Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 June 27



Template:Big Brother sidebar

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:29, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Big Brother sidebar

Redundant to Infobox television, which should be used instead. ViperSnake151  Talk  22:54, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * comment can you provide a demonstration of redundancy? e.g., a side-by-side comparison using a specific article as an example? Frietjes (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Just look on any page for a show other than this. It contains all the fields needed for specifying dates, networks, hosts, producers, etc. A certain show does not require special treatment like this. ViperSnake151   Talk  23:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I see, so can't provide a specific example? in that case, keep since it's not clear how it will be replaced. Frietjes (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Kan 26 (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2014 (UTC): A custom infobox, if allowed.


 * If all the relevant information from the Big Brother sidebar can be merged into the Infobox television sidebar then I would see it as redundant. However you can't put the spin-off shows that air while the main program airs into it which is relevant information. So in this case I say keep unless information can be moved over to Infobox Television in an acceptable way.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  17:49, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Fort Smith, Arkansas neighborhoods

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:28, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Fort Smith, Arkansas neighborhoods

Contains no blue links except to Fort Smith itself. p b  p  18:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * delete, navigates nothing. Frietjes (talk) 23:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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NBA All-Star Game roster templates

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:20, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 2011 NBA East All-Star Roster
 * 2012 NBA East All-Star roster
 * 1989 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 1990 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 1991 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 1992 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 1993 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 1994 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 1995 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 1996 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 1997 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 1998 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 2000 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 2001 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 2002 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 2003 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 2004 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 2005 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 2006 NBA West All-Star roster
 * 2007 NBA West All-Star roster

Delete all because they are unused templates (not transcluded on any real articles) and they only sit on User:TheBestZebra's user page. They do not belong as templates in mainspace. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Delete all Not everything needs a navbox. Accomplished All-Stars would have template overload.—Bagumba (talk) 17:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * delete, navigation overkill. Frietjes (talk) 23:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, too many navbox templates for an exhibition roster, All-Star appearances already mentioned in the infobox and in the article. — MT (talk) 03:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Saturn Award for Best Actor 1974–1990 et al.

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:35, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Saturn Award for Best Actor 1974–1990
 * Saturn Award for Best Actor 1991–2010
 * Saturn Award for Best Actor 2011–2030
 * Saturn Award for Best Actor footer
 * Saturn Award for Best Actress 1974–1990
 * Saturn Award for Best Actress 1991–2010
 * Saturn Award for Best Actress 2011–2030
 * Saturn Award for Best Actress footer
 * Saturn Award for Best Director 1974–1990
 * Saturn Award for Best Director 1991–2010
 * Saturn Award for Best Director 2011–2030
 * Saturn Award for Best Music 1973–1990
 * Saturn Award for Best Music 1991–2010
 * Saturn Award for Best Music 2011–2030
 * Saturn Award for Best Music footer
 * Saturn Award for Best Science Fiction Film footer
 * Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actor 1974–1990
 * Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actor 1991–2010
 * Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actor 2011–2030
 * Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actor footer
 * Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actress 1974–1990
 * Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actress 1991–2010
 * Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actress 2011–2030
 * Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actress footer

Not needed. Template:Saturn Award for Best Actor, Template:Saturn Award for Best Actress, Template:Saturn Award for Best Director, Template:Saturn Award for Best Music, Template:Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actor, and Template:Saturn Award for Best Supporting Actress cover all just fine. —  Wylie pedia  13:26, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * delete, the merged versions work just fine. Frietjes (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, I agree with the nominator and previous comment. Sionk (talk) 11:04, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Unix internals

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Unix internals
 * Unix

Propose redirecting Template:Unix internals to Template:Unix.

Redundant template. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 09:33, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Seems logical enough, or at least make the smaller template such that it can be transcluded into the larger one so there's no blatant duplication. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 12:12, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't feel there's any need for that. The parent template already covers the nominated template's subject matter in its entirety. The biggest problem we have here is the high potential for duplication if this is simply redirected rather than deleted. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * What duplication do you anticipate? — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:32, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah. I hadn't realised that the nominated template had already been orphaned. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:02, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually it was recently accepted via WP:AFC and was not used yet at all. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 22:14, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete it's an orphaned, verbatim copied attempt at a POV fork that resulted from a content dispute. The template creator was trying to remove mobile operating systems from Template:Unix on the grounds that they lack a command line and therefore aren't Unix-like, even though the systems themselves directly contain code/modules from one of the major Unix-like branches, and therefore are internally Unix-like. Hence trying to create a fork for systems that are internally Unix-like. An abandoned, half baked scheme that was rejected. oknazevad (talk) 12:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Android doesn't have a (user-visible) Command line interpreter (CLI) - the only user-interface (UI) of original Unix. Yes, it has a shell for use by apps only (one of those apps could be an add-on terminal emulator providing the user interface, currently not done nor intended, by design, in AOSP/stock Android). My clarification was reverted. It seems to me a separate template for restricted "Unix-like" is needed. Grouping OSes with the original UI of Unix (much used every day, by me and other) and OSes without anything similar (eg. shell pipelines for end-users to use programs together - the Unix way, see Unix philosophy), gives the wrong idea - making Unix-like meaningless to me and others. comp.arch (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It was already discussed to death: default Android (AOSP) includes CLI – mksh. It lacks terminal emulators, but it is common in embedded Linux world. It surprisingly lacks ssh by default, but many older Unices, including original Unix system, also do not include it. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 16:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Android doesn't have a CLI - as a user interface, only a shell for internal use by programs. The Unix way is not just to use the shell to invoke *a* program but to use them together (a form of programming, by the 'user' if you will). Saying Andoid has a CLI is like saying Windows would still have a GUI if you couldn't use a mouse (or mouse emulation..) say be not including a mouse driver. comp.arch (talk) 16:03, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete - as WP:T3 (hardcoded duplication/POV fork) --Netoholic @ 05:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Propose transcluding Template:Unix internals into Template:Unix. The latter shouldn't include e.g. Android (unqualified), but if I understand transclusion correctly, then the former - inner template can add Android and other not-quite-Unix-like. comp.arch (talk) 16:19, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe my previous versions was better: Propose transcluding Template:Unix into Template:Unix internals. The former shouldn't include e.g. Android, but if I understand transclusion correctly, then the latter outer template can add Android and other not-quite-Unix-like. comp.arch (talk) 16:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Template:Unix should include Android, and there is strong local consensus for this inclusion both on template's talk page as well as at Android (operating system). Furthermore, the name of template:Unix internals is inappropriate for its content, because the template is not about internals of Unix, but rather about Unix-like operating systems. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 17:03, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete: Unix internals is obviously a completely redundant template. &mdash; Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:40, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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Template:2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo standings
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:33, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo standings
 * 2013 South East Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 1 (orphaned)
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 1
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 2
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 3
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 4
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 5
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 6
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 7
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 8
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 9
 * 2013 Southeast Asian Games Men's Water Polo game 10

I'm listing the table and the standings together because I don't see the need for any of this article content here to be put into templates, in particular templates for each individual game. Ricky81682 (talk) 08:19, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * delete, assuming the content has been merged with the respective article. Frietjes (talk) 23:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 *  Weak keep Delete, on the basis that this information is unlikely to change or require editing/updating . It is an eccentric method of embedding information in an article and I wouldn't want it to become the norm. But unless someone is proposing to do the work to rewrite/redesign the article I'd be inclined to leave it be. Sionk (talk) 11:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * !Vote changed on the basis someone's happy to make the changes. Sionk (talk) 18:00, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * As requested, all should be orphaned now. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You mean substitution of the text first? Yes, I'd be willing to do that but I don't it'll be particularly hard to get done. Because it won't need changing, I think the template should be deleted or you'll encourage really, really, really terrible ideas. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Find sources notice ambox ‎
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:12, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Find sources notice ambox ‎

Would violate WP:ELNO if used; it's a copy of a template designed to be used only on talk pages. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:46, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This template is a useful research tool, so I hope it won't be deleted. I created this template in order to find sources for specific sections of articles, such as this one. If this template were deleted, then all of the sources for this section (and several other sections) would be lost. Jarble (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Search links aren't appropriate on mainspace, full stop. As for natural language programming, it needs rewritten from scratch; that one particular paragraph is unsourced is the least of its problems. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of other cases where this template would be useful: for example, the Smalltalk article has a couple of sections that require additional sources, which could be found easily using the find sources notice ambox template. Jarble (talk) 18:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you truly believe that people are incapable of finding references unless appropriate search results links are shown directly to them, lobby for them to be included on refimprove. There is absolutely no use case for an additional template. And that is ignoring, once again, that there is a firm consensus against such links on mainspace going back years now. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - Totally inappropriate as used in main article space. Per WP:TMPG guidelines, notices designed only for editors belong on non-article pages, and this is redundant with Find sources series of templates. --Netoholic @ 05:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * This seems fair enough: we should avoid adding information to articles that is not helpful to the articles' readers. Jarble (talk) 01:47, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Rajya Sabha Members from Odisha
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 July 14 Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:19, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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