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Template:US state and territory history

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * US state and territory history

As per Templates for discussion/Log/2012 August 26, another confusing (for those not familiar with US postal district abbreviations), pointlessly decorative and misplaced that duplicates U.S. political divisions histories which already appears in the articles examined in the proper place. JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 16:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete for the same reason as the other template: U.S. political divisions histories is cleaner and easier to read, and does not handicap those who do not know the state's abbreviation. Thundersnow (talk) 12:27, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete We don't need two navigation methods and the navbox is good enough. The reason you give for not knowing what the abbreviations are is bullshit. When you move you mouse over the two letters the full name of the state is revealed. Did you try it? What's wrong with that? It would also give you the advantage of navigating by geographic location - but we don't need two ways. Secondarywaltz (talk) 12:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * What's wrong is not all, I suspect very few, users know to do that. The vast majority of web sites don't put useful information in a tooltip. They don't know how, or they don't care, or they'd prefer users click on a link as they make money off every page view. But even if all users know it navigating by tooltip is a poor second-best to simply reading the names of the links properly spelled out, as they are in U.S. political divisions histories. Otherwise we'd replace names in navigation templates with numbers as it would be far more compact.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 13:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: This template provides a useful alternative to Template:U.S. political divisions histories.  WikiProject United States History and the individual U.S. state WikiProjects should be free to choose this template if they so elect.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  15:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No project chose it. You created it, as another was deleted for near identical reasons, then immediately without consultation proceeded to spam it across multiple articles, adding a navigation template to the See also section against the layout guidelines, ignoring the perfectly good navigation template that was already there, and without edit summaries presumably so other editors could not easily tell what you were doing.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 15:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This template was created five days ago. Any WikiProject that wants to keep this template may.  Any WikiProject that wishes to remove this template may.  What is your problem with the U.S. state WikiProjects choosing their own templates?  WikiProject Colorado chooses to keep this template.  Please quit harassing us.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  02:01, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * How is any of this harassment? As for WP:COLO I've had a look at the talk page and all I can see is a notice about you spamming See also section of articles with excessive links and a notice from you about this discussion.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 02:21, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Spamming apparently means contributing anything of which you don't approve.
 * I don't think links to other U.S. state histories can be considered excessive. Most historical events have regional impacts and reference to adjacent state histories is commonly very useful.  This map template facilitates regional searches.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  14:59, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I had rather hoped that Buaidh had gotten over his distressing fondness for immediately recreating and bulk-deploying lightly-altered versions of deleted templates. Apparently not. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:29, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:55, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * delete as clearly redundant to the standard navbox method. Frietjes (talk) 17:44, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox railway

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:31, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox railway

Redundant to Infobox rail line. Only one transclusion. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Rolling stock

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rolling stock

Redundant to Infobox train. Only one transclusion. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * delete, or redirect. Frietjes (talk) 17:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:SouthAustralianRailwayLineInfobox

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The result of the discussion was delete, after replacement. Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:11, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * SouthAustralianRailwayLineInfobox

Redundant to Infobox rail line; only a single transclusion. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * delete after replacement, although it would be nice to add the option to have the icon to the right of the name, which is the format used by dozens of these metro templates. Frietjes (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Paris transport network
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The result of the discussion was delete, after replacement. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:12, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox Paris transport network

Redundant to Infobox rail line; the list of lines belongs in a navbox. Only 19 transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:43, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * and the potential navbox info exists as Infobox Paris Network main content. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:21, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox WSR
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox WSR

Hard-coded instance of Infobox heritage railway; I've subst: the only two uses. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep This infobox is used on more than one page. By substituting the template they will each need editing when changes are made. Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete This was merely a completed copy of Infobox heritage railway and has already been replaced as noted. Secondarywaltz (talk) 23:19, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * delete and cut down or replace the infobox in List of rolling stock preserved on the West Somerset Railway, since the article is about the rolling stock and not about the railway in general. Frietjes (talk) 19:23, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox chinese rapid transit
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox chinese rapid transit

Fork of or redundant to Infobox rail line; only 83 transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:36, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * delete after replacement, although it would be nice to add the option to have the icon to the right of the name, which is the format used by dozens of these metro templates. Frietjes (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox LocomotiveNZR
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:57, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox LocomotiveNZR

Unused fork of Infobox locomotive. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:34, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * delete Frietjes (talk) 17:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox locomotive auto
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:51, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox locomotive auto

Apparent fork of (and redundant to) Infobox locomotive; only 6 transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * delete or redirect. Frietjes (talk) 17:42, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox j-rail service
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox j-rail service

Redundant to Infobox rail service; only 73 transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. While the remaining 73 articles still using this template might take some time to modify, I have slowly but steadily been switching Japanese train service articles from this infobox to the universal Infobox rail service. Having extensively used both, I can see no reasons for retaining a dedicated Japanese infobox when the universal infobox generally does the job better. --DAJF (talk) 08:52, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
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