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Template:Dasol

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Dasol

merged with Dasol, Pangasinan. Frietjes (talk) 23:14, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:The U-Men

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The U-Men

WP:NENAN The Banner talk 22:48, 17 May 2013 (UTC) --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:45, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 *  Keep  - Navbox has four albums that do not link to one another without it.
 * 1) U-Men (album)  does not link to  Step on a Bug  nor  Solid Action 
 * 2) Stop Spinning does not link to  Solid Action 
 * 3) Step on a Bug does not link to  U-Men (album) 
 * 4) Solid Action does not link to  U-Men (album)  nor  Solid Action 
 * Sigh, just use normal wikilinking The Banner talk 20:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC) gosh, I hope it won't take long before you get your topic ban and are kicked off templates.

 Reply  - Show me how. If this is the solution, then why do we have ANY navboxes AT ALL? Maybe there should be a ban against The Banner nominating anything for XfD? --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:13, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You know the basics of wikilinking well enough to create dodgy templates, so why would you not know how to create wikilinks in articles? Nice filibuster, Jax. Won't save you. The Banner talk 22:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 *  Reply  - According to the filibuster article on Wikipedia, "A filibuster is a type of parliamentary procedure where debate is extended, allowing one or more members to delay or entirely prevent a vote on a given proposal". What PROOF is there that I am filibustering???  What I am doing cannot possibly delay a vote on this proposal, and is simply asking legitimate questions regarding the XfD.  These questions are being blatantly ignored a great deal of the time instead of being answered with either a legitimate answer, or being told that it is none of my business.  If wikilinking is the solution, then The Banner (not I) has the burden of proof that this is the case.  IMHO, there is not a good place to inject wikilinks to all of the albums, and "See Also" sections are more difficult to maintain. --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * keep, four albums plus one artist is enough, although I may change my mind (no thank you spam please). Frietjes (talk) 18:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox university campus
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Infobox university campus

from the current transclusions, it is redundant to either infobox building, or infobox statue, or infobox residential college, or infobox university. Frietjes (talk) 21:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant, after replacing each of the only 67 transclusions with one or other of the above, as appropriate. . Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:08, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Dx
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * dx

redundant to stack and multiple image (note, I replaced it in about a dozen articles). Frietjes (talk) 20:24, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Bosnia and Herzegovina national football team - World Cup 2014 qualifying
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Bosnia and Herzegovina national football team - World Cup 2014 qualifying

Not conventional to maintain templates for qualifying phases of major tournaments. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Not conventional and the squad varies to much for it to make sense to maintain templates like this. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:00, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately this template really appears to be "not conventional", although it serves it's purpose. Also, templates for all non-senior squads, regardless of their official competition registration, will probably suffer same faith --Santasa99 (talk) 15:47, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Stigni (talk) 17:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - If we had navboxes for every squad ever put together, we would be drowning in templates, so we have to draw the line somewhere. This navbox falls below that line. – PeeJay 11:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - pure overkill. GiantSnowman 12:42, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Chess pos2
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Chess pos2

unused fork of Chess position. Frietjes (talk) 15:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Chess position uncheckered
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:14, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Chess position uncheckered

unused fork of Chess position. Frietjes (talk) 15:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Chess position t
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:14, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Chess position t

unused fork of Chess position. Frietjes (talk) 15:07, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Reversi
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:14, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Reversi

unused fork of chess diagram. Frietjes (talk) 15:01, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Redundant to Reversi diagram small. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  ♠ 07:27, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * good point, we should merge it with the small template. Frietjes (talk) 18:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Japan Squad 2007 U-20 World Cup
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:14, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Japan Squad 2007 U-20 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 2005 U-20 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 2003 U-20 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 2001 U-20 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 1999 U-20 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 1997 U-20 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 1995 U-20 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 1979 U-20 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 1993 U-17 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 1995 U-17 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 2001 U-17 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 2007 U-17 World Cup
 * Japan Squad 2009 U-17 World Cup

Delete template and similar for the same nation (13 navboxes total) per this deletion discussion, which established that these types of navboxes fail WP:NAVBOX 2-4 C 679 11:27, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete all We should not have navigation templates for any non-senior squads, as the players are not necessarily notable. Number   5  7  13:52, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Even for senior or championship squads, these roster lists represent only a single moment in time for any individual that is really no more notable than any other single moment in time.  Consequently, they are just clutter. Resolute 17:07, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all - per previous consensus, youth templates are not considered notable. GiantSnowman 12:42, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all There not notable, only senior tournaments should have templates (World Cup, Confederations Cup, Olympics and Continental tournaments), there are other youth template that exist and should also be deleted. Countries like USA, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Germany and many others have youth tournament templates, like youth World Cup and continental youth tournaments.  GoPurple  'n  Gold24   22:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep U-20, Delete U-17 - I do agree that having templates for every under-17 squads is a bit overkill, but keeping the under-20 ones seems reasonable as they follow most of the guidelines in WP:NAVBOX. These types of navboxes does not fail WP:NAVBOX 2-4; it is the Yugoslavian U21-squad that failed those criteria, and I haven't seen a discussion where we agreed on deleting every youth-team template. Category:FIFA U-20 World Cup squads tells me that all of the U-20 templates pass WP:NAVBOX #4 (same goes for the under-17 squads). When it comes to NAVBOX #2 (which I find most important), the under-17 tournaments are rarely mentioned in the articles, but 13 of 22 articles listed in Template:Japan Squad 2007 U-20 World Cup does mention the subject of the template, which makes me believe that it would be easier to fix the remaining 9 than deleting the template. I think we should examine all of the articles in each of the templates, to see if the templates actually meets #2 or not. Also remember that WP:NAVBOX doesn't say that all five of the guidelines should be followed, only that is should follow "some" of these guidelines. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:38, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I severely doubt anyone looking at the Susumu Oki article would want to go on to look at Shinji Otsuka (oh yes, the guy who he was in the squad with in the 1995 youth world cup). What was previously established is that playing in these youth tournaments does not confer notability, so I feel the right thing to do with these templates is to delete the lot, and others above share that point of view. C 679 05:02, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * delete all per current consensus. Frietjes (talk) 18:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:South Korea Squad 2011 U-20 World Cup
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * South Korea Squad 2011 U-20 World Cup
 * South Korea Squad 2009 U-20 World Cup
 * South Korea Squad 2007 U-20 World Cup
 * South Korea Squad 2005 U-20 World Cup
 * South Korea Squad 2003 U-20 World Cup
 * South Korea Squad 1999 U-20 World Cup
 * South Korea Squad 1997 U-20 World Cup
 * South Korea Squad 1993 U-20 World Cup
 * Korea Squad 1991 U-20 World Cup
 * South Korea Squad 1983 U-20 World Cup
 * South Korea Squad 1981 U-20 World Cup
 * South Korea Squad 1979 U-20 World Cup

Delete template and similar for the same nation (12 navboxes total) per this deletion discussion, which established that these types of navboxes fail WP:NAVBOX 2-4 C 679 10:07, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all We should not have navigation templates for any non-senior squads, as the players are not necessarily notable. Number   5  7  10:19, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete all. Even for senior or championship squads, these roster lists represent only a single moment in time for any individual that is really no more notable than any other single moment in time.  Consequently, they are just clutter. Resolute 17:08, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all - per previous consensus, youth templates are not considered notable. GiantSnowman 12:42, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all Per my reason of the Japan templates.  GoPurple  'n  Gold24   22:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep U-20, Delete U-17  - per my reasoning in the discussion about Japan above. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This nomination only covers U20 templates. C 679 04:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my copy-paste error. :p Mentoz86 (talk) 05:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * delete all per current consensus. Frietjes (talk) 18:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Inc1
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Inc1
 * Inc2
 * Inc3
 * Inc4
 * Inc5
 * Inc6

Plain text would be much simpler, and more intuitive in the edit window.  Imzadi 1979  →   05:07, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all. I can understand wanting to save a few keystrokes, but this is not the way to do it. –Fredddie™ 05:25, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * All templates were closed as keep. QM 400032  (ta lk)  05:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That is for an admin to decide, not for you to decide. --Rschen7754 06:01, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think the minor gain in consistency that these add is worth the additional complexity. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:59, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, names are not intuitive, and does not save much in terms of keystrokes. Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Ou Est Le Swimming Pool
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:13, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ou Est Le Swimming Pool

Only two unique, directly related links. Even the "related articles" are a bit questionable here, as the only relationship is that the acts played at the same festival. WP:NENAN. On a side note, is it necessary to create a redirect for every song from their sole album and categorize it? (See Category:Ou Est Le Swimming Pool songs) -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 04:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * delete, only links three articles. Frietjes (talk) 18:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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