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Template:South Korean music artists

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The result of the discussion was delete, too large of a scope for a navigation template (if it were expanded to complete coverage), and no other nationality-based musical artist templates. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * South Korean music artists

Template lists every music group and artist based in South Korea. I'm not aware of any precedent of templates listing all groups and artists in one template based on nationality. Too broad to be of any useful navigation. — ξ xplicit  23:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete -- this is the 3rd or 4th navbox on most of these articles. It doesn't add anything really useful (other than nationalistic puffery) and just adds navbox clutter. -- Selket Talk 15:50, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Let's not be rude by insulting the beautiful link between a national culture and its music that is produced by it. The artists in SK are not too many and so you cannot say that the topic is broad. And also, this template will (1) help in finding Korean-language singers, (2) help discover singers from the nation of South Korea, (3) help us navigate in finding other people from the same music genre. All of which is a need in a vast modern encyclopedia like this one. Farjad 0322 (talk&#124;sign&#124;contribs) 21:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * delete, this is what categories are for. Frietjes (talk) 15:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Your argument is false in many ways. That way half the the templates are useless. Besides not every person who uses wikipedia can see or knows about categories, but they can see templates. Besides categories are a mess and don't mention how an artist is solo or group, male or female or mixed. Farjad 0322 (talk&#124;sign&#124;contribs) 16:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * really? categories "don't mention how an artist is solo or group, male or female or mixed"?  last time I checked there were subcategories of Category:South Korean musicians.  if you want to create more subcategories, go right ahead.  I'm pretty sure everyone can see categories.  they are right there at the bottom of the article just below the navigation boxes.  Frietjes (talk) 00:10, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * by the way, why aren't Yi Saenggang and Hwang Byungki in this template? seems like it's not really about all "South Korean music artists". if you were to include everyone (e.g., Tae Jin Ah), the template would explode in size.  which is, again, why we have categories (e.g., over 150 just in Category:South Korean male singers). Frietjes (talk) 00:15, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Sydney Metro color

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:00, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sydney Metro color
 * Sydney Metro lines
 * Sydney Metro stations
 * S-line/Sydney Metro left/North West Metro
 * S-line/Sydney Metro right/North West Metro

canceled project, so there will be no stations (see Sydney Metro). Frietjes (talk) 16:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete all Unused and never likely to be required. Sw2nd (talk) 00:45, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Speedway helmet color

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedway helmet color

Unused. DH85868993 (talk) 14:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete unneeded shortcut for unclear purpose. -- Selket Talk 15:50, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:PSD
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * PSD

Unused. DH85868993 (talk) 14:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete unneeded shortcut to save about ten keystrokes. -- Selket Talk 15:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete boilerplate text -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 11:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Lebanese Premier League 2007-08
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:03, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Lebanese Premier League 2007-08

Unused and just contains the text: "The template Lebanese Premier League 2007-2008 lists all association football clubs competing in the current season of the Lebanese Premier League." DH85868993 (talk) 14:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. &#9733;&#9734; <font color="Green">DUCK IS <font color="Green">PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 12:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Stock characters
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Stock characters

This template was nominated by on June 30, but it was never listed (or possibly removed out of process, but I saw no evidence of such). I'm not too concerned with whether it's deleted, though it seems rather random to me. szyslak ( t ) 10:46, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Keep. It's a handy reference template of the different tropes of characters that exist for writers to use. To delete this template would be doing a disservice to the writers who use it for character reference. Creativity-II (talk) 11:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Reasonable navbox for the topic, although "Jewish Mother stereotype" might raise some issues. -- Selket Talk 15:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Argh. No. Completely arbitrary list of tropes which would be better developed on That Other Wiki. I suspect that if anyone had the gumption to nominate most of those articles for deletion (which is the correct thing to do) then this wouldn't navigate very many articles at all. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Many of the microstubs (eg Archimime) have 1 or 2 references. It might be ideal to merge the content in those, into List of stock characters. That will improve the list article, and focus the template, and rescue the RS content from the microstubs without having to worry about AFD/prod.  So, Cleanup. Merge micro-content. (struck July 23) -- Quiddity (talk) 02:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Update: It didn't go as far as I hoped. I merged these articles into the main list - Archimime, Farmer's daughter (character), Grande dame, Romantic interest, Tarzanesque - but the rest are too extensive to fit well. At this point, the only real options to head towards are either, (1) strict inclusion criteria (suggestions?), (2) just add all the articles in Category:Stock characters. (or (3) delete, but that's going to be difficult to find consensus for in this round). [We really need a better evolution of seealso/category/navtemplate for these situations :/ ] -- Quiddity (talk) 07:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment we have an article on it Stock character, so seems like there can be a template for it. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 11:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, but Cleanup. In general, "All articles within the template relate to a single, coherent subject" and "The subject of the template is mentioned in every article." It's just that the Miscellaneous section needs to be sorted into a few more groups and possibly have a few articles removed. Pokedigi (talk) 01:15, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Trinidad and Tobago
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Trinidad and Tobago

Unused. DH85868993 (talk) 08:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Duplicates Flag, etc. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Do you want to delete Wikipedia:Inline templates linking country articles and everything in it? Sw2nd (talk) 00:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No - I'm quite happy for there to be a list of all the country templates; but as far as I can tell, Trinidad and Tobago is the only country which has its own "personal" list (of 1). Also note that Wikipedia:Inline templates linking country articles doesn't reference Trinidad and Tobago - it references TTO and TRI. DH85868993 (talk) 03:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good - thanks for clearing that up! Sw2nd (talk) 03:54, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete and redirect to Trinidad and Tobago topics. (once orphaned, reuse the name) -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 05:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:RfA heading
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:03, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * RfA heading

Unused. DH85868993 (talk) 08:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete This appears to have been abandoned in favor of RfA -- Selket Talk 15:47, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete extra 999  ( talk ) 08:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Start CountryLink box
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Start CountryLink box

Unused. DH85868993 (talk) 08:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * delete, redundant to s-line. Frietjes (talk) 16:58, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Join inclusionists
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The result of the discussion was move to Template:Inclusionist/doc, as it appears it has never been used for anything but documentation. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:15, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Join inclusionists

Unused. DH85868993 (talk) 06:41, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment if you joined, wouldn't you remove the template, or if you didn't join as well? Would this also be susbted? -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 09:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment When I nominated this template for deletion, it looked like this:
 * {| cellpadding=10

All you have to do to become a member of this project is cut and paste:'''
 * - valign=top style="background:#ffffcc;"

...to your user page.
 * }
 * and it wasn't clear to me what "this project" was. Since then, it's been updated to look like this:
 * {| cellpadding=10 border=1

All you have to do to become a member of this project is cut and paste:'''
 * - valign=top style="background:#ffffcc;"

...to your user page. WikiProject Inclusion Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians
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 * }


 * so "this project" obviously refers to WikiProject Inclusion. DH85868993 (talk) 11:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Oh the irony. Let them have their fun. We can find something else to delete. -- Selket Talk 15:44, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * delete, nothing wrong with inclusionists, but there is no evidence to suggest this has been used in the four years it has existed. Frietjes (talk) 22:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not the template inclusionist. It's only a template instructing you to add the template, which seems a step too far. Sw2nd (talk)
 * Comment we have an entire category filled with such templates Category:WikiProject invitation templates -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 04:11, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * OK - if it's good for all those wannabes, they can include it with the rest of their toys. Sw2nd (talk) 05:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * 76.65.131.160 has accurately pointed out that this is another one of those daft subst-only invite templates that people spam out to get people to join their clubs. As such it's perfectly appropriate. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete – This template is essentially instructions on how to use another template. As such, it is "documentation" and should be placed in a subpage of the template it documents, for example Template:Inclusionist/doc. <span style="border-bottom: 2px solid #FF4500; font-family:Palatino Linotype, serif;">Senator2029&#8239;•&#8239;talk 02:36, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:National cricket association
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:07, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * National cricket association

Unused and broken. DH85868993 (talk) 06:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete extra 999  ( talk ) 08:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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Supertram templates
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Start Supertram box
 * Start Supertram Stop

Unused. DH85868993 (talk) 04:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete not sure what this was used for, but it's not used for anything at this point. -- Selket Talk 15:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I created this template ages ago, and unlike the previous two arguments, I'd like to add that it is actually in use on a number of pages (ex. Hillsborough Interchange; Meadowhall Interchange; Sheffield station) and was created in the same vein as train templates which show the preceding and following stations. Yet, I must admit that since only a small percentage of supertram stops have their own page (usually bundled with a railway interchange), the template is rather worthless. Pafcool2 (talk) 19:27, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The listed pages use s-rail and s-rail-next (with "|title=Supertram"), not the templates listed above. DH85868993 (talk) 22:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
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