Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 987

Captcha reloading when trying to publish
Hello, I am trying to update an article but when I click publish the captcha reloads and I have to re-enter. Then it just reloads again. I have triple checked that I am putting the correct letters in, case is correct etc. Can someone please advise? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FactFinder86 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello (Since no one else is answered:) Wikipedia has never given me a Captcha, not even one. Are you sure you are at "en.wikipedia.org/" with the "https://" lock, when trying to make the edit? If it was the actual wikipedia doing this, I am at a loss, just as the other editor at your talkpage, and I'd have to bounce you to WP:RD/C, the computing reference desk. Good luck!  Usedtobecool  ✉️ ✨ 11:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Validity of source in housing information
Suppose a local newspaper has a section for housing information, does that make the residential unit notable if it appeared there? Sometimes there is also a reporter working on it. I'm not 100% sure about this. viz ✦ 17:56, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Viztor, not by itself; no, I don't think so. Usedtobecool  ✉️ ✨ 11:42, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

how to add an article on wikipedia
Hello there? I would like to know how to add a new article or item on the wikipedia. Then how do you link your edit from the source of the information? Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapyenga (talk • contribs)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully writing a new article is probably the hardest task on Wikipedia. It takes much time, effort, and practice.  New users who dive right in to creating articles often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings as something they spent hours on is mercilessly edited and even deleted by others; I don't want that to happen to you.  New users are much more successful if they start out editing existing articles in areas that interest them, starting with small edits, working their way up to more substantive edits, and finally creating articles.  I would strongly recommend that you pursue such a path.
 * However, if you still want to attempt to create an article, I would suggest that your first use the new user tutorial. Then, read Your First Article and use Articles for Creation to submit a draft for review by another editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia.  This way you find out any problems before placement, instead of afterwards when it will be treated more critically.
 * For information on citing information, please read WP:CITE. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Flags - Manual of Style
See this edit by Tony1. Without flagicon list looks weird. Is this correct per MOS? List of most-followed Instagram accounts has the same format. -- CptViraj (📧) 12:05, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, per MOS:FLAGCRUFT. Wikipedia is not a place for nationalistic pride, so unless a person represents the nation, there is no good reason to emphasise their nationality. --MrClog (talk) 12:09, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This is bad. How flagicons harm Wikipedia? I think it looks more clear then just the name of the country. Is this MOS guideline applies to all flag templates? -- CptViraj (📧) 13:17, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It would apply to all flag templates, and they should probably be removed from the Instagram list. The reason we actively discourage flags in situations where there isn't a clear need for them is because flags, by their nature, are visually striking and strongly emphasize country affiliation. In most cases they over-emphasize this affiliation, making the national tie appear more important than it should be. MrClog provided a link to MOS:FLAGCRUFT, which has some good examples in it. Where country affiliation actually matters, such as international sporting events where athletes are part of national teams competing at the country level, they are absolutely acceptable. But in situations where the national tie is more tangential (where a person's nationality is useful information but not critical to the understanding of the topic), we discourage the use of flags in those cases. I hope this helps.  C Thomas3   (talk) 14:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Gotcha! Thanks and . -- CptViraj  (📧) 15:36, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Adding an Infobox to existing page: Not showing up as an infobox after I enter in the code
Hello!

I followed the Infobox person template and pasted it into an existing page in the editing mode. Yet when I click preview, it doesn't show up as an infobox. Anyone able to assist with this?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jillianmarierogers16 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to improve it. You have a reply to this same question at the help desk WP:HD.  Please don't ask the same question in multiple places.  RudolfRed (talk) 16:11, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Could anyone explain to me this undo?
Here's what I received https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:62.11.163.60. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.11.163.60 (talk) 21:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Your edit was undone because "I changed the father's name from Giuffre (american version, for Jimmy Giuffre which is born on US soil and is known by the US interpretation of his name) to Giuffrè, which is the actual family name existing in Italy, and the one the father would have had since he was an Italian immigrant." is considered to be WP:synth. Just because something is plausible, it should not be presented as fact in Wikipedia. What if the person overseeing alien registration at Ellis Island was Scottish or German, and the father orally conveyed the spelling of his name? This sort of thing actually happened. We cannot tell dead people how they spelled their names on Wikipedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:34, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * searching "Giuffre" without the accent on any engine will give you exclusively Jimmy Giuffre + results for Giuffrè with an accent. Also, in the italian version of the page, the father's name is spelled as Giuffrè. --82.84.65.61 (talk) 10:47, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No Wiki, including this one and the Italian Wikipedia, is considered reliable because they are UGC. Having said that, if the Italian Wikipedia has a source giving the name of the farther with an accent, you could use that to support a change to our article - English language sources are preferred, but not required. Girth Summit  (blether)  17:33, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I want to replace a photo and was asked to explain possible conflict of interest
My edit was reverted with  asking for an explanation with "Possibly defensible, but as you seem to be doing this at various articles, all connected with Gillette, Wyoming, you should probably raise this at the Talk page first, and respond to possible COI issues."

I'm not sure what to do or say exactly, but after this comment I read Conflict of interest and Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. I don't work for the city, no one pays me to edit, and I gain nothing from it other than knowledge and experience. Also, I have no connection to the person in the photo or the groups that hosted the event. For photos I look at articles with no photos or photos that could be improved. I saw most photo captions have locations so I added the location to my photos as well which of course is usually the same place over and over because those are the things closest. Also, I do add photos of things in nearby cities to articles as well.

Even though I know a bit about the area and make edits about it on other articles I'm not a subject-matter expert. I'm not cited or referenced as an expert on the topic and usually I have to research before every edit. The edits I make aren't controversial.

Do I have a conflict of interest and what should I do next? Do I put this in my user page and go on editing or do I put it on the talk page for any edits related to the city or should I do something else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr. Satterly (talk • contribs) 12:29, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked at all of your edits but it does seem as if there are a lot of cases where you are replacing existing photos with ones you have personally taken. While of course as a photographer it's kind of you to provide your work to Wikipedia and we appreciate that, you do have a bit of a WP:COI when it comes to placing your own work on Wikipedia, and especially so when replacing existing work. It's a bit more subtle than the usual scenario (e.g. someone is a friend of the subject of the article, or is paid to update the article) but I can see the case for saying you have a conflict as one could argue that you can't dispassionately judge which of two pictures is better, or whether a picture should be added to an article, if one of them is your own work. It might be safest to propose your images on the talk pages of articles and let other editors add them in if they feel they are suitable. Hugsyrup 12:40, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you syrup for responding. I understand what you are saying, though I'm not sure I follow the same train of thought. If the only problem is dispassionate judgment then how is say writing a new paragraph of text different than adding a new photo? Is it because they come from the Commons that makes it different? Mr. Satterly (talk) 17:46, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not coming from Commons that makes a difference for me, and you're right that in theory a picture and a paragraph of text could be seen as equivalent. The difference as I see it is that a paragraph of copy almost inevitably gets absorbed into an article, changed, tweaked, adjusted etc. A picture is, essentially, either there or it's not, and it's easier for a photographer to point to all their pictures on wikipedia and say 'there, those are mine', hence the possible, arguable COI. Of course, believe me, we have problems with people feeling ownership of what they have written as well, and whether this is more a case of WP:own or WP:coi is perhaps splitting hairs. All I'm saying is that I can understand why other editors may feel you have a COI when it comes to putting your own photos into articles, and that it is safest to tread carefully and perhaps go out of your way to work with them and establish consensus for any changes. Hugsyrup 08:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That seems reasonable. Thank you again for responding. Mr. Satterly (talk) 20:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

reject for reason code nn Non notable (generic). Consider using athlete, bio, film, music, org, academic, or web instead
where and how do I fix this problem in my article?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norsmann (talk • contribs) 2019-07-25T22:57:20 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know where you saw that message - it's not in either your User Talk page, or your sandbox; but I assume this is nevertheless about your sandbox. I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months improving existing articles before the venture on the difficult task of writing a new one; and to read your first article before they do so. A Wikipedia article is not a summary of what you (or I, or a random person on the Internet) know: it is a summary of what has been published in reliable sources - and, while citing the sources precisely is not an absolute requirement for all articles, it makes a draft much more likely to be accepted on review. See REFB for how to cite sources. --ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


 * To clarify about the message: that is intended for the reviewer.  The reviewer declined the submission using a "generic" non-notable reason (nn) for the "submission declined" message box at the top of your draft. Notability criteria for specific types of articles (athlete, bio, film, etc.) can vary somewhat, and the message you found is just a reminder to the reviewer that a more specific non-notable reason might be more appropriate. —107.15.157.44 (talk) 00:11, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


 * You started be creating an article about Ogmois, but most of the content was about how Druids taught. That has no purpose in the article. David notMD (talk) 04:25, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

So I have a few questions
I have many weaknesses. I thought I would overwhelm anyone fool enough to help me by sticking all of my problems in one big post.


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. It would be much preferable if you asked those questions separately, because different people may want to answer them, and because if there is further discussion on any of them it may become difficult to read. In fact, I have split them up with subheadings, and added your signature to each section. (it is not normally recommended to edit somebody  else's post here, but I'm not changing your text, just adding headers). Also, please sign posts on talk and discussion pages like this one, with four tildes ( ~ ). --ColinFine (talk) 21:23, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Tracking down a quote
1) I don't know how to track down a quote. How do you guys track down a quoted statement? For example:  The university was created "with the purpose to form the necessary and capable human resource to face the scientific and technological developments"

I tried Googling for the article's exact phrase and limiting the "time range" in the advance search tools. I could find no reference other than the Wikipedia article in question and some sites which duplicate Wikipedia articles.

I ended up giving up and adding — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintmeh (talk • contribs) 2019-07-25T19:48:37 (UTC)
 * You're ublikely to find a match as it'll have been written by a (probably paid) wikipedia editor. It's pure promotional garbage that imparts no information whatsoever. Just delete it with an appropriate edit summary. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:50, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Unclear text
2) Can I just say "Write it again"?

I can normally infer what the author was trying to state. If there's a single sentence which is unclear, I can mention it in my summary. However, sometimes I get lost in the needlessly pedantic attempt at communication. I could probably delete these example paragraphs:

"In that sense, URU executes the necessary academic programs to form professionals of higher education in relevant areas from the social scientific point of view, through fresh and flexible curriculums which are constantly adapted to the new demands of the diverse disciplines of knowledge and of the professional praxis.

For that purpose, URU has programs of basic, applied, and extensive investigation. From a higher level, through a line of heuristic training which defines the profile of the creative and suitable professional to resolve problems in situations of increasing complexity; URU emphasizes quaternary education through significative supports to the scientific and social context. "

I could replace these paragraphs with: URU creates highly educated professionals through fresh and flexible curricula. The university does this by focusing on the practical applications of coursework. URU's post graduate education focuses on creating significantly symbolic advances in both scientific and social fields of study.

If I completely rewrite their work, I will miss important messages that they failed to originally communicate. Additionally, it's not the editor's job to write the article. How much leeway does an editor have to fix the original? All of my other editing assignments were fun, but this one was painful. I can write at an average level. I know I'm not amazing, but I can still help. It seems like that article has improved again since I improved it. The article is still the poorest written article I have seen on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintmeh (talk • contribs) 2019-07-25T19:48:37 (UTC)
 * Oh, that was soo painful to read! Utterly pointless wiki-wiffle-waffle, that you could aum up by saying "the University teaches students". But as that's what all Universities do, I see no need to say anything. Just excise it all! Sometimes "less is more", and this article still needs more pruning. We dont need to know all the minor departments, either - one simple External link to the University website should suffice. Finding other sources that talk about the University would be nice, though. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:03, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Unneeded copyedit notice
3) Sometimes I run into an article marked for copy-edit... but the article is clear, correct, concise, comprehensible, and consistent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangewala

How can I ask someone to remove the copy-edit tag? Can anyone do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintmeh (talk • contribs) 2019-07-25T19:48:37 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Anybody can add a maintenance tag if they think it is appropriate, or remove one if they think it is not. There are a couple of things you might usefully do before removing a tag:
 * See if there has been any discussion of the matter on the article's talk page
 * Look at the history, and see if there have been edits that address the problem.
 * If you can't see that it has been addressed, but you also can't see why it is appropriate, you might find out who added it (from the history) and ask them on their User talk page.
 * But you are not obliged to do any of these: you can just remove the tag if you think it is not appropriate - make sure to give an edit summary to make clear that you are doing this thoughtfully. If somebody disagrees with your removal, it is up to them to start a discussion about it with you and anybody else interested, on the article's talk page. See WP:BRD --ColinFine (talk) 21:29, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Unneeded articles
4) Some articles shouldn't be on Wikipedia.  Can I vote to kill the article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Nights_At_Ghost_House — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintmeh (talk • contribs) 2019-07-25T19:48:37 (UTC)


 * Not exactly "vote",, but yes, any editor can initiate a deletion process. There are actually three different deletion processes: Speedy deletion for an article which matches one of a specific set of criteria (such as being a copyright violation, an attack page, or hopelessly promotional); Proposed deletion where you expect the deletion to be uncontroversial; and Articles for deletion in other cases. You can read the pages I linked to for how these work. (If you're going to be doing much of this - or tagging articles - you may find Twinkle a useful tool). --ColinFine (talk) 21:34, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Getting a fix reviewed
5) How do I ask someone to review my fix?  I have a weird fix in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_State_Customs_Committee_(Azerbaijan) I changed this: "The two departments in the Academy are Economics and Natural Sciences and Law and Humanities" to this: "The two departments in the Academy are:
 * Economics and Natural Sciences
 * Law and Humanities "

I'm not super happy with that, but it's now at least comprehensible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintmeh (talk • contribs) 2019-07-25T19:48:37 (UTC)


 * You could reword the entire sentence, and connect the two departments with "as well as".--71.36.126.117 (talk) 06:05, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Translating articles
6) Is it okay to translate? Sometimes Wikipedia articles have no information in English, but a lot of information in another language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizen-Fukukawa_Station I noticed that the Japanese version had much better information.  I know a couple hundred words in Japanese and I'm familiar with the sentence structure.  I thought I would translate the low hanging fruit of the article to English.  I am 100% certain of my translation, but I only dared to translate 10% of the article to English.  Since I'm new, I thought I would translate a tiny train stop that services less than 50 people a year.  That way, I couldn't do much damage.  I cited external sources.

PS: Thanks for the notice to participate in the Teahouse. The notice was the deciding factor in me posting here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saintmeh (talk • contribs) 2019-07-25T19:48:37 (UTC)


 * The relevant page is Translation, . I always advise editors to treat a translation as a new article in the English Wikipedia, where some or all of the text comes from (by translation) another Wikipedia - and must be attributed properly. But each language Wikipedia is a separate project with its own rules on notability, sources etc, so just because an article exists in nhwiki does not necessarily mean that a translation of that article will be acceptable as it stands in enwiki. --ColinFine (talk) 21:38, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of Uolve page
I had created page by name "uolve" I am using mediawiki to develop it further ... can i known the reason why it was deleted. Also, can i get help to develop some effective meaningful extensions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krishnaheda (talk • contribs) 05:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . A notification was left on you user talk page explaining why the page was nominated for deletion, but if you'd like to know more you can post a message at User talk:Athaenara since Athaenara is the administrator who deleted the page. If you do post something there, please try to remember to sign your post. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I am an administrator so I took a look at the deleted content. Here is a two sentence quotation: "Uolve aims to bring transformational change in the world by solving all the generic problems with billion dollars of savings every year across the world without any side effects even in the long-term. This has been possible with the help of social innovators across the world from different backgrounds who have built a unique self powered social innovation platform which is not for profit, without any owner and works with zero cost to innovate on behalf of the people by solving all the generic problems to deliver happiness across the world."


 * That is highly promotional advertising language that is completely inappropriate for a neutral encylopedia article. It promises the sun and the moon and the stars without any evidence or specificity. It lacks encyclopedic content. Please realize that Wikipedia is not a platform for promotion, even for good causes. Try reading Your first article. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:17, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Need to create Wikipedia page, need to know that the links which i have with me have good citation, and are eligible according to Wikipedia Policy
I need to create an article, have some links with me of it for references. Sharing it here. (removed)

How can i know that i can create an article out of it, are these links enough for the notability criteria of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akshaysharma7583 (talk • contribs)


 * I assume the article is Zerodha, is it? I'm not going to read through all of these links but, on the face of it, you seem to have a decent number of sources, although some of them are not suitable (just because an article mentions Zerodha, or includes a quote from the founder, doesn't mean it establishes notability, and YouTube links are rarely suitable as sources, for example). A better way to get this assessed would be to pick the best of the above articles and create a draft of the article for assessment at WP:AFC. And please bear in mind that quality of sources is, generally, more important than quantity... Hugsyrup 10:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Notability is not necessarily determined by the number of links, but by how extensive the coverage is. (for brevity purposes I have removed the links, though they are still in the edit history of this page).  Sources that are brief mentions or routine announcements do not usually establish notability.  The coverage needs to be in depth and voluntary(the sources needs to have chosen on their own to write about the subject).  Please understand that successfully writing a new article is probably the hardest task on Wikipedia, as it takes much practice.  You may wish to use the new user tutorial and read Your First Article. I am curious as to why you "need" to create this article. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

How to add images from internet
I want to add images to some pages from internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sujay 1803 (talk • contribs)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Instructions for uploading images can be found at WP:UPIMAGE.  However, it is not as easy as it sounds, as you must make sure that you have the rights to the image(such as being the owner of the image, or the image having a proper license to permit others to use it). 331dot (talk) 12:23, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

How to Retrieve deleted paragraphs?
Dear Sir/Madam: I am a dean of an international college and wants to add the following texts about my university. However, the text was deleted. Please assist me on how to retrieve the lost article. Thank you. Bongkosh


 * International College*
 * Bachelor of Business Administration in International Business**
 * Bachelor of Business Administration in Hotel & Tourism Management** — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bongkosh Rittichainuwat Ngamsom (talk • contribs)
 * What article exactly are you referring to? Is it Siam University? If text was deleted from within an article, then it can generally be found by going to the page history and going back to an old version. However, be careful about reinstating deleted text as there may be a good reason it was removed. If the whole article was deleted then your best bet is probably to talk to the admin who deleted it as, depending on the reason it was deleted, they may be willing to reinstate it as a draft. If you can point me to the exact article, I can help you identify which admin to talk to. Hug</i>syrup 15:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The first thing you need to do, before making any further edits, is to make the mandatory declaration of paid editing. Then you can read the advice regarding conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:37, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Siam University International College
The international college consists of 1) Bachelor of Business Administration (BBA) in International Business[] established in 1995, and 2) Bachelor of Business Administration (BBA) in Hotel & Tourism Management[] founded in 1997. These undergraduate programs use English as official language. Dr. Bongkosh Ngamsom Rittichainuwat is the dean. ,

Curriculum
The curriculum was approved by the Office of Higher Education Commission of Thailand. Students are required to complete general education courses (languages, computer applications) and business administration courses (accounting, finance, marketing, organization management, human resources), but choose their own specialty based on the above majors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bongkosh Rittichainuwat Ngamsom (talk • contribs) 14:02, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Details and image are not appered on Infobox music_band
Hi there,

I have issues on "infobox music_band" for the new article. The most of the information including the image aren't shown on right top side box in article page. In "preview your changes" page before submitting there are many warning errors those are related to the titles on infobox. Here are two of the warning messages. I would appreciate if someone helps me to solve this problem.

Warning: Page using Template:Infobox musical artist with unknown parameter "name          " (this message is shown only in preview). Warning: Page using Template:Infobox musical artist with unknown parameter "image         " (this message is shown only in preview).

Many thanks Kamanchejan (talk) 13:39, 26 July 2019 (UTC)Kamanchejan
 * Hi Kamanchejan - I don't understand why it is happening, but I copied the first three parameters from Template:Infobox musical artist and added the name, image etc and they work, so I assume you can do that with the other parameters. I stopped part way through to leave it as an example. Did you copy the box from another article (if so, which one?), or the template page? and did you copy it directly, or paste it somewhere else on the way? - Arjayay (talk) 14:05, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Convenience link - Kamancello - Arjayay (talk) 14:07, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Arjayay, thank you for your prompt reply. I used the file from my previous infobox pages and mixed with Wiki inobox music artist template altogether on my computer. Is thee any connection between copied sources and the errors? Now, I can see the image appears but not the details. The entire warning errors are as follow.

Warning: Page using Template:Infobox musical artist with unknown parameter "website        " (this message is shown only in preview).

Warning: Page using Template:Infobox musical artist with unknown parameter "caption       " (this message is shown only in preview).

Warning: Page using Template:Infobox musical artist with unknown parameter "origin        " (this message is shown only in preview).

Warning: Page using Template:Infobox musical artist with unknown parameter "genre         " (this message is shown only in preview).

Warning: Page using Template:Infobox musical artist with unknown parameter "background    " (this message is shown only in preview).

Warning: Page using Template:Infobox musical artist with unknown parameter "years_active  " (this message is shown only in preview).

Sorry, the issues might be made because of my limited knowledge about using the templates. Thank you Kamanchejan (talk) 14:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)Kamanchejan
 * Hi Kamanchejan - firstly, please note that "pings" do not work unless you add the link and your signature both in the same edit. I am well aware of the remaining edit messages, I left the work-around partly done so you can see that although I have "fixed" the first three entries, there is no visual difference. We need to try and work out where in the process the problem has arisen. Can you copy the remaining parameters from Template:Infobox musical artist, paste them into that page, and transfer the ramaining info? - If you do that, and it works, I assume the problem was in your initial copy-paste, and hopefully, that was a "one-off".  However, if you do that and it doesn't work, then the problem seems to be specific to you/your machine/OS etc. and you will probably have problems in the future. In that case; I suggest you start a thread at Village pump (technical) to ask for "tech" help - Arjayay (talk) 14:48, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I appreciate all your helps Arjayay. The errors were solved when I read your question about "which sources have been used for infobox". I fixed the other remaining errors by rewriting all bars on the infobox directly and published them. Best - Kamanchejan (talk) 15:49, 26 July 2019 (UTC)Kamanchejan

Appeal Of Decline Of Article
I put this question at the Help Desk on 16 July 2019. As of today 26 July 2019 it has not been answered and the question page has been archived.

"== 06:10:53, 16 July 2019 review of draft by Pequena Princesa ==

I have submitted this article twice. When I resubmitted, I addressed the three comments made by the declining reviewer: (1) use of YouTube references - all are gone now (2) use of the subject's website as a source - removed (3) use of placeholders for photos - removed. I now have all independent, reputable sources not at all related to the subject. Yet now another reviewer has declined the article, telling me that I need independent, reputable sources not at all related to the subject. There is a comment about articles tangentially referring to the subject: that may be true of 2 or 3 out of 14 articles but certainly not all or even most. It seems that the goal post keeps on moving, reviewer to reviewer, and every time I comply with one reviewer's demands the next reviewer makes more of his/her own. This last reviewer's comments are simply not true, as if he did not read the sources and simply copied the grounds for declining. Is there any form of appeal? Pequena Princesa (talk) 06:10, 16 July 2019 (UTC)"

In short, I complied with the demands of the previous reviewer in resubmitting the article and the second reviewer made different demands, which the article already complies with. So I want to appeal the second decline. What is the procedure?
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can ask the person who declined your draft about it, but the person you wrote about does not seem to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable musician, written at WP:BAND. I also see that you use IMDB as a source; this is not an acceptable source as it is user-editable. The other sources seem to be routine announcements or press release type articles which do not establish notability.  If you haven't already, I would suggest reading Your First Article to learn what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 12:54, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Referencing performances and auditions does not contribute to music notability. Also, the (volunteer) reviewing editors do not need to be comprehensive in explanation for decline - one reason is sufficient. Just because that was remedied does not mean that other shortfalls do not exist. David notMD (talk) 16:31, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Mian mir successors
Sir i added the current successor of SUFI SAINT HAZRAT MIAN MIR but mr.utcursch removed it i added the reference of approved pedigree sadaat family of MIAN MIR — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peershafqatalishah (talk • contribs) 16:17, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The editor who reverted your edit answered your question at User talk:Utcursch. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

how to get unblocked?
I got a notice:

> Message:: Open proxy: Leaky webhost: Contact stewards if you are affected

I'm not sure what this means, but I'm not a "webhost". Can someone unblock me?

A volunteer told me: "If you have an account already and cannot edit, please contact the local administrators of your project and ask whether or not you are eligible for the 'ipblock-exempt' group."

But I don't know who is my "local administrator for my project" or how to contact them!

This is all my cryptic and opaque. I'm really surprised Wikipedia is so arcane in this day and age. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Takopus (talk • contribs) 16:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


 * You obviously can edit, or we wouldn't be able to see your question here, so you don't need to worry unless and until you are actually blocked in the future. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:37, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Request for editing a Wikipedia content page
I am trying to edit the content page of a business Group and the page is identifying my edits as vandalizing...

I am responsible for External Comms within the Group and hence authorised to make these edits

Could you please advice on how I can proceed?

thanks

Cecilia Zevallos — Preceding unsigned comment added by CeciliaZevallos (talk • contribs) 2019-07-26T17:42:11 (UTC)


 * You are not authorised to make those edits. The first thing you need to do is to make the mandatory declaration of paid editing, then you need to read about conflict of interest. David Biddulph (talk) 17:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You can discuss proposed changes on the article's talk page. You will need to follow the guidance at WP:COI and the WP:PAID policy for paid editors.  RudolfRed (talk) 17:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't told us which article you are talking about, and it is not in your contribution history, so I guess you edited it when you weren't logged in. If you tell us which article, we can more easily see what is going on.
 * But in general terms, I'm afraid that you have a (very common) misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is. The page you were working on is not "the content page of a business group": it is Wikipedia's article about a business group. Anybody in the world may edit that article, as long as they do so in accordance with Wikipedia's policies; but you and your colleagues are strongly advised not to edit it directly, because of your conflict of interest.
 * So, what you need to do, is first to read WP:PAID and make the requisite declarations (this is compulsory); then follow the advice in the link above for editors with a conflict of interest, and make an edit request on the article's talk page, preferably with citations to reliable published sources independent of the group. Then an uninvolved editor will come along in time, and decide whether to apply your suggestions in part or in whole.
 * Without seeing the changes you made, I don't know why another editor characterised your changes as vandalism. Vandalism is editing intended to damage Wikipedia, and good faith editing should never be characterised as vandalism; but if, for example, you deleted material without giving an edit summary explaining why, somebody might have thought that was the action of a vandal. The lesson there is that in editing an article, you are not accountable to your management (their approval is completely irrelevant to Wikipedia) but to the Wikipedia community. --ColinFine (talk) 17:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Two Pages of the Same Person
Just wanted to notify that there are currently two pages of Barbara Beskind (the other one being Barbara Knickerbocker-Beskind)!PamDenise (talk) 17:37, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


 * - you're absolutely right, thank you! I'll put a merger into motion. Nosebagbear (talk) 17:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe I've handled the merger correctly. Nosebagbear (talk)
 * Thank you!PamDenise (talk) 18:09, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Moving article from Sandbox to Mainspace
How do you move an article from the sandbox to a mainspace? Do you need the help of an experienced Wikipedia editor or are there people that help with that exclusively? How do you choose who to help you? Lore E. Mariano (talk) 15:54, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yust a first link: H:MOVE. 85.199.71.120 (talk) 19:57, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Lore E. Mariano (talk) 20:21, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * A better approach might be to submit the draft article for review, . See Articles for creation for more information on that. The risk with moving it yourself is that it could be subject to deletion if other editors don't judge it to be up to standard. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:44, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

First time; incorrect information update request
Hello Teahouse!

I'm hoping you can help point me in the right direction.

I work for Hillrom and have been asked to look into requesting corrections to the existing company page following a company rebrand. Following the helpful instructions I've found in your community resources, I have created a user account, selected a username reflecting an individual(me) at the organization and have declared potential COI on my user page.

The most significant correction to make is a change of logo in the info panel. I understand that it's frowned upon for an employee to contribute company assets. The new logo can be verified at the URL currently listed on the company Wikipedia page (URL looks to have been updated already - thank you!). Here is a link to the asset if it will save a step: https://hillrom.com/build/svg/logo-hillrom.svg

Company page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill-Rom Additional page w/ same correction needed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill-Rom_Holdings

My question for the community is this: given the potential risk of COI, is it preferred by the community that I request these corrections here, on one of the company's talk pages, or both?

Appreciate it! Jack at Hillrom (talk) 18:55, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to follow the Conflict of Interest guidelines and for posting your employer on your user page. You should post your suggested edits to the article's talk page, along with Edit request and another editor will review it. RudolfRed (talk) 19:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * May need name change help, as company now appears to go by "Hillrom" rather than "Hill-Rom". David notMD (talk) 20:03, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded the new logo which you provided. In my opinion, it is not sufficiently simple to be copyright-free, so I've applied a "fair use" rationale.  Please let us know if the company wishes the resolution of the logo to be reduced.  Should we remove all hyphens and move the articles to "Hillrom"?    ... later ... I notice that the company has not yet fully updated its own website, so there's no hurry for Wikipedia.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  20:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Banks Mhlongo
Hello

Is the subject line notable (Banks Mhlongo) for an article to be created on Wikipedia? This a South African music artist in Durban (City). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.143.155.199 (talk) 18:42, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


 * You can make a detrinination of notability by reading the article Notability.--71.36.126.117 (talk) 19:03, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Typo clarification: For "detrinination of notability", read: "determination of notability". Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:14, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Would the TV series "Autopsy: The Last Hours of..." generally be considered a reliable source?
Would the TV series Autopsy: The Last Hours of... generally be considered a reliable source?

Maxikray (talk) 05:44, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, it has never been discussed at the reliable sources noticeboard, so I'd be a bit hesitant to say definitively, but my feeling is no. Infotainment is generally not a good source. John from Idegon (talk) 10:20, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Novels set in Pennsylvania Wikipedia page
Dear Wikipedia, Could you please update the "Novels Set in Pennsylvania." It was last updated in 2013. Thank you.

Dear Wikipedia, Could you please update the page, Novels Set in Pennsylvania. It was last updated in 2013. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:482:8001:e7bb:f1cd:27ea:ead:9038 (talk) 23:50, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In order to update the article, we need to know what to update it with. If you are aware of any missing information, feel free to add it to yourself, or if you are not comfortable doing so, you may ask on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 23:57, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you must be talking about Category:Novels set in Pennsylvania. A Category in Wikipedia is not an article: it is a conventient list of links to articles which say that they are in the category, so its contents changes not (mostly) when somebody edits it directly, but when somebody edits an article to say it is in the category (or occasionally to remove it from the category).
 * The point of explaining this is that the category lists only those books where somebody has written an article about them, not every book that might qualify. If you think there is a book that should be in the category, then first you (or somebody) needs to write the article about it. Writing your first article is a difficult task, which I wouldn't advise newcomers to try; you can request an article at Requested articles, though in all honesty, the uptake of requests is very slow. What you could do first, if you are interested, is to determine whether a book you are interested in is notable (in the way Wikipedia uses that word). If it is not, then no article about it will be accepted, whoever writes it, so I advise against spending any more time on it.
 * I wonder if perhaps you are an author, and think a book of yours should appear there? (Apologies if my suspicious mind has gone too far). If that is the case, please note that Wikipedia may not be used for promotion, however worthy the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

HI
Actually from last three days i'm trying to make my company page in Wikipedia. but after sometime it deleted cause of speedy deletion. so please suggest me that how can i aware with it. what is limitation to create a page on this portal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikasuniversal (talk • contribs)
 * What was the name of the article? See WP:NCORP for more information on which companies qualify for articles. Most likely reasons for deletion: (1) article written like an ad, (2) company is not sufficiently important / has not received sufficient press coverage, (3) article copied from company website. Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:44, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The query appears to be from User:Vikasuniversal, over the deletion of the page User:Vikasuniversal. OkayKenji (talk page) 06:10, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid that, like many many people, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a directory or promotional site. It does not contain "company pages" in the sense that most people would use that phrase: it contains articles about notable companies. If at some point we have an article about your company, it will not belong to you, you will have no control over the contents, you will be strongly discouraged from editing it directly (though you will be welcome to suggest edits to it), and its content should be almost entirely based on what people unconnected with the company have chosen to publish about the company, not on what the company says or wants to say. --ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Which path?
Weird question… I hope it makes sense.

Not too long ago, I contributed to an AfD which closed as 'no consensus'. A couple of things have subsequently come to light. First, one of the 'keep' !votes was recently blocked as a spammer.

Second, the creator of this page apparently works for the company run by the page subject, which as I understand it, is a WP:COI concern. The page in question accounts for all of the edits made by this user.

What would be the best approach to take with such an article? Thanks. ogenstein (talk) 09:51, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello ! AFAICT, the last point at WP:CLOSEAFD gives reasonable advice. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:55, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you. That helps. I will begin there. Regards, ogenstein (talk) 12:26, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello
Can someone please answer my previous question above. Thanks 86.182.213.38 (talk) 07:39, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Everyone here is a volunteer. I just answered it, but you cannot really have any expectation of a speedy answer.  There are no deadlines around here. John from Idegon (talk) 08:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well I'm not a volunteer. I get paid to do it. It's my job. 86.182.213.38 (talk) 08:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you're being paid to edit Wikipedia, then you need to disclose this properly. Please see WP:PAID. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:41, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't tell you. I'm not allowed, sorry. 86.182.213.38 (talk) 09:48, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi IP 86.182.213.38. Undeclared paid contributions are not allowed per meta:Terms of use, and accounts can be blocked for not complying. You might want to take a look at meta:Terms of use/FAQ on paid contributions without disclosure for reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:55, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , not that it will do much good as it is apparently dynamic, but can you please block our friend here? John from Idegon (talk) 09:57, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I have done so. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

It looks like a DFTT situation. John from Idegon (talk) 10:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I've restored the semi-protection on Air Tanzania, which seems to be the undeclared ip's target <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  13:33, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

How to change name of a page?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azoi

Azoi was a Medical gadget startup that eventually failed. 'Azoi' is no longer owned or used. This is unfortunate as their product was actually quite amazing. I would like to change the name of their page to that of their product, 'Wello' to make it easier for people to find. Is this possible? 13:10, 27 July 2019 (UTC)Jobordan (talk)
 * - the title of the article should be the subject of the article, which in this case is the company rather than their product, at least from the impression the lede gives currently. Such name changes can be implemented using a page move, but must be justifiable. Your rationale above would not suffice, in my opinion, as the subject of the article, in addition to the source of the notability and encyclopedic interest, is the firm, not their product. If, however, you think people are searching for Wello rather than Azoi, you can create a Redirect page that directs all traffic on Wello to the company's article. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 13:47, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Privacy
Is your personal sandbox private and if so how do you make it private? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamerkillerz (talk • contribs)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Edits to your sandbox appear in the Recent Changes feed and your own edit history. While your sandbox is not searchable by outside search engines, it is possible for others to see it if they are looking for it. If you want to work on something without others seeing it, you should do so on a word processing program and not on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 13:48, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Please be aware that your sandbox User:Gamerkillerz/sandbox is not a free web host. Theroadislong (talk) 14:33, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Authorship
Hello everyone, anyone. This is Jay 'Ackland'. That's really not my name, which is Jay Barksdale. I don't remember why I used an alias to edit the Valentine Ackland article, but wish I hadn't. In any case, I've no relation to her, but admire her as a poet, and person. I've only added to the bibliography and sections of 'fact' that don't need any referencing, though eventually I'd like to tackle the life and critical opinions. How, please, can I change my name to the real one, ie. Barksdale? many thanks Jay Ackland (talk) 15:10, 27 July 2019 (UTC) Jay


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! See WP:Changing username. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:05, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Can you protect my sandbox
Can you protect my sandbox from vandals please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamerkillerz (talk • contribs) 14:25, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Your can request page protection at Requests for page protection. LPS and MLP Fan  (LittlestPetShop) (MyLittlePony) 14:29, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * But as your sandbox has never been vandalized, they are unlikely to agree, We don't protect things "in case" they are vandalized - Arjayay (talk) 14:30, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, what you have entered in your Sandbox User:Gamerkillerz/sandbox is contrary to Wikipedia standard practice (apparently an autobiography), so expect it to be speedily deleted. David notMD (talk) 17:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Citation Overkill
Hello, I am an intern (paid) and I am supposed to work on editing for a non profit's page. To make sure that it stays as non-biased as possible, I am trying to include many outside/secondary sources. However, I am afraid that this has lead to 'citation overkill'. Here is an example of a paragraph I am working on (from my sandbox2):

"Donors include: the Arcadia Fund[7], Center for International Forestry Research[8], African Development Bank[9], David and Lucile Packard Foundation[10], European Commission[11], Flora Family Foundation[12], Ford Foundation, John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation[13], Oak Foundation[14], Pacific American Climate Fund[15], Rockefeller Brothers Fund[16], Skoll Global Threats Fund[17], Swedish International Development Agency[18], UK Department for International Development[19], UNESCO[20], USAID[21], United Nations Foundation[22], V. Kann Rasmussen Foundation[23], and the Wallace Alexander Gerbode Foundation[24], among others."

Instead of using the websites listing of donors, I found the records of the donation from each donor, if that makes sense. But you can see how this has impacted readability. I am aware there are a few different ways to remedy this. Can someone explain to me the best way? I read the article on citation bundling but didn't quite understand how to go about doing it. Thank you! Theintern007 (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Thank you for disclosing your status, as required. However, your recommended course of action is not to edit the article, but to make edit requests on its talk page. In response to your question, in my view, unless a completely independent source has discussed the donors, then they should not be even mentioned in the article. But again, that will be a matter for whoever reviews your edit request. --ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * MY opinion - do not list donors, with or without citations that confirm the donations. It's akin to a musician naming everyone they were ever on stage with. David notMD (talk) 20:23, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

How to do after the closure of deletion review is allow recreation
The article Thonburi University F.C. has deleted because Articles for deletion/Ayodhya City F.C.. But now the review Deletion review/Log/2019 July 19 is allow recreation. Can I create this article now? This is it's draft Draft:Thonburi University F.C.. Gunkiet (talk) 15:55, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes you can. However, since that draft was an AFC submission, I suggest to resubmit it even when you would technically be able to move it yourself. 2001:16B8:5099:9400:5455:4DAC:A8C5:582 (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This article was deleted several times, and a recent review declined it for not notable. I suggest you continue to work on the draft to show that the subject is notable, or perhaps work on something else for awhile.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:45, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The deletion review hasn't actually ended yet. You should wait until it has been closed before doing anything else, I think. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:10, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

RE: How do you add Protection
Dear Neil Good evening my friend and I hope you are doing well.

I just wanted to ask a quick question to you and if I wanted to get my Wikipedia profile semi-protected, how would I actually do that?

Many Thanks and stay blessed always and forever.

Kind Regards Gursharan Singh Uppal (Gursh)
 * Wikipedia does not have "profiles", it has articles. Those articles may be edited by anyone and are not protected simply because the subject wants it to be or to lock it to the text the subject might prefer. If the article is subject to active vandalism, it may be protected. Please read WP:OWN. 331dot (talk) 16:34, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I would also add that your sandbox draft is not an active article, and would not be accepted as one. If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media. 331dot (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: Sandbox: User:GS.Uppal350/sandbox that's what is there now. David notMD (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * GS blanked the Sandbox. David notMD (talk) 22:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Edit on this town
So, would my recent edits on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bure%C3%A5 fit the wikipedia rules? Polar Vader (talk) 13:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The problem is the YouTube is not regarded as a WP:Reliable source. Can you find a local newspaper report to back up your addition?   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  14:01, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Sadly I could not. (edits reverted) :/ Polar Vader (talk) 23:06, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Fellow editors
Is using flightaware a reliable source. 86.182.213.38 (talk) 18:05, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * The source for what information? Ruslik_ Zero 19:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC).
 * I've already done it but I was thinking is it reliable anough. It's on Air Tanzania. 86.182.213.38 (talk) 19:42, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That would be determined by the other editors on that article. Other than "read WP:RS", there's no real sound advice we can give you here.  With a few exceptions for really bad sources, the question of reliability rests on consensus. John from Idegon (talk) 08:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. 86.182.213.38 (talk) 08:36, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * You might ask at Reliable sources/Noticeboard. I tried a search of the archives and found no results. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC)