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Template:UEFA Champions League Performance by clubs

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The result of the discussion was keep Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * UEFA Champions League Performance by clubs

This template contains a table that is used in UEFA Champions League, List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League finals and European Cup and UEFA Champions League records and statistics. There is no need to move this table into a template, as it only makes it more difficult for newcomers to edit the table. Mentoz86 (talk) 10:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep It makes it more difficult for newcomers to edit, that's true. That includes making it more difficult to edit for newcomers vandalism. That one ist unfortunately frequent in relation with the figures of this table. Furthermore modifying a template doesn't require advanced skills editing wikipedia. Finally, the figures of this table change relative often and ist published on various pages. That's consequently really practical to move this one into a template. In my opinion, contributors will still edit the Template:UEFA Champions League Performance by clubs in the future without problems just as they did in the past. Therefore I respectfully disagree with the deletion proposal. Uncle Scrooge (talk) 15:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The figures in this table only changes once a year, doesn't it? We do have templates for e.g. tables that changes a couple of times every week, but I don't see the need when this is updated once a year. Mentoz86 (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It should change once a year. But this table was a recurrent object of vandalism. It was apparently popular to make little wrong changes (e.g. Liverpool + 2 victories). The table used in UEFA Champions League was usually quickly reverted but it's much more problematic in the statistics articles. With this template, the vandalism is, among other things, easier spotted and reverted. I can't see any avantage to the the deletion of this practical template, if we add navbar to it. Uncle Scrooge (talk) 00:36, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * indifferent, but we should add navbar to it to make it more intuitive of how to edit it. Frietjes (talk) 15:40, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree we should add navbar to it Uncle Scrooge (talk) 23:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Done in the main article UEFA Champions League and European Cup and UEFA Champions League records and statistics. Uncle Scrooge (talk) 22:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * the key here is to add the navbar to the template, not the articles. Frietjes (talk) 15:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done Uncle Scrooge (talk) 20:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 21:54, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - upon first glances I agreed with the nominator that this was non-notable, however Uncle Scrooge makes fair points. As this table transcludes to a number of articles it is a sensible way of ensuring all the articles have the same, correct, up-to-date information. GiantSnowman 09:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per GiantSnowman. --MicroX (talk) 06:07, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Rough Draft Studios

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The result of the discussion was relisted on Templates for discussion/Log/2013 July 13. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:47, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Beyond Fear

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Beyond Fear

Fails WP:NENAN. Earlier kept as no consensus, but by now it has lost even more links (the very remote related "related articles" that had no real connection with the band, removed by me). Today, the links to three portals were removed by Robsinden as "Inappropriate use of portal links. These are portals for wider topics. (...)". Now we are left with an unsourced article about the article, two poorly sourced articles about musicians and two musicians without an article. The band does not exist any more, so there will no extra band members or albums in the future. The Banner talk</i> 17:11, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, textbook WP:NENAN. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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Template:U. S. Network Shows footer
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The result of the discussion was relisted on Templates for discussion/Log/2013 July 13. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:44, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Byzantine Churches of Constantinople
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:15, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Byzantine Churches of Constantinople


 * Delete: Unused and redundant to Template:Churches and Monasteries of Constantinople. Ordering by century is also not the best idea since many of these buildings were rebuilt or added upon several times at different dates. Constantine  ✍  14:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete: Delete unused templates that do not have a current use-case. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 20:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete DragonTiger23 (talk) 08:30, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Editnotices/Page/Jerry Buss
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Editnotices/Page/Jerry Buss

Should no longer be necessary. Most sources corrected themselves and headstone pic atd Find-A-Grave should be the final word on it. —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 09:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * delete Frietjes (talk) 18:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, no longer an issue. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:57, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Brazil squad 2011 South American Youth Championship and more
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:18, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

These are youth navboxes so they're not notable. All previous discussion confirmed to delete them.

Firstly, continental youth competitions' navboxes must be deleted. FIFA U-20 World Cup and Euro U21 will be bring to discuss again. Banhtrung1 (talk) 13:10, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Germany squad 1999 UEFA Under-16 Championship
 * Germany squad 2002 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2004 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2005 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2007 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2008 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Portugal Squad 2010 Euro U-19
 * Portugal Squad 2012 Euro U-19
 * Poland squad 2001 Euro U-18
 * Sweden Squad 1999 Euro U-18
 * Argentina squad 2003 South American Youth Championship
 * Argentina squad 2005 South American Youth Championship
 * Argentina squad 2007 South American Youth Championship
 * Argentina squad 2011 South American Youth Championship
 * Brazil Squad 2007 South American Youth Championship
 * Brazil Squad 2009 South American Youth Championship
 * Brazil squad 2011 South American Youth Championship
 * Brazil squad 2013 South American Youth Championship
 * Paraguay squad 2001 South American Youth Championship
 * Paraguay squad 2003 South American Youth Championship
 * Paraguay squad 2013 South American Youth Championship
 * Peru squad 2013 South American Youth Championship
 * Uruguay squad 2009 South American Youth Championship
 * Colombia squad 2013 South American Youth Championship
 * Costa Rica Squad 2009 CONCACAF U-20 Championship
 * Canada Squad 2011 CONCACAF U-20 Championship
 * Australia U20 Squad 2001 OFC U-20 Championship
 * Australia Squad 2006 AFC Youth Championship
 * Algeria Squad 2011 African U-23 Championship

South American Youth Championship is an under-20 competition, and AFC Youth Championship under-19.


 * Delete: 2013 South American Youth Championship squads, 2012 UEFA European Under-19 Football Championship squads are sufficient. South American Youth Championship or UEFA European Under-19 Football Championship has notability. But they takes place biennially, or annually. So a million and one squad templates will be generated. The navigational boxes for squads not to limit usage for all competitions could not concentrate reader's attention at each article's page. Sawol (talk) 09:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 10:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete all - there is plenty of strong consensus recently, such as this and this, that youth squad templates are not notable. GiantSnowman 10:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all Consensus is that youth templates should be deleted. Youth internationals do not meet our notability criteria, and templates like these only serve to create the impression that articles should be created for them. Number   5  7  17:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as per previous discussions. Fenix down (talk) 15:32, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, navbox creep. we don't need youth squad templates. Frietjes (talk) 16:26, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * delete they are youth tournaments only 113.23.3.108 (talk) 05:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC) — 113.23.3.108 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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Regional competitions (including senior)
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The result of the discussion was no consensus due to haphazard grouping. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:57, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

AFF Suzuki Cup (formerly Tiger Cup) and SEA Games' navboxes were created by me. I have recognized that they are unnecessary because they are regional competitions only. Banhtrung1 (talk) 07:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

SAFF Championship, WAFF Championship, EAFF Championship (formerly Dynasty Cup), East Asian Games are regional tournament. Indian Ocean Island Games, Summer Universiade, World Military Games are anoymous multi-sport events. International Tournament City of São Paulo, Nehru Cup are friendly competitions only. So they are REALLY anonymous.

Banana Fingers said:


 * The competitions for which these squad navboxes were created is a regional competition only, whereas the general consensus at WP:FOOTY is that national team squad navboxes should only be created for continental or global competitions such as the AFC Asian Cup or the FIFA World Cup.

The above criteria is similar to the regional (such as East Asian Games, SEA Games), minor (such as Arab Games), annonymous multi-sport events, multi-sport events for a certain community (such as Universiade which held for student, Military Games for army...), friendly competitions (such as Nehru Cup) which are not known worldwide. So their navboxes must also be deleted. Banhtrung1 (talk) 15:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Maldives Squad 2011 SAFF Championship
 * Laos squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Laos squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Thailand Squad 1996 Tiger Cup
 * Thailand squad 2000 Tiger Cup
 * Thailand squad 2002 Tiger Cup
 * Thailand squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Thailand squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Thailand squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Hong Kong Squad 1995 Dynasty Cup
 * Hong Kong Squad 1998 Dynasty Cup
 * Hong Kong Squad 2003 EAFF Championship
 * Hong Kong Squad 2010 EAFF Championship
 * Cambodia squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Philippines squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Philippines squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Malaysia squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Malaysia squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Malaysia squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Indonesia squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Indonesia squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Indonesia squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Myanmar squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Myanmar squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Myanmar squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Singapore squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Singapore squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Singapore squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Vietnam squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Vietnam squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Vietnam squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup

Regional multi-sport events:


 * Malaysia men's football squad 2009 SEA Games
 * Malaysia men's football squad 2011 SEA Games
 * Vietnam men's football squad 2009 SEA Games
 * Vietnam men's football squad 2011 SEA Games
 * Thailand men's football squad 2011 SEA Games
 * Indonesia men's football squad 2011 SEA Games
 * Singapore men's football squad 2011 SEA Games
 * Myanmar men's football squad 2011 SEA Games
 * Hong Kong Squad 2005 East Asian Games
 * Hong Kong Squad 2009 East Asian Games


 * Delete per the nominator. Sawol (talk) 09:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 10:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete all as they are not notable. 113.23.3.108 (talk) 05:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Procedural close for this section - There seems to be confusion between competitions organised by a regional federation one below a large continental federation and random competitions. This section should be split into two and re proposed in order to establish clear consensus. I am not sure how consensus can be achieved about the necessity for navboxes for both regular international tournaments such as the AFF Cup and random competitions like the 2010 International Tournament City of São Paulo in one discussion. Fenix down (talk) 15:32, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Procedural close - as with numerous previous discussion started by this editor, there are too many navboxes relating to too many different tournaments for us to efficiently analyse. GiantSnowman 11:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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