Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 November 8



Template:South African first-class cricket clubs in 1971-72

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The result of the debate was Delete --Jac16888 (talk) 18:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Delete. Redundant template in which all articles have been deleted apart from one which is a redirect. ---BlackJack | talk page 18:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Full of red links, serves no purpose. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
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Template:The X's

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The result of the debate was Delete --Jac16888 (talk) 18:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Redundant navbox, each article linked redirects to the parent article. treelo radda  16:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete—This template can't facilitate navigation between articles if there is only one article.  Pagra shtak  19:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * X it out Pointless, everything else was redirected. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 19:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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Template:Future airport expansion

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The result of the debate was deletion. RyanGerbil10 (Unretiring slowly...!) 20:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

First of all, the usual applies: No, information will most likely not change "dramatically", there's no need whatsoever to warn our readers about that. Information will change rather slowly and according to expectations, unless something truly unexpected happens. And I dearly hope no one wants to warn our readers of the unexpected. :) Secondly, do we really need a template for everything? What's the point of a big template telling the reader about a future airport expansion in a section that is usually called "Airport expansion" or "Future airport expansion"? The template adds nothing to the section, and doesn't tell the reader anything that he doesn't already know. --Conti|✉ 14:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Another example of temporal template proliferation copying the functionality of future. Superfluous. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 03:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Use future instead. -- S y e d  05:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Conti said it all. --Kildor (talk) 18:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per Conti, Syed. --R27182818 (talk) 21:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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Template:Road under construction

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The result of the debate was delete --WoohookittyWoohoo! 12:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Unused, not useful. --Conti|✉ 14:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Yet another temporal template that copies the functionality of future. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 03:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete concur. --emerson7 17:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


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Template:Current sport-related2

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The result of the debate was delete --WoohookittyWoohoo! 12:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Unused, a bigger version of Template:Current sport-related, it seems. --Conti|✉ 14:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, redundant to Current sport-related. Terraxos (talk) 18:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Functionally a copy of current sport-related. Differences between the two are insubstantial. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 03:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as a redundant version of the aformetioned templates. &mdash; Mizu onna sango15 Hello!  19:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


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Template:Current game

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The result of the debate was delete --WoohookittyWoohoo! 12:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Unused. What is a "current event in video gaming", anyhow? --Conti|✉ 14:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete—If you know what a current event is and what video gaming is, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out. For example, Hot Coffee minigame controversy was a current event in video gaming back in 2005. E3 and Penny Arcade Expo are current events every year. I suspect that as infrequently as this template is used, it could be replaced by, or just Current.  Pagra  shtak  15:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Superfluous, and functionally a copy of current. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yellowdesk (talk • contribs) 04:12, 10 November 2008


 * Keep, the World Cyber Games 2008 for one. Not all current event templates will be in use at all times. --Pixelface (talk) 05:34, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Funnily enough, World Cyber Games 2008 uses Template:Current sport right now. --Conti|✉ 13:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The lede and text of the article is better able to indicate the recent and ongoing nature of the activity. The article still is hardly edited, and the template was unwarranted in this instance. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 08:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


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Template:Building redevelopment

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The result of the debate was delete --WoohookittyWoohoo! 12:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The template is rather misleading and not very useful. Very rarely, if ever, does information on a building that is being redeveloped change "dramatically" or "frequently". On the contrary, information changes slowly and in a quite undramatic way. And if we take that away the template says "This article or section contains information about an existing building due to be redeveloped.", which should be obvious by the lead of the article, anyhow. --Conti|✉ 14:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - vague and unnecessary. Terraxos (talk) 18:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Another example of temporal template proliferation. The lede of the article, and the article text and citations are better able to describe the nature of the activity. Functionally a copy of future. Superfluous. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 03:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


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Template: Discrimination Bihar

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The result of the debate was delete --WoohookittyWoohoo! 12:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

No established connection between the topics and the template (WP:OR). BTW what is Fright equalization policy?KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 08:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with KHP2. Narrow topic and mostly covered in Discrimination faced by the Bihari community in India.  Docku: “what up?”  12:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

The template aims to group together all the topics related to discrimination against Biharis(economic discrimination, violence, xenophobia, racial discrimination, prejudice etc). Manoj nav (talk) 11:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Freight equalization policy is related to economic discrimination against Bihar. It was adopted in 1948 by the government of India to facilitate the equal growth of industry all over the country. The worst sufferer of this policy was the undivided Bihar (now Jharkhand hewed out from it) and to some extent Orissa and Madhya Pradesh (now Chhatisgarh carved out from it). Industrialists interested in setting up plants anywhere in the country––Maharashtra, Gujarat, Delhi etc––would get coal, iron ore, aluminium etc at the same price as they used to get in Bihar (now Jharkhand), Chhatisgarh or Orissa. A factory can be set up anywhere in the country and the transportation of minerals would be subsidised by the central government. This resulted in the growth of heavy and middle level industry in the post-independence years outside the mineral-rich regions of the country. The coastal states of Maharashtra and Gujarat were the greatest beneficiaries and so where Delhi and its surrounding districts. Bihar’s huge competitive advantage of holding the minerals got destroyed as now factories were set up everywhere else but in this state. This was not the case in the pre-independence era when Tatas and Dalmias etc had to come and set up industries in Bihar. The freight equalisation policy continued to destroy states like Bihar for about half a century.


 * Comment The Freight equalisation policy has too many problems. First, the article is non-existent and second, it is not descrimination in any sense. Freight equalization policy is related to economic discrimination against Bihar. It was adopted in 1948 by the government of India to facilitate the equal growth of industry all over the country.
 * What makes this policy descriminating???? Economic policies dont bring equal advantages to all region and states in any country. That is just how they are.
 * I am yet to see what is descrimination in Permanent Settlement.  Docku: “what up?” 23:32, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply Freight equalization and Permanent Settlement were discriminatory. Manoj nav (talk) 06:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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 * Keep: the main dicrimination entry, the 2008 attacks on north Indians, and now, Railway exam attacks can be placed in to one group. I see its as a grouping and user friendliness issue. (Not-Ashamed (talk) 20:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC))


 * Delete Agree with KHP and Docku. There are simply not enough articles and the topic is not distinct enough to warrant a template. Gizza Discuss  &#169; 06:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as of now. Looks like an overkill. The conections between the other articles to the main is vague and just acts as a background and doesn't need a template for now. The authors can concentrate on creating valid entries on the so called discrimination and then try a template. But as of the current template, its just an overkill. Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 09:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment-Following articles listed in the template contains information about discrimination against Bihar and Biharis.
 * 1) Discrimination against the Bihari community
 * 2) 2008 attacks on North Indians in Maharashtra
 * 3) Fright equalization policy
 * 4) Permanent Settlement

We plan to add more articles or article-sections in the template in time to come. As of now the articles have not been categorized and there is nothing called main article. Manoj nav (talk) 06:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


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 * Note: I have posted a message in Wikiproject India talk page. <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 13:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete : Agree with Wiki San Roze. Limited scope for the template -- <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu  <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian  - 13:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Delete it do we want to show our internal disputes to whole world? Wikipedia is not place for that.
 * Delete :Agree with KHP2 - no real connection. Permanent settlement was in past 1700s. Nothing to do with violence presently happening. Also, template has hardly any links to offer. -- GP Pande  talk!  15:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Not useful at all. Suffers from recentism. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  16:04, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete-- Useless thing spreading hatread-- Suyogaerospace talk to me! 16:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete: A bunch of disgruntled Biharis have turned Wikipedia into a soapbox to air their views about "discrimination" racism etc that they supposedly face. This template is a cheap attempt to grant an "officious" look and feel to their soapboxing. --Deepak D'Souza 12:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: What is this template accomplishing that a similar category will not. I take strong objection to the asertion that this is somehow soap boxing. Biharis are killed just because they are Biharis in Assam, Maharsahtra, Nagaland and other places. They face state sponsored discrimnation in Bangladesh as a community. This is a valid subject but my question, can we do it with a category instead of a template ?Taprobanus (talk) 20:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In that case, you will observe that Assamese and people of the North-east have often complained of discrimination in other parts of India; people from Jammu and Kashmir have often complained of discrimination when they travel to other parts of India; South Indians are often ridiculed for their dark complexion when they move to North India; there occur frequent Tamil-Kannadiga and Kannadiga-Marathi tussles in which, sometimes, migrants are targetted; in fact, if we make a detailed observation we will find that there exists regional chauvinism and prejudices almost in every state in India. This is not a reason valid enough for an article. We can group these issues together and created an article on Regionalism in India but I strongly feel that both the articles and the template fails notability and NPOV. Wikipedia is not a place to lament or publicize something. - Ravichandar <sub style="color:aqua; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My coffee shop 12:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As this discussion is about a template not an article, I would say yes if we hav enough RS sources that treat the subject of X discrimination as a Notable subject then we can always create an encylopedic article about it. The question here is what is this template achiving that a category will not ? Taprobanus (talk) 14:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the article is made up of "Discrimination against Biharis by Marathis". A few insignificant comments and incidents by non-Marathis are reproduced and their interpretations border on OR. Else, should the name of the article be renamed as "Discrimination against Biharis  by Marathis"- Ravichandar <sub style="color:aqua; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My coffee shop  03:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete:Violates NPOV. Besides, regional prejudices exist everywhere in the world. This appears to be an attempt to blow things out of proportion- Ravichandar <sub style="color:aqua; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My coffee shop 11:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * NPOV is never ever used as a criteria to delete anything in Wikipedia let alone a template. The reson has to be better such as this template is not needed because a category can do the same etc. Taprobanus (talk) 14:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if POV mandates the deletion of this template but expression of POV is prohibited in templates as per Templates for deletion. At the same time, I doubt whether the template could be replaced with a category in this state and if at all a cat is created there would be just two articles in it. - Ravichandar <sub style="color:aqua; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My coffee shop 03:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


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Template:Ordovician Footer, Template:Carboniferous Footer, Template:Permian Footer, Template:Cambrian Footer
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The result of the debate was deletion of all. RyanGerbil10 (Unretiring slowly...!) 19:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)



No longer used; subperiods merged into main article as per WP:... so redundant.Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  20:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment That's only true with respect to the last two templates. Between the first two, there are three subperiods still separate from the main article - Hirnantian, Pennsylvanian, and Mississippian.  --Philosopher Let us reason together. 11:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

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 * Keep Carboniferous Footer, delete the rest; it's the only one where more than one link points to a different article. (Alternatively, delete them all for consistency, but that one at least does seem to have some value.) Terraxos (talk) 18:09, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
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Template:Information needed
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The result of the debate was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 18:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)



The template is misleading. Policy does not require the use of Information or Non-free use rationale templates. They're handy ways of organizing things and making sure you've got all the information needed, but you can also provide the information in any other way you want. --Carnildo (talk) 00:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * For a good amount of images though, when there is no Information box their is also no Fair Use or a summary of the image. For example; Image:Sanford-Logo.png does not contain Fair-Use rationale, nor does it contain the source of the image. According to Di-no source constitutes deletion of the image after 7 days. I think that the Template may require editing to not portray this misleading statement but it should not be deleted. <span style="font-family: Script,Serif;">Spitfire <span style="font-family: Garamond,Serif;">19 01:03, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Not having a source and not having a fair-use rationale are problems with the image. Not having an Information template and not having a Non-free use rationale template are not problems. --Carnildo (talk) 01:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have revamped the template to try and accommodate for what you feel it should present to the uploader. Hopefully it's too your liking.<span style="font-family: Script,Serif;">Spitfire <span style="font-family: Garamond,Serif;">19 02:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems to be redundant with Di-no source and Di-no rationale now. --Carnildo (talk) 03:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I still defend the use of the Information needed template because it can be used to embed image violation templates into it and it also has helpful Navboxes with good links and the Information and Non-free use rationale code it.


 * Embedded templates? Please no.  They're hard to read and they're even harder for bots to handle. --Carnildo (talk) 04:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll consider it. Hey, I've got to go to bed right now so I'll get back to you around 2008-10-25 18:00 UTC<span style="font-family: Script,Serif;">Spitfire <span style="font-family: Garamond,Serif;">19 14:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have a question, have you gone through and read all the documentation of the template recently? There's been some changes.<span style="font-family: Script,Serif;">Spitfire <span style="font-family: Garamond,Serif;">19 14:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Still doesn't look too useful. --Carnildo (talk) 00:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe to you it doesn't. But I find it as a preferable way of alerting users to image problems while easily providing resources in which to solve the current issue.


 * Delete—Di-no source and Di-no rationale are better ways of tagging images with these problems. We don't need to create a second method for handling this. The two-collapsible boxes within the collapsible box approach is ungainly.

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 * Delete per unsigned comment above this. An information box is not required, and we already have adequate templates that can be used to complain about the things that are required. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete—it seems that we have better ways of tagging image problems, so I don't really see a pressing need for this template.  Pagra shtak  14:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak delete due to its redundancy.. however, its user-friendliness is exceptional, and it woud be a shame to lose that. Perhaps we can incorporate the template assistance into Di-no source and Di-no rationale... If I were a new user, and I noticed that an image I'd uploaded was tagged with the latter two templates, I would have no read idea where to go or how to fix it.  bahamut0013 ♠  ♣   19:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * IIf you want to change those templates, I wish you luck. I tried replacing the wording at Di-no license with a more reader-friendly version, and got reverted four times. --Carnildo (talk) 02:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
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