Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 June 12



Template:Tony Särkkä

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 22:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Tony Särkkä

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name. (Second nomination, the first is due to an unexplained glitch disappeared into the mist.) The Banner  talk 23:15, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No 4 core links, so this is just a coatrack. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, which will also fix the overlap with template:Ophthalamia (which could also be a candidate for deletion). Frietjes (talk) 15:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - another reversed navbox where the artist should be in the navbox for each band he was a member of - if they existed. Secondarywaltz (talk)
 * Delete, see The Banner. I don’t believe the Ophthalamia template (which lacked almost all releases until my edit) should be deleted, Frietjes. --217 /83 09:29, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * yes, that would have to be discussed in a separate thread, but [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AOphthalamia&diff=559849058&oldid=526687142 adding three redlinks and a link to an off-topic article] about Dominion doesn't help. Frietjes (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess I gave Opthosomething the go ahead due to links to band members (4 living, 1 deceased) plus 1 album. 6 links, so passed WP:NENAN (I wasn't trying to TfD as many Jax-templates as possible.) The Banner talk 20:40, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Scale the Summit

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Scale the Summit

There aren't enough articles on the band or anything related to them to warrant a navbox. I also created a discography page to contain the band's albums which, having done the research on them, strike me as warranting coverage on Wikipedia but not in their own articles as they would remain permanently small.  LazyBastard Guy  21:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Does it harm anything to have the template present? The band might be small, but if there is no harm in keeping the template present, I don't see why it should be deleted. Moreover, the question is, why does a band need to be large to warrant a navbox? atallcostsky   talk   21:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not a matter of the band's size, popularity or whatever else; it's a matter of what's actually available on them and what we can say about them on Wikipedia. In this case, the band very rarely speak directly about the songs on the albums, and their lack of lyrics leaves even less to be said about them. Consequently, it made no sense to have individual articles that would remain so small forever; I decided to merge them into one article, and what good would a list of links all going to the same place be in that case? A navbox doesn't list a band's discography; it lists articles relevant to their discussion to make it easier to find those articles. If STS ever had more than one of these articles (given their prolific output and article size limitations on Wikipedia, I would deem that likely), we might then make a new navbox for the template. At the moment, that is not the case.  LazyBastard Guy  00:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Trust me, I am a big fan of these guys, but I can't let my personal opinion on their work influence my decision here. It's not a question of worth but practicality; does it aid in covering a musical artist to have this collated list of articles relevant to the subject at hand?  LazyBastard Guy  19:25, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * someone will probably send you to the essay WP:NENAN. you may also be interested in searching for all discussions with that keyword at WP:TFD (you will find a load of them, e.g. even one on this page). basically, the feeling is that we don't need a navigation box if it doesn't connect a minimum number of articles.  the precise number is debatable, but if all the links redirect to one of two pages, that probably isn't enough articles being connected. Frietjes (talk) 22:03, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete It all comes down to aiding in navigation. Since you can link to and from each article to every other article within the navbox, there's no additional aid in having a navbox on those same articles. With the albums merged to a single discography, that is the case here. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a pointless navbox. The 4 links to albums are all redirects to the discography, and we don't need a navbox when one link would do. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete ^^^What BrownHairedGirl said. ChakaKongtalk 16:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Unknownflag

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 22:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Unknownflag

We have consensus (from Village Pump? I can't remember) to not use question mark placeholders for images. In this case, the question mark icon is in the context of a flag icon, and WP:Manual of Style/Icons also discourages the use of invented icons as a substitute for real flags. See WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 May 8 for a recent discussion about a similar template. Noflag is the preferred solution when a flag icon is not available. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, I agree that noflag is a better method for spacing. redirecting there might be a good idea to avoid recreation. Frietjes (talk) 15:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This is exactly the same situation as with country data unknown. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:56, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Maldives Squad 2012 Nehru Cup

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was no consensus, due to the un-targeted nomination. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I think this template must be deleted because Nehru Cup is a friendly competition only.

All templates about regional football competitions, youth football competitions (and other youth team sport competitions, except UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship), continental and regional multi-sport events' football tournaments, minor multi-sport events also must be deleted, such as:


 * Maldives Squad 2012 Nehru Cup
 * Argentina U20 Squad 2007
 * Argentina squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Brazil Squad 2011 Pan American Games
 * Brazil squad 2013 South American Youth Championship
 * Bahrain men's football squad 2010 Asian Games
 * Canada Squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Canada Squad 2011 CONCACAF U-20 Championship
 * Canada Squad 2007 Women's Pan American Games
 * Canada Squad 2011 Women's Pan American Games
 * Cameroon squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Croatia Squad 2011 FIFA U20 World Cup
 * Egypt squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * England squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * France squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Germany squad 1999 UEFA Under-16 Championship
 * Germany squad 2002 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2004 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2005 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2007 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2008 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Hong Kong Squad 2005 East Asian Games
 * Hong Kong Squad 2009 East Asian Games
 * Hong Kong Squad 2010 EAFF Championship
 * Japan Squad 1995 Summer Universiade
 * Japan men's football squad 2010 Asian Games
 * Portugal Squad 2012 Euro U-19
 * South Korea men's football squad 2002 Asian Games
 * South Korea men's football squad 2006 Asian Games
 * South Korea men's football squad 2010 Asian Games
 * Maldives Squad 2011 SAFF Championship
 * Maldives Squad 2011 Indian Ocean Island Games
 * Myanmar squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Myanmar squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Myanmar squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Malaysia men's football squad 2009 SEA Games
 * Malaysia men's football squad 2011 SEA Games
 * Tuvalu squad 2007 South Pacific Games
 * Tuvalu squad 2011 Pacific Games
 * Kiribati squad for 2011 Pacific Games
 * Spain squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Spain squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Spain squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * United States Squad 2007 Pan American Games (Women)
 * Vietnam squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Vietnam squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Vietnam squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Vietnam men's football squad 2009 SEA Games
 * Vietnam men's football squad 2011 SEA Games

Delete template and similar at the same level per this deletion discussion.

Banhtrung1 12:26, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:29, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - please note that I have been canvassed by the nominator. Also as the nominator has completely failed to tag any of the nominated templates, I suggest another Admin closes this nomination down as malformed and ill-thought out. GiantSnowman 13:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - nominator is also trying to canvass Administrators in general. GiantSnowman 14:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep with no prejudice to the templates being re-nominated in the near future. The nominator has gone about this the wrong way, he has bundled far too many templates, of numerous different tournaments, together and it is near-impossible to properly look into their merits (or lack thereof). I suggest this be closed and the nominator bring them all back to TFD over time, in smaller and better-organised bundles. GiantSnowman 10:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * procedural keep, agree with GiantSnowman, take a well-defined subset (e.g., all the U-16s) and nominate those in a bundle. Frietjes (talk) 15:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Josh Newton
<div class="boilerplate vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:51, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Josh Newton

Fails WP:NENAN. Nothing on his own name <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 20:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC) <hr style="width:55%;" />
 * Delete per nominator. Fails WP:NENAN, by having fewer than 5 core links (not counting the head article). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:50, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * reformat as Template:Shiner (band), and add missing content. Frietjes (talk) 23:57, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 12:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

<hr style="width:55%;" />
 * Reply @Frietjes. Oppose proposed reformatting. Shiner_(band) lists only 4 articles on recordings, so there is not enough ti justify a navbox for that band. Two of the existing articles appear to be about non-notable albums: Starless (album) and Lula Divinia. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * yes, I agree this time, since the recordings are connected through the previous and next links in the album navbox, and there is only one band member with an article. I try not to speculate about the notability of the linked articles, since prod/AfD would come first, and then deletion here would be a no-brainer.  as I am sure you have noticed [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_June_11&diff=559566007&oldid=559473045 not] [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_June_3&diff=558757340&oldid=558756783 everyone] [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_February_2&diff=536339585&oldid=536183656 agrees] with the threshold.  without having a clear policy the ones that are kept/deleted will be somewhat arbitrary near the borderline. Frietjes (talk) 15:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Administrative divisions of AR of Abkhazia
<div class="boilerplate vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete, the consensus is that the two templates can be merged, and that any unnecessary differences can be resolved. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 20:40, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Administrative divisions of AR of Abkhazia

This is almost exactly a duplication of Template:Administrative divisions of the Republic of Abkhazia. The only difference, besides the spelling of names (which should really use whatever the article titles are - haven't checked to see which template matches more), is that this template lacks Tquarchal District. One difference should not result in the placing of what are essentially two identical templates on every page. CMD (talk) 17:17, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * keep Excuse me, but there is no template about Administrative divisions of AR of Abkhazia and what we must to do? Administrative divisions of the Republic of Abkhazia and Administrative divisions of AR of Abkhazia are different. If you want to delete this then you must to make some corrections in the Template:Administrative divisions of the Republic of Abkhazia because it doesn't gives de jure Abkhazia's information. Also flag-map of the "Rep. Abkhazia" must be removed.-- Balakhadze  [[file:Georgia.gif|26px]]ႫႨႼႤႰႠ 17:58, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Likely there isn't a template for those divisions because there is no need for it, none of the autonomous republic's administrative divisions are actually in effect. Stating the templates "are different" doesn't mean anything, considering the difference is a single entry. CMD (talk) 18:26, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * But in 1992 all of them were "actually in effect", so what you have written is not an argument.-- Balakhadze [[file:Georgia.gif|26px]]ႫႨႼႤႰႠ 18:58, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * In that case the template should be clear that it refers to 1992 territories, and be placed on articles about the 1992 entities (if/when they exist). CMD (talk) 19:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Abkhazia is a part of Georgia, and those territories de jure still have same divisions! -_- -- Balakhadze [[file:Georgia.gif|26px]]ႫႨႼႤႰႠ 20:22, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Giorgi, you may not count my vote, as I am a newbie, but at least he's right. Recent info (talk) 16:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

<hr style="width:55%;" />
 * keep. Agreed with Giorgi's last comment.George Talk 06:25, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless I'm missing something here, the only difference between the AROA and the ROA's districts is the Tquarchal District, which the AROA doesn't recognize. It would be better for template:Administrative divisions of Abkhazia to have a footnote for Tquarchal District instead, there no need for two separate ROA and AROA navboxes. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:26, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Emmette there are many differences first of all in names, for example settlement Bichvinta they call Pitsunda, town Tkvarcheli they call Tquarchal and etc. so it's not correct those are not their official names. And also where is administrative divisions of official Georgian government in this article Administrative divisions of abkhazia? another example of no NPOV, what i must to do now, to double some districts or remove some from this article?-- Balakhadze [[file:Georgia.gif|26px]]ႫႨႼႤႰႠ 09:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * keep-- D avid   Rotating earth (Very small).gif 09:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 12:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

<hr style="width:55%;" />
 * Comment (nom) WP:Official names is not a good justification to create a duplicate template; such a suggestion runs counter to our longstanding article titling policies. CMD (talk) 14:24, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment (nom) Just found that there's also Template:Districts of Georgia, which covers the districts, Template:Cities and towns in Georgia (country) which covers the major settlements, which this template is also partially redundant to, and which completely covers the Tquarchal District dispute. CMD (talk) 18:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The proposed use of this template is putting it into articles of Abkhazian subdivisions and localities, which will mean that there will be 2 almost identical templates (the one in question and Template:Administrative divisions of the Republic of Abkhazia). If we deal with Tkvarcheli district issue with a footnote, then the only new information is Georgian toponyms. Then we would have to add Abkhaz names as well, because in the current template the most common names, and not Abkhaz ones are used (Sukhumi and not Aqua, New Athos and not Chyts Afon). Putting so many names would defy the purpose of template, so we should not go this way at all and stay with current concise template where NPOV names are used. Therefore, delete. Alæxis¿question? 06:52, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete as redundant linking. if you need to have duplicate names, then simply add them in parenthesis to Template:Administrative divisions of Abkhazia.  the link convention should be based on the common name used in English with additional alternative names if they are common.  we don't need to fork a template just to have alternative names. Frietjes (talk) 18:40, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete it just wastes pixels to have two virtually identical templates on each page. A footnote and appropriate title indicating both names and flags is fine. Also a simple outline map with no super-imposed flag, would be fine for the image.--Salix (talk): 13:57, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Infobox Australian road/KML
<div class="boilerplate vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Deleted under WP:CSD (housekeeping). Left the subpages for now; if you would like those to be deleted as well tag for CSD G6. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 09:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Infobox Australian road/KML

This is not a template, it's a subpage of a template that was part of a failed experiment. (See Template talk:Infobox Australian road). As I was the only editor of this page and a related group of subpages that were also part of the failed experiment, I was going to tag it with db-author as neither this or the subpages were needed any longer. Unfortunately, another editor has rushed in and made unnecessary edits to the page so db-author is no longer appropriate, but the page still needs to be deleted.  Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 08:38, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Please leave this line alone (My sandbox heading)
<div class="boilerplate vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was userfy. --BDD (talk) 22:41, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please leave this line alone (My sandbox heading)

I guess this is not needed Magioladitis (talk) 08:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * userfy or delete Frietjes (talk) 17:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * While the user is no longer active, this is basically a userspace trinket in the wrong namespace and we normally afford editors the privilege of such things. This just needs moved (sans redirect). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:12, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Botswana Democratic Paty/meta/color
<div class="boilerplate vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete the typo. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Botswana Democratic Paty/meta/color
 * Botswana_Democratic_Party/meta/color

Propose merging Template:Botswana Democratic Paty/meta/color with Template:Botswana_Democratic_Party/meta/color.

misspelling of Template:Botswana_Democratic_Party/meta/color Ethan  &#124;  talk.  01:03, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete the Paty and keep the Party, or simply redirect one to the other. Frietjes (talk) 17:11, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Saiyuki
<div class="boilerplate vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 22:43, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Saiyuki

Unnecessary navbox, only 3 wikilinks. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 00:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, already well connected. Frietjes (talk) 17:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per Frietjes. This is pointless clutter. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.