Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 September 22



Template:Infobox University of Notre Dame residence hall

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The result of the discussion was no consensus for merging with infobox building. There may be some consensus for merging a larger number of these templates into a generic "residential college" template, but no formal discussion of such a proposal was initiated. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 20:18, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox University of Notre Dame residence hall
 * Infobox building

Propose merging Infobox University of Notre Dame residence hall (18 transclusions) with Template:Infobox building.

Overly specific and includes trivia; I suggest we remove the latter and merge the rest into Infobox building (or is there something more specific?) - as a last resort, make more general. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:41, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge with
 * Template:Infobox Cal Poly College (3 transclusions)
 * Template:Infobox Cambridge college (34)
 * Template:Infobox Canterbury College (2)
 * Template:Infobox Durham college (7)
 * Template:Infobox Kent College (6)
 * Template:Infobox Lancaster College (9)
 * Template:Infobox Otago college (14)
 * Template:Infobox Oxbridge college (21)
 * Template:Infobox Oxford college (48)
 * Template:Infobox Rice residential college (1)
 * Template:Infobox TAMU College (7)
 * Template:Infobox University of Queensland colleges (13)
 * Template:Infobox UST college (20)
 * Template:Infobox York college (8)
 * Template:Infobox Yale residential college (14)
 * These are all the same type of institution, as far as I can see. Rich Farmbrough, 02:01, 15 September 2012 (UTC).


 * I've added transclusion counts to your list. Those should probably be merged into Infobox university (to which Infobox college redirects). There are a bunch of similar templates in Category:Universities and colleges infobox templates; for example Infobox Medical College (16 transclusions). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:52, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 20:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * keep pending a demonstration of how it is redundant (i.e., a diff showing the conversion, or some analysis of parameters to be added and information that would be removed). Frietjes (talk) 23:35, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting that your cut'n'paste response is attempting to refute an argument that hasn't been made. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:40, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Scotland school

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. It may be that this template is redundant to either "Infobox UK school" or "Infobox school", but it's not clear which parameters in this template are incompatible with the more generic template. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 20:23, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox Scotland school

Redundant to Infobox UK school or Infobox school. Has only 15 transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:25, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - it has a number of features not present in those other infoboxes. --Vclaw (talk) 16:32, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Which features? are they used in the 15 instances f this infobox, and if so in how many? Why are they needed? Why could they not be included in one or other, or both, of the other infoboxes? What is it about the 15 schools using this infobox, that makes them different to Scottish schools using those other infoboxes? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:27, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * keep pending a demonstration of how it is redundant (i.e., a diff showing the conversion, or some analysis of parameters to be added and information that would be removed). Frietjes (talk) 23:36, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Simpsons characters

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The result of the discussion was no consensus, although there may be support for with merging this template with the other Simpsons character template, or for rewriting this as a frontend for the more generic "Infobox character" template. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 20:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox Simpsons characters

Redundant to Infobox character. Has only 2 transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:23, 22 September 2012 (UTC) "'Several of these characters have appeared in both The Simpsons and the Tracey Ullman Show shorts, so the current template allows for the first appearances in both shows to be easily displayed. You can say that the parameter could be included in a generic template, but then it would have to be 'First appearance in the Tracey Ullman Shorts' and that is too long. The current one looks better than a generic one possibly could. As well, the generic template contains several fields that we really don't want to go to, including episode count, nicknames, age (which caused a LOT of edit wars when the field was on this template), nationality, religion, date of birth/death and created by. I can guarantee that these fields would cause edit wars if the fans could add them to pages.'"
 * Strong keep, and I will quote User:Scorpion0422 from Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_October_6:
 * Theleftorium (talk) 20:56, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Per Theleftorium and all previous discussions regarding the proposed deletion of this template. The show has more than enough content to justify having its own template for the characters. --  Anc516  (Talk ▪ Contribs) 01:36, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete - Most shows do not have fictional character infoboxes; besides, more than suffices despite the...erm...minor setbacks that Theleftorium commented on. The Simpsons is no different from any other show and should not get special priviledges with its own infobox. How about adding a note telling other editors not to edit? Redundant templates have no place on Wikipedia.  Cyan Gardevoir  (used EDIT!) 22:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as unnecessary in light of infobox character. The arguments of Simpsons characters needing special variable is unconvincing.  —   fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  23:11, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep per the same quote that Theleftorium points out. -DJSasso (talk) 15:09, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Simpsons character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Although, there may be support for rewriting the template as a frontend for the more generic "Infobox character" template. Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 20:31, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox Simpsons character

Redundant to Infobox character. Has only 38 transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:22, 22 September 2012 (UTC) "'Several of these characters have appeared in both The Simpsons and the Tracey Ullman Show shorts, so the current template allows for the first appearances in both shows to be easily displayed. You can say that the parameter could be included in a generic template, but then it would have to be 'First appearance in the Tracey Ullman Shorts' and that is too long. The current one looks better than a generic one possibly could. As well, the generic template contains several fields that we really don't want to go to, including episode count, nicknames, age (which caused a LOT of edit wars when the field was on this template), nationality, religion, date of birth/death and created by. I can guarantee that these fields would cause edit wars if the fans could add them to pages.'"
 * Strong keep per previous deletion discussion, and I will quote User:Scorpion0422 from Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_October_6:
 * Theleftorium (talk) 20:57, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Per Theleftorium and all previous discussions regarding the proposed deletion of this template. The show has more than enough content to justify having its own template for the characters. --  Anc516  (Talk ▪ Contribs) 01:36, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Infobox is specifically suited for Simpsons characters.  Dough 48  72  15:59, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete - Most shows do not have fictional character infoboxes; besides, more than suffices despite the...erm...minor setbacks that Theleftorium commented on. The Simpsons is no different from any other show and should not get special priviledges with its own infobox. How about adding a note telling other editors not to edit? Redundant templates have no place on Wikipedia.  Cyan Gardevoir  (used EDIT!) 22:50, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERCRAPDOESNTEXIST. -- Scorpion <sup style="color:black;">0422  15:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as unnecessary in light of infobox character. The arguments of Simpsons characters needing special variable is unconvincing.  —   fourthords  &#124; =Λ= &#124;  23:11, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * As I explained years ago, more-so than having the extra field, the show-exclusive template also allows the controlling of what gets added. It's easy to say Simpsons articles don't need "special variables" when you aren't the one that would have to deal with the edit wars. -- Scorpion <sup style="color:black;">0422  15:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Theleftorium above. <span style="font-family:'tahoma bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;"> NYSM talk page  04:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep per the same quote that Theleftorium points out. -DJSasso (talk) 15:09, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Both of the oppose votes are along the lines of "why should The Simpsons get special treatment?" rather than being based in any policy. -- Scorpion <sup style="color:black;">0422  15:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox State government IN
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. It may be that this template is redundant to "Infobox legislature" or another infobox template, but it's not clear which parameters in this template are incompatible with the more generic template. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 20:37, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox State government IN

Redundant to Infobox legislature. Has only 40 transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:17, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * keep pending a demonstration of how it is redundant (i.e., a diff showing the conversion, or some analysis of parameters to be added and information that would be removed). Frietjes (talk) 23:36, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Bangkok weatherbox
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Bangkok weatherbox

This template was previously nominated for deletion as single-use, but was kept since it wasn't clear that the reasons for the mass nomination applied. I have subst'ed the template into the Bangkok article, so now it's orphaned. I guess this means the template may now be deleted? (I'm not sure how the contributor history should be dealt with though.) Paul_012 (talk) 13:44, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * delete, if you want to save the history, first move it to a subpage of Bangkok, then redirect it to that section. Frietjes (talk) 16:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Massacre
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The result of the discussion was keep, but rename. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:42, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Massacre

Although four group members have their own article, the fact that there are only two (2) albums makes the navigation template superfluos as this can easily be solved with wikilinking. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 13:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep -
 * 1) Terry Butler does not link to "Rick Rozz", "Kam Lee", "Bill Andrews (drummer)" nor "Allen West (musician)" without the navbox
 * 2) Rick Rozz does not link to "Terry Butler", "Kam Lee", "Steve Swanson", "Bill Andrews (drummer)" nor "Allen West (musician)" without the navbox
 * 3) Kam Lee does not link to "Steve Swanson", "Bill Andrews (drummer)" nor From Beyond (album) without the navbox
 * 4) Steve Swanson does not link to "Rick Rozz", "Kam Lee", "Steve Swanson", From Beyond (album) nor Inhuman Condition
 * 5) Bill Andrews (drummer) does not link to "Terry Butler", "Rick Rozz", "Kam Lee", "Steve Swanson" nor "Allen West (musician)" without the navbox
 * 6) Allen West (musician) does not link to "Terry Butler", "Rick Rozz", "Kam Lee", "Steve Swanson", "Bill Andrews (drummer)", From Beyond (album) nor Inhuman Condition without the navbox
 * 7) From Beyond (album) does not link to "Steve Swanson" nor "Allen West (musician)" without the navbox
 * 8) Inhuman Condition does not link to "Allen West" without the navbox


 * Any questions?--Jax 0677 (talk) 14:59, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * keep, has enough links, but rename to . Frietjes (talk) 16:27, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Jax 0677 (talk) 13:36, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * rename this isn't about massacre so should be renamed to match the head article. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 22:54, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Touch (2012 TV series)
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:41, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Touch (2012 TV series)

Too few articles. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:05, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * delete due to the lack of links. Frietjes (talk) 16:29, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Two episode articles of a short-lived series and links to the production companies which are already in the main article. No need for a navbox.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 03:51, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Disney XD Original Movies
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Disney XD Original Movies

WP:NENAN Cyan Gardevoir  (used EDIT!) 03:14, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete One film does not need a navbox.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 03:45, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Yousef S Al-Amody
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yousef S Al-Amody

Unsourced biography of a person whose notability is uncertain; obviously inappropriate for this namespace. Clear candidate for WP:BLPPROD if it were an article.  Super Mario  Man  01:58, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * delete, pretty obvious editing test. Frietjes (talk) 23:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. I concur with all of the comments above. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:31, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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Template:PerformerResearch/sandbox
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G8 by AnomieBOT ⚡  06:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * PerformerResearch/sandbox

User sandbox in incorrect namespace.  Super Mario  Man  00:52, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete PerformerResearch does not exist, so this is a template sandbox page dependent on a nonexistant page. Aside from that, it's broken and is trying to use HTML anchors and HTML links which don't work on MediaWiki. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 03:25, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Information Starter
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G2 by AnomieBOT ⚡  06:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Information Starter

Implausibly-named, half-filled-out description page for a person of uncertain notability; possible test effort.  Super Mario  Man  00:40, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete this could only ever be used in one article, and it's broken, so it can't be used anyways ; highly generic name for a highly specific use -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 03:23, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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