Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 28



Template:USA Girls Squad 2015

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The result of the discussion was delete. Considering Articles for deletion/Tiffany Clark (volleyball), where all the previously bluelinked articles in this template were deleted as non-notable, it may be taken that the majority of "non-notable" advocates here reflect community consensus. (non-admin closure) BethNaught (talk) 18:38, 13 September 2015 (UTC) Template made for a team of underage volleyball players who do not meet notability guidelines per wiki standards. All players are currently listed at AfD. The Undead Never Die (talk) 23:43, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * USA Girls Squad 2015
 * Delete non-notable. --Osplace 00:15, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: Each of those volleyball players passes WP:GNG as a cursory google search would have shown. The team itself is also similarly notable.  The Dissident Aggressor 22:17, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * U18 players need substantial independent coverage. Maybe after college.--Savonneux (talk) 20:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NHSPHSATH--Savonneux (talk) 20:22, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Turkey Girls Squad 2015

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The result of the discussion was delete. Alakzi (talk) 14:24, 12 September 2015 (UTC) All the players are listed at AfD for notability reasons. All are underage volleyball players who are not notable. This template will not be needed. The Undead Never Die (talk) 23:32, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Turkey Girls Squad 2015
 * Delete non-notable. --Osplace 00:14, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Im the afd nominator if that makes any difference, and per WP:NHSPHSATH--Savonneux (talk) 20:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:China Girls Squad 2015

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The result of the discussion was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 06:37, 8 September 2015 (UTC) Every player is a non notable underage volleyball player. Reference this AfD. The Undead Never Die (talk) 23:25, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * China Girls Squad 2015
 * Delete non-notable. --Osplace 00:14, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NHSPHSATH--Savonneux (talk) 20:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Archive box collapsible

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The result of the discussion was keep. Alakzi (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC) Redundant to :
 * Archive box collapsible


 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:57, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete – definitely not as functional as Archive box. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:41, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - So, as I to figure out how one would replicate the collapse box using the archive box, some thoughts crossed my mind: how is this better? How is this easier? How is this less confusing? Why would deletion be preferable? I couldn't think of any answers. While both templates ultimately serve the same fundamental role as archive boxes, they are not the same and thus the collapse box is not, in fact, redundant. In contrast to archive box, archive box collapsible is notably and uniquely a much more simplistic, visually inoffensive and minimalistic archive box, and having the ability to easily employ something like that serves its purposes;  prefer it for their personal user talk space alone. In order to replicate it, one would actually have to modify multiple parameters of archive box from its default state:  just to get there, not to mention any additional size, style or other parameters that may need to be employed. No thanks! Yes, theoretically we could do away with any other independent archive box templates and could just use one master archive box with all sorts of different parameters, but it would be asinine to require users to use an unnecessarily complex singular template when another one could already do what they want by default. Wikipedia is not paper, and I will again say this isn't an actual issue that needs fixing, and it is instead a solution looking for a problem.  S warm   ♠  05:28, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:BIKESHED. We separate templates by function, and not by design minutiae. Yes, if people wish to micromanage the look of the archive box, they're gonna have to put in the effort. You should also note that there have been requests for a search box on the talk page of Archive box collapsible; and the search box in Archive box was made visible by default in June and so far nobody has complained. Alakzi (talk) 07:20, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. We're not a bureaucracy and are not mandated to merge slightly varying templates together if doing so would create more work for the average user. Archive boxes, infoboxes, navboxes, welcome templates, and notice/warning message boxes all exist in various forms despite serving the same function, because it would obviously be unnecessarily complex for your average user to have to "put in the effort" to go through and manipulate parameters of a uniform "master" template. If "bike shed effect" means getting too hung up on trivialities, I would say that this discussion is a shining example of bike shed effect. "if people wish to micromanage the look of the archive box, they're gonna have to put in the effort": That's a shockingly malignant attitude given the fact that right now they don't have to. You are literally saying that it should be made more complicated for no reason. The difference between the two templates is more than just visual design trivialities. The simple collapse box may be preferable to the regular archive box at times, and unnecessarily making people put in more effort to use it is not only unnecessary but does not contribute anything positive to the project whatsoever. The purpose of eliminating redundant templates is to make things simpler and less confusing for everyone. That's our ultimate goal, to streamline the project and make it more user friendly. That's obviously not the goal of this nomination, which relies more on some bureaucratic procedural reason rather than providing a common sense solution to a problem. These two templates are obviously notably different in their default states and create no unnecessary confusion. Deleting the template is the only thing that would do so. S warm   ♠  08:08, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep all - As I stated on a similar discussion, while this may seem redundant to the nom and others, not every type of archive tag works for every user. I originally used archive box when I started archiving my messages. I can't expand it that much, and it crowds up one side of my talk page, so it doesn't serve me anymore. archive box collapsible helps me avoid that. Other users might feel differently about this, and for them it or some other archive tag might be alright. -User:DanTD (talk) 02:16, 3 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep per Swarm and DanTD. Particular sentences I endorse are You are literally saying that it should be made more complicated for no reason, relies more on some bureaucratic procedural reason rather than providing a common sense solution to a problem and but it would be asinine to require users to use an unnecessarily complex singular template when another one could already do what they want by default. BethNaught (talk) 13:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep They are two different type of collapsible boxes. One has Search function and one has not, it's not redundant as claimed by the nominator. It's just like McChicken sandwich with cheese or without cheese, it depends on the usability and requirement of the user. Hitro   talk  18:19, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per, et al. --Nick&#8288;—&#8288;Contact/Contribs 16:57, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
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Template:NCAA Fencing Championships

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) BethNaught (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC) A template consisting entirely of redlinks. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:04, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * NCAA Fencing Championships
 * delete, pointless. Frietjes (talk) 18:42, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:NCAA Rowing Championships

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) BethNaught (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC) A template consisting entirely of redlinks. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:03, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * NCAA Rowing Championships
 * delete, pointless. Frietjes (talk) 18:42, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:NCAA Division II Women's Soccer Championship

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) BethNaught (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC) Template consisting entirely of redlinks. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * NCAA Division II Women's Soccer Championship
 * delete, pointless. Frietjes (talk) 18:42, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Itaparica tournaments

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) BethNaught (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC) A template consisting entirely of redlinks. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Itaparica tournaments
 * delete, pointless. Frietjes (talk) 18:42, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Shady

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) BethNaught (talk) 18:32, 13 September 2015 (UTC) Ranks pretty high on the list of things we should never do. Alakzi (talk) 09:59, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Shady
 * delete, we already have templates like redacted. Frietjes (talk) 18:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox cricketer tour biography

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The result of the discussion was Merge into Infobox cricketer. ~ RobTalk 23:17, 5 September 2015 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox cricketer tour biography with Template:Infobox cricketer.
 * Infobox cricketer tour biography
 * Infobox cricketer

Identical to Infobox cricketer, except for the second header which reads "International matches on tour" instead of "International information". A switch could be added to the original infobox for this purpose. Alakzi (talk) 01:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge seems pretty straightforward and sensible. Harrias talk 06:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge No need for two templates. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:23, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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