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Template:Olivia (TV series)

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:27, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Olivia (TV series)
 * Olivia

Links into three articles. Not a good navbox. WP:NENAN. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  23:27, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - too few articles to justify a navbox. Robofish (talk) 21:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, the see also section can cover it. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 23:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox National University Colleges

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox National University Colleges

unused. Frietjes (talk) 22:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox NIFL team

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox NIFL team

unused. Frietjes (talk) 22:50, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Motorola Atrix

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete as a test page. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:27, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Motorola Atrix

not an actual template, just the documentation. Frietjes (talk) 22:47, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Marvel animated episode

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Marvel animated episode

unused and replaced by template:infobox television episode. Frietjes (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:38, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Marvel animated season episode list
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:59, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Marvel animated season episode list

unused and replaced by template:episode list. Frietjes (talk) 22:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:39, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Malaysian public transit system
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Malaysian public transit system

replaced by template:infobox rail line. Frietjes (talk) 22:43, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:39, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox MarathonTitle
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox MarathonTitle
 * Category:Marathon infobox templates

looks like an editing test. Frietjes (talk) 22:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as pointless. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:39, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Manx Station
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The result of the discussion was speedy delete as a test page. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Manx Station

not an actual template, just the documentation for a template which does not exist. All the manx stations are using template:infobox station. Frietjes (talk) 22:40, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Magic: The Gathering playing card
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:01, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Magic: The Gathering playing card

unused. Frietjes (talk) 22:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I think we only have one article on a Magic: The Gathering card, all others are not notable or redirects.  As such, it would not make sense to have an infobox.Curb Chain (talk) 01:43, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Magnetic Fusion Device
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Magnetic Fusion Device

unused. Frietjes (talk) 21:20, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Mad Men season 1 episode list
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:07, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Mad Men season 1 episode list
 * Infobox Mad Men season 2 episode list
 * Infobox Mad Men season 3 episode list
 * Category:Mad Men episode list templates

unused. Frietjes (talk) 21:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox MSingh cabinet 15th LS
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:08, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox MSingh cabinet 15th LS

information is already in 15th Lok Sabha. Frietjes (talk) 21:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Macedonia (Greece)
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:09, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Macedonia (Greece)

hardcoded fork of template:infobox settlement which is not used in Macedonia (Greece). Frietjes (talk) 21:14, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox MHSAA Football
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox MHSAA Football

uses template:infobox connector for football? unused editing test. Frietjes (talk) 21:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox LegCo
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox LegCo

unused and replaced by template:infobox officeholder. Frietjes (talk) 21:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Kröd Mändoon and the Flaming Sword of Fire episode list
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Kröd Mändoon and the Flaming Sword of Fire episode list

unused and not needed. Frietjes (talk) 21:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Kath & Kim season 1 episode list
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:12, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Kath & Kim season 1 episode list

unused and mostly redlinks. Frietjes (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete redundant and unused format to the articleCurb Chain (talk) 00:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Kansas Top 20 Hits
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:12, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Kansas Top 20 Hits
 * Infobox Kansas Top Hits
 * Kansas Top 10 Hits
 * Kansas Top 20 Hits
 * Kansas Top 40 Hits
 * Kansas Top 100 Hits

unused. Frietjes (talk) 21:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete all redundant to Kansas discography Curb Chain (talk) 00:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Kansas album
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Kansas album
 * Infobox Kansas hits list

unused editing tests. Frietjes (talk) 21:02, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete seems redundant to infobox albumCurb Chain (talk) 00:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Jewish prayer
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:15, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Jewish prayer

unused. Frietjes (talk) 21:00, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Japanese temples
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The result of the discussion was Delete, it appears there are alternatives, grouped by religion, rather than country. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:28, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox Japanese temples

unused, and we have template:infobox religious building. Frietjes (talk) 20:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: I don't know why it's "unused", there's butt-loads of articles on Japanese temples. Boneyard90 (talk) 17:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Likely because WP:JA didn't know it existed. Perhaps we should use it now so it's no longer unused. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 07:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Or because we have Template:Infobox Buddhist temple and others for individual religions. 76.113.124.50 (talk) 18:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Ifor/no
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:15, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ifor/no

removes the leading zero from single digit numbers. unused and poor name for such a template. Frietjes (talk) 19:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox football club/kit image
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:18, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox football club/kit image

not used by any articles, should be removed from template:infobox football club as well, since it is not in use. Frietjes (talk) 16:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox CPU QPI
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:19, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox CPU QPI

unused. Frietjes (talk) 16:26, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox CSCabinet
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:19, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox CSCabinet

unused, articles are using template:CSCabinet instead. Frietjes (talk) 16:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox disco music
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox disco music

unused, there is already an infobox in the disco article. Frietjes (talk) 15:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox dessert
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox dessert

unused and documentation is from template:infobox book. Frietjes (talk) 15:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox clothing
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox clothing

copy-and-paste of template:infobox artwork, including a "location map" for clothing and the tracking category. Frietjes (talk) 15:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox actor awards/new
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox actor awards/new

documentation is for template:infobox musician awards/new, so i am assuming this is an unused fork. Frietjes (talk) 15:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox bleach
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:21, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox bleach

unused. Frietjes (talk) 15:47, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete this should use Template:Infobox television episode instad. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 04:00, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:UK ward
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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 21:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * UK ward
 * Infobox UK ward

Propose merging Template:UK ward with Template:Infobox UK ward.

The templates are redundant. The non-infobox version already has a section for councillors, which is the only section in the infobox version. I suggest they should be merged into "Infobox UK ward".– Temporal User (Talk) 07:50, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge as proposed - the templates are both redundant and redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:34, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Template:BCD
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The result of the discussion was rename as template:DELTA. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 21:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * BCD

Having a template for the name of a user (User:Δ) seems an inappropriate use of template space. The template name is also misleading, as it has nothing to do with BCD. Have mörser, will travel (talk) 05:04, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep or force user back to BetaCommand as a username. Either one works. Jclemens (talk) 05:13, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see the logic here. If I pick ₵₧ℳ¢₩ as my user name, am I allowed a template for it? Have mörser, will travel (talk) 05:21, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * An uncontroversial solution would be to move the template into BetaCommand's userspace. I'd far rather this were simply deleted, however; WP:SIG is formulated to encourage non-Western editors to contribute to our encyclopedia, not to encourage our core demographic to use wacky usernames for the thrill of it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 08:43, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - useful, harmless. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 12:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - An utterly harmless, easy and cheap solution. It is not like we need the serverspace, or that it is in the way of something more important.  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 12:33, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - saves having to dig through the character map. Wouldn't oppose userification. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Given how often User:Δ is discussed, I think this template is very practical and makes those discussions easier to participate in; on the flipside, I also realize that this solution absolutely will not scale if done for many users. Userfying into Δ's userspace would utterly defeat the purpose of the template. Would moving to a subpage of User:Betacommand be acceptable? That, or I suppose we could set up some "meta" user, as with User:UBX. Regardless, if this template is deleted, I presume that all current uses of it should be subst'ed. – Luna Santin  (talk) 20:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, please close this. I withdraw my nomination. [I just changed my user name, by the way. Hopefully you won't discuss me so often as to need a template for it. ] Uʔ (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And I thought our most trusted arbitrator, who even has a dialect named after him, deserves NYB. Uʔ (talk) 20:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Your name change and creating that template borders on a WP:POINT violation --Guerillero &#124; My Talk  22:48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Assume good faith, please. I quickly found that others had trouble referring to my old user name because it was too long. So, I changed it to something short. By now all short Latin user names I've tried have been taken. As for the NYB template, I genuinely felt a need for that, because I always forget the capitalization (New York Brad, NewYorkBrad?) and I'm pretty lazy when it comes to typing myself. I assumed that templates should not be created just for a few users' convenience in typing, but as it's said above: useful & harmless. Have a good day! Uʔ (talk) 23:00, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * When the evidence points in one direction its better to be up front. --Guerillero &#124; My Talk  00:18, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't create a template for my user name; I created a template for a name I type sometimes, and which I have genuinely trouble remembering. Also, there's no NYB, so not much confusion there. If it bothers you so much, nominate it for deletion, and I'll resort to just typing NYB as I did before. Uʔ (talk) 09:22, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And by the way, do you think this BCD template should be kept or deleted? I think that's the main purpose of the current discussion. Uʔ (talk) 09:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh that small thing....Keep or rename to delta.--Guerillero &#124; My Talk  13:35, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename it's just a Delta symbol, it shouldn't have an obscure name like BCD. It should be called "DELTA" (since it's capital delta) Template:DELTA should do. If it were to actually link to the user... then it could be called Template:Wikipedian BCD or Template:User BCD or whatever but, it doesn't link to the user in any way. The template as it currently exists clearly has many uses outside of being a shortcut for typing the user's name, since it could be used as a shortcut for typing Capital Delta. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 07:57, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, should potential encyclopedic usage prevail given that the template is currently not used for that purpose? What if the user changes his name again? It would be easier to just type the new one in the current template. If you think it's useful to have one for mainspace with a more correlated title, you should probably create a separate template for that. Uʔ (talk) 09:22, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * But BCD has uses nothing to do with this user, and exists in articlespace. Particularly, Binary Coded Decimal (since we're on computers right now). So "BCD" is a bad name all around. If we were to rename it Template:DELTA, then a redirect from Template:User BCD could be created. When the user renames himself, the redirect could be rebuilt as a template to the new name. Though I don't see why it doesn't just have instead of just Δ as its contents. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 05:37, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * delete, or rename as suggested above (DELTA, User BCD, ...) or merge with $\delta$ . Having templates for specific users does not look like a good idea, as it leads to cluttering the namespace. - Nabla (talk) 10:47, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment shouldn't this be made a substitution template? These transclusions must surely add unnecessary loading on the servers, and there's the issue with the transclusion limit, so any large scale discussion with many transclusions may go over the limit, breaking templates on that page. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 04:46, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Agree with previous comment, that if it stays, should be a substitution only template. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:48, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as useful; other users with non-Latin characters and/or symbols should also have templates to make it easier to refer to them when needed. — CharlieEchoTango  — 05:13, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note. There are two parallel discussions to rename this template on its talk page! ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment as this seems closing towards keep, please comment on the appropriate name of this template at Template talk:BCD. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 04:08, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. The template instructions even say that you can type  to get Δ, the exact-same number of characters as BCD and with less overhead.  I see no reason for this template to exist. –Grondemar 23:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is the same total number of characters, but it is 7 individual, fairly widely spread characters, requiring alternating shifting, instead of 5 characters conveniently located close to eachother all typed while holding the shift key. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 16:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I demand an Epsilon — Moe ε  22:32, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Subst and userfy. I see no problem if the user wants to subst something to get their username. &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 23:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that it is not himself who originally thought that BCD was needed ...  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 16:53, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the template was created for the convenience of others, not necessarily for the convenience of Δ. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 17:02, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note. The template was moved to Template:DELTA by consensus on the talk page. I suppose the rest of the discussion is about the redirect from BCD to DELTA. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete and  and add uppercase output to . No need for multiple templates. — Bility (talk) 22:19, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No need? The lack of a Δ key on my keyboard and an editor who has chosen a difficult-to-type username who finds themselves being discussed by the community regularly generates a need. There is no shortage of templatespace, and this convenient typing-aid has proven valuable in addressing Δ in the manner he has chosen. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 16:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added capitalization control to the sandbox at delta/sandbox, but it doesn't work perfectly: []. Help would be appreciated.  -- N  Y  Kevin  @716, i.e. 16:10, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I made a mistake testing it, but I don't think it can be subst'd... It works for testcases on the doc page though.  -- N  Y  Kevin  @718, i.e. 16:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Here are the necessary changes: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=458255824&diff=459984285]. Ignore the changes in the noinclude (the doc versus template sandbox notice). -- N  Y  Kevin  @721, i.e. 16:18, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply that doesn't make sense to me. The three param and two param versions do not use capital Δ, indeed, if they were capitalized, they would be wrong, since the uses for the three and two param versions require the small δ . 70.24.248.23 (talk) 06:32, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was simply trying to make the template as flexible as possible. And it does work with no (other) parameters, which is good enough unless you want WP:SUBST (then we need a separate template and it might as well be this one; OTOH   isn't that difficult to type in the first place).  -- N  Y  Kevin  @783, i.e. 17:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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Template:W3C software license
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:30, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * W3C software license

Orphaned, no transclusions, no foreseeable use.  F ASTILY s  (TALK) 02:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't think much W3C writeup is worth including in Wikipedia as-is. Paraphrasing and some fair use quotations from their standards don't require the use of this template. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 21:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Moby
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The result of the discussion was merge into one template Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 18:17, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Moby

Unnecessary--it is just a container for two other templates which can be included themselves and which will autocollapse if the other is present. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Moby main and Moby singles will presumably always be deployed together: they can be trivially be rolled into this template and then deleted. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 08:47, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * merge Moby main and Moby singles into as suggested, these two catscans  suggest chris is correct that they are only being used together, so it is pointless to have two templates here. Frietjes (talk) 23:47, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge and delete the subs to minimize template invocation. bd2412  T 19:48, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
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Template:French municipal arrondissement
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 18:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * French municipal arrondissement

This is a poorly formatted and little used template, without any specialised fields and no automatic conversion. Only 20 transclusions, for the 20 arrondissements of Paris. Nero the second (talk) 15:19, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * weak delete, I agree, we don't need this. I updated the transclusions and made the current template logic more transparent. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 19:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Can be used for articles on arrondissements of Paris (20), Marseille (16) and Lyon (9), a potential 45 transclusions, more than other infoboxes. If you don't like the coding, fix it, don't delete. --Bob247 (talk) 19:19, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions.  —Bob247 (talk) 22:10, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 45 transclusions is still very low by any standards.--Nero the second (talk) 16:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant. It is used and is informative to the reader. There are hundreds of templates that are currently employed that have less than 30 transclusions. --Bob247 (talk) 18:28, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

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 * Delete - redundant to Infobox settlement. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a frontend to infobox settlement, so of course it's "redundant", the question is if there is any value added by the frontend. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 15:15, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, it's not very useful as a frontend.--Lady Pablo (talk) 00:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – This template seems clearly useful to me. The fact that it was initially poorly written is irrelevant, as demonstrated by the impressive revamping work that several of you have done on it! As it stands now, my impression is that:
 * Template has 72 parameters (in a simple scenario!). By contrast, template  has 27 parameters and is much easier to use.
 * Parameters of are vague and generic (as they should be for such a general template). By contrast, those of  have names that precisely match the data and therefore promote accuracy. For example, "mayor" and “deputy” are more helpful than “leader_name” and “leader_name1”. And, needless to say, "insee" is much more helpful than "blank_info_sec1" (a generic placeholder parameter designed to input custom information).
 * Several parameters are set with default values that not only reduce the typing burden but, more usefully, avoid spelling or formatting inconsistencies and make future improvements easier. For example, the generic parameter “leader_title” is set to value “mayor”; similarly, “leader_title1” is set to a link to page Deputies of the 12th French National Assembly, which already needs to be updated to point to Deputies of the 13th French National Assembly; that will be easier done just once in the template than in every instance of its 45 (or so) transclusions.
 * In short, it seems obvious to me that, because of its complexity and its genericity, is a prime candidate for the creation of template shortcuts like . I think that it is, in fact, the proper way to use it.
 * Wlgrin 07:12, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 18:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Brackets

Text can easily be entered directly. Not been widely used in last 5 years. WOSlinker (talk) 15:11, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

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 * Delete - It's easier (thanks to habits that are worn over the years of editing) to use foobar than [foobar] → Σ  τ  c . 07:34, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep How is this easily entered directly? Using nowiki is a lot more keystrokes when enclosing stuff that does something (like including some other internal link) 70.24.251.158 (talk) 08:08, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems fair enough. I personally hate typing  (yes I know there is a shortcut button for it, but I don't like it) - I think other users share this sentiment - otherwise why would we have tlf? It has a fair few transclusions. The purpose of brackets is no different. — This, that, and the other (talk)  06:49, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Anecdotes of the form "I'm sure other people use this" are best accompanied by evidence. An examination of this from first principles would strongly suggest that the average editor is vastly more likely to make use of the discoverable JS editing toolbar than a magical template substitution. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 23:24, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * delete, no one is actually using it, so we don't need it. As Σ says, editors are already in the habit of typing nowiki in the rare case that this is needed. Frietjes (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep. Even if just a handful of power users know about it and use it, it's still useful and harmless. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 14:03, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as unused. I never knew of this template before this TfD, and me and many others would use  . &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 11:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment if you would use it, and now know about it, why would you delete it? 65.94.77.11 (talk) 07:39, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Typo (the nowikis never showed up). &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 11:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, as unneeded and rarely used. There are plenty of alternative methods that are in greater use, such as typing  directly, using : link, or multiple brackets to actually make a link in the brackets: [[link]]. — Bility (talk) 22:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – As the above posting illustrates, there a multiple ways to accomplish something on Wikipedia. Just because one method is more popular, doesn't mean that alternative methods are eliminated.  Why eliminate an option for other users simply because you don't choose to use it yourself? —  Senator2029  &#124;  talk  02:50, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * TMTOWTDI is not a user-friendly paradigm. The more inconsistent ways there are to do the same thing, the harder it is for editors to understand other editors' work, the greater the possible area for bugs, and the more complicated our editing guides must be. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I chuckle as I realize that whatever the topic or issue, all sides are able to cite equally authoritative acronyms to support their positions. I therefore proffer with good disposition: WP:DOSPAGWYA. — Senator2029  &#124;  talk  18:04, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
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Template:PAGENAME-T
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:21, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * PAGENAME-T

Unused utility template with no obvious use case. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 12:52, 11 October 2011 (UTC) <hr style="width:55%;" />
 * delete, very old and unused. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 21:31, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand usage, this can come in handy in several places. &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 02:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
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 * Not that anyone has provided evidence of. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 09:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Useless - it is easier to use   than 177376372 templates. Bulwersator (talk) 14:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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