Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 971

LGBT month
Hi! I read about the LGBT month on Wikipedia. I'm gay and would like to know what can I do to participate because my English is not very good. I created "Diversidad sexual en India" on en Spanish Wikipedia "Sexual diversity in India", a GA article on the Spanish Wikipedia. Does that help? Thanks! --LLcentury (talk) 19:42, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, . How are you at photography? I saw yesterday that Wiki Loves Pride is running a photo competition. That might be a good opportunity if you don't think your English is not up to writing article content. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:05, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If you're interested in contributing to a wikiproject, there's WikiProject LGBT studies as well. Clovermoss (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Zodiac Killer
I recently finished a book that contains credible information regarding the possible identification of the Zodiac killer. Yet this person is not mentioned anywhere in the Wikipedia article on the Zodiac Killer. I have never attempted to edit an article and I find the prospect to be intimidating. But I would like to see what seems to be a glaring inaccuracy corrected. Any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:A:15:0:0:0:3C (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It would be helpful if you tell us the name (and author) of the book, so we can help you determine whether it's a reliable source or not. Eman  235 / talk  20:14, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Place an edit request on the talk page, and there's a pretty good chance you'll get it added! Just make sure to phrase your proposed addition in the possible and not the definite- if it's only one book, it's not definite, but if it's credible it has a place in the article. Just make sure to source it: for instance, under the "suspects" section, a proposal could be suggesting the addition of something like:

Bob McBobface
In the 1984 book The Zodiac Killer: Who Was He? by Nancy Smith, it was proposed the Bob McBobface had been the Zodiac Killer. She laid out several arguments, including that X, Y, and Z. These arguments have been supported in several other books, including The Life and Times of the Zodiac Killer by Paul James.


 * Just make sure to substitute all that placeholder info with the actual stuff (ignore the isbn errors in mine), and maybe expand a bit on that- and remove the last bit if it's not applicable. Best of luck! -A la d insane  (Channel 2)  20:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Please review this draft.
Hi teahouse, if you could review this draft I have been working on Draft:Continental Express, Inc. that would be fantastic! I have tried to source as much information as possible, and I did my best at writing in a non promotional tone. I am open for suggestions! thanks Scotty B 11 (talk) 19:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. The procedure to submit a draft for review is very simple and can be done by placing  at the top of the article. But there are few things I like to point out here. Your article's subject don't seem to meet the general notability guideline and other notability guidelines for companies. Also it seems that you used an Wikipedia article as a reference and as per WP:RS/PS, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Lastly, your draft is written in a promotional tone. Fix these issues and you draft will be ready for review. Thanks. Masum Reza 📞  20:49, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Just a small suggestion, you might consider using more pronouns. "Continental Express" is repeated a lot throughout the article, and while I'm sure it's not your intention, it reads a bit like you're trying to drill it into our heads (like those radio commercials that repeat the company name five thousand times in a minute). As well, "fast forward" and "also" typically aren't used in such quantities. Best of luck! -A la d insane  (Channel 2)  22:37, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah now that you say it, i do notice that lol!thanks for the advice, I will get on to making the necessary changes as soon as possible! Please continue to let me know any suggestions :) -Amy - Scotty B 11 (talk) 20:08, 20 June 2019 (UTC) I have made all the necessary! Please let me know if there are any other changes that need to be made! Thanks :) - Amy - Scotty B 11 (talk) 21:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Is it okay for me to do illustrations of extinct creatures that we have no visual records of for pages with no pictures?
I'm just a schoolkid, so I've got no qualifications in art or paleontology or anything at all really. But a lot of the pages for more obscure extinct creatures have no images. So I was wondering, if I found pictures/descriptions of their bones, research describing them and how they probably looked like, etc., and then I made an illustration as accurately as I could based on how I think it might look, is that allowed? Because I could be totally wrong, and seeing as I have no qualifications in anything related to it could be inaccurate or give the wrong impression. Thank you. Watermelon-lemon (talk) 12:18, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey Watermelon-lemon. Whether you have individual qualifications is actually not terribly important for the purposes of Wikipedia, since Wikipedia doesn't publish original research, and this includes original research from experts, who should instead publish the material in secondary sources, so that we can cite those sources here.
 * It's really those sources that you intend to use that are going to make or break the usefulness of such pictures for the purposes of Wikipedia. If the sources are quite detailed, and you follow them quite closely, and can document this sufficiently, then they may very likely be both usable and useful. If this is not the case, and you have to take a great deal of liberty in creating the illustrations, then they would likely run into the same issues with our prohibition against original research.  G M G  talk  12:22, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

" Watermelon-lemon (talk) 12:27, 20 June 2019 (UTC)",But I mean you can't exactly cite a drawing you have made yourself, you know? I'm just worried, if I do drawings for these articles, will that be inappropriate because they could be anatomically accurate and give people the wrong impression? It'd just be my impression, which is not exactly a terribly well-informed or qualified impression, you know? Thanks for the quick reply. Watermelon-lemon (talk) 12:27, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Answer the same - drawings you make (or anyone makes) are original research - not allowed. Even for experts. David notMD (talk)
 * Hey Watermelon-lemon. I'm afraid I have to disagree with David somewhat. But because the usefulness of individual illustrations will depend on the individual sources used, it's probably not possible to give any blanket hypothetical answer about them.
 * The closest thing I can think of to images that we regularly use on Wikipedia would be historical maps that are created by individual editors. These might be more or less based on similar published illustrations and/or may be based on text descriptions. Compare this map of the Aztec Empire, where the source for the information, Atlas del México prehispánico, special edition of Arqueología Mexicana, is cited in the file description. That way anybody can check the accuracy of the depiction according to the source. Some maps created in this way would be clearly useful, and are widely used, while some maps are the subject of protracted disputes, and wind up being un-usable, because of the poor quality of the sources, or the failure of the illustrator to closely follow them.
 * What you may want to consider doing is finding a good test case, making an illustration with your sources, and then posting it at the No Original Research Noticeboard to get broader input on whether the sources are detailed enough, and whether the illustrations sticks closely enough to them to be useful.  G M G  talk  13:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Watermelon-lemon. Your question is similar to the one asked at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 814 and maybe the answers given then will also help you. — Marchjuly (talk) 20:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Thanks for the patience and the advice, I appreciate it. Watermelon-lemon (talk) 21:49, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

A translated article is now threatened with deletion
I've just translated an article that I found interesting. It's from it/wiki and about Wireless Telegraphy in the Italo-Turkish War. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_telegraphy_in_the_Italo-Turkish_War)

But it's now threatened with deletion because there are insufficient citations. But I have included the one citation that was present in the original Italian article - there are no more.

This has happened to me on a few occasions and it's discouraging. We are invited to do translations - in my case I can do French/German/Italian into English. If there are citations, I will include them. But if there are no citations in the original article, am I expected to hunt around for them? Is this not a case of 'half a loaf is better than no bread'?

Mikeo1938 (talk) 13:40, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The tag is not a deletion threat, simply a notification of needed improvements. It could be nominated for deletion later, but it is not necessarily an immediate problem. Different language version of Wikipedia are each separate projects, and have different rules and policies, including about what an acceptable number of sources is. This is why the article was marked as needing sources, this version generally requires more sources. It isn't necessarily your job per se to find them, but it is a good idea to. 331dot (talk) 13:47, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:Translation includes the reminder that "In all cases, articles must meet the relevant notability criteria and other guidelines applicable to articles on the English-language Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia has its own standards, and the acceptance of an article's topic or of any part of its content in one language is no guarantee that it will be accepted in another." --David Biddulph (talk) 14:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Thank you for your translation work. My recommendation is that you select articles to translate from French, German or Italian that have at least three solid sources, and if at least one or two of them include links to online sources, that is even better. That will greatly reduce the chance that your work will be nominated for deletion. In this case, the only source is a primary source from 1911 written by someone directly involved. That is a very weak source. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  17:51, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for your contributions. It's good information, but unfortunately as others have noted, weakly sourced.  It won't get deleted, since it's not the type of info that other editors want to delete, but now that it's there, you can hope that others will find additional info to add, with more sourcing. You might think of posting a note on the Italo-Turkish War or even more broadly Military history of Italy talk pages alerting others who might have more insight into related sources. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  18:33, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

OK everyone and thanks for the comments. I note what has been said and will look around ... perhaps someone else will add more citations.Mikeo1938 (talk) 19:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Further to the above, I've included at the start of the main article about the Italo-Turkish war a sentence regarding the use of WT. This appears after the reference to the use of aircraft. I feel there should be a link in my sentence that will lead people to my new, translated article. However, I'm unclear how to insert this. It would be a bit heavy to insert the exact title of the translated article. Can someone pse help this so that I'll know what to do in future? Mikeo1938 (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, . You can do that by a WP:piped link:  displays as wireless telegraphy. You probably want to add it to the "See also" section as well (without the pipe). --ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but MOS:SEEALSO generally recommends not to. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:20, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

creaing a second page
Hi, I registered my account few months ago and create a page. I'm looking to create another page with new title but cant see any option. Could you please guide me how to do this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asargana96 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . You can draft a new article in your existing sandbox, or you can create a new sandbox subpage for that, or you can create a page in draft space. You can create as many work pages as you want, as long as you are using them to improve the encylopedia. Once you have completed a policy compliant draft, you can either move it directly into the encylopedia, or use the Articles for Creation process for review by uninvolved editors. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:52, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, I see that you have already copied the content of your sandbox to article space. If you wish to keep your existing sandbox until the end of your course, then you can create a new sandbox such as User:Asargana96/sandbox2 (just click and start typing).   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  08:25, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Disgrace by J. M. Koetze
Hi, I added a remark on Disgrace's description. It has been deleted, and declared me as a non-notable person. I wish to protest this. I have read Disgrace and strongly uphold my opinion. As to be non-notable I have a M.A. in filmaking and Ph.D in Physics, with an important monograph coming up from Cambridge University Press in less than three weeks.

Please, be so kind as to restore my remarks. Or, tell me what recourse I have with Wikileaks.

Cheers, Dharam Vir Ahluwalia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dharam Vir Ahluwalia (talk • contribs) 09:01, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what Wikileaks has to do with this(this is Wikipedia).  I can say that Wikipedia is not for posting our own opinions about article subjects, even if we have qualifications to make those opinions.  Posting our own views is a conflict of interest.  In addition, Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources state.  If your views on the book are published in independent sources, you can make an edit request on the article talk page to request their inclusion, in doing so providing a published source for your views.  331dot (talk) 09:08, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, my spell corrector made Wikipedia into Wikileaks. Apologies.

I am not posting on a post created by me. I am protesting against the post that unfairly, in my opinion, propagates an incorrect and derogatory information -- even if published elsewhere. My Facebook friends agree with my remark, and I would very much appreciate that my dissenting remarks are honoured, and published. I have taken the matter to social media and I hope not to escalate the matter further. But if needed, I'll go to your seniors -- in that event please do give me a link to escalate the matter.

Please suggest a remedy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dharam Vir Ahluwalia (talk • contribs)
 * I assume you are referencing this post, where you are critical of a comment in the article. Such posting is more appropriate for the article talk page, in this case Talk:Disgrace.  All articles have an associated talk page which can be accessed by clicking "Talk" at the top of the article(assuming you are using a computer).  If you disagree with the comment you are referencing and feel it should be removed, you need to discuss the matter on the article talk page if others disagree with you, in order to reach a consensus as to how to proceed.  You can do this as a formal edit request or just a regular discussion(as we are doing here). 331dot (talk) 09:36, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Please remember to sign all talk page and forum posts with four tildes( ~ ) so we know that you wrote them. Alternatively, you can click the Signature button on the screen(it looks like a scribble) when the cursor is at the end of your post. 331dot (talk) 09:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Sir, unless dissenting opinion on any subject has been reported via reliable, published sources (and you are welcome to discuss those on the article's talk page), then there is absolutely no room for your or anyone else's view on any topic to be inserted into an article. If there were, this encyclopaedia would descend into an argumentative forum where anyone can say anything that they personally find offensive or unacceptable and add it as a new section on any page. Your opinion and my opinions on any subject here are mostly irrelevant, but careless wording or poor plot summaries etc can always be discussed in the Article's Talk page, where a consensus over wording may be reached. In addition we are both welcome to supply citations to where other respected voices have been reported giving an alternative view. What we can't do is place our own views into this encyclopaedia. Sorry.
 * Whilst I am here, may I politely inform you that your Userpage at User:Dharam Vir Ahluwalia is in breach of our guidelines on what you may and may not have on it? Specifically, you have created a userpage that closely resembles an encyclopaedia entry about yourself, and that is not acceptable. You are welcome to say a little bit about yourself in the first person form, but not as if you are the subject of an encyclopaedia article, as you have manage to do. Although it has been there unnoticed since 2017, it will now either need to be changed very quickly by you (or the page moved to become a draft article), or the userpage itself may be put forward for deletion. Should that happen, you would be welcome to create a new page there that does conform to our guidelines. I am very sorry to have to tell you this, but you can read more at WP:USERPAGE and, in particular, the section whose shortcut link is WP:FAKEARTICLE. I was minded to move it myself to Draft:Dharam Vir Ahluwalia, but felt you would prefer to have some notice so that you can understand the issues here. Although we advise against editors trying to create articles about themselves, this is not prohibited. Assuming that you have read and believe you meet our Notability criteria for academics, you can read how you can go about this at this guidance page. Kind regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Two short points: see No legal threats before going down the line of I hope not to escalate the matter further, and my Facebook friends agree with my remark is close to the absolute bottom in terms of sourcing. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me 07:52, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * While we cannot accept editors' unpublished opinions or interpretations as the basis for article material,, if your forthcoming Cambridge University Press book is about Coetzee (NB not "Koetze"), then it sounds like it could be a useful source. Please do let us know when it is published. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:50, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Change the contribution owner
Hi everyone,

Is it possible to change an existing contribution from anonymous (public IP) to an existing wiki user (myself)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassan Hadji (talk • contribs) 02:25, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think so as there is no way of "proving" that those edits were yours, not to mention that the effort required to do so for everyone would be too great relative to the benefits. If I'm wrong, please let me know anyone. <b style="color:#0000FF">William2001</b>(<b style="color:#00FF00">talk</b>) 03:02, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Due to the license Terms of Wikipedia there is intentionally no way of doing this onwiki. The only way would be that a server admin would login as root and change the database. Jannik Schwaß (talk) 04:49, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . You can list a notice on your userpage that says you previously edited under IP address XXXXXXXX and take full responsibility for those edits. But the edit history cannot be changed for this particular reason. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:11, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * If what you really want is to hide the IP address for privacy reasons then this is possible without assigning it to your account. See Requests for oversight. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:47, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

BLP with virtually no citations
In Eric Himy, I see almost no citations at all (should it be deleted?). Also, the editor who created the page seems to only care about Himy. Is this a possible Conflict of interest? (maybe the editor is Himy himself or his family member?) Of course, I want to assume good faith, and I'm not accusing the editor of making his own article. I'm just suggesting whether things like this warrant an investigation of some sort, if that even exists. Thank you! <b style="color:#0000FF">William2001</b>(<b style="color:#00FF00">talk</b>) 03:24, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi William2001! He's notable, just not well sourced. I just googled him and found a lot very quickly.  I'll add some sources to the article.  Orville1974  (talk) 03:55, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Contrary to what you wrote, an editor "Erichimy" did some editing in 2009-09, and could be assumed to be Eric Himy, but the article was previously and subsequently edited by many others. As a result of your query here, Orville1974 added content, and importantly, removed copyrighted content. Please keep reviewing existing articles and tagging those that are under-referenced, but be more careful about your reasons to suggest review. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

My draft got deleted while I was working on it ...
Hi folks, my Draft:Cuthbert Heath, which User:Cordless Larry helped me with here at the Teahouse a month ago by providing me a copy of the ODNB listing, was deleted before I had a chance to comment.

It was tagged for alleged copyright violation and deleted five minutes later. This was not an article but merely a draft which I hadn't completed or posted live onto Wikipedia. I copied some material (not into my body text but into my notes below it to refer back to) which I was later going to examine closely for accuracy and, if usable and relevant, possibly briefly summarize in my own words. Would someone mind briefly restoring the draft so I may copy my work and notes either into my sandbox or off-Wikipedia so I may complete my draft? Or you could post it directly into my sandbox at User:Gillywell/sandbox2. There is so much information about this famous individual available, and much of it is inaccurate or contradictory. That's why I was copying some material verbatim until I have examined all of the evidence and made a determination as to what is accurate and what isn't. Thank you. Gillywell (talk) 23:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , what you ask cannot happen. You cannot have copyrighted material anywhere on Wikipedia. The deleting admin might be willing to email you a copy, but is under no obligation to do so. The way to paraphrase is not to paste the copyrighted material into a page and change the words around. That will result in a close paraphrase every time. Instead, read the material and rewrite it in your own words. You don't need a copy for that. John from Idegon (talk) 23:31, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not paste copyrighted material into any body text, and I did not copy it in order to change the words around, as I noted above. I copied what the item said in a note to myself below the draft text I was writing, in order to compare with the dozens of other claims in other documents and in order to determine which dates and claims were correct and which were errors or bogus. If you can see the draft, you can tell that. Gillywell (talk) 23:42, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Note: Sphilbrick has now emailed me a copy of the draft, and I will complete it off of Wikipedia until I have completed my research and roundup of information. Anyway, thanks everyone, and this is now resolved. Gillywell (talk) 00:07, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I expect that you now know that even notes copied into Wikipedia draft or user-space cannot contain copyright text, but, for the benefit of any other readers of this question, any copied material must be stored on the editor's own computer for working on, and only the editor's own words may be stored anywhere in Wikipedia space. This can be a nuisance at times, but is required by copyright law.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  11:00, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, How can i be able to post an on wikipedia.
having problems posting articles on wikipedia, kindly help me out with some basic steps. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winfred Dela Akafia (talk • contribs) 12:45, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The first thing I noticed is that you seem to be trying to write about yourself. This is highly discouraged on Wikipedia.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a means for people to tell the world about themselves. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources state about article subjects, and has no interest in what the subject wants to say about themselves.  To be successful in writing about yourself here, you would essentially need to forget everything you know about yourself and only write based on what others have published about you.  Most people cannot do this. If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media like Facebook.
 * Also please understand that successfully writing a new article is the hardest task on Wikipedia, even for people not writing about themselves. It takes much time and practice.  If you want to write articles about subjects other than yourself, you should use the new user tutorial and read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 13:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Clueless Newbie's First Page
I have accessed your helpful page with instructions for creating and editing a page, but my question is asking for advice. My boss has asked me to create a page for our new business, and I would like to do it correctly from the start. I searched our business' name, and it doesn't exist on Wikipedia, so I believe I'm good to go. Are there any pitfalls I should be aware of before beginning? Advice is most appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Thies (talk • contribs) 20:47, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Before creating any article you ought to read the advice at WP:Your first article, and about a company the notability criteria at WP:NCORP, but for your business you need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:54, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best thing I can suggest to you is that you not attempt to write an article(not just "page") about your business.  You seem to have a fundamental misconception about what Wikipedia is.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a forum to merely tell about a business.  As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources state about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability; in the case of a business, that is written at WP:ORG. (please review).  Wikipedia is not interested in what a business wants to say about itself.
 * Furthermore, successfully creating a new article is difficult for most editors, but more so for those with a conflict of interest. You are also a paid editor since you are here at the direction of your boss.  You are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to comply with that policy.  As you have a conflict of interest, you should not directly edit about your business.  There are indirect ways to do so- but only if your business meets the criteria(again, WP:ORG).  The fact that you state that the business is new is also problematic, as Wikipedia is not for spreading the word about new businesses.  Businesses must already be notable to merit articles here.  Not every business merits an article here, even within the same field.  It all depends on the coverage in independent sources.  Sources like the company website, staff interviews, press releases, routine announcements, and other primary sources do not establish notability.
 * I know this is a lot of information, and I apologize- but again, in short, you should not attempt to write about your business. Feel free to show this message to your boss if it helps you. 331dot (talk) 20:56, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Here is a slightly different view. Your boss has given you an assignment that, while not impossible, is exceptionally difficult and fraught with peril. The very first thing that you must do is comply completely and fully with the mandatory Paid-contribution disclosure. Then, read the guideline Conflict of interest and follow it closely. Your next step is to read and study Your first article. I suggest that you read it in full several times. Also study the Neutral point of view and Notability (organizations and companies). Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising, marketing or promotion. As a paid editor, you are not permitted to place the article directly into the encylopedia. Instead, you need to write a draft article and use the Articles for Creation process, where uninvolved editors review your draft, and either approve it or decline it.


 * Begin by assembling a list of significant coverage of your company in reliable, independent sources. Being independent is very important. That rules out your company website and anything that results from press releases or your company's promotional and marketing activities. Write a draft that neutrally summarizes what these reliable independent sources say about your company and submit it for review. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  21:19, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , I just noticed that you described the company as "new". Unless your new company has received exceptionally significant coverage in major business media outlets, it is simply not possible to write an acceptable Wikipedia article. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  21:24, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * How do you know that User:Cullen328? Maybe this company has an incredibly rich history behind its formation. There are a lot of pages of companies that have never received coverage in major business media outlets. What a clown comment. <b style="color:#070">Gillnitz</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  10:57, 21 June 2019 (GTFO)
 * Cullen328 is an extremely knowledgeable and experienced user, and I consider what they have to say very carefully and certainly don't call what they say a "clown comment". Please see other stuff exists.  A company having a "rich history" is meaningless unless it is documented in independent reliable sources.  If companies do not have significant coverage in independent sources that show how they meet Wikipedia's definition of a notable company they do not merit articles here. If you know of other inappropriate articles, please point them out so they can be addressed, instead of discounting the advice of experienced users.  Thank you. 331dot (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Experience doesn't equal common sense and there was no common sense in his post. How about you reread what I posted. I said major business media outlets, e.g. CNN, The New York Times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnGillnitz (talk • contribs) 15:30, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Declined draft
Hello,

The draft Draft:Pradeo was rejected for the second time.

I added more "junk sources" according to the person who reviewed.

In the References, I linked journalists articles that are published on independent blogs / websites and marketplaces from known companies. Can these be described as "junk sources" ? If yes, what can I provide as sources to prove more legitimacy.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blixoo (talk • contribs) 07:50, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that most/all of the 'refs' at Draft:Pradeo are not considered either reliable sources or just have a passing mention of Pradeo rather than being lengthy content. Also, what Pradeo publishes about itself does not count as refs. Question: this is the only article you have worked on - do you have any paid or unpaid relationship with Pradeo? If so, that must be declared on your User page. David notMD (talk) 10:59, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Blogs are rarely considered reliable sources and the so-called "marketplace" listings seem to be from companies with a commercial relationship with Pradeo. Those sources are not independent. What is required to show notability is significant coverage in reliable sources that are fully independent of Pradeo. If you have a paid relationship with Pradeo, then you must comply with the mandatory Paid editing disclosure. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  17:25, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

I cant see article i moved on wikipedia
Hi, I have moved an article from another user's sandbox on wikepidia (article) however i cant see the article on wikipedia. the article name is SBIRT: Screening, Brief Intervention, and Referral to Treatment.

How and when will it display on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asargana96 (talk • contribs) 17:44, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Here it is: SBIRT: Screening, Brief Intervention, and Referral to Treatment. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  17:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi! I just moved it to Screening, brief intervention and referral to treatment since there was already a redirect in place for SBIRT to the article and the use of a colon in the title was causing your difficulty in finding the article. (Colons specify other spaces within Wikipedia.)  Orville1974  (talk) 18:01, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Found an article that violates COI?
Hi, I recently discovered a page that clearly was created by the owner of the company the page is about. The editor is no longer active. How should I go about reporting this to an administrator? I believe the page violates Wikipedia's COI/paid editing rules, as well as not meeting the notability requirements. Apathyash (talk) 16:25, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , I would tag it for speedy deletion under G11. Then I would report it to Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. Interstellarity  T 🌟 16:56, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi before you tag it for speedy deletion, what is the article itself?  That tag is only for unambiguous advertisement, and without knowing any more about the article, it may or may not be appropriate.  A COI editor may have tainted the contents of the article, but that doesn't necessarily mean the entire article should be deleted.  Orville1974  (talk) 17:50, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The article is AgFunder. The article itself says the company founder is Rob Leclerc, and the name of the person/editor who created the article and added a lot of the info is "Rdleclerc". Take a look and let me know what you think Apathyash (talk) 18:07, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * My personal take is that it doesn't meet G11 criteria, but the subject also doesn't meet notability standards. You could CSD-G11 anyway (which would result in a more experienced editor weighing the article against the criteria), you could add a PROD template (to give fellow editors a chance to object to its deletion), or you could wait for a few more responses here before deciding.  If its removal turns out to be more controversial than I suspect it will be, your last option would be to nominate it at AfD.  Orville1974  (talk) 18:17, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Redirects
How do I create redirects? I know how to move a page to a new page, but I don't know how to create redirects for articles which don't exist to an article which does exist. The reason I want to know is because I've just noticed someone asking a question about Hannibal (2006 TV film) by the BBC, but they were using a different title, so I want to add all the aliases I know of as redirects.

The original title by the BBC in the UK is: Hannibal (2006 TV film) as proven by this and this so I also want to create some similar redirects like:


 * Hannibal (2006 film)
 * Hannibal (2006 TV movie) and
 * Hannibal (2006 movie)

The alternative title redirects I want to create include:


 * Hannibal: Rome's Worst Nightmare (this one already exists as I moved that page today to the actual title)
 * Hannibal: Rome's Worst Nightmare - Sworn to Vengeance, Driven to Conquer
 * Hannibal: Sworn to Vengeance, Driven to Conquer
 * Hannibal: Sworn to Vengeance
 * Hannibal: Driven to Conquer
 * Hannibal: The Fall of Carthage
 * Hannibal: Fall of Carthage
 * Hannibal: The Nightmare of Rome
 * Hannibal: Nightmare of Rome
 * Hannibal: Legendary Commander and
 * Hannibal, Rome's Worst Enemy

Danstarr69 (talk) 18:44, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Unsurprisingly, you can find the instructions at Redirect. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  19:37, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Error with Spelling of Name
Would appreciate if someone could help correct the spelling of my last name in Wikipedia. I managed to change it in the biography, but can't change it in the heading or Wikipedia address link.

Thanks. Doug Freuler (Incorrect:  Frueler
 * Following a quick Google, it appears that you are right; I've moved it. Thanks for letting us know! -A la d insane  <small style="color:#006600">(Channel 2)  20:05, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Guidance on whether a BLP "additional citations needed" template can be removed.
Hi

I've made some changes to the page on Jessica Martin - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Martin. If someone has time could they give me some pointers about the sort of additional citations that should be included before the template is removed? (I've read the help pages, I'm just not confident yet!)

Thanks in advance. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:12, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the teahouse. Thanks for taking the time to add the citations. A good rule of thumb is around 1 citation per paragraph - there are still a few paragraphs that are unsourced, but with a few more citations it should be fine to remove the template. Let me know if you want any help with that --DannyS712 (talk) 00:10, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * - thanks for this, it's helpful. I'll see how I get on with adding further citations.BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:00, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Link to Women's Volleyball Rankings not working
Hi I tried editing the page "Kenya women's national volleyball team" to get it to pull through the current world ranking as per the template, but failed. (I was able to get it to pull through the men's ranking ….) Can anyone help? I checked a couple of other women's volleyball pages and they had the same issue - pulling rankings from August 2017 rather than October 2018 (as per http://www.fivb.org/en/volleyball/VB_Ranking_W_2018-10.asp ) Thanks! BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:20, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , greetings and welcome to the Teahouse! I took a quick look, and it appears that the rankings get populated from another pair of templates, FIVB ranking men and FIVB ranking women. The men's template has been updated to reflect the October 2018 rankings, but the women's template has not. That's why you are seeing August 2017 rankings for the women. I hope this helps!  C Thomas<sup style="font-size: x-small; color: brown;">3   (talk) 01:47, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * - thanks for your help, that worked. I've updated the template. Still a bit of work to do to make names in the template match up with those on the country pages. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:00, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Eduardo Massimo Morrettae Jr
Rassure Système BauHause Depuis a affirmé — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:246:102:1B8F:C429:F13B:20DC:DFC5 (talk) 19:32, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. This is the English language Wikipedia.  Is there an article here you have a question about?  You might want to look at the Spanish Wikipedia help desk:  if you have a question about something in Spanish related to the Wikipedia.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:56, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , the language is French. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  21:05, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

PR person
someone keeps putting inaccurate info on a page, and changes it immediately after I correct it. How can I connect with that person and explain I am the official PR person for individual's page? I do cite sources, but he/she omits them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EGITH2019! (talk • contribs) 19:41, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As you are a paid employee of the person you are editing about, Wikipedia's Terms of Use require you to review and comply with the paid editing policy.  You also need to review the conflict of interest policy.  As you have a conflict of interest, you should not edit about your client directly, instead you should make edit requests on the article talk page to discuss your concerns. 331dot (talk) 19:47, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Article is Sam Zell. As 331dot stated, you must declare on your user page a paid relationship, and at the article, suggest changes on the Talk page rather than directly edit the article. Other editors will review what you suggest as changes and decide. David notMD (talk) 21:09, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Publishing to make Work Searchable: THE SWANNS Wikipedia Page
GA,team forum. I've been working on a band page for "The Swanns". It publishes everytime I exit (since there isn't a 'save' button), but when I go to search for it in the public Wikipedia, I can never find the band's page. What am I doing wrong, please? Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zrjhqbtc (talk • contribs) 20:44, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. "Publish" is the save button.  It is named "Publish" for legal reasons with the licensing of your contributions.  Please read WP:YFA for how to create an article and you can use the wizard there to submit it for review.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:02, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thanks. I am reading the article now. Is this the formum I should reach out to in the future or should I use the desk chat and try to connect with a specific person for the duration? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zrjhqbtc (talk • contribs) 21:30, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can ask here again if you have any more questions. RudolfRed (talk) 22:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I have moved your draft article to Draft:The Swanns. Your userpage is for information about you as a Wikipedia editor. Your draft article is not ready for the encylopedia because it is completely unreferenced. Acceptable Wikipedia articles summarize what reliable independent published sources say about the topic, and your draft must have good references. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  21:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Cullen328, @RudolfRed: Thank you both for your input and help with my article. I am working on the appropriate verifications. Have a wonderful weekend (6/21/19, Fri). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zrjhqbtc (talk • contribs) 22:01, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

How can a description in the "Link" function of the visual editor be changed?
While using the visual editor today, I noticed that the link function describes Mask and Wig as "building in Pennsylvania, United States." Although Mask and Wig contains a picture of a clubhouse, the article focuses on the organization (a "musical comedy troupe") rather than on the building. I don't know the source of the description, so I don't know how to change it. Eddie Blick (talk) 21:23, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, . That description comes from Wikidata, entry Q3297279. I started editing the description there, but the problem is that that entry really does refer to the building (which is a historic building in the NRHP). I think the right answer is to create a new Wikidata entry for the club, and attach the English (and French) article to that instead. I have put a request on the Wikidata project chat pointing out the problem: if nobody deals with it in a couple of days I'll have a go myself. --ColinFine (talk) 23:09, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking into that, . That sounds more complicated than I anticipated. I appreciate your help. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:12, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The Wikidata description can be overridden by using Short description on the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:28, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks, ! I will try that. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:38, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , you can use this User:Galobtter/Shortdesc helper to help you edit short descriptions and add descriptions to other articles. ___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk   00:10, 22 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that advice, . I will see what I can do with that. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:18, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , you can join this wikiproject, and add short descriptions to 4,563,734 articles which are missing one. ___<em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#aa6ef4">CAPTAIN MEDUSA <em style="font-family:grafolitascript;color:#000000">talk   00:26, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

JP Nextgen
I need help to publish JP Nextgen article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JP Nextgen (talk • contribs) 01:21, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I am sorry but I have had to block your account and delete your draft. We do not allow usernames which are the names of businesses. Your draft was for the purpose of promoting your new business which started last month. Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising and promotion. Please read the messages on your talk page. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  01:35, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia with a VPN?
I use a VPN, and wish to edit Wikipedia while the VPN is enabled. However, attempting to edit Wikipedia with a VPN enabled says I am blocked from editing Wikipedia because the IP is blocked. Is there any way to get around this? Thanks! --Sebastian Hudak (talk) 01:10, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Editing with a VPN is not generally permitted, because vandals use them to evade detection and blocking.  The only exception is if one is editing from a country that restricts internet use(like China or Turkey) and can also show a significant contribution history.  Those exceptions are rarely granted, and only when an exceptional need is demonstrated.  See WP:IPBE for more information.
 * Keep in mind that having an account conceals your IP address from the general public here; only vetted users called CheckUsers have access to that information, and can only look at it in certain circumstances. 331dot (talk) 01:16, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks. I live in the US, so I assume that I wouldn't be able to get an exception for my account. Is that correct? If I were to make a large number of significant contributions to Wikipedia and claim my "need" for a VPN as online privacy, would that count as an exceptional need? I understand that my IP address is hidden from the general public, but it would still be convenient and reassuring to use a VPN in my case, although I understand if that isn't permitted. --Sebastian Hudak (talk) 01:26, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * As the US does not restrict internet use, they aren't usually granted to US users. I am hesitant to say 'never granted', as I'm sure there are situations where theoretically someone in the US could get one, but those cases are very rare, and merely wanting privacy almost certainly would not work.  331dot (talk) 01:42, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Despite various US political problems, the US government is not trying to prevent its residents from reading or editing Wikipedia at this time, like China and Turkey do. Therefore, there can be no possible need for you to use VPN to edit Wikipedia, and as explained previously, this technology can be used for disruptive attacks on the encylopedia. When you edit routinely from a registered account, your online privacy is fully protected. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  01:44, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Alright, I understand. Thanks for everyone's help. --Sebastian Hudak (talk) 03:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

How do I make an address correction for St. Mark's Episcopal Church, Worcester, MA.
Correct address is Zero Freeland St. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.186.85 (talk) 03:33, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi welcome to the Teahouse! I think first we need a source that confirms the new address, there after we can change the address. Perhaps this link may be a source. Thanks for the question! 173.52.238.41 (talk) 05:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * In addition, for help adding a source please see Tutorial/Citing sources. Your edit was reverted by, perhaps Jayron32 could explain why the address was changed back to 6. (most likely because we need a reliable sources, which I think we do have) 173.52.238.41 (talk) 05:52, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * changed the address to six in this edit. I've changed it back to zero.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  08:08, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Creating an article
Hello! I would like to create an article about a notable professor and I didn't understand the full procedure of submitting and publishing an article. I have the content of the article and as I read on academic notability he qualifies, I would like your assistance about how to do it. Thank you, Oak9500 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oak9500 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 22 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you start with Your first article, which has/links to info how you can create a draft and submit it for review. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:23, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Creating a new article
How do I create a second article? My sandbox has the last article I created but does not have an option to author a new article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S'khatsele (talk • contribs) 10:15, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your Sandbox, User:S'khatsele/sandbox is now blank and you may simply remove any text that is still there and create a new draft.  331dot (talk) 10:18, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

user deletion
why is my user about to be restarind — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billionaire in training (talk • contribs) 11:44, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Your user page was deleted because you were using it to advertise your business, which is not allowed. User pages are intended to give information about us as editors, such as the types of topic we are interested in editing articles on. Please see User pages for more information on what is and isn't allowed on them. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There is nothing to stop you recreating your userpage, providing it follows the guidelines laid out in WP:USERPAGE, and especially this bit. If it appears promotional, I'm afraid it is liable to be deleted again. So do keep things simple by only saying a few things about your editing interests/aspirations. Whatever you do, avoid anything not relevant to enhancing this encyclopaedia. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:56, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Another problem: Billionaire in Training is a book by Brad Sugars. Billionaires in Training is a consulting company. User names can not be names of businesses, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs)

Error editing
Hello Teahouse

I was looking up some books that I read and noticed that there was an error. I edited it but when I came back on Wikipedia it was changed back. can some one explain why??

the error is on here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America%27s_Forgotten_Past

People of the Fire

>Main characters Little Dancer/Fire Dancer: A young man of the Red Hand raised in a village of the Short Buffalo People, Little Dancer struggles to understand and come to grips with his emerging shamanic Power. He later becomes Fire Dancer after said Power comes into full bloom.

Two Smokes: An aging berdache who helps raise Little Dancer while seeking to glean a new food source in light of the dwindling numbers of buffalo.

Elk Charm: The love-interest of Little Dancer, she leaves the Red Hand camp after completing her first menstruation, fearing ambush and rape by Blood Bear.

Tanager: An independent-minded Red Hand warrior-woman amazingly skilled in battle. She is renowned for her ability to outrun men, to evade flying war-darts (spears launched by means of an atlatl) and her ferocity in battle.

Blood Bear: Ferocious war-leader of the Red Hand who becomes Keeper of the Wolf Bundle after reclaiming it from the Short Buffalo People, but shows no respect to the sacred object in private. He is revealed to be Little Dancer's biological father.

Heavy Beaver: Chief of the Short Buffalo tribe who uses false Dreams to obtain power for himself. Heavy Beaver suffers greatly from an Oedipus complex, struggling to prove his worth to the memory of his dead mother.

White Calf: The ancient medicine woman who teaches Little Dancer to harness his Dreams.<

This whole section should be under People of the Fire yet it is under People of the Lakes. It is very confusing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Windiashe (talk • contribs) 05:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! I've asked the editor who removed your edit to help me with your question. (looks like a copyright issue) 173.52.238.41 (talk) 06:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you've sorted out the problem. It's a common misconception that it's okay to start by copying some copyrighted material into an article or draft or user subpage, and then rewrite it to eliminate the copyright problem. In short, that's not the case. We don't permit copyrighted material to remain in historical versions of articles. S Philbrick (Talk)  13:08, 22 June 2019 (UTC)