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Template:Universal Science Fiction

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The result of the discussion was relisted at Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 7. Alakzi (talk) 08:16, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Doctor Who episode list

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2015 August 31. Opabinia regalis (talk) 16:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC) A fork of Episode list, "with two additional variables" - which, if required, should be included in that template. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:18, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Doctor Who episode list
 * Is there something against forks? I've attempted to discuss adding those two parameters for six weeks (first attempt), but to no avail and no replies. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  14:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per Edokter. Rowspans and colspans hurt accessibility. You could simply repeat the numbers. Alakzi (talk) 16:58, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In response, I'm not seeing the removal of rowspans when it comes to awards tables, and colspans when it comes to series overviews? Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  16:59, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That's WP:OTHERSTUFF. And we can't fix all the problems at once. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:42, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep for the time being. If this template can be merged with another then it can be deleted after the merge but not before. Djonesuk (talk) 10:37, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In attempt to inject some sanity into the 'accessibility' debate I would point out that the best standard for creating accessible content is the W3Cs Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0. There is nothing in WCAG to prohibit rowspan or colspan provided they are used correctly.  If you are unsure what correctly means, the W3Cs Web accessibility initiative provide an irregular headings tutorial. Djonesuk (talk) 16:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Do feel free to explain how "they are used correctly" in wiki markup. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. I see no solid reasons for its deletion. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  01:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The primary reason is the redundancy; a secondary reason is the use of harmful rowspans. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Template in question is far from redundant, and rowspans are executed properly, and far from harmful. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  11:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What do you mean they're far from harmful? We're telling you that they hurt accessibility; you can't just deny a fact. Alakzi (talk) 12:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * How do you claim that "they hurt accessibility"? I've seen nothing to back this. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  12:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * A screen reader would read the story number only once for multiple episodes. For a more thorough explanation, see ' comment here, dated 00:49, 3 July 2015. Alakzi (talk) 12:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Far from harmful. (What happened to not editing posts once someone replied to it?) Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  12:08, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Please do not bother me with disputes you've had with other editors. Alakzi (talk) 12:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I've had no such issues with other editors. We digress. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  12:19, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The harm done by rowspans was by User:Edokter: "No rowspans please; they hurt navigation for screenreaders." on the talk page of the template from which you subsequently forked this one. You replied, so saw that post. The redundancy is clear; you forked the template, just to add two parameters, rather than use the solution presented to you in that discussion.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I would request that you don't edit my posts, bullet points aren't necessary. And apparently all that hurts it is that the story number would be read once. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  14:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I did not "edit your post", which reads exactly as it did previously; I merely fixed the indentation, as I have done here, for respectively, clarity and accessibility. That changes the underlying markup, of which bullet points are just an incidental manifestation, for some users. You may learn more at WP:LISTGAP and WP:TALKO Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Djonesuk. --torri2(talk/contribs) 19:18, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment I made a non-admin close of this as No Consensus. At the request of the nominator (see User talk:BethNaught) I have withdrawn the close in favour of closure by an uninvolved administrator. BethNaught (talk) 10:23, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Explain your request for reopening reconsidering the close of this discussion - the result is clearly no consensus. Alex &#124; The &#124; Whovian  10:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


 * s and s can't be used on Wikipedia, so Djonesuk's argument about accessibility is not any argument at all; and if a table is not linearly navigable by screen readers, it is fair to call it "harmful". There's no question that Doctor Who episode list impedes accessibility. The question is whether we care; or whether we care more about collapsing a couple of rows to please the eye. Alakzi (talk) 13:52, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Kevin/.0/mckinney in 1931

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G6 by AnomieBOT ⚡  19:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC) All redlinks, nothing to navigate, all in Japanese. In Japanese, it's a navbox between lists of articles which are featured articles in their home wikipedias. Might be useful to have something similar on en:wp if such lists existed here, but this navbox is of no help for that purpose. NSH002 (talk) 13:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Kevin/.0/mckinney in 1931
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Template:Eureka Seven

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (nac) Alakzi (talk) 08:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Eureka Seven

With only four sub-articles, this template isn't particularly large enough to be of any navigational use.The pages are all comfortably linked, where appropriate, from the main Eureka Seven article and within each other. KirtZJ (talk) 13:32, 3 July 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * weak keep, connects five articles. Frietjes (talk) 21:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 13:04, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Cloud gaming

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The result of the discussion was relisted at Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 7. Alakzi (talk) 08:17, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Callimachus

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The result of the discussion was keep. Opabinia regalis (talk) 16:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC) Not enough links to provide useful navigation Rob Sinden (talk) 14:23, 17 July 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Callimachus

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC) Keep - plenty of material to base future articles on. I've done a cursory search and found the following for Aetia: Alakzi (talk) 17:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Acosta-Hughes, B. & Stephens, S.A. 2002, "Rereading Callimachus' 'Aetia' Fragment 1", Classical Philology, vol. 97, no. 3, pp. 238-255.
 * Hutchinson, G. O. 2003, "The 'Aetia': Callimachus' Poem of Knowledge", Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik, vol. 145, pp. 47-59.
 * Knox, P.E. 1985, "The Epilogue to the 'Aetia'", Greek, Roman and Byzantine Studies, vol. 26, no. 1, pp. 59.
 * Nappa, C. 2004, "Callimachus' Aetia and Aeneas' Sicily", Classical Quarterly, vol. 54, no. 2, pp. 640-646.
 * keep for now Frietjes (talk) 15:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Hudson River corridor

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The result of the discussion was relisted at Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 7. Alakzi (talk) 08:20, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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Template:2012–13 NBL Canada Standings

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The result of the discussion was delete - uncontested. (nac) Alakzi (talk) 09:06, 23 August 2015 (UTC) Unused, redundant template... JMHamo (talk) 01:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * 2012–13 NBL Canada Standings
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DART maps

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The result of the discussion was delete Opabinia regalis (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2015 (UTC) Unused, redundant template; duplicated by Template:TRE. Useddenim (talk) 18:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * TRE Map
 * Support - The map has been superseded by Template:TRE - Bethayres (talk) 10:05, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Unused, outdated, redundant templates. All have been superseded, by Template:DART Green Line, Template:DART Red Line, and Template:DART Blue Line, respectively. Useddenim (talk) 01:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * DART Green Line Map
 * DART Red Line Map
 * DART Blue Line Map
 * Support - If they're they've got decent replacements (and it's clear we do), we should let these go. Wasn't there also one for the DART Orange Line too once? -User:DanTD (talk) 18:46, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


 * support Frietjes (talk) 15:26, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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