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Template:Bountywp

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The result of the discussion was moving, and marking as historical. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:07, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Bountywp

Now that the Bounty Board is inactive and there are therefore no more open bounties, this template should no longer be used as it will confuse people into thinking, incorrectly, that they can still claim bounties there. Jinkinson  talk to me  22:57, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Mark historical and deprecate to show people the development history of Wikipedia. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 06:20, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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Basketball infoboxes

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The result of the discussion was merge with Infobox basketball club. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox NBA team (Only 66 transclusions)
 * Infobox NBADL team (Only 29 transclusions)
 * Infobox Korean Basketball League team (Only three transclusions)
 * Infobox WNBL team (Only five transclusions)
 * Infobox BBL team (Only three transclusions)
 * Infobox NBL club (Only sixteen transclusions)
 * Infobox CBA team (Unused (and undocumented) wrapper)

All redundant to Infobox basketball club (Transclusion count: 988) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:47, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep the NBA and the NBADL templates, delete the rest. Jhenny38 (Starters talk, My contributions) 09:27, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please explain why you think we need to keep two three templates, and not merge them into one.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:48, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Because if you use the Basketball club template, it would include the sponsor= (Main sponsor) tag, which the NBA does not have on their jerseys (but the NBA Development League does on their jerseys). And when you enter a team name (ex: Los Angeles Lakers) on the NBA template, it will show the color syntax, while entering a non-NBA name which include defunct NBA teams like the Vancouver Grizzlies will not give the color syntax (the NBADL template does not have these but there are color1= and color2=, found in the Basketball Club template). The NBADL template in another hand would mostly feature the affilations or the affiliations= tag which does not appear on the Basketball Club template, as it is a recruit to another team when it's the NBA Draft night or the player is ready to go to a NBA team. The rest of these would merge on the Basketball Club template because it is identical to the basketball club template. That's why I am still keeping the NBA and the NBADL templates and delete and merge the rest into the Basketball Club template. Jhenny38 (Starters talk, My contributions) 14:14, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The sponsor parameter in is optional, so would not display in such cases. The color facility, if necessary, could be included in the generic template, for NBA teams; as could the affiliations parameter for cases where it is needed.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:25, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok. Now I understand these. Another reason, the retired, conf_champs, div_champs and the ret_nums are not found in the and would be found in the NBA template only.  Jhenny38 (Starters talk, My contributions) 09:17, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * We can add those to the generic template. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:03, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, deal. Now this is how we close the discussion perhaps. Jhenny38 (Starters talk, My contributions) 04:49, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom, while merging important parameters (if any) to Infobox basketball club.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 03:35, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Deleting Template:Infobox NBL club should be fine. I have been converting most of the current NBL clubs into the 'common' Template:Infobox basketball club mainly so I could add the kits. Was totally unaware of the common basketball infobox. This will be much better. Eccy89 (talk) 16:22, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep at least the NBA and NBADL, per Jhenny38. Considering different parameters, I don't think they are redundant templates and are well designed, so I don't think there is anything to gain by deleting them. mikeman67 (talk) 00:39, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all and add parameters like retired numbers, affiliations, conference titles to the Infobox basketball club template. --Harryhurry (talk) 14:15, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Olympic sports

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 March 11 Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:16, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox women's national basketball team - Universiade

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox women's national basketball team - Universiade

Only one transclusion. Orphaned. Redundant to Infobox women's national basketball team (Transclusion count: 44). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I assume I chose this template to use in USA Women's World University Games Team because I probably found it in a Universiade article, but it looks to me like Infobox women's national basketball team works; in fact, I've already switched.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  21:36, 27 February 2014 (UTC)-- S Philbrick  (Talk)  21:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:04, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Support deletion-- S Philbrick (Talk)  22:15, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox women's national basketball team - Ux

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox women's national basketball team - Ux

Only two transclusions. Orphaned Redundant to Infobox women's national basketball team (Transclusion count: 44). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Support deletion-- S Philbrick (Talk)  22:15, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I've removed it from the two articles where it was transcluded-- S Philbrick (Talk)  22:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:02, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Taiwan baseball team
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:39, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox Taiwan baseball team

Only three transclusions Unused. Redundant to Infobox baseball team (Transclusion count: 254). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 03:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Update: Now orphaned. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:13, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox KBO team
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:41, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox KBO team

Only eleven transclusions. Redundant to Infobox baseball team (Transclusion count: 254). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 03:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox defunct NECBL team
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 02:59, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox defunct NECBL team

Only four transclusions. Redundant to Infobox baseball team (Transclusion count: 254). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:33, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 03:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Billcasey905 (talk) 13:31, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Defunct Independent Baseball
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:36, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox Defunct Independent Baseball

Only six transclusions. Redundant to Infobox independent baseball team (transclusion count: 238), to which any necessary parameter should be added. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete and replace with Infobox independent baseball team.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 03:41, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox badminton league
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:22, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox badminton league

Single use. Perhaps redundant to a more generic template? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Replace with Template:Infobox sports league.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 03:41, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Welk Music Group
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:36, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Welk Music Group

WP:NENAN, only three links. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox AFL grand final2
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The result of the discussion was merge --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:41, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Infobox AFL grand final2

Single use. Apparent fork of Infobox AFL grand final (Transclusion count: 24) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:55, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It appears to be better written than the template it was forked from. Merge changes back into it, then delete the redirect. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:16, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge per Jackmcbarn�.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:03, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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Template:TAPPS 6A
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:03, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * TAPPS 6A

there is no longer a TAPPS 6A. Frietjes (talk) 17:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom <tt>—PC-XT+</tt> 10:55, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Largest cities of India
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The result of the discussion was RfC opened. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 15:32, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Largest cities of India

This template includes a citation, and as such is required to go above any or Reflist section. This template is also what is considered a navigational box which is required to sit at the very bottom of articles below any or Reflist section. As such, this is a contradiction in of itself and any placement of this template will require consensus. What ever the results of this Template for Discussion are, they should be noted in the documentation for the template (and possibly the Largest cities meta template). Thank you. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 15:17, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Is there consensus to allow this NAVBOX to go into the context of the article?
 * Should (can) the included citation be removed or otherwise presented so that this NAVBOX does not need to go into the context of the article?
 * Should all of the navigational properties of the template be removed so that it is no longer a NAVBOX?
 * Should this NAVBOX simply be deleted?
 * Comment There is the option to use a second invocation of reflist below (or within) the navbox. I'm not sure if we'd want that though. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is a navbox. It is more like a mid-article infobox template using the navbox template as a master. None of the templates in Category:Largest cities of Asia templates appear to be used on the city articles they link too. This information could be better displayed than in this current unorthodox usage. SFB 21:41, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I think the questions should be raised on the talkpage of the template (maybe via RfC) and notified at WP:INDIA. Then depending on the outcome of that discussion, it might need to come back here for deletion. For the record, I've seen several of these largest city templates for various countries and I think that the top 20 or 30 is the norm for these.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 09:49, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have edited the template to remove the "reference" and simply add a link there itself. The reference doesn't have to be placed at the bottom of box as we do in traditional manner. Nevertheless, the template has only one transclusion at Demographics_of_India and that could still be a reason for deletion and merging it as text within the article, if no other venues can be imagined. I don't think its meant to be transcluded at the bottom of these 20 articles. But if all over here think it should be, i have no objections. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 11:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * There was an edit request on a semi-protected page to add this template which I declined as "nfn" pending this discussion. I'm sure that it "could" be used on most of the places listed in it, I just wanted to get a feel for if it should be. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 12:05, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep I have corrected the reference along the lines of Template:Largest cities in Turkey. Only the template page will now show the references in a list. All pages where the template is transcluded will NOT show the reference list. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 12:10, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * If the reference will not show, then we are back to the original problem here. Perhaps since Template:Largest cities in Turkey has this same problem, this discussion should be moved to a different venue like VPR? — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 12:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that this venue is inadequate. Every template in Category:City population templates would have this problem. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 14:22, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I had the idea that you wanted to delete the template because of the wrong reference! But it is just your confusion about what the template is and some questions. To be quick: this is not a navigation template but a "largest cities of ..."-template for use in an article, not necessarily at the bottom. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 14:42, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Nope. I'll work up an RfC on VPR in a moment and link that discussion here and close this discussion at that time. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 14:52, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Crelan-Euphony riders
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:04, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Crelan-Euphony riders

Per here and here. Just like Agritubel and Team RadioShack in those discussions, Crelan-Euphony is now a defunct cycling team, and in that regards, the template is now redundant. Craig (talk)  01:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * delete, defunct. Frietjes (talk) 23:40, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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