Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 June 6



Template:Wiki Hilo

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 05:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Wiki Hilo

Non-notable encyclopedia that just got off the ground. Maybe in a few years it'd be notable, but now it isn't.  Zappa  O  Mati   23:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Not only is it not notable, it is not even a template. It looks more like an article than a template. Citrusbowler (talk) 23:42, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. It isn't a navbox....William 23:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Living Things

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 05:10, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Living Things

Fails WP:NENAN. A prefect example of the dodgy work of Jax with the last album having no article or being completely wrong linked. The first album is not even from the Living Things... The Banner talk 21:25, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * weak delete, I fixed the links, but we still need more content. Frietjes (talk) 16:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete not about Living Things -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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Jax templates failing WP:NENAN (2nd cluster)

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The result of the discussion was delete The Absence, Periphery, LaTour, Born from Pain, Bitch, and Last Chance to Reason, keep Misery Index and Cathy Dennis, no consensus on the rest. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 05:18, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Misery Index
 * The Absence
 * Veil of Maya
 * Periphery
 * LaTour
 * The Faceless
 * Born from Pain
 * Bitch
 * Last Chance to Reason
 * Skeletonwitch
 * Cathy Dennis

Fails WP:NENAN The Banner talk 20:58, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * keep Misery Index (4 albums + 4 EPs + 1 Band = 9 total links), Veil of Maya, The Faceless, Skeletonwitch, Cathy Dennis (see Cathy Dennis); delete The Absence, Periphery, LaTour, Born from Pain, Bitch, Last Chance to Reason. Frietjes (talk) 15:32, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * @ Misery Index & Cathy Dennis Request speedy close as keep after a significant addition of relevant links. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 19:24, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Tor hidden services
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The result of the discussion was keep, but feel free to continue discussion on how to resolve the redlink problem. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:34, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Tor hidden services

The majority of the links in this template are red so I suggest deleting until there is a good number of articles to fill it with. ... disco spinster   talk  19:02, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep If the subjects of a navigation template are sufficiently notable that they could have articles, deleting the template for red links is simply counterproductive, as it discourages article creation. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 21:15, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - as above.--Seerus (talk) 13:04, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Obviously notable. No policy justification cited for removal.--Elvey (talk) 18:59, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: WP:NAV: "Red links should be avoided unless they are very likely to be developed into articles, and even if they do, editors are encouraged to write the article first." How are they obviously notable? And why hasn't anyone written articles for them yet? ... disco spinster   talk  19:26, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Even if none of the redlinks are notable enough for an article (I don't know either way), that still leaves six blue links which is sufficient for a navigation template. What the nominator should be doing is discussing on the talk page about which links should be included and which should not and how best to present them. As for why nobody has written the articles yet, there is no deadline. TOR users are forbidden from contributing to Wikipedia by default (see WP:TOR), and so it is possible that most of those who are knowledgeable about the services there and interested in writing articles about them are unable to do so. Thryduulf (talk) 02:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Reformationband
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:35, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Reformationband

Artist only has the one album. No band members have own articles. Navigation between the album and band articles doesn't require a navbox. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Insufficient links for useful navigation. -- Whpq (talk) 18:39, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, too soon, not enough core links. Frietjes (talk) 18:55, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
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Template:BHAOstop
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:36, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * BHAOstop

Template created for use in one article only (which is currently nominated for deletion) and can easily be substituted. – Dream out loud (talk) 17:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete after substitution. It's a table, and could just as easily been done with straight table syntax. -- Whpq (talk) 18:41, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete after substitution. I've no idea why I created it... normally I do something in Excel to produce large wiki-tables like here. :-) Tom pw (talk) (review) 00:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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Jax templates failing WP:NENAN
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The result of the discussion was delete all Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:40, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Stereomud
 * Born of Osiris
 * Unloco
 * Dax Riggs
 * Deadboy & the Elephantmen
 * Through the Eyes of the Dead
 * One Minute Silence
 * Burnt by the Sun
 * Pro-Pain
 * Tura Satana
 * Downset.
 * Linda Perry
 * Bitty McLean
 * Silent Civilian
 * The Banner
 * Tora Tora

Fails WP:NENAN <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 09:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Frietjes's arguments for keeping some of the templates seem to fall foul of WP:NOTCRYSTAL, because we can't predict whether a forthcoming album will be notable or whether an album which is just listed in a discography is notable. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:09, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all - Insufficient links for useful navigation. -- Whpq (talk) 18:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * delete Stereomud, Unloco, Dax Riggs (possibly merge some with Template:Acid Bath), Deadboy & the Elephantmen, Burnt by the Sun, Pro-Pain (first two links are redirects), Tura Satana, Downset, Linda Perry (not enough without 4 Non Blondes), Silent Civilian (too soon), Tora Tora; weak keep Bitty McLean (see discography), indifferent Born of Osiris (forthcoming album and notable EP), Through the Eyes of the Dead (see discography), One Minute of Silence (see discography), The Banner (seems there is more to add). Frietjes (talk) 19:25, 6 June 2013 (UTC) (revised) Frietjes (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. None of these templates has sufficient links to be helpful for navigation; they all fail WP:NENAN's absolute minimum of 5 core links (not counting the title article).
 * follow up, on second thought, delete Bitty McClean. all the linked charting singles were covers, so we would not expect to find this navbox in those articles. Frietjes (talk) 18:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Monsanto
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The result of the discussion was keep Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Monsanto

Messy affair that fails to be a useful nav box <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 09:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * keep after reformatting using groups to break up the links. Frietjes (talk) 19:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you volunteering to do this? <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:02, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, tfd is not cleanup. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 21:17, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If it is not a cleanup, it just should be deleted as a incomplete, useless template. WP:TNT. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 23:07, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep It's suspicious that you are asking for deletion after anti Monsanto information was added. Are you sure you don't work for them? --Trulystand700 (talk) 01:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Not that I know, unless the Irish Republic is a subdivision of them! I came across the template while checking the often dodgy templates of Jax 0677. In my opinion this is a messy, useless template that is no aid in navigating around the different subjects related to Monsanto. Unless improved, I would apply WP:TNT to this templates (and about 80 other company templates in this style) <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner  <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 19:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
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