Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 October 13



Template:Base

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * base

old (from 2006), and only used on one user page as part of a MOS proposal. Frietjes (talk) 22:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:BlueIfDay

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * BlueIfDay

colours a table cell blue if the day matches today (not very complicated). unused and old. Frietjes (talk) 20:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
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Doctor Who templates

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:50, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sonic Screwdriver Designs
 * Sonic Screwdriver models/marks
 * Weeping Angel stories
 * Judoon stories
 * Silence stories
 * Cybermat stories

User:SammynSophie, with all the good intentions in the world created a number of Doctor Who story templates. One of them, Template:Madame Kovarian stories, was already discussed and deleted. An earlier version of Template:Weeping Angel stories was discussed and deleted last year. Currently, most are in only in one article. I'm not sure which are useful and which not, so I'm listing them all for discussion. -- ‖ Ebyabe  talk -   General Health   ‖ 19:37, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete all I have previously vehemently argued to keep such templates, like River Song stories but even I believe that there is a difference to those templates nominated here. Cybermat stories duplicates Cybermen stories since Cybermats never appear separately. The Silence don't appear that often that they need a specific template. The Judoon are almost always minor characters in their appearances and those are few. Same goes for the Weeping Angels, who had only three major appearances that can be linked in those articles and the article about them. As for the sonic screwdrivers, I fail to see the point of the templates. Mostly the changes were cosmetic in nature anyway and not story-relevant. Regards  So Why  20:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all The passion of the fans for this show (and I have had it for more than 30 years now) along with the fun of creating these navboxes occasionally leads to creating a template(s) too far. We had the same kind of thing four or five years ago. SoWhy has given cogent reasons for their removal. Should "The Silence" become a recurring villain over several seasons then that one can be recreated but there is no need for it now. MarnetteD | Talk 21:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all Sonic screwdrivers link to nothing but the Doctor's and are WP:OR distinctions (since when is the screwdriver a different design after "Smith and Jones"?), Silence and Weeping Angels haven't appeared enough yet (only two major appearances each), Judoon only have one major appearance and Cybermat never appear independently of Cybermen (same rationale by which a Davros stories template was deleted). U-Mos (talk) 17:56, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all also the cybermat one was clumsily placed smack bang in the middle of the cybermen article, I have had to move it to to bottom-- Lerd the nerd wiki defender  21:12, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all - first two are just silly, others don't have enough to warrant a template. 188.221.79.22 (talk) 18:44, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Move to content and delete sonic stuff and ...
 * Merge monster appearance into a nav-box structure. The point, for example about cybermat stories is that if you want only cybermat stories (not a rat), there is no use having a list of 17 cybermen stories. Feasibly the cybermen stories template could include (*) - starred items also feature cybermats. Rich Farmbrough, 18:53, 16 October 2011 (UTC).


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Template:Latest stable software release/Browzar

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:27, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Latest stable software release/Browzar

Template is unused and seems to be about a page (Browzar) that does not exist. —danhash (talk) 18:22, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I did a search of Template:Latest stable software release and found it does not exist, although a number subtemplates do.  They too are not used on their articles.  It looks like they are being used to store trivial data.Curb Chain (talk)
 * Many of these software release templates are used (in either a software article or a comparison table); most, if not all, of those that are completely unused can be deleted. Don't be too hasty to label them as "trivial"; they are part of a well-established system. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:34, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – They are useful, yes. But Browzar has been deleted for 4 years. Delete. —danhash (talk) 16:10, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * delete, I was about to say "keep per ClicksAndWhistles", but there is a big difference here. This one hasn't been updated in years. Frietjes (talk) 19:37, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
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Unnecessary mathematical function templates
As far as I can make out Category:Mathematical function templates contains three types of templates: I can understand the sense of achievement an editor can get from taking on the challenge of putting a mathematical function into template form. It can be quite fun. However, if it's not useful, leave it in your userspace. The template space is not the place for experiments. A number of such templates have been created and have waited around for years without any significant usage. Then there are the templates which duplicate the operation of simple parser function. Is it more user-friendly to have templates for these? I say it's not, not in the long run. Let newcomers figure parser functions out, they're very useful; besides it's not as if templates are completely straight forward anyway. We should only keep those templates which are suffiently complex that using parser functions would not do and which are actually useful. If something's been around for years and is either hardly used or not used at all, I don't believe it's useful. J IM ptalk·cont 02:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) templates which perform a function which, though possibly interesting, is not useful to the project
 * 2) templates whose function is so simple it's not worth enshrining in a template (a parser function will do) and finally
 * 3) templates which are actually useful
 * We are, after all, an encyclopedia; sometimes it is necessary to use dynamic mathematical calculations to present dynamic material to the reader. This use is limited, however, since we do primarily provide static information.
 * On the other hand, these templates are potentially useful to other wikis (such as a mathematically-themed wiki). So, if they are found to be useless to us, they should be deleted (with any remaining usages of course substituted) on this wiki, transwikied to Meta and/or MediaWiki wiki, and listed in an appropriate place on those wikis. This would mean that the hard work put into coding these templates would be saved, and possibly put to better use than it is here.
 * Note that this is not a "delete" vote per se, as most of the really silly templates in this category have already been deleted. This is more of a comment about what should happen to templates not useful to us but useful to others: possibly, other already-deleted templates similar to these should be dug up and given over to one of those other wikis. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Calculations are very important; these ones are either too simple to warrant a template or too esoteric to been needed.
 * Those esoteric ones are excellent candidates for moving to Meta; great idea.
 * Those which are overly simple are already covered by parser functions and represent the few final hold-outs amongst the really silly templates in the category.
 * J IM ptalk·cont 17:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * If consensus is to delete, can I have them somewhere in my userspace (as subpages of User:Σ/Testing facility)? I want to spend some time examining how the code works. → Σ  τ  c . 04:36, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't see why not. Even if they're transwikied, you could userfy them (history & all). J IM ptalk·cont 17:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Template:Abs

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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 18:38, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Abs

This returns the absolute value of a number. It is redundant to the abs parser function. It has no significant transclusions (only a handful of testpages, talk pages, archives, etc.) after just over five years. J IM ptalk·cont 02:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * delete it Frietjes (talk) 22:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant to parser function. — Bility (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Factorial

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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 18:38, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Factorial

This returns the factorial of a given integer (up to 99). It's a complex template but one we don't need. It was created about four and a half years ago. It is currently transcluded on its own doc page and thence on the template page itself. And that's the extent of its use. J IM ptalk·cont 02:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * delete it Frietjes (talk) 22:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Copy to other wiki and delete here. Gotta love the closing braces: "}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}". — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In the event that factorial is needed, it is better coded as a lookup table. But it isn't. Rich Farmbrough, 18:43, 16 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Comment I agree, a lookup table would be better (even if we resort to an enormous switch) but we have no use for it. J IM ptalk·cont 03:35, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as unused and unneeded. — Bility (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Factor

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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 18:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Factor

This checks whether parameter two is a factor of parameter one. It was created four and a half years ago and is currently transcluded on its own doc page, thence on the template page and nowhere else. J IM ptalk·cont 02:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * delete it Frietjes (talk) 22:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Copy to other wiki and delete here. No use to us. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as unused and unneeded. — Bility (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Ifbetween
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ifbetween

This evaluates its first numeric parameter to see whether it is in the closed range defined by its second and third numeric parameters. This template is also four and a half years old and without any transclusions at all. J IM ptalk·cont 02:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * delete it Frietjes (talk) 22:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Copy to other wiki and delete here. No use to us. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds useful Rich Farmbrough, 18:44, 16 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Comment Yes, it does sound useful but it has yet to prove useful ... after four and a half years. Hence moving it to another wiki makes sense: if we ever find a need for it, we can copy it back. J IM ptalk·cont 03:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete, we already have Between, which could be used for the same purpose. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment You'll notice that is transcluded only on its own talk page. J IM ptalk·cont 03:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as unused and unneeded. — Bility (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Lz12
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Lz12

This adds leading zeros to a number until there are twelve digits before the decimal point (or where the decimal point would be). does a similar job but with a few important differences. The code of could be rewritten to make use of  but the question would be "What's the point?" What is the point of ? It was imported from meta four years ago and is currently used only on itself. J IM ptalk·cont 02:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * works with strings of characters whereas looks at numbers.  Decimal points and digits after them count for  but not for .   fails (appending "value out of range") for negative numbers whereas  just considers the hyphen (the minus) to be another character.   will stick zero onto an nonnumeric string whereas  will give a parser function error message.
 * returns strings of twelve charaters or more as they are.  fails (appending "value out of range") for numbers $1$ or greater.
 * delete it Frietjes (talk) 22:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 *  Copy to other wiki  (unneeded since it was imported from meta) and delete here. No use to us. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant to parser function. — Bility (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Digit
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 18:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Digit

This gives the numeric value of the digit in a specified numeral system. This is almost five years old and is never used. J IM ptalk·cont 02:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * delete it Frietjes (talk) 22:08, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Copy to other wiki and delete here. No use to us, and partially broken to boot (doesn't give hex digits above 9 as letters). — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as unused and unneeded. — Bility (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:France Close Up
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The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 18:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * France Close Up

Orphaned template and the "Arts" section seems pretty broad in scope if we are going to include all French Artists :) Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete unused.  Conflation of some unrelated topics or links that should not be related.Curb Chain (talk) 06:10, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Portal/Images/Military of Germany
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The result of the discussion was speedy delete (NAC). Frietjes (talk) 15:44, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I made a capitalization error when creating the page. The correct template is located @ Template:Portal/Images/Military of germany. Please delete the wrong one. MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I tagged it as db-author, next time you can do the same, rather than opening a TFD. Thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:44, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
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