Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 July 28



Template:Country flag IOC alias ATT

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted. G3. The Bushranger One ping only 04:55, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Country flag IOC alias ATT

This is a malformed template (it is supposed to be an image, but the image isn't displaying), representing a nonexistent team of autistic child athletes, who supposedly compete at the School Olympic Games, an event that does not actually exist. It is one of the pages created in an apparent walled garden of hoaxes. See Articles for deletion/2012 Summer School Olympics for further details. Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:56, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:FurtherReading

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G8 by AnomieBOT ⚡  17:10, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * FurtherReading

Just transcludes a nonexistent template (FurtherReadingContent which was deleted on 2 June 2012). The only transclusion of FurtherReading is from the template's own talk page. DH85868993 (talk) 15:59, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Largest Metropolitan Areas of Uttar Pradesh

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The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Largest Metropolitan Areas of Uttar Pradesh

A metropolitan area should have a minimum population of 4 million. None of the cities in the template fall under that category. &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  11:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Metropolitan areas are described in terms of living style, infrastructure, games,culture and other relevant stuff.For importantly if you think "A metropolitan area should have a minimum population of 4 million" you could have ask me to move or you could do that.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣  13:50, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It differs from country to country. In India, a region is defined as a metropolitan area only if it's UA has a population of 4 million. &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  15:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That is not exactly true i must say.In india metro status is given in different manner.
 * Range of area of Metropolitan cities : 51.74 – 603 sq. km. can be given metro status.
 * cities having area of 200 sq. km. or above can be given metro status.
 * and cities having area below 100 sq. km can also be given metro status. -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣  15:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you please give me the link which confirms the claim of 4 million-- D Big X ray   15:14, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Inappropriate nomination, the nominator does not claim which WP:TFD does this template violate. This template may need to be appropriately renamed per consensus.-- D Big X ray  15:21, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The template is redundant to other templates such as Template:Uttar Pradesh topics and Template:Cities of India . &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  15:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Both these templates are not defining anything about cities in uttar prades -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣  16:14, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * How this template is redundant to Template:Uttar Pradesh topics? 25 Cents FC, add citation in the template/article. See a similar template Template:Largest cities of Bangladesh -- Tito Dutta   ✉  22:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've already provided in article -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣  07:40, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep with possible changes, like renaming the template and addition of the source. Also, the nominator does not say which criteria is being fulfilled by this template under WP:TFD. IMO, the template does not fulfill any of the 4 criteria, and can be improved to better suit the project. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 23:17, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Firstly, "largest" is a POV term and should not be used. Secondly, there are no provinces in Uttar Pradesh as the template claims. Thirdly, as far as I know, 2011 India census results haven't been publicly released. Whatever is available is provisional and subject to change. Lastly, as the nominator has mentioned, the template is redundant.- Ravi My Tea Kadai 03:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment to Ravi Your concern of POV region have been solved.I'v changed it to divisions of UP.Please see. -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣  14:25, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment to Ravi First of all let me remind you that population of india have been publicly released.Only caste based census is yet to release. Visit their site and check it out.I don't know based on what nominator has said template is redundant,the templates he has mentioned describe nothing about the cities in U.P. -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS <sup style="color:black;">☣  07:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've visited the site many times and have never come across any page titled "Census 2011 results" only "Provisional data of 2011 census". Check out . The 2011 India Census page also says only provisional data is available. When I contacted the "Census 2011" stall-keepers at the Chennai Book Fair they told that actual census data would be out by August 2012. However, either the data is yet to be released or their website is yet to be updated.- Ravi <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My Tea Kadai 09:46, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we are getting off with the topic.here consensus is whether template violate any wikipedia policy or not. Let population discuss leave -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS <sup style="color:black;">☣  14:13, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not off-topic at all. It only proves that the stats given in the template are not the final results of 2011 census. And then, there are no "provinces" in UP as the template claims.- Ravi <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My Tea Kadai 01:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * what, "provinces" ?.which part of template claims.For a since you're saying Census has not been finally declared.This should be mean(according to you) that all the states and cities of india having provisional data and need to be remove.is this so ? 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS <sup style="color:black;">☣   04:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment There are many contradicting sources and the census authority does not clearly define the criteria for a Metropolitan area. for me seems to be a well defined one. "Range of area of Metropolitan cities  : 51.74 – 603 sq. km. can be given metro status". I'm afraid, when Haora is a part of Kolkata Metropolitan area, how would that constitute a separate area. There is a small town called Valparai in Tamil Nadu with an area of  217 sq.km. Going by your logic, I can even say Valparai would constitute a metropolitan area. Now coming to cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata, Chennai, Banaglore, Hyderabad we have a separate authority like Chennai Metropolitan Development Authority. There are not metros on their own. Do we have that for every other city with a population of 1 million or more. Ghaziabad and Noida are a part of NCR. Lastly, as Ravi said, these are only provisional results, and are likely to change. &mdash; Vensatry  <sub style="color:indigo;">(Ping me)  04:22, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment to Vensatry You're saying that towns like Valparai with an area of 217 sq.km,Haora etc. are must given metro status.Let me tell you metro status is given in terms of other factors also.Like Place must have provided, industrial development, basic requirements,connectivity(in terms of rail,road & air) to other cities of india,Place should aslo have importance in country and lots of thing.Area matters but the thing mentioned matter more.I'm not saying this The Ministry of Urban Development is responsible for formulating these policies. Valparai and Haora are nothing more than a town or a blocks. cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata, Chennai, Banaglore, Hyderabad are having special status.Ghaziabad and Noida both the cities are situated in U.P so they are first part of the state, NCR later.I hope this much helps. -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS <sup style="color:black;">☣   07:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Guys we dont work that way, the personal opinion of both is of no use if you do not have reliable sources to back up your claim. so get a better source that clearly says about the metropolitan claim.-- D Big X ray  12:13, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Template is clearly made with the help of proper sources. -- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS <sup style="color:black;">☣  07:14, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't think there is any reason to delete it. However a move can be requested using the nominator's rational, if there is a source to verify it. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛  Talk Email 07:55, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment based on above consensus I have started discussion on Template talk:Largest Metropolitan Areas of Uttar Pradesh for a possible rename and contents of the template.-- D Big X ray  12:13, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Per the talk page consensus I have removed the word Metropolitan from the Heading of the template. I have not moved the page, due to the Pending TfD. once the TfD is closed I will move the Template to a new Title per page consensus. -- D Big X ray  18:13, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Symbols of Thailand
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbols of Thailand

Fails WP:NAVBOX. The subjects are different and varied in nature, they don't form a single coherent subject, and it would make no sense to mention the golden shower tree in the Asian elephant article. If say fifty countries had national flowers and all of them had such a template, the result would be template spam in a lot of flower articles, with minimal relevance to each individual topic. A category already exists. 180.180.148.46 (talk) 08:33, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment it has an article National symbols of Thailand, so do seem to form a single coherent subject. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 03:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * keep, no different than say Infobox U.S. state symbols. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 21:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you may be confused. That template is an infobox; this one is a navbox meant to be placed on every linked article. --101.109.218.176 (talk) 11:42, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * no confusion here, the point is that navigating between symbols is a valid idea (see Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Symbols of, Special:PrefixIndex/Template:National symbols of, and Category:National symbol templates since you seem to like navboxes). 198.102.153.2 (talk) 20:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, there are quite a similar navboxes out there; just pointing out that you may not have picked the best example for comparison. If you look at the each member of Category:National symbol templates, though, most of them seem to link among topics exclusively relevant to the topic (e.g. flag, coat of arms, crown jewels), which is different from this template, which includes as its entries the Asian Elephant, golden shower tree and sala (architecture), topics which are fundamentally unrelated, and share only the minor characteristic of being regarded as a national symbol of Thailand. That other stuff exists is not a valid argument anyway. --115.67.2.119 (talk) 01:39, 1 August 2012 (UTC) (Same person, on different IP)
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Template:Compatibility
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Compatibility

Very general template. Only transcluded in one article (List of MicroWorlds Logo commands). Subst and delete? DH85868993 (talk) 06:12, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete weird hatnote like box -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 03:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
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NCAABB seasons templates
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * NCAABB seasons start
 * NCAABB seasons table row

Only transcluded by each other. It's unclear to me whether "NCAABB" refers to NCAA Basketball or NCAA Baseball, but it possibly doesn't matter. NCAABB seasons table coach row was deleted on 25 December 2011. DH85868993 (talk) 05:19, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Storyland
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:15, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Storyland

Unused. Purpose unclear (to me). Possibly intended to be transcluded into SMPH? DH85868993 (talk) 04:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete probably won't be missed anyways.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just for Context Storyland is an amusement center that is usually housed in an SM mall. This template translates to "malls large enough to house a large arcade center"..-- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:25, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That's still not context, since you assume that we know what "SM" means, and I don't. Ego White Tray (talk) 12:38, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "SM" is simply the malls' name. Isn't the info available at SMPH?-- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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Template:SCOTUSjustices
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The result of the discussion was Delete. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 04:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * SCOTUSjustices

Unused. Supreme Court of the United States and Retired justices of the Supreme Court of the United States already contain embedded wikitables, so I find it difficult to imagine where this would be used. DH85868993 (talk) 01:51, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong delete Template has existed for six years but is unused. Safiel (talk) 19:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Islamic Association in Sweden
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The result of the discussion was Delete --Philosopher Let us reason together. 04:44, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Islamic Association in Sweden

Zero transclusions, and the purpose is unclear (consists mainly of a decorative image of the Swedish ensign). While there is an article on Wikipedia titled "Islamic Association in Stockholm", "Islamic Association in Sweden" does not exist.  Super Mario  Man  00:58, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Sandboxer23sig
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The result of the discussion was Delete. WOSlinker (talk) 10:25, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sandboxer23sig

One transclusion only, to the creator's sandbox. I question whether a user's signature (for I assume that is what "sig" means) necessitates its own template.  Super Mario  Man  00:48, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as if this is a signature, it is a massive violation of signature policy. DON'T LOOK AT IT, IT WILL MAKE YOU GO BLIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ego White Tray (talk) 03:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete or Userfy this, Seems to be a template test page, unlikely to be of any use for wikipedia-- D Big X ray   15:18, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete as test page. Safiel (talk) 19:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
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