Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 July 31



Template:M.I.U. Album

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:51, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Most of the links just redirect to the article for the album. No real usefulness. Brettalan (talk) 19:09, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Theatricalia name

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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 20:31, 12 August 2011 (UTC)



Theatricalia is an online database of Theatre performances that is currently in beta. It has little to no editorial oversight and can in no way be considered a reliable source. Among other issues of verifiability within articles, the presence of this template could encourage the creation of articles on non-notable subjects.This is currently seen with the IMDB template, which is often used as a sole reference in many articles. Steamroller Assault (talk) 05:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a completely misguided nomination, apparelty adressing only Theatricalia's relaibility as a reliable source as a reference. The template is not intended - nor used - for such purposes, but instead is intended to sit in external links sections, for which Theatricalia is emminently suitalbe, containing useful lists of stage productions, which would be of interest to our readers, but not suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia in full. Consider, for example, its current use on David Tennant, linking to a list of his stage performances on Theatricalia. The claim about Theatricalia's editorial oversight is also bogus. The template shoud only be used in articles about people (actors, directors & playwrights) who are otherwise already notable; and where a suitable page is already populated on Theatricalia. I will add to the template's documentation acordingly. Procedures already exist for dealing with aticles about non-notable subjects, we shouldn't throw this baby out with that bath-water. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * While an accurate database of theatrical performances would be great, Theatricalia does not yet measure up. It is a website that is not fully launched (i.e. it is beta testing). I appreciate that your documentation may soon address that the template should only be used for instances where a suitable page exists on Theatricalia. In reality, however, there is no way to judge what a suitable page is on a website that has crowd-based submissions with no fact-checking. IMDB checks credits with producers, and Wikipedia makes use of WP:V. Neither goes on at the beta version of Theatricalia. As an external link, it cannot be counted on to be accurate or reliable and thus fails WP:EL. Steamroller Assault (talk) 11:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's no longer in beta. If you have any evidence of the alleged inaccuracy, please provide it. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:32, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Andy, I'm sure you're aware that WP:EL places the burden on those adding links, and at this time it is not even established that we should be linking to Theatricalia in the first place (never mind having a template which eases its addition). IMDB-style sites should be added cautiously and only after there are significant calls for such; that Theatricalia does not even have an article here yet suggests that it is not a notable enough site at this time for us to consider it important enough to add to articles, especially if the primary recipients of said links are BLPs. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 09:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * An allegation has been made; I'm asking for it to be substantiated. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 09:44, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The burden is not on Steamroller Assault to prove that the site is inaccurate: it is on those advocating for it to prove that it isn't (amongst other things, including that its content is accessible and uniquely useful beyond that which could be added here directly). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 13:24, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork (talk) 19:01, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * delete, the use appears to be quite limited. A discussion should be started at WT:EL, and if there is acceptance to wide spread use of this site as an EL, then we can template it.  Creating a template first is a bit of the cart before the horse imo. Frietjes (talk) 22:07, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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Template:I Set My Friends on Fire

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Textbook WP:NENAN. Only two albums. EP was redirected. None of the singles are notable, and the tours shouldn't even be in the article. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:03, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Non-free commercial logo/doc

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete - uncontroversial housekeeping. PhilKnight (talk) 14:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Documentation subpage for a redirected template. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:40, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Non-free audio rationale

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The result of the discussion was merge. JPG-GR (talk) 20:29, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Non-free audio rationale
 * Non-free use rationale audio sample

Propose merging Template:Non-free audio rationale with Template:Non-free use rationale audio sample.

Merge is suggested as the latter template has greater compatibility with album/single article infobox structures, and thusly the appropriate rationales would in future be easier to generate, evaluate Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Video rationale

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The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Redundant to Non-free use rationale video cover Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - for non-free image use templates there are 2 styles - those which are substituted and those which aren't. I prefer the substituted style, because after substituting the wording can be adjusted without having to understand the intricacies of a complex template. PhilKnight (talk) 13:40, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This template was already at TfD a couple of months ago under its old name DVD rationale. But also, it can handle the creation of multiple fair use rationales for multiple articles more easily as well as automatically apply the correct licensing template. Something that Non-free use rationale video cover does not do. In fact, I've personally used this template since redesigning it to create FURs for both DVD and Blu-ray covers. —Farix (t &#124; c) 00:29, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Ed, Edd n Eddy season 1 episode list header

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:46, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Unused template. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  09:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Um, I count at least 7 articles that use theme, most wikiproject related. <b style="font-family:sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;"> chris †  ian rocker 90 </b> 07:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, this was used once upon a time, but now they all redirect to List of Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes, so no need for it. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 18:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Ed, Edd n Eddy season episode list
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:45, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Unused template. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  09:27, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Um, I count at least 7 articles that use theme, most wikiproject related. <b style="font-family:sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;"> chris †  ian rocker 90 </b> 07:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, this was used once upon a time, but now they all redirect to List of Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes, so no need for it. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 18:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Ed, Edd n Eddy season 1 episode list
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Unused template. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  09:27, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Um, I count at least 7 articles that use theme, most wikiproject related. <b style="font-family:sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;"> chris †  ian rocker 90 </b> 07:56, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, this was used once upon a time, but now they all redirect to List of Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes, so no need for it. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 18:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Avaya
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The result of the discussion was Keep. Edited to remove excess redlinks. --RL0919 (talk) 07:00, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Spam. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Same as thousands of others. Just a quick check shows many other examples.
 * Cisco Products
 * Apple Products
 * Microsoft Products
 * IBM Products
 * Nokia Products   Geek2003 (talk) 13:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * None of these liks are templates and also the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument is not valid here. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 00:53, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep known internationally, WP:NOTABLE product list, effective template for research. 38.127.152.10 (talk) 14:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep but remove individual product entries, non-notable items, and definitely all the red links! See Articles for deletion/Avaya ERS 5500. It is far too spammy now. W Nowicki (talk) 17:43, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep remove all red links. LES 953 (talk) 22:57, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I have removed the red links. Geek2003 (talk) 15:04, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It has a lot of entries that are not links. That is of no use in a template since a template is for navigating WP. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not the links being red which was the problem, but the lack of noteworthy articles behind the links. Navboxes are for moving between noteworthy articles, not for giving product lists. This should be trimmed to about 20% of its current size and anything which doesn't have a noteworthy article behind it removed entirely rather than just de-linked. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 11:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the explanation. I have removed all the entries that do not have articles from the list.  Geek2003 (talk) 21:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Super Eurobeat
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

hardly navigates anything —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Also, contents not likely to become articles. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:08, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:War album
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

navigates too few articles —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:08, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:06, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Original Soundtracks 1
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Navigates too few articles. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:October (album)
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Links too few articles. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:05, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Yet another case of over-templating. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:09, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Ghosts I–IV
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:31, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

redundant to Nine Inch Nails —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete wp:content fork, cf: other Nine Inch Nails album templatesCurb Chain (talk) 12:05, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:The Slip (album)
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:32, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

redundant to Nine Inch Nails —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete wp:content fork, cf: other Nine Inch Nails album templatesCurb Chain (talk) 12:05, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Welcome Mic
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:31, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Personal template from a largely inactive user. Unused, not even by that user. No longer needed. — This, that, and the other (talk) 02:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Uw-controversial2
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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn - concerns stated in nomination have been addressed. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:27, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

This is the only uw-controversial* template. WikiProject User warnings seems to suggest uw-disruptive2 for this purpose. Two uses, from a few years ago. — This, that, and the other (talk) 02:08, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I created the template, and did so in response to a request. It was requested because the wording of uw-disruptive2 (a) seemed too harsh - ("please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive"; compare uw-controversial's "Your edits may appear to some to be vandalism and disruptive") and (b) did not cover the case where edits may be perfectly valid (i.e., not disruptive at all) but on a subject where consensus before editing is imperative due to past edit-warring. Someone, for instance, might (not knowing the page's history) start changing "Gdansk" to "Danzig" in the text of a page, or changing "China" to "Mainland China". These are not cases of deliberate disruption, but rather controversial pages which need discussing on the article's talk page - uw-controversial2 assumes good faith; uw-disruptive2 does not. Clearly, the two templates are useful in different circumstances and are not interchangeable. BTW, I'd like to know how you know there have only ever been a couple of uses of this - I can recall using it on at least half a dozen occasions, one of them within the last few months. It could well be that the users thus warned have simply removed it from their talk pages. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  02:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * My sincere apologies - if I had seen more than two uses, I would not have made this nomination. Perhaps WP:UW could be made aware of this template. I will withdraw this nomination. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:27, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Unreferenced BLP progress A
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The result of the discussion was speedy delete Plastikspork (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

These templates are invocations of (where x is the letter of the alphabet in the template's name). However, despite this, each template produces identical output. None of them have any transclusions. If this information is desired, the wikitext mentioned above can be used. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * These would be redundant now, for various reasons, and can all be speedied per author. Rich Farmbrough, 11:29, 31 July 2011 (UTC).


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