Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 February 3



Template:Seals family

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Delete there is a case for creation of an article on the family as a whole.--Salix (talk): 18:54, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Seals family

Template creep. Most of this is overlapped by the individual templates for Johnny Duncan, Dan Seals, Brady Seals, and Seals & Crofts, and the articles not contained in any of those (Lisa Stewart and her album) are not sufficient to warrant separation. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 13:24, 3 February 2013 (UTC)  Keep  - In paraphrased words of TPH, the following articles are not sufficient to warrant their VERY OWN navboxes: "Troy Seals", "Lisa Stewart" and "­Lisa Stewart (album)", which is why a navbox may be warranted here. Additionally, many of the articles included in the template do not link to one another without the navbox, including "Dan Seals discography" from "England Dan & John Ford Coley", "Troy Seals" & "­Sweet Dreams (Don Gibson song)" to "Don't Touch Me", "Lisa Stewart" and "­Lisa Stewart (album)", as well as "Don't Touch Me", "Lisa Stewart" and "­Lisa Stewart (album)" to "Troy Seals" & "­Sweet Dreams (Don Gibson song)". --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC)  Reply  - --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:58, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Why would Dan Seals discography need to link to Lisa Stewart (album)? Legitimate links can be added to a group of "related articles" in the individual navboxes. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) It is interesting to note that no notification was placed on my talk page regarding this template being nominated for TfD. Would anyone like to explain why?
 * 2) The navbox was designed to link the family members together as a whole, in a manner similar to Template:Bach family, whose relationships may indeed be tangential.
 * 3) I never said that Dan Seals discography would need to link to Lisa Stewart (album). Some of the links in many navboxes are tangential to one another.
 * 4) Please let me know where the five links related to Lisa and Troy will go.
 * Article-ify & weak Delete there's no main article. So convert the template into an article. WP:NENAN, there's no need for a "Seals family" template, though some people may feel that each person should get a nav template, so a unified template may be better that separate ones, but then again, do each of these people need a template? -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 23:13, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The people in question are notable and prolific enough for their own templates, but their careers have remained disparate enough that each individual's template doesn't over lap with the other's — they just all overlap with the Seals Family template. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - Again TPH, Please let me know where the links related to Lisa and Troy will go. --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Nowhere. Not everything absolutely must be on a navbox. Troy doesn't have enough solo work, as songwriters rarely get navboxen of their own, and Lisa only ever did one album. Lisa is only related by marriage, so she doesn't need anymore links from Brady Seals than she already has, and she especially doesn't need anymore links to the rest of the Seals family, to whom she is only tangentially related at best. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * delete, this sort of thing is better covered by an article if notable. Frietjes (talk) 16:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 *  Comment  - If an article about the Seals family is created, then that is more reason for a template to exist. If an article for the Seals family is not in order, why (besides WP:OSE) do articles for the Krupp and Bach families exist? --Jax 0677 (talk) 04:28, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Because there don't seem to be any sources discussing the family as a whole, just its individual members. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * delete why a template when there is not even a main article to link from? The Banner talk 22:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.