Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 August 19



International organizations infoboxes

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:59, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Infobox Southern African Development Community
 * Infobox East African Community

Recently created single use templates with no prospect for other uses. They are just Infobox geopolitical organization with the parameters filled in for their respective articles. They should be substituted and deleted. See also these past discussions: Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_11 and Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_12. TDL (talk) 23:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom; as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:17, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 03:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Ali Fazal (talk) 21:35, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Catalan grammar

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The result of the discussion was template does not exist SporkBot (talk) 02:45, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Catalan grammar

Only 2 links, can just go in. — Lfdder (talk) 23:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep It was created by analogy to Template:German grammar and others, and everybody's OK with that. I've been trying to create the other articles, but I'm a bit busy. I've just created Catalan nouns. Maybe and alternative could be something like Template:Spanish, but I think that putting Catalan grammar in is a bad idea, it's too broad.--  Fauban  09:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Make it like Spanish and it overlaps with Catalan/Valencian cultural domain. A sidebar with only the two links still is ridiculous. — Lfdder (talk) 09:18, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Erm... So what should we do? is more about culture, etc. A separate template for the language should be created. Do I create Template:Catalan analogous to Template:Spanish and then we delete Template:Catalan grammar? (anyway, it now has 3 links)--  Fauban  09:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it would be easier to make the changes to Catalan grammar and then just move it to . I'm just worried it'll overlap with almost entirely (apart from the 3 extra links). — Lfdder (talk) 09:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm going to edit Template:Catalan grammar. I think is too all-encompassing. It should be simplified. I'll clean it up too. Thanks!--  Fauban  09:47, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Tfd withdrawn. — Lfdder (talk) 10:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Pride of Philadelphia Award

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:59, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Pride of Philadelphia Award

No navigational value, joins unrelated topics on the basis of winning a minor (defunct?) award. Already exists as a list at Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame. Resolute 23:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, the main article is enough for connecting the winners. Frietjes (talk) 23:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Navbox overkill. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Creatures of the slime

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Creatures of the slime

Navbox refers to a stamp series which doesn't even have an article, cluttering articles on Ediacara biota.  cyclopia  speak!  18:40, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, just because a group of species appear on stamps in some country doesn't mean we should link them with a navbox. Frietjes (talk) 22:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, template clutter, non-defining attribute. Resolute 23:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * delete as this is a tenuous navigation option. But put a statement in each article about the appearance of the organism on the stamp in that series instead. I don't think the stamp series is notable enough for an article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:56, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
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Template:RPI Engineers men's ice hockey roster

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * RPI Engineers men's ice hockey roster
 * Lindenwood Lady Lions women's ice hockey roster
 * Maine Black Bears men's ice hockey roster
 * Miami RedHawks men's ice hockey roster
 * Nebraska–Omaha Mavericks men's ice hockey roster
 * North Dakota Fighting Sioux men's ice hockey roster
 * Northern Michigan Wildcats men's ice hockey roster
 * Ohio State Buckeyes men's ice hockey roster
 * RIT Tigers men's ice hockey roster
 * Robert Morris Colonials men's ice hockey roster
 * Yale Bulldogs men's ice hockey roster

out of date and unused. Frietjes (talk) 17:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all Obsolete, superceded by a much better looking table that is transcluded directly into the articles. (example). Resolute 23:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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Regions, countries and territories by language templates

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Afro-Asiatic-speaking nations
 * Austroasiatic-speaking
 * Austronesian-speaking countries and territories
 * Catalan/Valencian-speaking territories
 * Chadic-speaking
 * Cushitic-speaking
 * Dravidian-speaking
 * Dutch-speaking regions
 * Uralic-speaking nations
 * German speaking regions
 * German-speaking regions
 * Indo-Aryan-speaking regions
 * Distribution of Iranian languages
 * Iranian-speaking regions
 * Malay-speaking
 * Niger-Congo-speaking nations
 * Russian-speaking regions
 * Semitic-speaking nations
 * Chinese-speaking nations and regions
 * Slavic-speaking states
 * Turkic-speaking regions
 * Official languages of South America
 * Official languages of South America

WP:NENAN. Navboxes that link to country articles are, as a rule, a waste of space. — Lfdder (talk) 14:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, better connected through a category, if at all. Frietjes (talk) 22:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't see any purpose they serve. I even put in a fair amount of time cleaning up the NC template; never thought to just AfD it.  — kwami (talk) 02:41, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added to the list. — Lfdder (talk) 10:31, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all, per the eloquent words of the nominator. These navboxes don't aid navigation at all, and just clutter the lower part of countless country articles.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 14:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Iranian-speaking regions
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:11, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Iranian-speaking regions

WP:NENAN. Navboxes that link to country articles are, as a rule, a waste of space. List could be added to the Iranian languages article. Only 9 transclusions (meaning it's not even used in half of the pages it links to). — Lfdder (talk) 14:36, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, better connected through a category, if at all. Frietjes (talk) 22:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Iranian languages
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Iranian languages

Redundant to /. — Lfdder (talk) 14:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * merge/delete, but someone should clean up the colouring in the main template. it's entirely unnecessary to have that template lime green. Frietjes (talk) 22:22, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think they were trying to pick colours to complement the title's (from here: ). — Lfdder (talk) 23:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * many seem to have contrast issues. Frietjes (talk) 19:21, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? On the palette? — Lfdder (talk) 20:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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Template:ERB
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:14, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ERB

Three creators. The "main guest role appearances" are articles that should not have this template on them, as Epic Rap Battles is not what they are mainly known for. And it definitely shouldn't be on the articles of any of the historical figures used. So take that away, and this only links three articles. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:43, 11 August 2013 (UTC) <hr style="width:55%;" />
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 14:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * delete, we don't navigate by show cast. if we did, there would be a navbox explosion at the bottom of actor articles. Frietjes (talk) 22:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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Template:HB Scotland header
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The result of the discussion was Merged. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * HB Scotland header
 * HS listed building header
 * HB Scotland row
 * HS listed building row

Propose merging Template:HB Scotland header with Template:HS listed building header.

Propose merging Template:HB Scotland row with Template:HS listed building row.

Redundant to each other. Merging will also help the imminent Wiki Loves Monuments process. NB the "HS" verison is only used five times on one page; "HB" everywhere else. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 13:17, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * May the best template win! (not sure which one that is)
 * What needs to be added/removed/modified so we can go to one template? Multichill (talk) 14:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "HS" does not currently support listing category; HB does (I think). Andrew Gray (talk) 19:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ...that said, HS is better featured - integral notes etc - and as has been pointed out to me we don't actually need to support listing category in most cases (we're using lists of A per area, B per area, etc). Support for commonscat in HS would be nice.
 * I've started converting over the A lists in Scotland and have been using the HS form. Happy for someone to merge back to the other if needed, but tempted to say check HS supports all fields in HB and then simply redirect. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I've commented out the TFD notice from the HS templates as it was making it very hard to work with the current lists. The major issue is that HB supports "Category" (A, B, C) but HS doesn't, while HS is generally a bit prettier. HS feels better for single-category lists like List of Category A listed buildings in Clackmannanshire, while of course HB would be needed for mixed lists like List of listed buildings in Tyrie, Aberdeenshire. I'm not sure they can easily be merged right now. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I've started work on merging these; it should be finished tonight. HB will redirect to HS with some trickery to make it all work. Andrew Gray (talk) 18:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge completed. Some transitional tidying still to go, but now more or less done. Andrew Gray (talk) 18:54, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


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Template:Cardiff listed building row
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The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. While there is no express consensus to keep, the consensus is that the Template:Cardiff listed building row is not redundant. There's no reason to relist the discussion. There was no assertion that the template is WP:TFD redundant to a better-designed template. As of this close, Template:Cardiff listed building row is only being used in the Listed buildings in Cardiff article. -- Jreferee (talk) 10:53, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cardiff listed building row

Redundant to Cadw listed building row. Standardising will also help the imminent Wiki Loves Monuments process. Only three transclusions, all one one page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 13:17, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: Cadw listed building row doesn't have a date of completion parameter (unlike EH listed building row). Could one be added? Ham 10:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment neither does the Cadw template have anywhere to list a source. There's a tendency by the WLM project to bulldoze through their own (unsourced) Listed buildings in... articles, templates and tables despite articles already existing (as in the case of Listed buildings in Cardiff). The table used in Listed buildings in Cardiff was based on (and adapted from) similar tables used for English cities. Maybe WLM should base their Cadw templates on ones that have already been developed! Sionk (talk) 23:21, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * While I don't necessarily disagree with you, which English city tables? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:24, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * From my hazy recollection, I adapted something like the table on the Listed buildings in Nantwich page. This also included the colour coded column, which is fairly standard across the other English list articles (I see WLM have also removed this from Listed buildings in Cardiff). I can understand the benefits of some sort of standardisation, though it seems innappropriate when it's driven by the needs of a photography competition! Sionk (talk) 13:04, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * In case you are not aware, the competition itself is driven by the need to improve Wikipedia and its sister projects: see http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk/?p=68. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 13:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You say you want to get more people involved with Wikipedia by uploading photos. Uploading photos is only one part of the project.
 * On the subject of the template, I think I'm saying I'd strongly oppose the standard, unsourced Cadw template (with excessive info about Cadw) being imposed on the Listed buildings in Cardiff article. For example, if people want to know Cadw listing codes or the full date of listing they can presumably visit the Cadw website. From the perspective of someone using Wikipedia for reference, we need to provide pertinent info about the listed buildings and a source to allow people to research further if need be. Sionk (talk) 14:12, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I think I've figured out a way around this; I'm going to rewrite them to use the same backend template code but keep the current display style for Cardiff. This will mean the database picks them up but won't affect the way the lists look. Rewriting the CADW template to be closer in what it shows to the Cardiff one may be a good idea as well. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Working on this; some success but nested templates in tables inside conditionals are tricky. Probably be a day or two. Andrew Gray (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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