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Bohemia Interactive templates

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:40, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ARMA
 * Bohemia Interactive
 * Real Virtuality engine software

Propose merging Template:ARMA with Template:Bohemia Interactive.

There are currently three heavily related templates. I propose they be merged back together into Template:Bohemia Interactive/draft. Odie5533 (talk) 21:31, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge - Seems sensible; lots of overlap and draft suggestion shows it working well. Sam Walton (talk) 21:40, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't Merge - Real Virtuality engine contains Iron Front: Liberation 1944 which was not developed or produced by bohemia interactive. ARMA contains more info not found in bohemia interactive template that was removed to reduce unneeded information on unrelated articles.—CKY2250 &tau;&alpha;&iota;&kappa; 01:07, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Remove templates if you see them as not needed on that article. Real Virtuality seems like it should only be used on that artiles page. —CKY2250 &tau;&alpha;&iota;&kappa;  — Preceding undated comment added 01:09, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not really how navigational templates are used, particularly the comment about the Real Virtuality one being used on only a single page (see WP:NAVBOX). Generally navboxes are intended to link closely related articles to each other, and usually each article on the list has the template included in it. To that end, I think the navigation is adequately handled by a single template. And even if no other changes were made, I definitely think the Template:Real Virtuality engine software one should be deleted. That one in particular is really not that useful and adequately served by a category. --Odie5533 (talk) 01:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to say merge per above discussion —PC-XT+ 05:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Sam Bailey

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 04:50, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Sam Bailey

There are only four links of total relevance; Bailey herself, The Power of Love, Skyscraper and Compass. The others are only partial matches which I do not consider to qualify under WP:NENAN. Laun chba  ller  19:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * weak keep, since "what links here" currently shows 6 articles. Frietjes (talk) 22:17, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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Tennis events infoboxes

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:13, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Tennis events
 * Tennis events 2
 * Tennis events 3
 * Tennis events 4
 * Infobox Tennis Grand Slam events

Propose merging the above templates into Template:Tennis events.

Documentation for Infobox Tennis Grand Slam events reads:

"TennisEvents exists as an alternate version of this template. It is to be used for mixed competitions which are not Grand Slams. TennisEvents2 also exists. It is to be used for men's only or women's only competitions. There is also TennisEvents3 which is used for the Regions Morgan Keegan Championships and the Cellular South Cup, and TennisEvents4 which is used for the 2000 Tennis Masters Cup. Any content changes made here should be updated in those templates as well."

and so on for the others. A clear case of redundancy, and an unnecessary need to duplicate work when making updates. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:56, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * If you can show the same result in one template, that will be a lot of if statements then go for it, as long the end result don't suffer then go for it. Put it is really unnecessary to do it. Dencod16 (talk) 22:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge - Provided that the fields and functionality of TennisEvents2, TennisEvents3, TennisEvents4 and Infobox Tennis Grand Slam events are transferred into TennisEvents.--Wolbo (talk) 08:23, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge all per nom.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 19:00, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge per nominator. Numerous similar template is unecessary. JackHoang (talk) 00:41, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Merg If all the existing functionalities can be handled by a single template, why not! Coderzombie (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge. This is an obvious thing to do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox tennis match

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The result of the discussion was Keep DavidLeighEllis (talk) 20:48, 28 April 2014 (UTC) (non-admin closure)
 * Infobox tennis match

Redundant to Infobox tennis event. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:51, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't think that's right. Infobox tennis event covers tournaments, such as Wimbledon. Infobox tennis match covers individual matches within a tournament. The two are orthogonal and most of the important details don't overlap between the two. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:42, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. I agree with reasoning above, they are not the same. stclaus (talk) 11:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per chris. Frietjes (talk) 17:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per Chris Cunningham.--Wolbo (talk) 12:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per Chris. —Lowellian (reply)
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Tennis tournament infoboxes

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox tennis tournament
 * Infobox ATP Challenger Tournament
 * Infobox ATP Tennis Tournament
 * Infobox defunct tennis tournament
 * Infobox exhibition tennis tournament
 * Infobox ITF Women's Circuit Tournament
 * Infobox joint Tennis Tournament
 * Infobox Professional Tennis Tournament
 * Infobox WTA 125K series tournament
 * Infobox WTA Tennis Tournament

Propose merging the above infoboxes into Template:Infobox tennis tournament

A number of templates for individual tournaments; redundant to the generic template. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Procedural question: what precisely happens if a merger proposal like this is accepted? How exactly would the different templates be merged into one? Would all fields and functionality be maintained?--Wolbo (talk) 18:57, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Usually yes, but that depends on the outcome of the discussion. We might, for example, reach consensus that parameter Foo in template Bar is not needed. Once a merged template is created, we have several options to deploy it. If some of the nominated templates are low-use, they can simply be replaced, article-by-article. If they have a high usage, we might make them a wrapper for the new template> We then have the option to 'subst:'' them. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Isn't infobox tennis event the correct merge target here? It's massively more comprehensive than infobox tennis tournament. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:44, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No, the template infobox tennis event is used for the annual editions of a tournament (e.g. 2005 Torneo Godó) which is why it is used more frequently. The tournaments themselves (e.g. Torneo Godó) use either Infobox ATP Tennis Tournament, Infobox WTA Tennis Tournament or Infobox joint Tennis Tournament. --Wolbo (talk) 17:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * See Tennis events infoboxes section, above. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:03, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge - But it requires that the generic infobox tennis tournament is adapted to allow the different types of tournaments (ATP, ATP Challenger, ITF Women's Circuit, WTA, WTA 125s) as separate sections within the infobox. This would be similar to the setup of infobox joint Tennis Tournament, which has an ATP and WTA section (see example), although the fields in each section of this template are hard-coded (e.g. ATP_Prize_Money, WTA_Prize_Money) and that is probably not the best setup. Perhaps the addition of a field tournament 'Type' (e.g. Type_1=ATP World Tour, Type_2=WTA Tour) would be useful where each Type has its own set of fields (Category_1, Draw_1, Prize_Money_1).--Wolbo (talk) 14:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox GSSE
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:09, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox GSSE

Only seventeen transclusions. Redundant to Infobox games. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:17, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * substitute and delete (I rewrote it as a wrapper). Frietjes (talk) 18:01, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox biathlete world cup record
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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox biathlete world cup record
 * Infobox biathlete

Propose merging Template:Infobox biathlete world cup record with Template:Infobox biathlete.

Merge with Template:Infobox biathlete  Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 15:20, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * comment, you want to merge a module with an infobox? why not just keep the module separate? Frietjes (talk) 17:55, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Pan American Games
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox Pan American Games

Only 19 transclusions. Redundant to Infobox games. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:43, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * substitute and delete (I rewrote it as a wrapper which can be substituted). Frietjes (talk) 17:53, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Parapan American Games
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Infobox Parapan American Games

Only two transclusions. Unused Redundant to Infobox games. (Also overly complicated, with hard-coded data which should be parameter values.) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:24, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Now orphaned. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:53, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * delete (it was orphaned in 2011 Parapan American Games and 2015 Parapan American Games). Frietjes (talk) 17:32, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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