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Template:Left

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The result of the discussion was merge. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:31, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * left
 * left2

Propose merging Template:Left with Template:Left2.

we have an unfortunate situation where center and right do not match left. luckily, there are less than 500 transclusions of left and left2, so we solving the problem is tractable. note, there is also align. Frietjes (talk) 23:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * comment the practical difference appears to be when you don't use the first unnamed parameter in either template, and there could also be a practical difference when used in a sortable table? in any event, suggestions for resolving this unfortunate naming problem are welcome. Frietjes (talk) 23:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm also unhappy with the current discrepancy of center / right / left2, especially if we look at the links at Q15581676. So I'm both hands for supplanting the name "left" for the functionality of the present left2. The difference between them is not in the usage of any parameters, but in the fact that left relies on adding table cell properties, so if used in a cell where the properties are already set e.g. via some other template (as is usual in RDTs), it just doesn't work. However, there are several issues:
 * Care should be taken that vi:Bản mẫu:Left vs. vi:Bản mẫu:Left2 and ur:سانچہ:Left vs. ur:سانچہ:Left2 share the same fate: they are just recent bot-like clones of en.wp templates.
 * At zh.wp, zh:Template:Left is a redirect to zh:Template:Str left, and so I cloned en:Template:left2 as zh:Template:left2; but maybe that can be-rearranged?...
 * At Commons, while C:Template:Center & C:Template:Right have the classic functionality, C:Template:Left, C:Template:Left2, C:Template:Left3, ... C:Template:Left6 have a totally different one...
 * , have you made a list of pages where you've replaced left2 with ? First of all, it's not good to do such things beforehand: first nominate, then we'll discuss, and then do any replacements! And if this discussion comes to nothing, I would request you to undo your changes. However, I do hope that it ends otherwise and it will be "left" instead of "left2".
 * -- YLSS (talk) 07:22, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * any replacements with align were temporary to find incorrect uses, and have been undone. note, that there are still some uses which are causing formatting problems by introducing gaps in the route diagrams, for example, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Lea_Valley_Lines&oldid=649758764 here]. Frietjes (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, that is a known issue, but I always forget about it — because I do not perceive it, in the link you provided everything looks fine for me. AFAIK, it only occurs in Firefox, but not in Chrome or IE (or is it related to OS?). If there is a div to the right in a table cell, it often gets broken in Firefox, but not in other browsers, even if it contains the longest piece of text in the entire column. This can be cured by placing the rest of the text in that cell into a div to the left, and everything will be fine in all browsers, unless that cell is the "longest", in which case it gets broken in all browsers, regardless of any nowraps... I have some ideas how to deal with this, but that will necessitate the complete upheaval of BS etc., I haven't properly tested that as yet. YLSS (talk) 19:07, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Proposal, how about if we change left to the following
 * I have already added tracking to left to see where 1 is being used, which was only added about a year ago. any uses tracked there could be changed from   to   if necessary.  however, in about 99% of cases, it will still work as intended if the code is updated to the proposed version. Frietjes (talk) 17:18, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe this can work indeed... YLSS (talk) 19:07, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * should work, given the lack of entries in Category:Pages using left with optional parameters and Category:Pages using left2 with no content, which means there are no pages using left with 1 and no pages using left2 without 1, so the proposed code would work for both. Frietjes (talk) 22:03, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I would advise waiting a couple of days before saying that. From my practice, tracking categories may be gradually filled up for several days. YLSS (talk) 22:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * normally true, but not so when someone has purged all pages transcluding the two templates. Frietjes (talk) 14:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:User ru-no

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn, re-submitted at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User ru-no (2nd nomination) --B (talk) 23:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * User ru-no

Non-English and, apparently, offensive template. Google translates it as "This member knows the Russian language, but speaks it reluctantly and tries to avoid it." I declined a speedy deletion request because it does not fit into any current category, but I agree with the sentiment that it is not an appropriate of template space. B (talk) 23:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * As my argument was, this here is a userbox used on the project by Ukrainian nationalists to express not the level of knowledge, but just the aversion towards the Russian language. That is why I belive it does not belong to the Babel system of userpage templates. --eugrus (talk) 23:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * wrong venue, userboxes are discussed at WP:MFD. Frietjes (talk) 23:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Even userboxen in template space? --B (talk) 23:17, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see above. Withdrawn - I will walk it across the street. --B (talk) 23:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Startcenter

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:43, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Startcenter
 * Endcenter

we don't need these, better to just expand the coverage of the center class in MediaWiki:Common.css if  isn't working. Frietjes (talk) 22:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The class  is meant for centring text; center and these two are meant for centring containers, and the text inside them. Alakzi (talk) 22:38, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * which doesn't explain why  uses   in the outer div. Frietjes (talk) 23:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * is defined in and is intended to emulate . --   Gadget850talk 19:05, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, so it horizontally centres enclosed containers. Alakzi (talk) 19:26, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete unused and redundant to center; if longer text needs to be centered there is usually a better way (see Liberty Bell for example) --  Gadget850talk 22:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Al-Ahly (Benghazi) Basketball roster

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Al-Ahly (Benghazi) Basketball roster

Unused template, likely redundant to Template:Al Ahly Benghazi squad Ricky81682 (talk) 20:29, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete, I would say merge with Al-Ahli Benghazi (basketball club), but given that the roster is way out-of-date, no reason to merge it. Note that Template:Al Ahly Benghazi squad is for the football club. Frietjes (talk) 23:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Africa's most populous urban areas

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Africa's most populous urban areas

Orphaned template. Seems to have listified at List of metropolitan areas in Africa. Ricky81682 (talk) 20:28, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete, better to just link to the article where necessary. Frietjes (talk) 23:36, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete, already listified. Neutralitytalk 18:17, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Adventist Academies US map

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Adventist Academies US map

Unused template. Information instead is at Template:Adventist Academies US in a list rather than a map. Ricky81682 (talk) 20:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete, or merge the map with the article. Frietjes (talk) 23:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Action Congress of Nigeria/meta/shortname
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Action Congress of Nigeria/meta/shortname

Unused (and shouldn't be used) template Ricky81682 (talk) 20:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * speedy delete per this discussion. Frietjes (talk) 23:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Aamir Khan sidebar
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:46, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Aamir Khan sidebar

Unused template Ricky81682 (talk) 20:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete per prior consensus. Frietjes (talk) 23:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:A.C. Milan squad 2007 FIFA Club World Cup
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:46, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * A.C. Milan squad 2007 FIFA Club World Cup

Unused template Ricky81682 (talk) 20:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per nominator's rationale. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:18, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Historical capitals of Serbia
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2015 March 17. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:54, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Wikiaplainlink
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:47, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikiaplainlink

counter-productive. Frietjes (talk) 14:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, as templates to "trick peoples" are counter-productive —PC-XT+ 17:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete unused (and what the heck is this for?) --  Gadget850talk 22:58, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It appears to generate a link to wikia without marking it as external, but rather displaying it as a plain link. —PC-XT+ 21:54, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah. If I don't look at the screwy documentation I see that. Redundant to wikia. --  Gadget850talk 22:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:DICTIONARY
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:47, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * DICTIONARY

unused and not needed. Frietjes (talk) 14:36, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete unused --  Gadget850talk 14:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete code makes no sense -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 05:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, as storing a whole dictionary of definitions in a template, which appears to be the intention in this case, seems problematic. —PC-XT+ 21:59, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:BlurText
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:47, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * BlurText

unused and not needed. Frietjes (talk) 14:35, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete unused --  Gadget850talk 14:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Copies
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Copies
 * Copies/each

unused experiment by an editor with no useful edits, and duplicates for loop. Frietjes (talk) 14:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant, and more repetitive than the Lua implementation —PC-XT+ 17:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete unused and redundant --  Gadget850talk 22:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Stack documentation/examples
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Stack documentation/examples

unneeded fork of template:stack documentation. Frietjes (talk) 01:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment is it a template sandbox for the documentation template? -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 06:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete unused; this was previously transcluded into the documentation page but has now been folded into the doc page --  Gadget850talk 11:15, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Turkish general election, 2015
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  21:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Turkish general election, 2015

Unused template. Gross violation of WP:NFCC. Stefan2 (talk) 00:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Template will be used when elections take place, non free content removed. Nub Cake (talk) 00:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you move it to your userspace? The election is ages away. Alakzi (talk) 00:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Userfy until needed —PC-XT+ 01:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Nub Cake (talk) 14:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Template:US Rap Albums
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The result of the discussion was no consensus, due to malformed nomination. Feel free to renominate. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:50, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * US Rap Albums

The Billboard Top Rap Albums is a subchart along with the R&B Albums chart of the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart. It is now suggested that the template should be merged with Template:US R&B Albums. Is it okay? DBrown SPS 14:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: A merge request was placed on the template page rather than a TfD notice prior to listing of nomination here. Should this be speedy closed? -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 02:13, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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