Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 January 24



Template:Territorial changes GE header

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Territorial changes GE header
 * Territorial changes PL header

both now orphaned after a rewrite of template:German borders and Template:Borders of Poland. even if we do want the side image format, this can be achieved without these templates in the same way I have done with Template:Borders of the Baltic states. however, I think the images are not necessary decoration. Frietjes (talk) 22:57, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Howrah - Sitarampur Line

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:46, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Howrah - Sitarampur Line

empty route map. Frietjes (talk) 22:23, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Istr

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:46, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Istr

basically redundant to lang-ar, but even better to just replace with (ar), since the repeated "Arabic" prefix is distracting in prose. Frietjes (talk) 22:16, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Seed

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:58, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Seed

unused outside of userspace. Frietjes (talk) 22:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and http://www.saveseeds.org is not worthy of having multiple inclusions in WP. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:19, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Location-1

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:58, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Location-1

replaced by templates like babel and userboxtop/userboxbottom. Frietjes (talk) 22:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Tamil Researchers
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Tamil Researchers

incomplete, and better served by Category:Tamil scholars. Frietjes (talk) 22:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Only used on one article and only contais three links. THis is not how templates are used. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Better citation
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The result of the discussion was redirect Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Better citation

I recommend deletion of this template and redirection to better source, to which it is redundant. This is more intrusive than any inline tag I've ever come across, and I don't think the link to edit the page is valuable enough to clutter articles with. How many readers who don't know how to edit a page can cite effectively?

The only difference I can see between the templates is that better source says a better source is needed, while this one only says it's preferred. To me, that's not a strong enough distinction to merit a separate template. If a better source is needed, say so. If it's not, then don't tag. BDD (talk) 21:33, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect. This form just clutters up the article way too much, and is redundant to better source. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Prefer to delete per nom but not opposed to a redirect. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I sort of phrased that poorly—what I'm really advocating is redirecting. The name itself is a plausible synonym for better source, and outright deletion may lead to further duplication. --BDD (talk) 23:28, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect. The nominator makes a good point for having just one of these templates instead of two, but there's no reason at all to make this a red link.  Nyttend (talk) 21:25, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:India Time
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * India Time

redundant to. Frietjes (talk) 18:28, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox nature center
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:27, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Infobox nature center

Redundant to Infobox park; Just 19 transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:19, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. Not all nature centres are parks of course. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:16, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * yes, it appears many are actually buildings :) 198.102.153.2 (talk) 00:15, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Examples? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:25, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox nature center. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you; I already have done so. I'm asking for specific examples of instances which you assert are buildings. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:21, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * As others note, there's a semantic difference here which means that infobox park may not be appropriate for all nature centres. Low transclusion count does not necessarily mean lack of importance; it may just be that our coverage of the subject is immature, which certainly seems to be the case given the number of redlinks at List of nature centers in the United States for instance. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:29, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for evidence of the supposed semantic difference. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:11, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A nature centre is a specific type of environment which may either enclose or be enclosed by a park. That's straight from the article. It may be that we don't really need a specific infobox for them, as they appear to be rather varied, but that's quite different from asserting that they are simply a type of park. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I haven't asserted that they are simply a type of park. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:26, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * delete after replacing the box in articles about parks, estuaries, preserves with infobox park and the box in articles about physical buildings with infobox building. Frietjes (talk) 17:40, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Calais RUFC squad
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:01, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Calais RUFC squad

Hopelessly out of date, unreferenced, unmaintained and full of redlinks so really does not serve as a navigation aid, which is the whole point of such navbox templates. C 679 16:47, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom, serves no real purpose. GiantSnowman 17:00, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, Govvy (talk) 17:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Google Maps link
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The result of the discussion was Speedy deletion. WP:G7. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:36, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Google Maps link

Template is not actually specific to Google Maps and linking could be done a lot easier without the use of this template. WOSlinker (talk) 15:22, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * delete Frietjes (talk) 18:08, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant to coord; unused in article space. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:22, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I am the creator of this template. I agree that the template is redundant and the purpose I created this for is now served by another template that works just as well. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  21:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:South African Environment
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:21, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * South African Environment

This template, linked to 10 pages, is a bit of an odd one out. I would be happier if it was a foot template but I prefer outright deletion. It contains a bit of a mish-mash of links as well. The whole template can be replaced by a like to Environmental movement in South Africa. Templates are good but they should be focussed and this one is not. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 04:12, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * All of the links relate directly to environmental action groups or taskforces in South Africa. I don't see that there are scope problems here at all. Nor do I think this is inappropriate as a sidebar, but I've at least converted it into a proper sidebar and not an overly-wide manual table. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:50, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

What's your problem mate? This template has been around longer than you have, good couple of years?Ethnopunk (talk) 19:57, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * are you talking about [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Alan_Liefting&dir=prev&target=Alan+Liefting Alan (March 2004)] or [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Thumperward&dir=prev&target=Thumperward Chris (January 2006)]? It seems they have both been around longer than [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Ethnopunk&dir=prev&target=Ethnopunk you (March 2006)]. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 21:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * How long an editor has been around is not an argument that should be used in a discussion. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:22, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Longevity is not an argument for keeping it because consensus can change. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:13, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't understand any of the reasons for removing it. Seems to me like a form of intellectual vandalism. Oh, I see it has now been converted into a "proper sidebar" now. Thank you Chris. Ethnopunk (talk) 07:46, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Uw-skype
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Uw-skype

This template was last used in March 2011 or thereabouts. No longer an issue. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 02:18, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Generalize seems that a general warning of this type would be good, as other software can also add extraneous characters. A "|skype=yes" could be used if needed for Skype. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 03:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This can probably be deprecated if the Skype Toolbar issue is fixed. Generalising it doesn't make sense, as it would inevitably turn a quite specific instruction into meaningless mush. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:33, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Originally I created and used this template, but I do not mind what happens now. It was related to users who ignored the warning from filter 313, which has not been tripped since May 2011. Despite this, the problem may not have completely gone away: for example the first paragraph of User talk:Shakeebraslan from June 2012 (that user's only edit) has the tell-tale trace of the issue with the text "begin_of_the_skype_highlighting". --Rumping (talk) 01:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, since the edit filter seems to be mostly doing its job. remember, we don't need to use warning templates to issue warnings.  we have warning templates to issue common warnings.  this is clearly no longer a common warning. Frietjes (talk) 18:27, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Arabic Pop
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Arabic Pop

Is this useful for navigating several dozen singers? The fact that they all speak the language (which is shared by hundreds of millions) makes a pretty trivial navigation scheme. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete: Is this template for Arabic singers or for singers of Arabic pop? Either way, editors are highly unlikely to want to navigate between articles of people connected by their profession or of people connected by a music genre.  It looks like there is no inclusion criteria to the template and it is better served by the already created List of Arabic pop musicians. Aspects (talk) 06:09, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Anorthosis Famagusta Kits
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:08, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Anorthosis Famagusta Kits

we don't need a template for this since it would only be used in one article. Frietjes (talk) 00:12, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Arakan Township
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Arakan Township

mostly redlinks, and the links that are not redlinks are either (a) pointing to the wrong article, or (b) already linked in Template:Rakhine State. Frietjes (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Arellano University - Plaridel Campus
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Arellano University - Plaridel Campus
 * Arellano University - Jose Abad Santos Campus
 * Arellano University - Elisa Esguerra Campus

unused forks of Template:Arellano University. Frietjes (talk) 00:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Argentina tourist regions
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:49, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Argentina tourist regions

unused and generally redundant to labelled maps that are actually labelled, like say Template:Argentina Labelled Map (which is also unused). Frietjes (talk) 00:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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