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Template:Southland Conference West

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 05:04, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Southland Conference West

unused. Frietjes (talk) 23:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:15, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox college marching band UK

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 20:40, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox college marching band UK

Only three transclusions. Redundant to, and possible fork of, Infobox college marching band. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:44, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge to Infobox college marching band.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:16, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox college marching band Canada

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 20:40, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox college marching band Canada

Only two transclusions. Redundant to, and possible fork of, Infobox college marching band. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge to Infobox college marching band.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:16, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox government cabinet

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The result of the discussion was do not merge Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:27, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox government cabinet (Transclusion count: 178)
 * Infobox cabinet (Transclusion count: 110)

Propose merging Template:Infobox government cabinet with Template:Infobox cabinet.

Apparently, these serve the same purpose. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * do not merge, they don't serve the same purpose. Frietjes (talk) 23:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * In which case, what are the differences? Why are thy neither documented, nor apparent from the template names? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The fact that they are undocumented and have similar titles are indeed problems that need to be fixed, but do not constitute reasons to merge them. If you look at how they are used on articles, you'll see that they indeed serve a different purpose: Infobox cabinet only provides a list of (US-style) cabinet members or similar appointments, whereas Infobox government cabinet contains various data about cabinets of parliamentary-system governments. I think improvement is certainly welcome, but I wouldn't merge them in their current forms. SPQRobin (talk) 14:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Do not merge, they don't serve the same purpose. Kndimov (talk) 00:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox secondary school

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 20:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox secondary school

Redundant to Infobox school, which has over ten times the number of transclusions. Keep as a redirect. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * merge Frietjes (talk) 23:32, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - This template has 1989 transclusions; it's on is too many pages to make such a drastic change easily. This infobox usefully distinguishes secondary schools from other schools. -   t  u coxn \ talk 21:06, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The number alone is nor a reason to keep; nor is the change overly complex (simply make the template a wrapper for Infobox school; have a bot 'subst:' it when done). A good number, probably the majority, of articles using Infobox school are about secondary schools; the distinction is already lost. Furthermore, Infobox school has a type parameter, so that the distinction can be made unambiguously. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:18, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge as Andy said, most articles about secondary schools already use Infobox school.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:18, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge. Number may not be a reason to keep, but why produce unnecessary pain and effort?  A merge meets multiple goals and is simple. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 14:56, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge to reduce redundancy and avoid editor confusion. I could never figure out which of these to use, and vaguely recall that (at least at one point) they had slightly different fields (either the names, or the granularity of certain pieces of data). Is one really a superset of the other now? WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines does not even list the secondary-specific one among its "most common templates used for primary and secondary schools" set" (yes, I checked that this was not modified recently in relation to this TfD:). Tucoxn says Infobox secondary school is specific for secondary (vs the generic-sounding Infobox school one), but Template:Infobox secondary school/doc says exactly the opposite (and even explicitly recommends the generic-sounding one as the preferred alternative for US cases). DMacks (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge, per Andy above. jareha <sup class="plainlinksneverexpand">(comments) 19:59, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge. Anything we can do to reduce the confusing profusion of school infoboxes from the earlier days of the project is good. Daniel Case (talk) 14:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox rare currency
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The result of the discussion was merge with Infobox banknote. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 20:39, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox rare currency

Only five transclusions. Redundant to Infobox currency (Transclusion count: 369), into which any required parameters may be added. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete and replace with IB currency.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:35, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * do not replace with infobox currency, but consider merging with infobox banknote. the rare currency template is being used for rare/misprint banknotes. Frietjes (talk) 14:34, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Note that there are in fact only four transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge with IB banknote <tt>—PC-XT+</tt> 17:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox School System
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 * Infobox School System

Single use. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:11, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * redirect to template:infobox school district (replaced [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guilford_County_Schools&diff=596071141&oldid=523533506 here]). Frietjes (talk) 19:24, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Boldly done. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:43, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Patriarchate
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:08, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox Patriarchate

Five transclusions; virtually identical to Template:Infobox official post. A sample conversion can be found here. eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * merge with official post. Frietjes (talk) 19:26, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:46, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox court case 2
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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 20:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox court case
 * Infobox court case 2

Propose merging Template:Infobox court case 2 with Template:Infobox court case.

A suggested in #2's documentation. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:22, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, particularly as the creator of "Infobox court case 2" himself suggests a merger. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 11:44, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, of course. Unless there have been recent changes to IB court case, they can be merged by simply copying court case 2 to court case.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Neutral, I like the light-blue background highlighting that appears in court case 2 as it structures the different sections of the infobox better than alternatives and so if this merge goes forward, then I think we should adopt the layout of cc2 as an improvement over cc, but it's unclear from this proposal which format will survive the merger. Brianwc (talk) 20:40, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't see how they are meant to merge, though. Do you just mean to scrap no 2, and so lose the blue bits? If that's it, then I'm all in favour if the creator is suggesting it.  Wik idea  12:55, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support, with Brianwc's modification - the light-blue background highlighting in Infobox court case 2 should be added to Infobox court case if merged. Ithinkicahn (talk) 10:40, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support now I'm afraid sorry, if we want to have a debate about the way to change the generic infobox, that should be done separately. This isn't really a merging debate, but a changing the templates debate. If you want a changing the templates debate that's absolutely fine: but we need to know what the proposal actually looks like before it's possible to make an informed choice.  Wik idea  12:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * This most certainly is a merge proposal; it's even suggested in the documentation of one of the templates. Once that's done, any future discussion about development or styling may take place on the talk page of the merged template,. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:03, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm persuaded. Go for a merger, and then we can discuss how it looks later.  Wik idea  15:03, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support a merge either way (no preference on the blue highlights) <tt>—PC-XT+</tt> 08:25, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support merging; there's no reason to have overlapping templates. If people like the blue backgrounds, that can be proposed as a modification to the IB court case template. —<b style="border:1px solid #C5BE83;background-color:#F5DEB3;font-size:0.9em;"> LinguistAtLarge • Talk </b> 21:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Italian wine
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The result of the discussion was merge. Can someone knowledgeable in wines please update the seven transcluded wines (and then alert me and I will merge the templates)? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:51, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox Italian wine

Only seven transclusions. Redundant to Infobox grape variety (Transclusion count: 352) or Infobox wine region (Transclusion count: 369). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:19, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure about this one, the articles are about the wine brand, rather than the kind of grape or the region of origin. What about using Template:Infobox beverage?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:08, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * These don't appear to be merely brands, but regions. e.g. Ostuni DOC -> "The village of Ostuni that lends it name to DOC region". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:49, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * keep pending demonstration of redundancy. Frietjes (talk) 19:26, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You say that in a number of discussions. It's tiresome. Just look at the template names, let alone their descriptions; the redundancy is readily apparent. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:22, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I looked again and it appears it is not redundant, so keep it pending a demonstration of redundancy. Frietjes (talk) 01:19, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Again: the redundancy is readily apparent, even from just the template names. See also the comment from User:Agne27, below. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - As a wine editor (though admittedly one who hates infoboxes), the Italian one is redundant to Infobox wine region. An Italian Denominazione di origine controllata (DOC) or DOCG is a wine region, much like an American Viticultural Area (AVA). It is not a wine brand, like Cold Duck or Charles Shaw. Numerous different wineries can produce several different wines or wine brands within a DOC/G as long as they follow the particular laws and regulations for that DOC/G. AgneCheese/Wine 23:51, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete and substitute with Infobox wine region. Given the small number of transclusions, and the fact that most of them are transcluded by articles about regions anyway, I believe this is the best course of action. ~Amatulić (talk) 14:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox wine grape variety
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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox wine grape variety

Only 26 transclusions. Redundant to Infobox grape variety (Transclusion count: 352). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge with grape variety, they cover the same topic.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge with grape variety. Two different infoboxes are not needed to cover the same topic. AgneCheese/Wine 23:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox dark nebula
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The result of the discussion was merge with Infobox nebula. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox dark nebula (Transclusion count: 14)
 * Infobox diffuse nebula (Transclusion count: 73)

Propose merging Template:Infobox dark nebula with Template:Infobox diffuse nebula.

Very similar templates. Merge as Infobox nebula, with a type parameter. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:59, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:09, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment if these are merged, the names should remain as redirects; and a new edit history should start with the new merged form, with the old edit histories residing at the old names. The new merged template should also use a third color to indicate when type is not selected. (there are more than two types of nebulae, so third color is needed anwyays, and more when the other types are filled in) -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 00:22, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * History attribution can be taken care of with copied on the three talk pages. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 10:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose; distinct types of astronomical objects should have distinct infobox templates; doesn't matter if they are similar. StringTheory11 (t • c) 18:33, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Why do you think that they should? Why is a parameter specifying the type not adequate - indeed, better? Generally, we consider mergers based on the parameters in the template, not subdivisions of the type of subject. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:32, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: IP editor 70.50.151.11 (see comment above) has just created Infobox nebula, which I have nominated for discussion. I have also nominated Infobox emission nebula. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:01, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, though I agree the discussion should have closed, or at least been more unanimous before creating the template. <tt>—PC-XT+</tt> 16:20, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * To clarify: it appears that has been created as yet another variant, not a merger of the above.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Right. The creator apparently wanted to make a template that would provide a redundancy argument to help delete the other variants, but consensus for this should have come first. <tt>—PC-XT+</tt> 02:03, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox hotspot custom
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The result of the discussion was delete Infobox moon hot spot data since it is unused, and there seems to be no objections. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:42, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox hotspot custom
 * Infobox moon hot spot data

Propose merging Template:Infobox hotspot custom with Template:Infobox moon hot spot data.

Similar templates; only three transclusions between them. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:09, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment it appears you can subst and delete the "moon" one, since it calls "infobox hotspot custom" -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 00:33, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Boldy done. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:37, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge or Delete Template:Infobox moon hot spot data as it's not being used on any articles or pages. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 14:54, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Update: There now appears to be only a single transclusion. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:11, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:International young physicists' tournaments
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:59, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * International young physicists' tournaments

currently only navigates one sub-article. Frietjes (talk) 01:02, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, not useful for navigation.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:57, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William 13:55, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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