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Template:Latest preview software release/INFOBOX NAME

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The result of the discussion was Speedy. Unused, one author who requestd. Rich Farmbrough, 16:51, 19 March 2012 (UTC).


 * Latest preview software release/INFOBOX NAME

I created this in error. Was meant to be Template:Latest preview software release/LimeSurvey. Lostraven (talk) 21:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A speedy delete candidate. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:35, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
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2012 NCAA men's soccer standings templates

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 2012 America East men's soccer standings
 * 2012 ACC men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Atlantic Sun men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Atlantic 10 men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Big East Blue Division men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Big East Red Division men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Big South Conference men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Big Ten men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Big West men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Conference USA men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Horizon League men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Ivy League men's soccer standings
 * 2012 Pacific-12 Conference men's soccer standings

Unused templates. If they are going to serve some future use, perhaps they can be sent to user space instead. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 21:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete not only are they orphaned but they are red link farms too. Cloudz 679 13:46, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete or userfy since they don't seem used. Not that there's anything wrong with red-link farms if the subjects are notable. Rich Farmbrough, 16:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC).


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Template:Infobox public organisation

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox public organisation

Redundant since it's been reimplemented as a wrapper around infobox organization. Substitution will convert all existing deployments. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:06, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant (speaking as the editor who made it a wrapper). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:28, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Emmerdaleminor

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Emmerdaleminor

This template is redundant as the yearly character lists are now included on Emmerdale characters. JuneGloom   Talk  19:54, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is just not needed anymore. Like said above, listed elsewhere in one nice compact template. I never understood the need for all these off-shoot templates when they can be housed in one grouped one. IMO Emmerdale characters makes it much easier for readers to navigate. Rain  the 1  23:00, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Hb team

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hb team

Unused utility template, presumably forked from fb team and abandoned. Co-nom with everything in Category:Hb team templates Spain, a series of templates which all transclude this but are unused themselves. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:15, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary U+003F<tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Fb finals
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:41, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fb finals

Unused results template which duplicates the likes of footballbox. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:10, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Hb cl header
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:41, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hb cl header

either a misspelling or an aborted fork. Unused. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Fb report
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:43, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fb report

Unused utility template. All useful data points are already contained within other templates, like footballbox. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Fb map
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:43, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fb map

Used on exactly two pages and broken on one of them. Substitution is fine here, as the underlying code is a standard location map+. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:06, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unnecessary; substitute where used <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Assist
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:43, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Assist

WP:ICONDECORATION, WP:TRIVIA. Assists are not typically notable enough to include in summaries, and even if they were it wouldn't be in the form of a football boot-shaped smudge. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — this is horrible; and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:ICONDECORATION, and further soccer is not the only thing with assists, so this use of the name "assist" is prejudicial against all other uses. 70.24.251.224 (talk) 05:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:National football squad start -2
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:44, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * National football squad start -2
 * National football squad start (recent, version 3)
 * National football squad start (recent, version 2)
 * National football squad start (goals, version 3)
 * National football squad player (recent, version 3)
 * National football squad player (recent, version 2)
 * National football squad player (goals, version 3)
 * National football squad player (goals, version 2)

Unused and unnecessary forks of the national football squad start system. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Fb BPL no schedule
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:44, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fb BPL no schedule

Per this High Court ruling, the primary rationale behind not including fixture lists (their alleged copyright status) is no longer valid. Including fixture lists should be a matter of editorial discretion, and we don't need a disclaimer template. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:10, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If thats the case then we clearly don't need this. The way i am reading it, does this still not need to be passed by a uk court for a final ruling. Probably a formality though. I may be reading it wrong though. Edinburgh  Wanderer  22:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — I think this is justification enough for pulling the disclaimer. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Fsi keys
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:44, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fsi keys

Unused bit of glossary. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Fsu
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fsu

Unused and unnecessary. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:00, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Football squad player/captain
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Football squad player/captain
 * Football squad player/onloanfrom
 * Football squad player/onloanto

Unused and longer than the text it ostensibly standardises. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Football squad2 assistant manager
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Football squad2 assistant manager

Unused and unnecessary. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Football squad player/role/DC
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The result of the discussion was delete the ones that are orphaned, no consensus for the rest. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:46, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Football squad player/role/DC
 * Football squad player/role/DL
 * Football squad player/role/FC
 * Football squad player/role/MC
 * Football squad player/role/ML
 * Football squad player/role/WG
 * Football squad player/role/ST
 * Football squad player/role/MF FW
 * Football squad player/role/GK
 * Football squad player/role/DR
 * Football squad player/role/DF MF
 * Football squad player/role/CF
 * Football squad player/role/MR
 * Football squad player/role/MF
 * Football squad player/role/FW
 * Football squad player/role/DM
 * Football squad player/role/DF
 * Football squad player/role/AM

Largely unused and wholly unnecessary. This will empty category:association football position templates. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Used on all the Football season's that I've been keeping upto date. Usefully for distinguishing between starts & substitute appearances. Maybe cut down amount of roles to the generic GK, DF, MF, FW? --Dave logic (talk) 12:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be necessary to link "midfielder" ten or fifteen times in an article. Doing it once is enough. At the very least it should be stripped down to the four you've listed, though. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Lots of season articles use these templates. 2011-12 St. Mirren F.C. season, 2011-12 Hibernian F.C. season, 2011-12 Heart of Midlothian F.C. season. Adam4267 (talk) 21:20, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And they shouldn't, per WP:OVERLINK. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough but this as a consistent problem not just on the ones mentioned. However they are widely used and to me necessary. A compromise of leaving the generic ones seems fair enough as the majority of those may rarely be used. Edinburgh  Wanderer  23:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Was this edit to remove this template from Template:Extended football squad player not a bit quick on the draw. Edinburgh   Wanderer  21:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It was by request. Furthermore, removing auto-linkage helps to show how little direct use (i.e. not called through another template) these all see. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:43, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * if the main ones are kept then it really should be reinstated. I think its clear most people want it as part of that template. And looking at the request it seems to me it was because it was at TFD. The problem is there is over linking and not linking at all. Edinburgh  Wanderer  15:38, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, reinstating it simply results in overlinking again. The role can easily be manually linked in the first instance. "I think its clear most people want it as part of that template" is a statement without evidence, let alone a convincing rationale. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You removed it without consensus. Its been there since the template was created. Ive reverted you until you get that. And given all comments here were about useful in season articles from this template. Edinburgh  Wanderer  14:09, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - for all the reasons already listed. Edinburgh  Wanderer  22:27, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete the ones that are not used, Keep those widely used (GK, DF, MF and FW) and substitute those used only a couple of times (CF x1, DC x2, ST x2) <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: this template is very helpful for season articles 75.182.48.154 (talk) 22:10, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep- for Edinburgh's reasons above — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.68.251.245 (talk) 20:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * We're getting a lot of "per X" comments here. Just to point out that right now, the only ones which are used at all on articles are GK / DF / MF / FW. There's no excuse for retaining the rest as we don't retain things in templatespace indefinitely simply because someone at a Tfd feels it might be useful. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree as a compromise the main ones being kept is fine. When it was linked to that template was anymore of the others in use. I would of thought ST may have been used but thats just a guess. Edinburgh  Wanderer  15:38, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not talking about a compromise. I'm talking about a worst-case scenario. All of them should still be deleted, but on the off chance that anyone can convincingly explain why the arguments to deletion are not valid (rather than just chirping in with "it's useful") that would provide some excuse for retaining the ones that are actually in use (all on the same handful of articles, by the way). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Chris there is no reason to delete the ones that are used. Your rationale of largely unused and unnecessary is no better than the arguments to keep them. Edinburgh  Wanderer  14:09, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Edinburgh has a good point. At the very least we should KEEP the four major ones. The others are still helpful because they are specific.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.68.251.245 (talk) 20:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it would help to split this TfD, as bulking all 18 templates together is muddying the waters. We seem to have reached a consensus that the 14 unused templates can go. We could then return to the remaining four to discuss if they are "useful" or just "widely used". <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 10:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Im not so sure we even have that. Only two you and me have suggested that. Edinburgh  Wanderer  14:09, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right. But I don't think we need any consensus to delete the 14 unused templates; WP:TFD would suggest that only used templates should be discussed. Whatever the rules are, I think the used and unused templates should be considerded separately. Cheers. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 14:51, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't have any objections to that if no one else does. As you said there are a few others being used but they could be substituted. Edinburgh  Wanderer  15:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Potential value for use in other templates, if that were demonstrated I would !vote keep. Rich Farmbrough, 16:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC).


 * Keep - clearly not underused would have detrimental impact if deleted. I would however support Dave's suggestion cutting down the amount of roles to the generic ones. ★☆ DUCK IS JAMMMY ☆★ 16:57, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep GK/DF/MF/FW, widely used and highly convenient in displays of football data. Delete others which are rarely if ever used and are over-specific. El Pharao (talk) 21:09, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and get rid of the warning to discuss. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The only issue I have is that it is opposed to WP:REPEATLINK, but that's minor when we're only talking about two characters. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep because the discuss warning is annoying to look at on season pages  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.68.251.245 (talk) 20:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - Take a look at the season page that I have been editing this season for Carlisle. If you delete them then everywhere abbreviations are used you are going to have to explicitly explain those. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 21:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


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Template:Football squad player/role/
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Football squad player/role/

Legacy code which no longer does anything but emit a non-breaking space. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Football squad badge
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Football squad badge

Unused, unnecessary, and generally ill-advised. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:National football teams of Europe
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * National football teams of Europe

orphaned and redundant to the per-confederation navboxes that are in use on each team's respective articles. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — unused and unnecessary <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 18:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:National football manager
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * National football manager
 * National football managers

Unused and redundant to other football squad templates. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — redundant. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 11:24, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Football squad simple start
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Football squad simple start
 * Football squad simple player
 * Football squad simple mid
 * Football squad simple end

Fork of the football squad start system intended for articles on clubs at a level where shirt numbers and nationalities are less of an issue. The only article that ever used them was Tranmere Rovers L.F.C., which has now been transitioned back to football squad start. Ultimately, support for omitting fields can be added to the main template: consensus has been that the number of forks of this sort of template has led to an unwanted level of inconsistency and confusion between editors on how to lay out squad sections in articles. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete — agreed. Possible omission of fields should be part of the primary template, rather than (my) creation of a new fork. <tt style="color:gray">U+003F</tt><tt style="color:red">?</tt> 11:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox SpongeBob episode
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:41, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox SpongeBob episode

Deprecated for Infobox television episode, as unneeded. There were 100 transclusions, some of the SpongeBob SquarePants episode articles have been merged or deleted. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  02:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete—redundant.  Imzadi 1979  →   04:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
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