Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 September 6



Template:Suicide by country

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The result of the discussion was Keep, now that the redlinks have been removed, which was the primary concern raised in the initial nomination. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:18, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Suicide by country

Way too many redlinks. Either cut it to the few that have articles or wait until those articles exist. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 23:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I think the rationale for the root category, Category:World topic navigational boxes, is flawed for most, if not all of the derived templates, like this one (there are 2 templates in this category not derived from a root template). climate is not bound by nation, so a "climate of the world" template should be organized by bioregion. history excludes histories of all those subjects not currently soveriegn states. geography is best organized by continent, not country, when looked at globally. economies is somewhat justified as organized by country, but thats not the only criteria that is useful. Income is a stub, doesnt unite enough articles to justify it. philosophy is most definitely NOT best organized by country. population is not very useful, too many red links. territorial evolution links an odd miniscule set of articles, not comprehensive enough. Foreign policy and politics make the most sense, but again, why would someone interested in the foreign policy of uruguay need a template for the entire world? the most useful template would be for latin america. AND, the most important to my thinking is that no one has adopted these to any significant degree. I cant figure out where the root template is, but i would argue that they all should be deleted. It sounds great until you think of whether they serve a truly useful purpose that isnt already provided by numerous other templates. A whole world template should include other regions not recognized as nations, such as territories and the oceans (do we have this already?)Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:50, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Blah blah blah, tl;dr. Less talky. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:06, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * All templates like suicide template bad. no like, others no like. destroy all.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What he said. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep, I removed the redlinks here. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 15:46, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per anon. --Bob247 (talk) 21:50, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:PDC World Cup of Darts

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * PDC World Cup of Darts

WP:NENAN, links only to two articles. Sir Armbrust Talk to me  Contribs  19:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:PDC Under-21 World Championship

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * PDC Under-21 World Championship

WP:NENAN, links only to two articles. Sir Armbrust Talk to me  Contribs  19:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:PDC Women's World Championship

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * PDC Women's World Championship

WP:NENAN, links only to two articles. Sir Armbrust <sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk to me  <sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs  19:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:World Cricket Championship
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * World Cricket Championship

WP:NENAN, links only to two articles. Sir Armbrust <sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk to me  <sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs  19:37, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Eighth generation game consoles
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:20, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Eighth generation game consoles

Far too premature with only one entry in the navlist (and that even as contested as belonging to that category). M ASEM (t) 16:00, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete prematureCurb Chain (talk) 03:50, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Perhaps the most useless navbox I've ever seen. Del per WP:CRYSTAL. --Odie5533 (talk) 08:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Maharashtrian Bhakti saints
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:29, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Maharashtrian Bhakti saints

Unused, unsure what it's useful for. The Evil IP address (talk) 15:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Wikimedia LIS Portal
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The result of the discussion was moved to portal space, without redirect. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:02, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia LIS Portal

Redundant to Wikimedia for portals. The Evil IP address (talk) 15:40, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:WikinewsPortalMoldova
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * WikinewsPortalMoldova

Redundant to Wikinews portal. Article usage removed, user page usage should be substituted. The Evil IP address (talk) 15:00, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:WPHorror
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The result of the discussion was Delete, but can be userfied upon request. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * WPHorror

Such icons aren't commonly used, instead one usually uses talk page templates, which seems to exist already. The Evil IP address (talk) 14:56, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:User interwikis
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The result of the discussion was userfy Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:46, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * User interwikis

User template used by 1 user, suggest subst: and delete or userfy. The Evil IP address (talk) 14:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: every templates have begun by one page, today this one is used by several people on a few wikis, it's not disturbing. JackPotte (talk) 14:41, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The scope is limited. This isn't a useful template.Curb Chain (talk) 03:48, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete or userfy only lists 2 language editions of the projects; limited scope; only one useCurb Chain (talk) 03:48, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:IRB World Rankings
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:45, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * IRB World Rankings

Per WP:RECENTISM. The weekly/monthly fluctuation of a team in the IRB rankings is not notable, their all time high and lows are but the latest change isn't. Gnevin (talk) 12:30, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Historical records may be pertinent to encyclopedia articles: current rankings are largely not. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 12:41, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - anyone who knows how to use the "history" section will easily find out via history what a teams ranking was in a certain week in a year...--Stemoc (talk) 14:29, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Totally not how wiki works Gnevin (talk) 15:06, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Rankings are notable and the history section as described above can also be implemented and this historical analysis of articles and templates is exactly one of the functions of wikipedia and tools for extraction and analysis of page history can be found at WP:PAGE. Moreover, as the rankings are listed on more than one article at a time, this template makes it easier to update and keep current. Exactly what a template is supposed to be for. Moreover, it actually falls directly within the WP:10YT of WP:RECENTISM. If the nominator doesn't like this template, then why doesn't he/she nominate the templates in Category:Rugby union table templates for the same reason. The 2011-12 tables are completely recent. --Bob247 (talk) 18:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions. Bob247 (talk) 18:37, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * There is a difference between a table which gives the rankings in 2011/12, and a table which gives the rankings now. The former is a historical record. The latter is an item of current affairs. It is not at all appropriate to include a current ranking table on every single national team article, any more than it would be to include a current league table on a club article. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 09:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * A lot of those templates are unused so there is strong case to delete them Gnevin (talk) 10:29, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This template is totally acceptable and doesn't violate WP:RECENTISM. What's next? Will you nominate every tennis top ten rankings template? Ridiculous. Sir Armbrust  <sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk to me  <sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs  22:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep As long as someone keeps it updated. I would rather have no template than one containing incorrect information. AIR corn (talk) 03:49, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox UK cathedral
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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox UK cathedral

redundant to Infobox church. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – although there are a few fields to be transferred from UK cathedral to church DBD 10:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support — Agree with the above. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:00, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:DYK watch
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:22, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * DYK watch

Unused and presumably redundant now that MediaWiki does a good enough job of handling multimedia streams through thumbnails directly. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 10:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Generator Rex
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Generator Rex

Navigates three articles. WP:NENAN. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  10:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Sidebar start
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sidebar start
 * Sidebar end

Unused old sidebar system. An enterprising IP has already migrated the previously existing uses to sidebar, which supersedes this. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 09:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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Template:Bluelink
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Bluelink

The template turns a redlink blue (but still with a red underline). What's the point of this? Redlinks are red for a reason. The template is unused in the main space, which is no surprise. The few transclusions that do exist are unimportant. J IM ptalk·cont 02:14, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Interestingly it was listed for speedy deletion back on 12 Sep 08 but escaped since the template used to speedy it was itself deleted the next day. J IM ptalk·cont 20:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting delete.svg Delete - The template goes against the point of redlinks. If it's used in something like a Request for Permissions preload, it can be subst'd. -- Σ  talk <sub style="margin-left:-3.2ex"> contribs  04:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete The documentation says that a nonexisting article is to be used so that it appears to exist?  Red links are red for a reason.Curb Chain (talk) 08:07, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, redlinks are called redlinks for a reason. This has no possible use that I can see. ...Dynamic&#124;cimanyD... (talk&#124;klat) ☺ 00:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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