Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 October 20



Template:Entête tableau charte

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:12, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Entête tableau charte
 * Entête tableau charte alignement style
 * Entête tableau charte alignement
 * Ligne titre tableau charte

these were deleted on the French WP, so we don't need them here any more either. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 22:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Ligne argent

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:12, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ligne argent
 * Ligne bronze
 * Ligne or

unused imports from the French WP. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 22:40, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all a french version of coloring which is either unnecessary or redundant to english versions that already existCurb Chain (talk) 02:13, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all This is English Wikipedia, not French Wikipedia. 70.24.251.158 (talk) 05:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Famous Americans

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:12, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Famous Americans

scope too broad and ill-defined. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 21:15, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as nomCurb Chain (talk) 22:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Fall of Serbian Empire

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The result of the discussion was no consensus, but rename as suggested. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fall of Serbian Empire

unused and replaced by History of Serbia. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 21:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: History of Serbia is an overview template, the Fall of Serbian Empire would house key events in that era, see Fall of the Serbian Empire. Btw, rename Fall of the Serbian Empire.--Zoupan (talk) 22:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: This template is perfect example of the grouping of links used in multiple related articles to facilitate navigation between those articles. Its topic has 3.410 hits on GBS (very notable considering that this is medieval event on Balkans). This template provides navigation between existing related articles on wikipedia. It would be wrong to cram all those links into History of Serbia. According to Navigation templates it would be wrong to "cram as many related articles as possible into one space" because such templates "should be kept small in size as a large template has limited navigation value".--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:15, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Why isn't it being used? Plastikspork (talk) 00:53, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:FIRSnation

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * FIRSnation

unused and can be replaced with infobox organisation. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 21:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:FC party
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:19, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * FC party
 * PP party
 * RN party
 * UN party
 * UPP party

unused, and the convention is to use "Possible Peru/meta/shortname", ..., not this. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:FC Okean Nakhodka
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:22, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * FC Okean Nakhodka

unused "current squad" template which has not been updated in over a year. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 21:05, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:FC Barcelona UEFA Champions League 2008-2009 Winners
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:22, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * FC Barcelona UEFA Champions League 2008-2009 Winners
 * UEFA Champions League 2008-2009 Winners

unused squad templates. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 21:03, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Cards/clubs
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:21, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Cards/clubs
 * Cards/diamonds
 * Cards/hearts
 * Cards/spades

not used by template:cards. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 20:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Various images in templates
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The result of the discussion was Moved to Userspace. Not relevant as template for general use. WOSlinker (talk) 21:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 550px
 * 450px
 * 350px
 * 250px
 * 150px

No need to put these images into separate templates. WOSlinker (talk) 20:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Author Comment: I don't understand why or how you came across these templates. These were just for me to easily design my pictures on my user subpage "Cool Pictures out of icons" I guess they can be deleted, but I just wanted to be able to use them without having to type in the whole "File:dc one.svg|50px" stuff. Maybe you can change the name or something so they can't be confused with the other templates.

L a r s o n a 20:21, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Side note: I alos made a template out of a template. If you delete those, the links in the other ones will go bad.

Links:

Template:01

Template:02

Template:03

Template:04

Template:05 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larsona (talk • contribs) 20:32, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Floatbox
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The result of the discussion was redirect and merge any missing functionality. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Floatbox

same functionality is provided by template:stack, and any missing features can be added there. it could be a useful redirect, since the name indicates that it floats things together, although there is no default visible "box". Frietjes (talk) 16:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to stack, or merge and redirect if anything is missing. 70.24.251.158 (talk) 05:13, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Right-floating table
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:31, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Right-floating table

unused and redundant to template:stack begin with "clear=true". Frietjes (talk) 16:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Italy Squad 2002 Euro U-21
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The result of the discussion was keep Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:29, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Italy Squad 2002 Euro U-21

Per previous consensus. The consensus was developed through 2006 (delete all but World Cup) to currently World Cup, Olympics top regional event (Copa America, Euro, Gold Cup, AFC, CAF and Oceania) No youth template allowed (I had the January discussion, Footy had deleted more after January) Matthew_hk   t  c  07:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I would likes to nominated
 * Italy Squad 2000 Euro U-21
 * Italy Squad 2004 Euro U-21
 * Italy Squad 2007 Euro U-21
 * Italy Squad 2009 Euro U-21

Matthew_hk  t  c  07:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Matthew_hk   t  c  07:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * More nominated:
 * France Squad 2011 U20 World Cup
 * Portugal Squad 1994 Euro U-21
 * Portugal Squad 2004 Euro U-21
 * Portugal Squad 2006 Euro U-21
 * Portugal Squad 2007 Euro U-21
 * Norway Squad 1998 Euro U-21
 * France Squad 2002 Euro U-21
 * France U21 Squad Euro 2006
 * Belgium Squad 2002 Euro U-21
 * Belgium Squad 2007 Euro U-21
 * Switzerland Squad 2002 Euro U-21
 * Switzerland Squad 2004 Euro U-21
 * Switzerland Squad 2011 Euro U-21
 * Denmark Squad 2006 Euro U-21
 * Denmark Squad 2011 Euro U-21
 * Germany Squad 2004 Euro U-21
 * Germany Squad 2009 Euro U-21
 * Czech Republic Squad 2000 Euro U-21
 * Czech Republic Squad 2002 Euro U-21
 * Czech Republic Squad 2011 Euro U-21
 * Czech Republic U-21 Squad Euro 2007
 * Ukraine Squad 2006 Euro U-21 (was deleted under Template:Ukraine Squad 2006 Euro under-21 Championship)
 * Ukraine Squad 2011 Euro U-21
 * Greece Squad 2002 Euro U-21
 * Turkey Squad 2000 Euro U-21
 * Finland Squad 2009 Euro U-21
 * Belarus U-21 Squad Euro 2004 ‎
 * Netherlands Squad 2006 Euro U-21 ← (was deleted under Template:Netherlands 2006 u21 squad)

Matthew_hk  t  c  07:56, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Off-topic. What is the function of Template:Italy national under-21 football team Managers? Matthew_hk   t  c  07:56, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Found last one in June. U-21 failed to delete by voting game. Matthew_hk   t  c  08:06, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Nominator summoned some old Tfd from 2006, but he missed the recent disscusions on WP:FOOTY, this and this. Also, he missed the newest Tfd discussion about Template:Spain Squad 2011 Euro U-21Oleola (talk) 12:05, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Several more recent discussion that did not result in deletion here and here. I have also notified WP:FOOTY about this TfD. — MT (talk) 05:03, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep European under-21 tournaments generate significant coverage, and many of the links will be blue, and it will be useful for readers to quickly click on other squad members. Eldumpo (talk) 07:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep consensus can change, and it appears it has. Also, for the most part these templates are blue-linked - many 100% blue linked, therefore useful in building the web. I don't buy the clutter argument as they can be stacked and I don't believe they should go simply because of some arbitrary line which says only x and y tournaments deserve templates. If they have enough links to be useful as nav templates, then keep them.-- Club Oranje T 10:04, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep As above, consensus can change. But there is still a need to arbitrarily limit these youth templates. In my opinion, European U-21 competition and FIFA U-20 competition are notable enough, where most players are already professional players, which should have their own wiki articles. However, there is no need to create templates for U-19 and U-17 squad, where most players are still in youth team or academy. I also don't believe that clutter is a major problem, a successful youth players can have at most three (two EURO U-21 templates and one FIFA U-20 template). On rare occassion there could be more, but I don't think it's a big problem because they can be grouped together in Template:Navboxes or Template:Navboxes colour. — MT (talk) 10:41, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep They are mostly blue linked and recent consensus has been in favour if these. Edinburgh   Wanderer  18:49, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Ok why not formed a new consensus? Did U-21 Euro is a "major senior regional event", which is the basic consensus for unlimited demand. The argument was based on "major" (as MOST of them blue linked and a few red-link in the squads list, it may be called a game for professional/young pro.) And for U-20 Cup it had half of the red link and some player (of early 2000s) never turned to professional. Matthew_hk   t  c  00:25, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW. many "minor" event were consist of "blue-link" players. Such as Japan in Asian Cup and East Asian Cup. Some teams participate more event and some "weak" team only in "minor" event, such as Caribbean Cup. The last effective consensus in last few years deals with problem but what is the new consensus?  Matthew_hk   t  c  00:56, 22 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - guys, I think we're missing the point here. Notability for these templayes shouldn't be determined by what tournament they represent, it should be determined by how useful they are. These templates are used for navigation between players, and so if templates allow that (i.e. by having a number of blue links) then they should remain. GiantSnowman 09:04, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Good templates. 120.151.88.10 (talk) 12:38, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree with GiantSnowman. TheBigJagielka (talk) 15:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - I also agree with GiantSnowman. :) Mentoz86 (talk) 22:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:AMCOTWArticle
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * AMCOTWArticle

Redundant template which is not used anywhere or even needed.  Rcsprinter  (warn)  15:47, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete totally uselessCurb Chain (talk) 22:36, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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