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Template:Infobox AFLChamp1960

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The result of the discussion was merge the stop condition into Infobox AFLChamp Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:25, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox AFLChamp1960

Appears to be a close variant of Infobox AFLChamp, created because the latter automatically calculates and displays the preceding year; yet 1960 was the first. Such functionality should be included in the main template. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:48, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete if the main template is changed to handle the first year —PC-XT+ 05:46, 21 December 2014 (UTC) which is, basically, merge —PC-XT+ 15:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge functionality into Infobox AFLChamp. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 11:07, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Mexican Cabinet

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The result of the discussion was keep. Despite having only been used in two articles, the amount of pre-filled params is sufficient to make it sufficiently useful for those few pages to keep Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox Mexican Cabinet

Unused wrapper (I Subst: the only two transclusions). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:08, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * keep or replace with a simple wikitable. Frietjes (talk) 00:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This template is probably large enough that since it is relevant to two articles, it can probably be kept. —PC-XT+ 07:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Philippines cabinet

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The result of the discussion was keep. Despite having only been used in two articles, the amount of pre-filled params is sufficient to make it sufficiently useful for those few pages to keep Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox Philippines cabinet

Unused wrapper (I Subst: the only two transclusions). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:02, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * keep or replace with a simple wikitable. Frietjes (talk) 00:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This template is probably large enough that since it is relevant to two articles, it can probably be kept. —PC-XT+ 07:58, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Taiwan cabinet

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:22, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox Taiwan cabinet

Unused wrapper (I Subst: the only transclusion). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:58, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * delete this one. Frietjes (talk) 22:19, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Liberian Cabinet

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The result of the discussion was delete Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 22:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox Liberian Cabinet

Unused wrapper (I Subst: the only transclusion). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:56, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * delete this one. Frietjes (talk) 22:19, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox South Korean musician awards

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The result of the discussion was delete as unused Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox South Korean musician awards

Unused. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:38, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Americas Cup year

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The result of the discussion was delete as unused Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox Americas Cup year

Unused. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:28, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment the template in use is Template:Infobox Americas Cup competition -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 07:39, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Not accoridng to Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Infobox Americas Cup year. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:35, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as unused per IP —PC-XT+ 09:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox PLFA team

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The result of the discussion was delete as unused Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:44, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox PLFA team

Unused. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox NWHL team

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The result of the discussion was delete as unused Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:42, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox NWHL team

Unused. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:24, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Unused template for a defunct league. — Jkudlick t c s 07:58, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Simpsons characters

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The result of the discussion was merge with Infobox Simpsons character. This has already been performed by resolving the plurarisation of the voice actors. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox Simpsons characters

Redundant to infobox character Infobox Simpsons character, with which I have replaced the only three instances. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:13, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I have undone your edits for the time being. If the template is deleted, THEN it should be replaced. I should also point out that the "better infobox" uses more code (300+ characters) than this one.
 * To explain this template, it's essentially the easy solution to a problem we were having with Infobox Simpsons character. A few of the pages (Patty and Selma, Lenny and Carl and Kang and Kodos) are about two characters. So some of the language used in the other one was incorrect (ie. Voice actors vs. Voice actor). So this template provides an easy solution to the issue. In short, it makes the page better. No really good reason has been provided to support the deletion nomination, so I think it's an easy keep. Also, if we switch to the generic template, we will not be able to control what is added to pages (ie. Age, Birth place, etc.) and some things are inconsistent, which will lead to edit wars. -- Scorpion 0422  01:40, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a pretty poor reason to mass revert edits to articles. An infobox having more lines of code than another is also neither a reason to mass revert edits, nor to keep a redundant template. And we absolutely do not need a second template, just to deal with a plural label. The "good reason" provided is the redundancy; this is explained at length in Infobox consolidation. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge. The articles Huey, Dewey, and Louie and Hubie and Bertie are among the several examples of the use of multiple animated characters. The parameter used for the voice actors is, where the label "Voiced by" is displayed. As for not being "able to control what is added to pages", that is really a ongoing sitewide infobox vandalism/edit war problem throughout Wikipedia (which should go through the normal WP:DISPUTE/WP:3RR/WP:RFPP, etc. processes), so it should not be used as an excuse not to merge a template that is only used on on a handful of articles. Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:31, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't really have a problem with this template being deleted, but if edit wars over template paramaters is a "problem throughout Wikipedia", isn't that a strong argument to give shows their own templates? Each show is different. For example, with characters from Lost, it's easy to tell which episode "belongs" to which character, so you can have a "featured episodes" parameter. Others may warrant a "created by" parameter. In others, things like age, occupation and family may be important and unchanging character info (the same thing goes for episodes too). It's very unfortunate that this change has been forced upon TV show editors and I remember the edit wars WP:DOH used to have over various parameters before we decided it wasn't worth it and removed them. -- Scorpion 0422  23:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've updated the label on Infobox Simpsons character to "Voiced by", and replaced the three instances of the nominated template with that. Merging that with infobox character is for a separate discussion. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:32, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox comic strip character

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The result of the discussion was delete as redundant to Infobox character Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox comic strip character

Redundant to Infobox character, with which I have replaced it on the only six articles where it was in use.. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:58, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete if it's really in only six articles, but don't you mean replace it with Infobox comics character? (How can we tell which articles use the templates?) Prhartcom (talk) 17:14, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I don't. For usage, see "What links here", (usually) in the left-hand column of the template's page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:39, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. They should put a sign on it, "For superheros only." Thanks for the handy tip. Prhartcom (talk) 21:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox RTCA standard

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The result of the discussion was delete as uncontested deletion request
 * Infobox RTCA standard

Redundant to Infobox technology standard, with which I have just replaced the only half-dozen instances. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:14, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:SAE standard

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The result of the discussion was delete, uncontested deleteion rquest Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * SAE standard

Redundant to Infobox technology standard, with which I have just replaced the only two instances. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:13, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Member states of the Council of Europe
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The result of the discussion was delete as unused and redundant to Council of Europe Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:36, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Member states of the Council of Europe

This basically duplicates the second and third rows of Template:Council of Europe, listing the Council of Europe's members and observers, respectively. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:24, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. It isn't used on any articles anyways. AHeneen (talk) 09:50, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
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Template:England national under-21 football team results
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The result of the discussion was delete per nom Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:31, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * England national under-21 football team results

Serves no purpose, does not navigate between sufficient articles. GiantSnowman 09:27, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 09:28, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per GiantSnowman's nomination statement. We generally expect more than two linked articles to justify a navbox.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:54, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:NENAN - insufficient links to be a useful aid to navigation at the moment. Fenix down (talk) 19:11, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Ford modern v8 engines 2010
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The result of the discussion was delete as redundant to Ford engine timeline Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:29, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Ford modern v8 engines 2010

Very small usage for template; content largely duplicated by Template: Ford engine timeline. Timeline forecasts content up to 2039. SteveCof00My Suggestion box is open 07:28, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Bleudegascogne
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The result of the discussion was merge, which has already been done Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Bleudegascogne
 * French dogs

Propose merging Template:Bleudegascogne with Template:French dogs.

The content of the Blue de Gascogne template is not sufficient to warrant a stand alone template. Additionally all four breeds are covered in the French Dogs and Template:Hounds. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 04:52, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support I agree, it makes better sense. Miyagawa (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Spaniels
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The result of the discussion was merge. This has already been done. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:12, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Spaniels
 * Gundogs

Propose merging Template:Spaniels with Template:Gundogs.

All the breeds covered have links to the Spaniel page, which also contains a consolidated list (with photos and basic breed info) of all breeds in this template. Those spaniel breeds not used as gundogs are all covered by their national templates and Template:Toy dogs or Template:Extinct dog breeds. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 04:38, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support I agree - gundogs are much better defined, and makes more sense. Miyagawa (talk) 22:36, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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