Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 23



California wildfires navboxes

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The result of the discussion was merge. (non-admin closure) Alakzi (talk) 12:48, 1 September 2015 (UTC) These templates could easily be merged in a manner similar to Bushfires in Australia.  Sounder Bruce  21:45, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 2008 California wildfires
 * 2009 California wildfires
 * 2013 California wildfires
 * 2014 California wildfires
 * 2015 California wildfires
 * Merge as overly specific. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:14, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I see both pros and cons to this and would love to discuss them!
 * Pros
 * Consolidates into one single template call.
 * All California wildfires are linked together from this navbox.
 * The yearly/season pages are ALSO linked together (2007 California wildfires, 2008 California wildfires, etc)
 * Cons
 * Template will indefinitely grow. Even if we don't add previous years and just start with 2000, every year a new group of wildfires will be added. Flash forward to 2030 and you have 30 rows in the template. The Bushfires in Australia is a great template for Australia, but a quick scan of that navbox only shows 2 or 3 fires in the same year. has 9 fires just in one year. Along that thought process Category:Wildfires in Washington (state) has 7 fires list (the 8th page is the list page). I would def support 1 navbox for all 8 of those fires. Different situation there.
 * As hinted at above, this is going to end up being a enormous navbox! Maybe that isn't a big downside, but was one of the reasons I didn't go that route initially.
 * Each season currently has their own category and commons link. Those would likely be lost in favor of the overarching group/commons link. Again this alone is not a reason NOT to merge the templates, but at least worth mentioning.
 * All that being said, I too support merging them but would like to at least discuss these points. :-) -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:25, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If the California template becomes too large in the future (reserving one row per year), I'd split up the templates by decade (e.g. 2000s California wildfires). A separate navbox for the largest/most notable fires would also be needed after some point (with links to a list of California wildfires by size).  Sounder Bruce  00:32, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A good counter point. I concurr. :-) -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:49, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * NOTE: Merger is completed.... -- Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:05, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but that's overly complex. A single, simple navbox would suffice (with one per decade as time progresses). The colours also have inadequate contrast to meet WP:COLOUR. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Face of Denmark 2015 titleholders

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G8 by AnomieBOT ⚡  12:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC) failed template with advertising. There is also no article about "Face of Denmark", if it is a pageant at all The Banner talk 20:17, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Face of Denmark 2015 titleholders
 * Delete. Hard-coded instance of a red-link template. Doesn't quite fit WP:T3 but it appears to serve no purpose. • Gene93k (talk) 20:50, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per CSD G8. The template transcluded by this template does not exist nor it has ever existed. --TL22 (talk) 22:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Teahouse invitation TW
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The result of the discussion was merge. (non-admin closure) Alakzi (talk) 12:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC) Unused fork of Teahouse invitation. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Teahouse invitation TW
 * Merge to the primary template. Personally, I think the standard template is rather childish, and seems aimed at inviting immature people to come and talk with poorly worded "awesomeness", while the TW version seems like a proper invitation, instead of some adult pretending to have a teenager's awesome messaging skill. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 06:32, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The wording of the widely-used template should be disused on its talk page, and is not a reason to keep an unused fork. (I agree up to a point; I don't find "awesome" childish, but it is an Americanism, which may not be well-understood elsewhere.) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it's what you're referring to but a bot apparently erroneously added a "please sign your posts" message to the template. I've undone its edit and contacted its operator. benzband  ( talk ) 15:52, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - Pigsonthewing: I created the fork with the necessary changes for it to be used with Twinkle (see Twinkle/doc). It probably isn't linked from many pages since Twinkle substitutes it. I've just welcomed myself to provide an example. (PS. please mention my username in your comment or leave a note on my talk page if you reply) benzband  ( talk ) 15:52, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There's no reason that one template can't be used both by Twinkle and manually, is there? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * After taking a closer look it seems that there isn't. I'm not sure why I created a fork back in 2012, it was a few years ago and I don't remember the details. I think it might be useful to redirect the page to the primary template in the event it should get deleted, however. benzband  ( talk ) 20:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ...and unless I'm mistaken this template is not being used by Twinkle, is it? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:14, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Users can add templates to their Twinkle via Twinkle/Preferences or Special:Mypage/twinkleoptions.js. ~ benzband  ( talk ) 20:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge, maybe use as default text. Eman 235 / talk  20:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge, for basically the same reasons. Like the text of this template over the other, but should leave an option to select which text to use. (Also, the TW template has a wikicode syntax problem that the main template does not have.) JaykeBird (talk) 00:26, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge, the template is very similar and its only purpose is for users to choose an alternative. --Stranger195 (talk &bull; contribs &bull; guestbook) 10:56, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Thank You IP
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Alakzi (talk) 18:15, 2 September 2015 (UTC) While I understand this template is in honor of WP:IPHUMAN, this is sort-of redundant to welcome-anon-constructive and even if it wasn't, it would still be unnecessary, because a simple thanks by clicking the "thank" button in the diff is all that's needed. <b style= "color:red">T</b><b style= "color:#FF4200">L</b><b style= "color:#FF7400">2</b><b style= "color:#FFA700">2</b> (<i style= "color:green">talk</i>) 16:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank You IP
 * Keep. As the creator of this template several years ago, I have used it countless times to thank IP editors for helping in our efforts against vandalism. It is not a welcome template, and so is not the same as the Welcome-anon-constructive template and can be used even on IP talk pages of editors who have already been welcomed.  Also, I've never seen a "thank" button on IP diffs, but only on diffs of registered users, so am I missing something? – <b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Painius</b>  16:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete redundant to welcome-anon-constructive (and to Thank You, or indeed simple text), as used by Twinkle, and which can be used more than once as edits made using IP addresses may be by different people. This template has a mere seven talk-page transclusions, all but one of which either have either no welcome template, or had it used before a welcome template was added. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:04, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, this template should be substituted, not transcluded, so the vast majority of its usages will not appear on the What links here page. Also, I often place this template at the TOP, before the Welcome template I use with it, so the IP will see it first. – <b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Painius</b>  23:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. You can not thank IPs using the thank button (there isn't one) or with Special:Thanks, and it is not redundant to welcome-anon-constructive. Eman 235 / talk  19:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Muchas gracias
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The result of the discussion was delete, with apologies to Paine. (non-admin closure) Alakzi (talk) 18:24, 2 September 2015 (UTC) This is the English Wikipedia, and as such messages here must be written in English, no matter what (see uw-english). This template violates that. It's redundant to Thank you anyways. <b style= "color:red">T</b><b style= "color:#FF4200">L</b><b style= "color:#FF7400">2</b><b style= "color:#FFA700">2</b> (<i style= "color:green">talk</i>) 15:56, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Muchas gracias
 * Delete per nom. Appears to have no more than about 4 transclusions outside of the documentation of other templates. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:13, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This is English Wikipedia, the general commenting templates should be readable by an user of English, the only sort of competency which is expected for any reader/editor on Wikipedia. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:49, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd say delete, but not per nom -- I understood this immediately and would say that "gracias", at least, is a loanword. Actually, I'd prefer a merge to Thank you, along with all the other smiley templates listed here. Eman 235 / talk  20:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Not everyone speaks non-standard English, or should be expected to; or code switches (we don't all live in Florida, SoCal or Spanish Harlem) The readership should be considered to perhaps use English as a Second Language, and the first language being unrelated to Spanish. Or live in someplace unrelated to Spanish territories, such as Transvaal or Stewart Island. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:42, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge with Thank you template (or tyvm) per Eman235's rationale above. I prefer a full merge complete with a parameter to change the wording of "Thank you" to "Muchas gracias" if the user so desires.  If such a merge may not be performed, then keep – I would use this template as a courtesy to respond to a Done performed by an editor with Spanish ancestry. – <b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Painius</b>  05:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: per IP 67, we should communicate in English and not make any assumptions about whether a particular editor's variety of English has had Spanish influences. Of course users could still type "muchas gracias" if they wanted in an appropriate situation. Moreover, redundant to thank you. BethNaught (talk) 18:42, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It assumes that the reader knows what gracias means. Plus, thank you is more common. --Stranger195 (talk &bull; contribs &bull; guestbook) 11:07, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -sche (talk) 01:31, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Apologies to both native and non-native Spanish speakers – looks like this one is going to be another "Adios muchachos" here at TfD. Best of Everything to You and Yours! – <b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Painius</b> 18:06, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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'Portal selected' templates
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The result of the discussion was delete. Alakzi (talk) 10:41, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Communism Portal selected - 3 transclusions, circa 2006
 * China Portal Selected Article 7 transclusions, circa 2006
 * Baseball-selectedbio 6 transclusions, circa 2007
 * Baseball-selectedart 6 transclusions, circa 2007
 * Cars Portal former selected articles 6 transclusions, circa 2007
 * Bangladesh Portal selected picture 15 transclusions, circa 2007/2008
 * Arctic selected article 1 transclusion, circa 2009
 * Aboriginal peoples of Canada selected article 4 transclusions, circa 2010
 * Bristol selected article 6 transclusions, circa 2007

Archaic templates of trivial points of history. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:48, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete this are no longer used in the way they where before....we have a generic one that works just fine. -- Moxy (talk) 14:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form nomination templates
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The result of the discussion was relisted at Templates for discussion/Log/2015 September 3. Alakzi (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 2003 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
 * 2004 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
 * 2005 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
 * 2006 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
 * 2007 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
 * 2008 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
 * 2009 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
 * 2010 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
 * 2011 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
 * 2012 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form

This is the only Hugo Award category to have these separate nomination templates. The winner already has the Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form template. No need for an extra one. charge2charge (talk) 23:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * tentative Keep, I personally liked the only one I've looked at, 2011, and quickly used it to make an addition to another template (have never heard of the video Fuck Me, Ray Bradbury, watched it, and it seems template-worthy and a nice tribute). Maybe the only question is "should nominees be included on a major award template", or do other major awards have yearly nominee listings on any of their templates. I'm not familiar enough with them to know. Randy Kryn 20:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * delete, only need to link between winners, not nominees. imagine if we had this for the academy awards ... total navbox cruft.  if you want to find out the nominees, try [gasp] to read the article? Frietjes (talk) 16:27, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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Women's soccer templates
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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Alakzi (talk) 19:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 2011 FIFA Women's World Cup finalists
 * 2008 Women's African Football Championship finalists

These are the only two women's soccer tournaments that have separate templates listing every team that participated. No reason to keep them. charge2charge (talk) 23:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * delete, navbox cruft. Frietjes (talk) 16:28, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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