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Template:Robert Langdon novels

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:14, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Redundant to Template:Dan Brown, which has all relevant info. Brand meister t   21:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete No a good enough topic to have a template. Wilbysuffolk (talk) 20:51, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Why? I disagree! This is interesting topic that is nicely covered with this template. Also, scope is good, and it is done well. -- WhiteWriter speaks 14:54, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, the Dan Brown template already has most of the links. If more are needed, then add them to that template. Frietjes (talk) 15:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Help Needed

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The result of the discussion was Delete — G FOLEY   F OUR  — 02:39, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete There are sooo many templates the same. Why have another? Highhousefarm1 (talk) 21:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete we already have templates for this. 184.144.160.156 (talk) 03:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete unneeded; redundant to so many other templates. — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 06:50, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per above-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Jobs

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The result of the discussion was Delete — G FOLEY   F OUR  — 02:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Not needed. Highhousefarm1 (talk) 21:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete we already have templates for this. 184.144.160.156 (talk) 03:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per above-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Dog

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The result of the discussion was Moved to userspace. WOSlinker (talk) 19:16, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete There are lots of templates simalaur to this one. Highhousefarm1 (talk) 21:08, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Migrate to userspace so the creator can use it on his own page — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 07:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Move to userspace -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:36, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Move to userspace -- user:wilbysuffolk/dog (as I am the creator it should go to my userspace) Wilbysuffolk (talk) 20:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox DRCongo Province

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The result of the discussion was Delete. — This, that, and the other (talk) 02:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I was getting there. :P — G FOLEY   F OUR  — 03:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Redundant to Template:Infobox province.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete after replacement. Frietjes (talk) 00:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. - Darwinek (talk) 17:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Province Sri Lanka

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Redundant to Template:Infobox province. Template only used in several articles... ♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete after replacement Frietjes (talk) 00:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. - Darwinek (talk) 17:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Belgium Region

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Unused template. Redundant to Template:Infobox Region anyway.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Frietjes (talk) 00:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Belgium Arrondissement

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Simple redundant template to Template:Infobox arrondissement (settlement).♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete after replacement Frietjes (talk) 00:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Belgium Community
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:17, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Unused, redundant template.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Frietjes (talk) 00:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Belgium Municipality
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The result of the discussion was keep, but refactor to use a more common template as the backend. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:17, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Redundant to Template:Infobox municipality.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * This template is heavily used, by all municipalities of Belgium, and it uses a database for some of its key information (coordinates, population). I agree it doesn't look super, if it is kept, it might need an upgrade. What do you suggest for conversion to Infobox municipality? Markussep Talk 22:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Why on earth would we delete this? It does what it's supposed to do, and because it's specialized, it requires far fewer parameters, maps, etc, as input than the general municipality infobox. I think it should be kept.  Oreo Priest  talk 15:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * weak keep, for now. Start by making it one of the many that Uses Infobox settlement, then revisit if necessary. Frietjes (talk) 00:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Convert to call Infobox settlement. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Municipalities in Belgium aren't settlements, they're more like U.S. counties for example. Most 'municipalities' include many different settlements.  Oreo Priest  talk 18:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * From the documentation of : "This template should be used to produce an Infobox for human settlements (cities, towns, villages, communities) as well as other administrative districts, counties, provinces, et cetera - in fact, any subdivision below the level of a country, for which should be used."  Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Medium keep It does what it's supposed to do, and because it's specialized, it requires far fewer parameters, maps, etc, as input than the general municipality infobox. I would not be averse to merging it, but only if such a move could be made automatically and without breaking hundreds of pages that would then require to be redone manually.  Oreo Priest  talk 18:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what making it call would achieve.  Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:59, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Easier to use than the more generic templates. Could be converted into a wrapper template though if someone wants to. -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:11, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Easy to use and it gives the appropriate Belgium specific information + I agree with Oreo Priest -- fdewaele, 23 March 2011, 18:42 (CET)
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Template:Footnote
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:18, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Long deprecated reference template with a handful of uses. We have better methods of creating the same output. -— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete has been superseded by other templates/cite methods such as, /, and /. — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 18:32, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Woohoo. Worth noting that the last concern raised about its replacements, here, no longer appears to be valid (the articles in question have been stable with the new refs / footnotes system for a long time now). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Marinadelrey
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:18, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Not everything needs a navbox. Most of the template's links are just to subsections of the article... — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 08:33, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, a navbox is meant to navigate between articles, not serve as a table of contents. Frietjes (talk) 15:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Latest stable software release/iPhoneEmu
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

iPhoneEmu refers to iPhone Emulator, an article which the template crator created that has since been deleted as purely promotional, so there's no real use for this template anymore. — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 08:26, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - no compelling reason to keep it as it isn't used and is unlikely to be used in the near future. - Ahunt (talk) 14:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Could probably be done as G8 speedy. -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:53, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * '''Delete;;; - I don't need it --Cole Johnson (talk) 01:58, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per G11 as it is a blatant promotion.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:45, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:CEV Cup / Challenge Cup
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:44, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

A bit of redlink fever here. — This, that, and the other (talk) 08:56, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Should be blue ones. And see Category:CEV navigational boxes. Template:CEV Cup is the same? That one could be a redirect. And that third one is different (only for men)? Pelmeen10 (talk) 09:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Articles are in Category:European volleyball club competitions, so there are: Women's CEV Cup 2007–08, Women's CEV Cup 2008–09, Women's CEV Cup 2009–10, Men's CEV Cup 2007–08, Men's CEV Cup 2008–09, Men's CEV Cup 2009–10. I think those need a navigational template. Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:50, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

<hr style="width:55%;" /> Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Navboxes are intended to be used to navigate between existing articles, and this navbox has no existing articles on it. Also, should be deleted too — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 06:58, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Because this template is a dublicate, the other one must be kept. Pelmeen10 (talk) 04:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Child taxa/Life
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The result of the discussion was Keep for now. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:49, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

This is not the child taxa list of all life; this is the child taxa list for some kind of virus (??). Probably broken. Unused. No use. — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:43, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It is the child taxa list for all life. Less than half of those are virus taxa. It's not broken, as can be verified at Category:Immediate_children/Life. As for its use, I unfortunately can't answer that. Martin will know what it's used for and whether it's actually in use. I doubt he'd have a bot set up to update it if it weren't. <span style="font-family:linux libertine o, times; font-variant:small-caps">Bob the WikipediaN (talk • contribs) 06:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

<hr style="width:55%;" /> Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: It would be great if Martin could explain why this needs to be in template space, and what exactly it is being used for. Thanks! Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  01:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I left him a note a few days ago, but he appears to have little or no Internet access at this time and is thus on a WikiBreak. <span style="font-family:linux libertine o, times; font-variant:small-caps">Bob the WikipediaN (talk • contribs) 01:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Feel free to delete the template. A bot will re-create it on its next run. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  17:57, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * And I'm still wondering what the actual purpose is for creating this template that the bot finds the need to create one for each taxon...is this triggered by using the "update children" link? Furthermore, is it used after that? <span style="font-family:linux libertine o, times; font-variant:small-caps">Bob the WikipediaN (talk • contribs) 01:06, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...a quick check confirms that yes, clicking "update child taxa" is generating the template. If the template gets deleted, what happens to the child taxa list for Life? Is it retained, or does it fall apart as soon as this template is gone? <span style="font-family:linux libertine o, times; font-variant:small-caps">Bob the WikipediaN (talk • contribs) 01:15, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I fail to understand Martin's comment. If the template is deleted via TfD, then it must not be recreated with identical or near-identical content, as it is then eligible for CSD G4. — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:49, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * More importantly, it's rather pointless deleting it anyway if it's being bot-updated. Can someone explain what Taxobot needs this for, please? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:22, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The Taxobot creates these templates (this certainly isn't the only one) when a query is sent to find all immediate children of a taxon. This list of children is then displayed at the taxon's matching template and optionally within the taxobox corresponding to the taxon. But whether this can be done another way is a question I'd like to see answered. I'd think this could probably somehow be incorporated into the alread-existing taxonomy templates. Paging Martin again... <span style="font-family:linux libertine o, times; font-variant:small-caps">Bob the WikipediaN (talk • contribs) 17:30, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The bot automatically creates a "Child taxa/" template to accompany each "Taxonomy/" template, so that users can add children to a taxobox using e.g. 2 (example at Tusk shell) and to allow "subgroups" to be displayed, e.g. at Template:Taxonomy/Scaphopoda. The code doesn't currently allow for exceptions as there are no cases where the existence of an unused "Child taxa/" template is problematic.  If anyone wishes to write such code, I'd be happy to incorporate it into the bot code.  Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  19:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Hotel2
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:18, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Don't know what it's about. Unused. — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:40, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Weird. Has nothing to do with hotels. Delete.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Unused. -- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:49, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Wikinews pending interview
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:19, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

This box does not belong on Wikipedia - it takes sister project links a touch too far. Unused. — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:40, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete unused. Against WP:WWIN.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:51, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
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