Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 June 23



Template:Seadoo Personal Watercraft Timeline

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:17, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Seadoo Personal Watercraft Timeline

This looks very much like a userspace draft, started per WP:COPYVIO from Template:Kawasaki motorcycles. And there are just two articles existing that could be inclosed: Sea Doo Xp + Sea-Doo GTX. Trofobi (talk) 23:25, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, unused. Frietjes (talk) 15:44, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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Template:BC Youth coalition

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:17, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * BC Youth coalition

I removed this from British Columbia Youth Coalition, as it was redundant; now it is unused and unneeded. — This, that and the other (talk) 12:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete as unnecessary. Frietjes (talk) 16:55, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Kumioko (talk) 19:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox archaeological site

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The result of the discussion was redirect Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:17, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Infobox archaeological site

I have single-handedly migrated every page which used this template (maybe more than hundred pages or so) to Template:Infobox ancient site. That template was already used much more widely on Wikipedia before I started migrating pages to that template. It is does exactly the same thing as Template:Infobox archaeological site and offers more options. Considering that we should avoid duplication of templates and Template:Infobox archaeological site is no longer in use on any page (except for six sandbox pages of users) I propose to delete this template. AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 09:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * redirect Frietjes (talk) 16:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean with "redirect" in this context of two templates? Can you please explain? --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 17:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * see WP:REDIRECT, you replace the code of template:Infobox archaeological site with .  this allows someone looking for an infobox for archaeological sites to find template:Infobox ancient site, and allows limited functionality in old-revisions if there is some parameter similarity.  it also allows someone to type ' {{infobox archaeologicial site ' and have it be functionally equivalent to typing ' {{infobox ancient site '.  the WP:REDIRECT page has more information, but I am happy to explain it further if you still don't understand how it works. Frietjes (talk) 18:18, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 *  Redirect, as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Twelver

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The result of the discussion was delete after replacing with a more widely used infobox, preserving the content. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:19, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Infobox Twelver

This template can be safely replaced by Template:Infobox religious biography or even just Template:Infobox person. Transclusion count: 11. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete after replacement, no need for a specialised infobox here. Frietjes (talk) 16:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep: The twelver infobox serves as a concise introduction to twelver Shi'ism and is used in very many articles in that category. I find it informative and therefore suggest to keep it.--Kazemita1 (talk) 14:52, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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Youth football competitions navboxes

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. The discussion was clouded by the diffuse collection of nominated templates. There may be consensus for deleting most of the youth templates, per related discussions, but no real consensus here. I would suggest trying again with a smaller, well-defined subset if you still think some of these templates should be deleted. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:27, 3 July 2013 (UTC) Youth competitions navboxes are not necessary, like these cases.


 * Uruguay squad 2009 South American Youth Championship
 * Uruguay squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Portugal Squad 2010 Euro U-19
 * England squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * England squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * France squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Ghana Squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Egypt squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Paraguay Squad 2013 South American Youth Championship
 * Paraguay U-20 2001 South American Youth Championship
 * Paraguay U-20 squad 2003 South American Youth Championship
 * Peru squad 2013 South American Youth Championship
 * Poland Squad 2007 U-20 World Cup
 * Poland U-18 Squad Euro 2001
 * Portugal squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Portugal Squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Scotland squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Spain squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Spain squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Spain squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Sweden Squad 1999 Euro U-18
 * South Africa squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Tahiti squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Trinidad and Tobago squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Argentina U20 Squad 2007
 * Argentina squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Czech Republic squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Argentina squad 2005 South American Youth Championship
 * Argentina squad 2007 South American Youth Championship
 * Argentina squad 2011 South American Youth Championship
 * Australia Squad 2006 AFC Youth Championship
 * Australia squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Australia U20 Squad 2001 OFC U-20 Championship
 * Algeria Squad 2011 African U-23 Championship
 * Honduras squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Argentina squad 2003 South American Youth Championship
 * Brazil squad 2013 South American Youth Championship
 * United Arab Emirates squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Uzbekistan squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Venezuela squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Croatia Squad 2011 FIFA U20 World Cup
 * Costa Rica Squad 2009 CONCACAF U-20 Championship
 * Costa Rica Squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Costa Rica Squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Colombia squad 2013 South American Youth Championship
 * Colombia squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Brazil Squad 2007 South American Youth Championship
 * Brazil Squad 2009 South American Youth Championship
 * Brazil squad 2011 South American Youth Championship
 * Brazil Squad 2005 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Brazil Squad 2005 U-20 World Cup
 * Brazil Squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Brazil Squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Brazil squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Brazil Squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * New Zealand squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * New Zealand squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Nigeria squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Italy squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Hungary Squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Argentina U20 Squad 2007
 * Argentina squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Canada Squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Canada Squad 2011 CONCACAF U-20 Championship
 * Cameroon squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Croatia Squad 2011 FIFA U20 World Cup
 * Egypt squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * England squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * France squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Germany squad 1999 UEFA Under-16 Championship
 * Germany squad 2002 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2004 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2005 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2007 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2008 UEFA Under-19 Championship
 * Germany squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Portugal Squad 2012 Euro U-19
 * Brazil squad 2013 South American Youth Championship
 * Spain squad 2007 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Spain squad 2009 FIFA U-20 World Cup
 * Spain squad 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup

Regional competitions, regional and minor multi-sport events, minor competitions and friendly competitions are not necessary, too!


 * Japan Squad 1995 Summer Universiade
 * Maldives Squad 2011 SAFF Championship
 * Maldives Squad 2011 Indian Ocean Island Games
 * Malaysia men's football squad 2009 SEA Games
 * Malaysia men's football squad 2011 SEA Games
 * Vietnam men's football squad 2009 SEA Games
 * Vietnam men's football squad 2011 SEA Games
 * Laos squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Laos squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Thailand Squad 1996 Tiger Cup
 * Thailand squad 2000 Tiger Cup
 * Thailand squad 2002 Tiger Cup
 * Thailand squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Thailand squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Thailand squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Hong Kong Squad 1995 Dynasty Cup
 * Hong Kong Squad 1998 Dynasty Cup
 * Hong Kong Squad 2003 EAFF Championship
 * Cambodia squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Philippines squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Philippines squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Malaysia squad 2008 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Malaysia squad 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Malaysia squad 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup
 * Malaysia men's football squad 2009 SEA Games
 * Malaysia men's football squad 2011 SEA Games
 * Maldives Squad 2012 Nehru Cup
 * Algeria Squad 1991 Afro-Asian Cup of Nations
 * Brazil Squad 2010 International Tournament City of São Paulo
 * Nepal squad 2012 Nehru Cup
 * Tuvalu squad 2008 Oceanian Futsal Championship
 * Tuvalu squad 2010 Oceanian Futsal Championship
 * Tuvalu squad 2011 Oceanian Futsal Championship
 * Algeria Squad 2011 World Military Cup
 * Algeria Squad 2011 African Nations Championship

Banhtrung1 (talk) 14:48, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete all – Template of youth competitions, regional competitions (including senior), friendly competitions, regional and minor multi-sport events are REALLY not necessary and not prominent.
 * World Military Games is a competitions for army only, Summer Universiade is a competitions for students only so they aren't REALLY stand out. Oceanian Futsal Championship is a futsal competition only. International Tournament City of São Paulo, Nehru Cup are friendly competitions only. EAFF Championship (formerly Dynasty Cup), AFF Suzuki Cup (formerly Tiger Cup), SAFF Championship are regional competitions. Indian Ocean Island Games is a minor multi-sport event that too few people know. SEA Games is a regional multi-sport event only. The others are youth competitions only. These are ineligible to create their squad navboxes. Banhtrung1 (talk) 15:47, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * delete the youth boxes, no opinion on the others. Frietjes (talk) 16:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nominator. Sawol (talk) 08:47, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep all the value of templates have been shown in each article of tournament. According to rule in wikipedia, They should be kept. hoising (talk) 02:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep all Isn't all these templates has been discuss and the youth squad pass the deletion before? Plus, all these templates are really useful for readers to know who's appear on the squad. <span style="font-size:1.0em; font-family:Calibri (Body),serif; font-style:bold;">&mdash; иz нίpнόpʜᴇʟᴘ! 05:23, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your opinion! Youth competitions are not enough notable. This is oversupply. All recent discussions accepted delete these template types. Not only youth competitions but also regional competitions, minor competitions, football tournament at the minor and regional multi-sport events must be deleted. Banhtrung1 (talk) 13:43, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Something like Football at the 2011 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team squads is sufficient for the aim of User:Hoising or User:Ranking Update. Why on earth should this be the navigational box? Sawol (talk) 05:49, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * We can see the tournament has enough notability. If there are problem about the squads, everyone should fix them.hoising (talk) 07:19, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that Football at the Southeast Asian Games has notability. BUT Football at the Southeast Asian Games is NOT equivalent to Football at the Asian Games, Football at the Summer Olympics or FIFA World Cup. They should be fixed all? How did you come up with the idea? The navigational boxes for squads have to limit usage for some major competitions to concentrate reader's attention. Sawol (talk) 10:10, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Although SEA Games has notability, it's a regional multi-sport event only. This is ineligible to create squad navboxes. Banhtrung1 (talk) 13:43, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I see you also the one who create some of these template once ago. <span style="font-size:1.0em; font-family:Calibri (Body),serif; font-style:bold;">&mdash; иz нίpнόpʜᴇʟᴘ! 08:06, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I have discovered my mistake since I read this discussion so I have known that youth competitions, football tournaments at the regional and minor multi-sport events are not necessary. Banhtrung1 (talk) 09:38, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. I think although they're not notable, we can't ignore they're utility identifying players that played in a specific competition. Most of the players in those templates have a stub article. If it says in the article that the player participated in the competiton it's fine, but if it doesn't, I think the articles would be poorer, removing this templates. Most likely we will never known which tournaments the player participated because no one will add it to their articles.--Threeohsix (talk) 15:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep all They are notable squads playing in notable competitions. The squads in question all have stand alone articles and all the competitions have stand alone competitions. Absolutely no reason to justify their deletion. If templates for senior competitions are acceptable, which everyone seems to be upon, I fail to see how these templates are any less worthy of being kept. TonyStarks (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Althouth they are notable competitions, they are not equivalent to international and continental senior tournaments (including Olympics). They can not appeal to the viewer so they are REALLY excessive! Banhtrung1 (talk) 09:47, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What makes them not equivalent other than your personal opinion? "They only appeal to the viewer" .. what does that even mean?? If you're going to make a case at least try to bring some credible arguments. TonyStarks (talk) 17:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - To me, this nomination looks exactly the same as the one at June 13, which was closed as no consensus, with the closer stating "I would suggest renominating a smaller well-defined subset". This has not been done, and believe these mass-nomination from the nominator should stop. Mentoz86 (talk) 10:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - I've just two templates from the list, that was added today by Banhtrung1. I've also removed 11 templates from the list, that was added on June 24 by Sawol. Please start a new discussion if you want to nominate these for deletion, instead of adding them to the list after people have voted, without even mentioning that you've added more templates to the nomination. Mentoz86 (talk) 10:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - I have blocked the nominator for 48 hours for this TFD; as Mentoz86 says it is near-identical to one previously closed as "no consensus" and he has ignored the advice of both that closing Admin and myself. These kind of TFDs are simply disruptive. GiantSnowman 11:11, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all youth templates, as per the consensus established and noted in the previous no consensus discussion. Keep all other templates as full international tournaments. These may need listing separately, as there are at least some, the Oceania Futsal tmeplates, which seem to be full continental competitions and uthers, such as EAFF an Suzuki Cup which seem quite prominent. Overall another total mess of a nomination. Fenix down (talk) 11:26, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Notable squads played in notable competitions. NickSt (talk) 12:51, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong keep - If we delete all the youth templates, I suggest deleting all the senior team templates as well. As mentioned by someone above, youth competitions can be notable. Also, regional competitions, why are they not notable? Let's just put ourselves in the shoes of someone who is interested in those youth squads, regional competitions, minor competitions, and whatever else mentioned for deletion above. Arctic Kangaroo  (  ✉  •  ✎  ) 15:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * , there is strong consensus from numerous recent discussions that youth templates are considered not-notable. football player notability guidelines differntiate between youth and senior, and we should take a similar view with other apsects of the sport. Finally, someone being interested in a topic does not make it notable. GiantSnowman 16:10, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Consensus can change, can't it? What really matters, isn't whether a player becomes notable by playing in the competition, but whether the navigation-box meets the criteria listed in WP:NAVBOX. Mentoz86 (talk) 15:15, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Consensus can change, but not in such a short period of time, given the number of recent TFDs of youth templates that have all been deleted (as you very well know) - the latest in a long line is this from last week, overwhelming conseus to delete. The issue here is that the nominator is nominating so many articles, and that he is nominating different types of articles at the same time. If youth templates were nominated seperately then I am positive that half of the current 'keepers' would change their tune. GiantSnowman 15:23, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Players, managers and referees who have represented their country in any FIFA sanctioned senior international match (including the Olympics) are notable as they have achieved the status of participating at the highest level of football. But, nobody said every players who do not have represented their country in any FIFA sanctioned senior international match are not notable - they can also be notable. Moreover, no word in the page is about the squad.hoising (talk) 03:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * delete all after assuring the information is not lost. Keeping record of the squads is most likely useful and encyclopaedic (I did not check each and every nominated squad, exceptions may exist) but that is better done within the competition's article. - Nabla (talk) 07:22, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all youth templates Long-standing consensus is that they are inappropriate - they only serve to make inexperienced editors think youth internationals are notable as the templates invariably end up being redlinked. Number   5  7  15:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - At least the youth templates. I've found them very informative in the past. finval (talk) 17:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep all It`s useful information for football stats — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.194.112.44 (talk) 02:05, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep all Actually I do not see any reason why youth tournaments are not notable. Youth tournaments have drawn people's attention in the past 10 years and now even with live match streaming. For regional tournament, they are all valuable and they are top level football with senior national team participating in.Fabregas0414 talk 08:31, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all - all are not notable. 113.160.224.102 (talk) 00:19, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
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