Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 November 3



Template:Uw-imagepermission

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The result of the discussion was relist to Nov 20. Primefac (talk) 07:03, 20 November 2015 (UTC) Less effective than and redundant to di-no permission-notice. If a image is tagged with a free license but with no proof of permission by the copyright holder, it should be tagged for speedy deletion criterion F11 (Npd), which uses di-no permission-notice to notify users. Steel1943 (talk) 22:49, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Uw-imagepermission
 * Keep if the file is listed through another process, such as WP:PUF or WP:FFD, then the di-notice is inappropriate, as it wouldn't be a CSD. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:03, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, that is not correct since the CSD criterion would still apply; the file would still have no proof of permission. Also, this nominated template is not part of the notification process for either forum just mentioned (FFD or PUF); those templates are Fdw and Fdw-puf, respectively. Steel1943  (talk) 16:39, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This would be an additional template to the FFD and PUF notification templates, indicating why it showed up at FFD or PUF. And if the file is not templated with the CSD, then the user should not have a CSD warning issued, since it is incorrectly warning about the wrong process. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:01, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * delete, redundant. Frietjes (talk) 19:22, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Fb team AFC Ann Arbor

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The result of the discussion was delete all. (non-admin closure) BethNaught (talk) 08:15, 12 November 2015 (UTC) fb team templates are deprecated, and these are not needed. Frietjes (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Fb team AFC Ann Arbor
 * Fb team Croatian Eagles
 * Fb team Grand Rapids FC
 * Fb team Oakland United FC
 * Fb team RWB Adria
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 16:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete all - no purpose at all. GiantSnowman 16:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all - These seem to be hardcoded instances of Template:Fb team and could possibly be eligible for WP:T3. The same could probably be said for this list, though I haven't had the time to review each one of those templates. — Jkudlick t c s 12:12, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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Cricket templates for deletion

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The result of the discussion was mixed. There is no consensus for the "100 caps" templates, but this entire nomination turned into one gigantic mess towards the end. The only clear consensus was to delete the last three templates listed. NPASR for the 100 caps templates, though I suggest renominations should have a specific theme (only 100-caps templates, for example). (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 06:45, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Australians with 100 or more Test caps
 * Indians with 100 or more Test caps
 * South Africans with 100 or more Test caps
 * Pakistanis with 100 or more Test caps
 * West Indians with 100 or more Test caps
 * Englishmen with 100 or more Test caps
 * All-rounders-Double
 * Hat-tricks in Cricket World Cup
 * Batsmen with an ODI batting average above 50

These templates are garbage. They devalue the wiki pages of some cricketers due to overload of pointless templates. These templates are already discussed here, here & here and the current consensus is delete, which is unanimous. Regarding last 2nd template, there is already a template for average 40. The last template is not specific to a particular format (Test or ODI or T20I). Regarding Template:All-rounders-Double, there is already Template:All-rounders for test players. Pinging      for their votes here. Chris8924 (talk) 16:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of deleting those that I've looked at, but I think this is too large a grouping. We should leave out the five that have been nominated individually. The rest could be listed topically (e.g. 100 or more Test caps together and so on) as that would facilitate a better discussion if there are differences of opinion. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:49, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all, but I'm open to some sort of rethink on the all-rounders iff some sort of conditions are met to actually convert the template to the named purpose instead of what it is right now; that shouldn't be decided by some random criteria imposed here though.&mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  19:24, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete While they may not be all of the same exact format, they all suffer from the same issues, so I don't mind grouping personally. Those issues are: crufty, arbitrary, covering either non-standard statistics or of statistics adequately covered by lists. All are contributing to excessive bloat on players' articles. There are 5 which have already been nominated, either today or yesterday, however:
 * Batsmen who have scored centuries against all Test playing nations in ODI cricket
 * Batsmen who have scored centuries against all Test playing nations in Test Cricket
 * Bowlers who have taken 500 or more wickets in international cricket career
 * Cricketers who have achieved the treble of 10,000 runs, 100 wickets and 100 catches in ODI Career
 * Cricketers who have won most man-of-the-match awards in ODI cricket
 * Which should be removed. Be careful on that fourth one, it appears the author made it twice, once with a comma in 10,000 and once without. The only one to be nominated so far is the one with the comma, so * Cricketers who have achieved the treble of 10000 runs, 100 wickets and 100 catches in ODI Career should remain nommed here. Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 21:05, 3 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment I have stricken these templates from the nomination since they are indeed duplicate submissions. Primefac (talk) 21:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all As with the ones I voted on yesterday, WP:LISTCRUFT and not sensible, encyclopedic ways to categorise players. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:30, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. They all fail WP:NAVBOX because they don't have an article discussing the topic. Jenks24 (talk) 02:23, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per above votes. 117.192.168.221 (talk) 08:07, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all listcruft. --Dweller (talk) 15:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all they become pointless after sometimesrini (talk) 01:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all EXCEPT 100 caps templates (see below) AND Template:All-rounders-Double , which is almost ten years old. I'm not sure why it was nominated. (There has been some disagreements as to what the parameters of Template:ODI All-rounders should be, but not with this template. In any case, that wouldn't be a reason to delete it.) I can only assume it was included in error - contrary to the nominator's claim, there was no consensus to delete it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket. (This list at Cricinfo has 1000 runs/100 wickets; the template preserves the ratio while making sure it is not too unwieldy for navigational purposes.) StAnselm (talk) 01:44, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete OR change the parameters of all-rounders template OR change the title, because it is not a All-rounders template. Out of 18 players in the list, only 7 are all-rounders, i.e., 40%. The rest 60% are just bowlers. The same bowlers are in 300 wickets bowlers template too. Change the parameters to 3500runs,200wkts for the All-rounders OR delete All-rounders in the title. Chris8924 (talk) 13:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Someone suggested 3000 runs/150 wickets on the project talk page - that's fair enough, but that should be a discussion for changing the template, not a reason for deletion. (And it would be silly to keep a ODI all-rounder template but not this one.) StAnselm (talk) 19:19, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As i said already, the title is not what the template is. Repeat- It is not a All-rounders template. I am in favor of a statistic for all-rounders, just like there is 10,000runs for batsmen & 300wkts for bowlers. Before nominating here, i have gone through every template after they are nominated in Template Overload discussion & found that all templates are garbage. I have just gone through Template:ODI All-rounders as well, but i am sorry, your argument is invalid. In Template:ODI All-rounders, except 1 player, every one in it are all-rounders, whereas as Template:All-rounders-Double is dominated with bowlers. Please change the parameters of it OR change the title, i will remove its nomination. Further discussion on it is unnecessary. Chris8924 (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "further discussion on it is unnecessary"? We're supposed to discuss and reach a consensus. The template has been around in its current form for ten years! Now, certainly in that time players have achieved the feat who are not normally classified as all-rounders - Johnson, Vettori, Kumble, and of course Harbhajan Singh - but that is not a reason for deletion; that would be WP:RECENTISM. In any case, this simply means the discussion at Template talk:All-rounders-Double (from nine years ago) should be revisited. In fact, such a template was created, named the "All-rounders-Triple" and was deleted via this discussion. Seven years ago. StAnselm (talk) 02:35, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * There is nothing much to discuss on it, is there? Either the "title" or the "parameters" needs to be changed. As i already said, i (& most of us) are in favor of a all-rounders template. There you go, i removed its nomination. Counting on you for the changes required in the template. I already checked the list, 3500runs & 200wkts is fine to eliminate bowlers from it. Chris8924 (talk) 03:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you. I don't think we ought to massage the parameters until we get the result that we want. But the 3000/300 template would still include Warne, Vaas, and Vettori. In any case, I am happy to propose something, but I will need to wait for consensus before making the change. StAnselm (talk) 03:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course, Vettori's test average is actually higher than Martin Guptill's... StAnselm (talk) 03:32, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Did i miss anything there? (ignoring the request made in 2006) Who said anything about 3000/300 here??? 300wkts will include bowlers, & eliminates the best all-rounders Sir Garry Sobers & Kallis. As i said already, 3500/200 is fine Chris8924 (talk) 03:44, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just realized that you have a fixation with 1000/100 2000/200 3000/300. You should understand that, when there is a template for 10,000 runs for batsmen, there is a reason why there is no template for 1,000 wkts for bowlers. News flash: Runs ≠ wkts OR 10 runs ≠ 1 wkt Chris8924 (talk) 03:56, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I wouldn't say it was a fixation. The ODI template has 3000/150 - see also the discussion here. In any case, once again - this needs a discussion and consensus. StAnselm (talk) 04:36, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, after all this, I'm embarrassed to say that the 3000/300 template does exist; it is called Template:All-rounders, and it is included in all the relevant articles. And no, we certainly don't need both templates. StAnselm (talk) 04:50, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This has become a joke now. And its embarrassing to see 2 same templates. Renominating 2000/200 template, since there is already 3000/300 template. I hope you are changing your stance from "Delete all except all-rounders double" to 'Delete all'. Chris8924 (talk) 12:46, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, delete Template:All-rounders-Double. StAnselm (talk) 19:19, 7 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete all except 100 or caps template 100+ are considered to be achievement in tests if we create articles on that ...then we can't sort out players which is only possible in shape of template or discuss it separately so we can have a complete discussion with all wikiproject cricket members GreenCricket (talk) 15:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem with the caps templates is that, unlike all the others, cricketers are split up into countries. It might, for example, be better to put them all in one template and make it 150+ for manageability. On, the other hand, "appearances for one's country" are obviously country-related, so I will agree and say keep all 100 caps templates. This is becoming a trainwreck nomination. StAnselm (talk) 19:36, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no use of a caps template. They just overload templates. Soon, someone will create templates for 200 Or 300 ODI caps or 100 T20I caps which really overloads templates. If a template is necessary, create a new one Template:Players with 100 or more Test caps. Chris8924 (talk) 03:15, 7 November 2015 (UTC)


 * delete, WP:OR. Frietjes (talk) 19:22, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Da-delete1

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The result of the discussion was Userfy. Creator is happy to keep the template, and everyone else is happy to not have it in template space. Primefac (talk) 05:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC) Untranscluded template, dupes Uw-delete1. Sam Sailor Talk! 13:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Da-delete1
 * It's a template I use. I don't like the uw-delete1 or several of the similar templates, so I made my own.  If you delete them, I'll just recreate them, possibly under different names. - Denimadept (talk) 19:38, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * What you just said sounds intent to circumnavigate creation protection if it were ever placed on this title, given that Wikipedia respects WP:CONSENSUS and if this template is recreated after it is deleted, it would then be eligible for WP:G4 deletion. Steel1943  (talk) 20:49, 3 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete or weak redirect to Template:Uw-delete1 per nom. Steel1943  (talk) 20:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Userfy (as a subpage of User:Denimadept) without leaving a redirect per the discussion below with the template's creator. Steel1943  (talk) 16:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Steel, a redirect makes no sense to me, as the user "don't like" the text in the target uw-delete1. A pointy template like this should not exist in template space. Sam Sailor Talk! 09:51, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment it's a substitution template, it should never be transcluded. Being untranscluded is normal. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Correct, . You substitute all that set of uw-* vandalism templates.  Is that all he's complaining about?  And yes, I'll "circumnavigate" what  is saying if needed.  It's not a consensus thing.  It's a thing where I'll use my own vandalism templates even if I have to manually cut and paste them, as the equivalent uw- templates have attributes I don't like. And I see no purpose to discussing why I don't like them because honestly, life's too short to deal with drama on WP.  If I had my druthers, I'd revert every one of the relevant uw- templates back to the state I copied them from. I could recreate them in my own private tree, but I like the idea of letting other people use them.  The only place they're mentioned is on my User page. - Denimadept (talk) 08:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I see no immediate problem with moving Da-delete1 from template space to user space without leaving a redirect, after all the actual difference between it and Uw-delete1 is hair-splittingly minimal. I do see a problem with users creating individual templates in template space with the sole reason that they don't like the existing template. This one should never had been made in template space with the obvious factual errors by its "creator" of adding it to Category:Templates used by Twinkle and Category:Standardised user warning templates. If moved to user space or recreated there as user say they intend to, make sure to exclude these categories. I take note that the user argues that they don't like the consensus-build equivalent, and don't see a purpose in discussing why. Sam Sailor Talk! 09:51, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making your intent of this template's use somewhat clearer (though I still don't agree with your "circumnavigate" stance since if it involves putting this template back into the template namespace, the "creation protection/G4" issues still apply.) Anyways, I'll change my vote accordingly. Steel1943  (talk) 16:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * yes, the idea was that some of the level 1 uw- templates are too friendly. I include my signature on talk page submissions, so I don't need my uid at the beginning of the template.  I'm unaware of the Twinkle and such cats.  I suppose I copied them w/o thinking about it.  I'll get rid of those.  After all, I don't use Twinkle. - Denimadept (talk) 23:16, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I was unable to find any categories or mention of Twinkle. It must be included by something else. - Denimadept (talk) 23:17, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I took care of some of the issues you ran across with this edit, including removing the Twinkle template. Steel1943  (talk) 23:21, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. I don't see that bit of code in the other four templates, so maybe things are okay now. - Denimadept (talk) 04:20, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Vg year interwiki

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The result of the discussion was delete after ensuring that information is in Wikidata. Primefac (talk) 07:18, 11 November 2015 (UTC) Interwiki links are maintained on Wikidata. CAS222222221 (talk) 09:27, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Vg year interwiki
 * Yup, delete per nominator (subst if those particular interwikis aren't on Wikidata yet). --Izno (talk) 12:09, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * delete, no longer needed. Frietjes (talk) 21:52, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, as the template creator. This template is no longer needed thanks to Wikidata (just make sure are the interwiki links are set first in Wikidata). Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 05:24, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Batsmen who have scored centuries against all Test playing nations in Test Cricket

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 05:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC) An unnecessary navigational template that causes bloat to articles. This is a non-standard statistic and provides no value to the reader. Articles are linked through other standard templates including runs scored, wickets taken etc which are standard statistical points. We also have centuries lists linking players with maximum centuries and this is a subset of that. A discussion of this and other templates is at WT:CRIC &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:06, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Batsmen who have scored centuries against all Test playing nations in Test Cricket
 * Delete It's an interesting bit of trivia to add to the article, but doesn't need its own navigation template.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:42, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 16:02, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Batsmen who have scored centuries against all Test playing nations in ODI cricket

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 05:27, 11 November 2015 (UTC) An unnecessary navigational template that causes bloat to articles. This is a non-standard statistic and provides no value to the reader. Articles are linked through other standard templates including runs scored, wickets taken etc which are standard statistical points. We also have centuries lists linking players with maximum centuries and this is a subset of that. A discussion of this and other templates is at WT:CRIC &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:06, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Batsmen who have scored centuries against all Test playing nations in ODI cricket
 * Delete It's an interesting bit of trivia to add to the article, but doesn't need its own navigation template.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:41, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 16:02, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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Template:WPBannerMeta/locwarning

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The result of the discussion was keep. Accidental blanking reverted. This is a warning which is displayed when a WikiProject banner isn't placed on a talk page and is transcluded by its parent template, WPBannerMeta. Alakzi (talk) 20:47, 11 November 2015 (UTC) This template namespace page has been blanked. Pinging the user who performed the aforementioned action for their input and explanation. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 01:11, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * WPBannerMeta/locwarning


 * It looks like I might have inadvertently changed something (2 years ago?) when I was trying to figure out how to create templates -- if so, my apologies. To be honest, at this point I haven't the faintest recollection of looking at it, much less changing it. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:44, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Should be reverted back to the last edit by MSGJ. -- WOSlinker (talk) 23:20, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Pinging MSGJ for input. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 22:46, 4 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I am a member of the Music Theory Project. Please do not delete this template as it is still in active use. --Xavier (talk) 14:29, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I am sorry, I realize I was referring to the music theory template, not the one in discussion. The one in discussion affects the theory template but that is okay, delete it, I want to create new templates anyway. --Xavier (talk) 14:47, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Editnotices/Namespace/Wikipedia talk

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The result of the discussion was relist to Nov 20. Primefac (talk) 07:04, 20 November 2015 (UTC) This template namespace page has been blanked, the corresponding edit summary read "remove for now per WP:BRD". Pinging the user who performed the aforementioned action for their input. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 01:06, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Editnotices/Namespace/Wikipedia talk
 * I can't really see any advantage in deleting because a blank notice is treated the same as a deleted notice by the editnotice system. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:52, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, the software probably skips a few steps, including fetching the edit notice, if there's no edit notice, if that's significant. Alakzi (talk) 20:57, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * delete, no point in keeping it. Frietjes (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per MSGJ and the fact that it is listed by a link at Template:Editnotices/Namespace. Might as well keep the list intact. Steel1943  (talk) 19:47, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. Template:Editnotices/Namespace/Main, Template:Editnotices/Namespace/User, and Template:Editnotices/Namespace/User talk from that list are visibly empty but contain content. Should this page contain something similar? It had content at one time . — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 20:13, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Collab-gaming

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The result of the discussion was move to project space. Alakzi (talk) 20:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC) The template has been blanked, the reason given was "CotM is closed down". Pinging the user who performed the aforementioned action for their input. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 01:01, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Collab-gaming
 * Honestly I'm not sure whether to let it be deleted or have it be retained as historical. Maybe more input might determine that. GamerPro64  01:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * whatever happens, the same should happen with Template:CurrentGCOTW. I could see either deleting it, or moving it to project space and marking it as historical. Frietjes (talk) 21:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Child taxa/Pliciloricidae
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The result of the discussion was keep for now. The parent template is no longer in use and has been deleted, but the subpages will be temporarily retained until it's clear that this data is no longer needed. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC) This template is not used on any pages and looks empty. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:00, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Child taxa/Pliciloricidae


 * All the subpages of Child taxa should be empty (all 10,552), see Templates for discussion/Log/2015 November 1. They would presumably be deleted per WP:G8, if the main template is deleted. Peter coxhead gave a good explanation in the aforementioned discussion. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 20:31, 3 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree that at some point they can all be deleted, but I propose we wait a bit longer to make sure there are no more objections or reports of problems, as per my original post at Template talk:Automatic taxobox/Archive 13. The subpages are not actually empty, if you edit them: they contain lists of child taxa generated by Taxobot. Let's be really sure this data isn't needed any more. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:36, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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