Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 June 25



Template:Infobox ice hockey player embedded

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:43, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Infobox ice hockey player embedded

I have replaced it with infobox ice hockey player using yes. Frietjes (talk) 15:46, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * notified User:Smartskaft Frietjes (talk) 15:47, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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Templates: TeX, LaTeX, LaTeX2e

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * TeX
 * LaTeX
 * LaTeX2e

There is only one legitimate use of each of these templates, a "styled as [stylization here]" statement in the article pertaining to each of these (a total of two articles, as LaTeX2e is covered at LaTeX), and these are uses in which the templates can simply be substituted. One of them,, wasn't even being used for that, only and  were (I fixed that, in the lead of LaTeX). The various other uses of these templates, inline in running prose in other articles like Donald Knuth and Ellipsis, are clearly proscribed by MOS:TM: We do not use CSS tricks to try to mimic the typography of logos, as in "In the Te X typesetting system, the following types of ellipsis are available...", which presently appears in Ellipsis. So, substitute this template in these 3 legit cases, and replace it with plain text where ever else it is transcluded. PS: At least the LaTeX2e one isn't even a good approximation anyway, except on Linux, so what's the point to begin with? Neither of the other two are exact, either. This has the effect of (poorly) evading MOS:ICONS by trying to do with CSS tricks what we never do with inline logo images. PPS: They also appear to be "attractive nuisances", inspiring enough vandalism that one of them's been semi-protected. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:14, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Remove from mainspace use; there's absolutely no need to stylise (La)TeX in articles. They adorn a couple of user boxes, so keep the first two for that purpose, I guess. Delete LaTeX2e. Alakzi (talk) 14:29, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * They'll just end up back in articles. They can be subst'd in userboxes, and no one will even notice.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:31, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, fair point. Let's do that then. Alakzi (talk) 14:32, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep I see no good reason to delete this template. "Doesn't need to be a template because it could be ed instead" is a very poor rationale that could be applied to almost any of our templates. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:29, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That's not the [main] rationale. Violates two guidelines is the rationale. That said, "barely used and can be substituted harmelssly in the tiny handful of places it's legitimately used" is, in fact, a common TfD rationale anyway.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:31, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, my callow youth. At the time that these were created, the alternative that was being used was an image of the words. Yikes. Suffice to say we're grown-up enough now that we can just use the letters. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:03, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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Template:LoC catalog record

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The result of the discussion was merge. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 19:32, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * LoC catalog record
 * LCCN

Propose merging Template:LoC catalog record with Template:LCCN.

After fixing 1000s of broken ISBNs, I am now making order with templates encountered during the process. Keep LCCN. Merge LoC catalog record into LCCN. Reasons: 1. Each template is simplistic 2. Each template requires the same main parameter: Library of Congress Control Number 3. The templates differ only in format of the output 4. Minimal number of affected users: LoC catalog record has only 21 transclusions. Add a new parameter to LCCN to control output format. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 12:36, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. I'm all for consolidation of redundant templates. The shorter output should be the default.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:41, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support as the creating editor of LoC catalog record. The template I created is almost entirely redundant to the preexisting LCCN, which seems to lack only the support for the title parameter.  I must have been unaware of LCCN when I created LoC catalog record, else I would have worked on adding the title parameter rather than produce a new template.  I do think the title parameter is worth having in the merged template, however.  The template may be used to point to an LCCN for a work that is not the exact subject of the article, so identifying the work to which the LCCN correspond is a worthy feature.  But, subject to that concern, I support the merge. TJRC (talk) 16:21, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Linescore

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The result of the discussion was merge. Seems do-able, so I will merge them. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 18:50, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Linescore
 * Baseball linescore table

Propose merging Template:Linescore with Template:Baseball linescore table.

Both can be included in one template page. –Aidan721 (talk) 10:29, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Aidan721, can you provide an example of a merged template? they are used for two different things.  one is used within infoboxes, and the other is used outside of infoboxes. Frietjes (talk) 13:41, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support in theory, since the compact output can be done simply with a y parameter, but agree with Aidan721 that I'd want to see it actually working.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:44, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * yes, I hope Aidan721 wants to see it actually working. Frietjes (talk) 13:51, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Funny, I wasn't aware that Baseball linescore table existed; I always use Linescore. They're used somewhat differently, though, so this would depend on making the syntax work. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If someone can make the syntax work, sure. Otherwise, I would oppose, since as Frietjes notes, they're used for different purposes. Canuck 89 (converse with me) 03:16, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Telenovelas broadcast by Venevisión in 2010s

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:40, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Telenovelas broadcast by Venevisión in 2010s

Only original programming should be included in navboxes, not every program that is broadcast by a channel. Wikipedia is not a TV guide. Original programming is dealt with at Venevisión telenovelas. Rob Sinden (talk) 07:50, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. If wikipedia is not a program guide because there are these templates: AMC Shows and Univision 2013 telenovelas and many more.--  Philip J Fry  • ( talk ) 10:58, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * AMC Shows only includes original programming, like Venevisión telenovelas mentioned in my nomination. Telenovelas broadcast by Venevisión in 2010s includes programming by other studios, from other countries.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:12, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, and WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is an argument to avoid in deletion discussions anyway. PS: The template also lists all-original programming, but that of Televisa; as Univision is just the broadcaster (though a fiscally-related company), I've proposed moving that template, at Template talk:Univision 2013 telenovelas.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:46, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom. If we had a separate template for every channel that broadcast a channel, we'd end up with lots of navigation templates on some shows, so many that they'd functionally be useless.  Much better to restrict templates to a channel's original shows.  Nyttend (talk) 17:00, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alakzi (talk) 00:17, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. "Happened to have been broadcast at some point on so-and-so station" isn't a defining characteristic of anything.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:46, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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