Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 May 5



May 5, 2006

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete Circeus 00:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Freguesias of Portugal TOC
This template was used as a TOC for a long list of about 4000 parishes in Portugal, the former name of the list was "List of Freguesias of Portugal". After I moved the page, I created a new template Template:Parishes of Portugal TOC to keep the coherence of the names, instead of just editing this one. Therefore, it is now unused. Afonso Silva 22:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete since its creator would like it. -- Grafikm_fr   (AutoGRAF)  11:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result of the debate was keep Circeus 18:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:User french spacing:no, Template:User french spacing
First, it's divisive. Second, it's senseless (HTML renders two spaces and one identically). Third, it's mis-spelled (no capital on French). Fourth, the Chicago Manual of Style appears to have nothing to say on the matter Just zis Guy you know? 21:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. If it was reworded to be consistent with Template:User singular they:No, and Template:User french spacing:yes was created, would that solve the problem? — Cuivi é  nen  , Friday, 5 May 2006 @ 22:56 UTC 
 * Not really. It would partially solve part of the problem, while creating another, but the technical irrelevance and the fact that, in the end, it has nothing whatsoever to do with building an encyclopaedia, would remain. Just zis Guy you know? 12:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom --Doc ask?  23:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I disagree with most of the grammar userboxes, however not userboxes in general, this one is one that I ain't like. --NigelJ talk 05:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep If we're going to keep, why would we get rid of just its negation? Has any evidence of this userbox's divisiveness materialised? Have we seen countless revert wars or bannings due to a french spacing argument? It seems to do very little harm; keep it. Oh, and if the capitalisation is wrong ... change it! -- Lloegr - Cymru £ ¥ 14:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Answer: we should not keep either. They are irrelevant on a project rendered in HTML. Just zis Guy you know? 22:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep - 1) The subject and usage of the template isn't very divisive. The text should be renamed to be more neutral, per User:Cuivienen. 2) HTML rendering and the wiki currently not distinguishing between them does not matter - it's still an opinion.  3) Mis-capitalisation should mean a rename, and shouldn't affect the outcome.  4) Since the Chicago Manual of Style has nothing to say and the MoS doesn't care, we can't proclaim a 'right' answer. This suggests that people should make up their own minds. SeventyThree(Talk) 03:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mackensen (talk) 12:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -- [[User:Korean alpha for knowledge|Korean alpha for knowledge ]] (Talk / Contributions) 14:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep
 * It is as divisive as.
 * It is not senseless, although HTML renders it identically, the edit mode doesn't, and, personally, I find double spacing annoying.
 * Are we going to delete all the content in wikipedia that contains mis-spells and typos?
 * The MOS says we may use both, however, users may have different opinions and preferences.
 * I'm not supporting userboxes, I'm just stating that this is not a valid reason to delete one. Afonso Silva 22:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. Inoffensive, user-space template that maybe useful. --Oldak Quill 05:19, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Added the counter-infobox Template:User french spacing per above comments. Question: what does a typographical convention which is (a) open to dispute, (b) not settled by the leading source and (c) irrelevant in text rendered in HTML anyway, have to do with building an encyclopaedia? Just zis Guy you know? 22:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * To be honest, one might ask the same question about the individualised ways we add colour and bits and bobs to our signatures. Really, does my use of green, red, and currency cymbols add anything to an encyclopaedia? Well, actually, yes ... in a sense. It helps highlight the diversity of the membership. But in any case, this can't be really all that divisive. Surely we ought to be going after the really divisive userbox templates, you know ... religion, politics, and whether one has had his weetabix or not. I mean, honestly, just how many revert wars have been fought over french spacing? -- Lloegr - Cymru £ ¥ 00:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. It's inoffensive. People have different opinions. -- O r  e  o  s Talk Contribs 23:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. there's no reason for these to be up for deletion. the only way this should be deleted is if you people manage to get a solid majority because the point of wikipedia isn't "if i disagree, i'll delete it!" that's not what we're going for. this is what makes wikipedia work, that you can have people with differing opinions who can blend together to create a diverse NPOV. viva la userboxen! -- preschooler @  heart   my talk  -  contribs  17:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. I love this UserBox, there's no reason why anyone would want to delete this! -- H  A  Y  SON1991  23:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, see Userboxes/Grammar for more if you want to delete this one. Circeus 00:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Not divisive, not senseless, you can fix the spelling, and the MoS is not relevant. No reason to delete.  --Dschor 01:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep This is merely wikipedians expressing their dislike/like of French spacing... there's nothing wrong with that I think. Typhoonchaser 16:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I'd use this userbox, but I'm not adding it until this is officially kept. There really is no difference when it is rendered (I'm fairly certain, but this is OR) but it's fairly annoying anyway. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 17:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result of the debate was delete Circeus 18:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Irish University
Have been superseeded by. → A z a  Toth 19:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete there is no reason to maintain so many different templates when covers nearly every single eventuality. Davidkinnen 12:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose This nomination is WP:POINT because the nominator used the depreciation template on it without discussion and then decided to nominate it as someone reverted the depreciation, as the edit summary for the nomination says "to be noncabal then, I nominate this for tfd.". Djegan 19:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you missunderstand a little. There have been an ongoing deprecation of country specific template the last couple of months, some have gone through tfd, and some have just been deprecated. Ususaly no one complain when deprecation is occuring, but in this place some is afraid of a cabal, so I try to show that's not the case. It's not WP:POINT here, just that this template was in line for deprecation (taking one template at a time). → A z a  Toth 19:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment no discussion held prior to nomination for this template about how wikipedia might go about the transfer of one template to another. Just nomination because someone cannot get their way. Simple. Djegan 19:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete, deprecated. —Locke Cole • t • c 20:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I see little reason to have country specific templates for universities. (seem to be plenty of discussion on Template_talk:Infobox_University, so no objection from me on that.) So long as those depreciating this infobox have a process of transferring the info without loss to the generic infobox, I'm happy. MartinRe 20:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete As the one of the individuals who have been busy transferring items to the standardized infobox, I agree in principle with the nomination., but I disagree with the way that it was done. We don't need to step on people toes to get a nomination done even if we are doing something better overall. This template was depricated twice by two different individuals, myself and Aza prior to this nomination.  Rather following the discussion to the suggested replacement within depricated tag, Boothy chose to remove the depricated tag twice. He did leave a message on my page to discuss the item but did as now complain that some process had been bypassed rather than the content of the issue. The Irish template has been superceeded by main template.  It is unreasonable to expect that every template editor be informed about deprication when an in depth discussion has already occured.  -- Reflex Reaction  ( talk )• 21:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC) Updated 19:53, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Relevant TFDs -- Reflex Reaction  ( talk )• 21:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_25 and
 * Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_March_28
 * Comment, it should be noted that the templae in question was never marked as a tfd, nor was their never any notification give outside of the tfd log either, so editors that would have had an intrest in making a responce to ths tfd were never abble to make a responce to this invalad tfd, editors should disregard the former tfd as nothing but a back door way of deleting a template, and a violation of WP:POINT=. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boothy443 (talk • contribs) 2006-05-06 03:51:16 (damm i keep on forgetting to sig things
 * Er, it was tagged with tfd before it was nominated here. What are you on about? —Locke Cole • t • c 04:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * True, yet that tagging reflects the current ongoing discussion, their were no tags applied for the cited discussion above, so how can one say that the outcome of those discussion, which were about other templates and not this one, had any impact or decision on the status of this template, they cant. It might provide background information, but it should not provide any basis in the change of status, "deprecation", or deletion of this template. If they wanted it to be included in those discussions then they should have tagged the template at the time of those discussions, and added it to the discussion, instead they are applying a "blanket policy" based upon the tfds on two other similar templates, and the discussion on the talk page of anther with no relation to the template in question until now. This is no different then a similar blanket policy issue that i have recently delt with, in which users were applying the discussion/decision of a cfd to merging articles w/o discussion. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 06:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom MiraLuka 21:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose, strong, how anyone can say that the template is deprecated amazes me, the discussion was made on the take page of of another template by editors who only purpose seems to be to replace the other templates with their preferred one, the discussion is basically and should be consider informal and non binding, in that no one involved with this other template made an attempt to contact any editors involve with this template, their was never a notice posted on the talk page on the temple to say that the status of the template was being discussed, even a regional noticeboard, in regards to Irish issues, could have been contacted to make aware that their was a discussion, non of which is done, so no one involved in this template was ever involved in the discussion or in the creation of the new template. Basic lay this is a back door process to delete templates with out having to go threw a process, for a place that stresses it's non-cabal the sure is cabal like. To support this tfd based upon the idea that the template is deprecated is support for non-process, non- collaboration, and anti-wiki procedures, you are basically saying that you support merging of article w/o discussion, the deletion of categories w/o discussion, the deletion of articles w/o discussion, ect ect, that you do not believe in the idea of consensus or consensus building, i could go on. As i see it if this tfd moves forward then i am going to use the precedent that will be set by this and depreciate the use of the offending replacement template on all Irish university articles. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 03:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I support process, and this tfd is basically saying "this specific template can be covered with a more general one, what do you think?", which is perfectly within process to me. Yes, it would have been better to notify those involved with the other template, and this oversight has been acknowledged, but it was accidential and not an attempt to bypass anyone. This tfd is a discussion, so I do not see where you get the w/o discussion issue. (the talk on infobox unitversity could be seen as a discussion about a future discussion, which is somewhat ironic to my irish humour :) Apart from the slighty untidy background, do you have any objection based on the actual difference between the two templates? Regards, MartinRe 09:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No i disagree, this tfd has nothing to do with that argument, thats was not stated in the reasoning for deletion, the reson for deletion is that their version of the box is superseeded the one that is being used, which is rubbish. I dont see how you can sway that it is superseeded if you did not comment as such on infoboxes that are aternatives to the one being proposed. this is a nomination based upon a non process decsion. And to say it was an accident is just as rubbish, that is basiclay saything that they had no idea that the infobox was ever their, ehich is not the sace thay have had since 27 January when they first tagged the template to seek comment on it, yet ever time they just tagged the template and never explaind why it ws the case that thei template is being deprecheated other then the it was, so bascialy a decison has been made since the end of january if not before to seek to delete this template, without commnet from editors of the alternative. Basiclay so a precendent is now being set that any one user or any group can basicaly decide the status of any other template/article/category w/o comment from editors concerned from the other one, so i guss then next time i want to merge something i am just going to do it w/o seeking comment becuas i dont need to, so basiclay throw any idea that we try to colbaerate on anything, which they could have saught to do, and they didn't, not that they didnt have plenty of chances to seek comment, or trying to build a real consensus ehich they did not, by basicaly excluding editors of alternatives in foavroe of a general. And no i don't like the alternative, i dont belive that one use general templates are a good idea, and of the ones i have seen i think while the concept is good one the excution is noting less then poor, i see no reason why the current temple needs to be replaced. As for the exact points in why i dont like it, whell i have no reason to say them, as it has been show that the editors of this other templte do not seem to be intrested in the comments of those intresed in templated opposed to thsier, not by what they have said but by their actions and the way they have conduted this farce. So if this template does get deleted then i am going to creat another alternative, not see any comment form editors of other templates and deprechate the new general box, sicne now that seems to be the correct way to do it. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 21:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you stop the arm waving long enough to state why you think the template shouldn't be deprecated/deleted? Does this template being nominated for deletion offer something the template that's being used to replace it doesn't? If not, why have two templates? If so, what's in this template that's not in the other, and why is it important enough to justify a seperate template? —Locke Cole • t • c 22:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Redirect  to template:Infobox University. &mdash; Instantnood 22:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete it has no purpose only to make wikipedia less uniform. Fabhcún 11:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, the Infobox University is superior. Stifle (talk) 16:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete as a repost. — xaosflux  Talk  14:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:NUMBEROFARTICLES
Delete. Essentially unused template which just gives the current events template and the hard-coded number 100 059. Has no use. Mithent 01:07, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete, this template can not be used because there is already a builtin variable with it's name. → A z a  Toth 20:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically, you could invoke it with, but it still wouldn't be useful. :) — TKD::Talk 05:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unused. -- Dom  th  e  dude  0  0  1  20:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Performs no useful function. --CBDunkerson 20:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete since it appears to have no apparently useful function. -- Grafikm_fr   (AutoGRAF)  21:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - can easily be designed on user pages with Wiki markup; not useful. --Marysunshine 03:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Misleading, "overlaps" with the real NUMBEROFARTICLES, and not useful. — TKD::Talk 05:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


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The result of the debate was delete Circeus 18:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Lostflashback
Transferring from WP:AFD where this template was improperly nominated. Comments from AFD are below. No vote from me. Stifle (talk) 00:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Information is duplicative of info on Characters of Lost. No need to proliferate articles just to have more. PKtm 21:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete This will never be used on more than one page, so having a template is completely useless. Jtrost (T | C | #) 11:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I'd actually prefer it speedy deleted, but it's not quite that bad. In any case, there is no such word as "Lostflashback," so I hope this cruft goes away quickly. Danflave 17:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, my mistake - I thought someone actually created an *article* entitled "Lostflashback"! In any case, delete it.  It's duplicate information. Danflave 17:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete and for once in my life ...per Jtrost. ArgentiumOutlaw 23:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete No need for it to be a template, just subst'd it and delete it. Hbdragon88 04:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Hbdragon88.--Ton e  19:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete along with all other lostcruft. Just zis Guy you know? 21:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete how is this even a template? It's just a list. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 17:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


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