiographical articles. This is partially because people naturally write favorably about themselves, and Wikipedia tries to have a neutral point of view.
 * If you just mean you want to write a Wikipedia article in general, please understand that doing so successfully is probably the most difficult task on Wikipedia. It takes much time, effort, and practice.  New users are much more successful when they spend a lot of time first editing existing articles, to get a feel for what is being looked for and how Wikipedia works.  It is also a good idea to use the new user tutorial to learn about using Wikipedia.  If you still want to attempt to write an article immediately, you should read Your First Article and use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review and feedback. 331dot (talk) 11:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean a page about yourself, then please don't create one, but use social media instead. See WP:Autobiography. If you mean an article about a topic that is WP:Notable, then you should first collect at least three independent WP:Reliable sources, and summarise in your own words what they say about the topic. There is some guidance at WP:Your first article and WP:Article creation.  <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  11:16, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Getting my article back to edit rather than simply having it deleted
LordCricket (talk) 17:49, 15 June 2019 (UTC)An editor kindly deleted an entire article rather than the part that I should have rewritten rather than borrow from the website heavily. How do I get it all back in order to complete it in an agreeable manner ? LordCricket (talk) 17:49, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi The article was comprised almost entirely of copyrighted material, which for legal reasons cannot remain on Wikipedia's site. See WP:COPYVIO. As you begin to rewrite the article, make sure you paraphrase and summarize in your own words, citing your sources with inline citations as you go.  Orville1974  (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

LordCricket (talk) 18:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC) Thanks. Where do I get a copy of the draft so that I don't have to start from scratch?LordCricket (talk) 18:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi again. The current draft, cleared of the copied material is here: Draft:Isaac Newton University Lodge and ready for further editing.  The remaining material has been redacted/deleted from the servers and can't be retrieved since doing so would reintroduce the copyright violation.   Orville1974  (talk) 18:18, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

LordCricket (talk) 18:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC) NVM, TVM LordCricket (talk) 18:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I notice that at least some of the material that was removed from the draft for copyright reasons was from the Lodge's own material. This is completely the wrong way to go about writing a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says about themselves, and no interest at all in how they wish to be portrayed. The bulk of an article should be based on published material that does not come, directly or indirectly, from the subject or from their associates, but is what people unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about it. If there happens to be little such independent material published, then it is impossible to write an acceptable article about the subject (the Wikipedia jargon for this is that the subject is not notable). --ColinFine (talk) 19:48, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Question about first article -- notability
I am preparing to write my first article outright on Wikipedia, but have a question about notability. The article is about a business person who is a top investor and top executive of a company, well-known in a specific industry. There are various independent sources referencing him in other online and print publications -- is this enough to make such an informational bio "notable" and able to be published on Wikipedia? Many thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tracewriter (talk • contribs) 19:30, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Tracewriter, and welcome. It certainly sounds possible. It hard to saymore though without specifics. Would you be willing to list the best sources you have for your article here? Then we could look at them and see whether they actually establish notiability. Lady  of  Shalott  19:37, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * One of the things we frequently ask about when reviewing notability is the best WP:THREE or four sources on the subject you have. If you could provide these here we could make a rough determination on whether this businessperson would satisfy our notability requirements. As a note, we tend to be skeptical about businesspeople since many businesspeople articles may violate our WP:PROMO rule. SportingFlyer  T · C  16:45, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Tracewriter. You also have to be sure that the third-party sources you mentioned do not merely contain trivial or passing reference to your subject.Darwin Naz (talk) 23:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I believe this process is highly arbitrary, and there is nothing to do but post it to see whether someone higher up is having a bad day. I posted a short article about Alexander Volokh, the law professor at Emory Law School, who is a contributor to the legal blog, The Volokh Conspiracy, and a former law clerk for Sandra Day O'Connor and Samuel Alito. I reasoned that people would want to know what had happened to the Alito/O'Connor law clerk and many top academics have pages. Welp, Quick Deletion! I had planned to go through all of the law clerks for current Justices and find which ones had become famous, yet didn't have pages. Now it doesn't seem worth it. CarlCanton (talk) 17:45, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Biographies on Wikipedia summarize what significant coverage in independent, reliable sources say about the person. Your deleted article only had three references, two of which were to other Wikipedia articles. We never use Wikipedia articles as references for another Wikipedia article. Please read WP:CIRCULAR for the reasons why. Your third reference is to Volokh's Emory University staff page. This is not an independent source, and significant coverage in independent sources are required to show notability. Familiarize yourself also with the notability guideline for academics. I suggest that you read Your first article and limit yourself to writing about topics that are truly notable, as that term is defined in Wikipedia. In conclusion, the process is not "highly arbitrary" and deletion of the article you wrote was correct and in accordance with our policies and guidelines. Nobody was having a bad day. They were doing their job. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  22:54, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

This is Us Award Section
✅ Hi. I noticed that in This is Us's awards mentions, it's not written that they won a GLAAD Award in 2018. Is there any way to fix that? Can you guys remedy that situation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Us_(TV_series) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleexry (talk • contribs) 23:05, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Done.  Thank you for pointing it out.  Orville1974  (talk) 23:58, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:CSD
✅
 * Hello fellow Wikipedians, I need a help, if an article is already available of the Wikipedia. And now if an same article created with some other title. What tag should be added for speedy deletion. AR.Dmg (talk) 01:50, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your excellent question. You didn't give links to either article, so it's hard to be specific. The simple answer might be CSD A10 (i.e. "Recently created article that duplicates an existing topic"). But maybe it isn't a recently created one? Before rushing to delete, I would first ask myself whether the new article's title might serve as a useful redirect to the main article. If so, I would simply blank the new page's content and create that redirect. (See WP:REDIRECT for help on that - it's quite simple to do). Alternatively, having looked at the content, I'd ask myself if there was content in the new page that could be merged into the older one before any deletion or redirect were done. If neither a CSD A10, nor a MERGE, nor a REDIRECT seemed appropriate, I'd then consider adding a WP:PROD template - which is a sort of 'notice of an uncontroversial deletion proposal'. This gives 7 days notice, in which time the template you add can be removed by anyone. If that happens, and you still feel the article should go, then a Deletion Discussion should be put forward. I'm ever so sorry for so many links to other guidelines, but each of the later alternatives would take a bit too long to explain in full here. But ask further if you need more answers. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:10, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, In addition to Moyes' comment, if the content is copied and pasted from the original article and there are no changes since the copied-from revision in either the original page or the pasted-to page, then CSD G6 is appropriate by tagging db-copypaste, and if there are new revisions then tag WP:History merge. If the new article is in draft space then the AfC reviewer could decline the acceptance of the draft. Thanks.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 02:23, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Postscript: I see you found one possible answer already, and have added the CSD:A10 template to Dennis Nana Dwamena. Actually, I think a REDIRECT would be far better and quite useful here to KiDi (musician), rather in the same way that a redirect from Reg Dwight takes users to Elton John. I will make that change for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:18, 16 June 2019 (UTC)