Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 March 27



Template:New-user

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:33, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * New-user

This seems redundant because of all the proper welcomes we have now. —  nerd fighter  23:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC) &lt;onlyinclude>&lt;/onlyinclude>
 * Delete: Per Nerdfighter's reasoning. I agree. — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 23:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Template:Welcome ( you can do this by doing:
 * 1) redirect:Template: Welcome
 * ) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:33, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * There certainly are a lot of welcome templates, but a nice thing about this one is that it is smaller than Template:Welcomesmall and simpler than Template:WelcomeSimple. — rybec   01:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Serbs infobox

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:34, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Serbs infobox

Has only one transclusion. Subst and delete. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:08, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - If we delete this template what will replace the info presented by this templeate? Adrian (talk) 19:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Before deletion it will substituted in the only article, which uses this template. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:15, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment If i understood correctly (but i think i didnt), reason for deletion of this template are direct links of notable persons under the main picture where they are portrayed? or...? (Правичност (talk) 20:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC))
 * If I understood it well, no, because it is a template that is used on only one article. Templates are designed to be used at several articles atleast. We would delete this template and insert the data presented here directly in the article.Adrian (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Support If this is the case, why not. I have noticed that many editors don`t know how to edit this template so that obstacle would be removed. More editors would improve this data. Support. Adrian (talk) 20:04, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Ah guess i didnt read it well; i give my support as well in that case, but the article should remain protected - my opinion. (Правичност (talk) 20:08, 27 March 2013 (UTC))


 * Comment - What about Category:Ethnic group templates? This exact type exist all over. I would add Template:Tmbox to Talk:Serbs, linking to the template.--Z oupan 02:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Serbs is the ethnic group template for that category, not this. This is a single-transclusion template that should be substituted into that article, because it's not useful anywhere else. It's a fairly common mistake. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 21:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 22:15, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete; per nom, and because this template is subject to content disputes - we really ought to deal with controversial content and sourcing in articles (and their talkpages), not in other namespaces which are supposed provide the supporting infrastructure rather than content... bobrayner (talk) 21:59, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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Template:United States congressional apportionment

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * United States congressional apportionment

It was only used by one article (United States congressional apportionment), into which I've now substituted it. Therefore it is unused. —GoldRingChip 17:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Unnecessary. Reywas92 Talk 16:22, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't imagine a template this obscure becoming useful at any point in the future, so delete.  Andrew327 21:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Hostels

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The result of the discussion was no consensus, as the template changed significantly throughout the discussion. Feel free to renominate it. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hostels

imprecise name, and navigates only one article. Frietjes (talk) 16:39, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * note that when I nominated it, it looked [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Hostels&oldid=547290071 like this]. Frietjes (talk) 23:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added more articles. — rybec   23:07, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:SPEEDYKEEP? —  nerd fighter  23:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The articles I added are about present-day hostels and hostelling associations, sorted by country. I had changed the title but Frietjes undid the change: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Hostels&diff=547345576&oldid=547344220]. I'm not knowledgeable about the naming conventions for navboxes, but perhaps a more experienced edtor knows a way to resolve the concern about the name without deletion. — rybec   23:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * the name must be the same as the template name, or the edit links won't work. notice how the 'V' link is red in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Hostels&oldid=547344220 your version]. Frietjes (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Before I offer my opinion, where is this hoped to be used outside of what already uses it? — User:Technical 13  ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 23:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It originally had the title "Hostels in Canada". I found only five articles in Category:Hostels in Canada. The ones I added, as I mentioned, are about present-day hostels and hostelling associations, sorted by country. The ones in Israel and Palestine are called caravanserais. I tried to include everything under Category:Hostels, Category:Hostelling International member associations and Category:Youth hostelling except articles about former hostels, books, and people. — rybec   23:52, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep: May I recommend that next time you wish to start such a project, you first create the navbox or other template in your userspace, flag it as userspace draft, and then move it where you think it should actually go once it is completed (or very near completion). — User:Technical 13  ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 10:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I can see a case for a navbox which linked overview articles on hostelling by country, and for a set of navboxes linking regional groupings of individual hostels, but not for this indiscriminate collection of everything-to-do-with-hostels. If the creator is willing to use this template as the basis for a set of more coherent templates, I'd be happy for it to to be moved to userified, but otherwise it should be deleted. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:57, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep There are more than enough links in the template now. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Technical_13, this template was created by another editor, not by me: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Hostels&action=history]. Frietjes, have your concerns been resolved? — rybec   02:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * the template has now moved to the other end of the spectrum, and is problematic in that it is not sufficiently logically connected, as indicated by BHG below. Frietjes (talk) 00:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete or move to userspace. The current version of the navbox is a logical mess. It contains a mixture of national hostelling organisations and individual hostels, with no sign of any visual or logical distinction between them, nor of any criteria for which individual hostels are included. There are thousands of hostels around the world, and a template linking them all directly in this way is far too broad.
 * I've changed the title to indicate the inclusion criteria, which as I said are present-day hostels and hostelling associations, not everything to do with hostels. This navbox doesn't navigate thousands of articles, only 54: as far as I know, Wikipedia doesn't have "thousands" of articles on this topic, nor do "overview articles on hostelling by country" exist. As for distinguishing the links to articles about individual hostels from the ones about hostelling associations, all but one (YHA Australia, which could instead be written out as "Youth Hostelling Association Australia") of the articles about associations are readily distinguishable by having the words "Association", "International" or "Hostels" (plural), or by being in the "worldwide" group. — rybec   20:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Tbullet-n

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Tbullet-n

This template doesn't add any benefit to Tbullet and is redundant. — User:Technical 13  ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 13:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: Hi. I'm the template's creator. When I created it,, in absence of additional parameters, generated trash. (Until this day, I do not know why.) But that was the case and brooding over it would not have helped. Now, as long as the following examples look alike, deleting this template is alright in my book:


 * And by the way, can someone please fix the inline bug? This template does not behave like an inline template.


 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 14:27, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What inline bug? Does Tbullet/testcases‎ via Tbullet/sandbox fix what you are describing?  It is a template that creates a bulleted list, which is a block element of sorts as it is.  — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 14:33, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey. I didn't know you've set up a sandbox. I'll head over there. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 15:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You mean like this?... Template:Tbullet/testcases It appears that Tbullet-n is superior to the live Tbullet.  The sandbox for Tbullet seems to have helped, but it needs to go live.  Since Tbullet-n is used on about twice as many pages as Tbullet, it's difficult to support its deletion as long as the present Tbullet is still live and still generating trash.  When Tbullet is working properly, will Tbullet-n be redirected to it? –  P AINE E LLSWORTH  <sup style="font-size:x-small; color:blue; font-family:Arial;">C LIMAX !  00:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, so then consensus seems to be to apply my fixes to Tbullet, redirect Tbullet-n (I've also requested permission to use AWB on this site to change all of the usage of Tbullet-n to Tbullet removing the need for a redirect.), and then delete Tbullet-n. Once I get approved for AWB, I'll start the process. — User:Technical 13   ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 14:59, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * . – P AINE E LLSWORTH  <sup style="font-size:x-small; color:blue; font-family:Arial;">C LIMAX !  20:03, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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