Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 February 4



Template:2013 The Summit League men's soccer navbox

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The result of the discussion was delete. Opabinia regalis (talk) 23:34, 22 February 2016 (UTC) WP:EXISTING -- The navbox is only used in the 2013 League season article, making it hard to navigate. The standard for this type of thing would be a standings template (e.g. Template:Standings Table Start), if there were season articles that existed, which there are not any. Quite frankly, the 2013 Summit League men's soccer season should be deleted as well. But that's another forum. ❄ Corkythe hornetfan  ❄ 23:35, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 2013 The Summit League men's soccer navbox
 * Delete. Useless for navigation at the moment. Feel free to re-create when there are actually articles to navigate to. - HyperGaruda (talk) 20:54, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for now as premature and possibly better replaced by a standings template, when appropriate, per nom —PC-XT+ 00:46, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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Template:AirAsia Philippine Patriots team roster

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The result of the discussion was delete. Opabinia regalis (talk) 23:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * AirAsia Philippine Patriots team roster
 * Delete. A current roster navbox whose subject is a now-defunct basketball franchise. Sixth of March 02:50, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete. Factually inaccurate template about a "current roster", now that the team has been disbanded. Also, the contrasting blue and red hurt my eyes... At least pick other colours if it's going to be a keep; the team's infobox says it has 4 to choose from - HyperGaruda (talk) 20:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as no longer useful, with the team gone —PC-XT+ 00:40, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Lincuri/google

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The result of the discussion was delete. Opabinia regalis (talk) 23:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC) Template created in 2005 as a test and appears to have no use at all subsequent to that point. Template appears to be orphaned, save for 2 or 3 user page transclusions. Safiel (talk) 03:10, 24 January 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Lincuri/google
 * Lincuri/google/selectiv
 * I suppose this could be userfied, but otherwise it should be deleted. —PC-XT+ 21:42, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Userfy so we don't need to relist this -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 06:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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ESPN RISE football navboxes

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The result of the discussion was delete. Opabinia regalis (talk) 23:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC) These templates denote a minor award that is not a defining biographical element for its recipients. These navboxes are therefore unneeded and clutter more pertinent navboxes in the footers of the bio articles on which they are transcluded. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * ESPN RISE Elite 11
 * ESPNRISE 2000s All-Decade team
 * ESPNRISE Junior
 * ESPNRISE Sophomore
 * Delete per nom. Cbl62 (talk) 01:37, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator's rationale. I might also add that the second, third and fourth navboxes lack a supporting article or list on the specific subject of the navbox per WP:NAVBOX criterion no. 4.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep ESPN RISE Elite 11. While all of these originate from Student Sports and ESPN, the Elite 11 (high school quarterback recruiting rankings of graduating seniors) has a stand-alone article and is by far the most notable.  We already treat quarterbacks differently than other positions, such as via starting QB navboxes.  A simple google news search shows the award referenced in many high school recruiting articles by mainstream newspapers, national sports sites in cycle to recruiting coverage, college media guides, and such.  Similar coverage exists for the other awards, but they lack associated articles and the coverage is less prevalent. UW Dawgs (talk) 00:22, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete Jweiss11 reasoning.--Yankees10 06:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all These are minor awards that I would not expect to be mentioned in the lead of the majority of these article if they were to reach FA status. WP:NAVBOX is a minimum requirement if a navbox is to exist, it should not be treated as an automatic green light to create navboxes, lest we continue with template creep.—Bagumba (talk) 07:11, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per everyone else. Lizard  (talk) 19:19, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Ibrahim

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The result of the discussion was delete. Month-old, unopposed nomination. Opabinia regalis (talk) 23:37, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

The family list is something for an infobox, the remaining three links can easily be put in a "See also" section, if not in the main text itself. Of those three, the link to Maqām Ibrāhīm redirects to tiny subsection in Petrosomatoglyph, leaving actually only two meaningful links. HyperGaruda (talk) 09:24, 20 January 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Ibrahim

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC) Although the following is a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, I'd like to add that many similar templates were deleted during a previous AfD, this AfD about {Abu Bakr}, and this AfD about {Fatimah}. - HyperGaruda (talk) 20:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. HyperGaruda (talk) 20:25, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Fb team Springwood FC

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Or more accurately, not enough information to judge. There's no links here to the prior relevant discussions mentioned, and having looked at the templates, I can't figure out why you'd want a single, often red wikilink in a template, although the practice apparently has a few defenders. No prejudice against a renomination that explains the context. Opabinia regalis (talk) 23:42, 24 February 2016 (UTC) Unused, seems to have been created in error JMHamo (talk) 13:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Fb team Springwood FC
 * Fb team Roosters FC
 * Fb team Luddenham United
 * Fb team Hakoah FC
 * Fb team Fairfield Wanderers
 * Fb team Chopin Park Rams
 * Fb team Belmore Hercules
 * Fb team Bathurst 75
 * Fb team Balmain SC
 * delete, I added some from the same category after fixing the issue [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2011_Football_NSW_season&type=revision&diff=698835023&oldid=697811258 here]. Frietjes (talk) 15:10, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - I don't understand why the above changes had to occur? - J man708 (talk) 13:54, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, these weren't unused at the time of creation. Frietjes' edit had them taken out, as to "avoid using new fb team templates, which are deprecated". I know this isn't going to win me any friends, but I build a LOT of football pages and find this system a million times more user-friendly than the new system. I'll avoid using the new system as much as possible, especially as other football season pages prior to this new system utilise these "fb templates" aswell. - J man708 (talk) 02:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - It's clear that this isn't going to get too many responses. I personally edit a lot of old football articles and these templates really do help me out a lot. They're a lot simpler for me than any alternatives and some of these are utilised quite a few times in different places. Relisting this isn't going to do much, due to the lack of interest, so I ask that they be saved, due to the fact that it saves me a lot of hassle as an article creator. Thanks. - J man708 (talk) 20:55, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: On the one hand, I believe new Fb team templates are deprecated for several reasons, though I haven't actually read the discussions. (Could someone link to it/them, please? JMHamo or Frietjes?) On the other hand, I don't think J man is the only one that still finds them useful. I'm not sure the local consensus is strong enough, though. —PC-XT+ 00:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Englishmen with 100 or more ODI caps

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The result of the discussion was delete. The claim for keeping mainly lies in the assertion that this is a notable milestone in a player's career. Given that there is no article to corroborate that information, this remains fancruft in the eyes of many. Should an article to this effect be created, I see no reason why it could not be restored, but as of right now there is no compelling reason to keep it. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:27, 24 February 2016 (UTC) WP:NOTSTATS and simply not notable. &mdash; Swastik Chakraborty (User talk)  07:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Englishmen with 100 or more ODI caps


 * Keep reaching 100 ODI caps is a notable milestone, recognised by bodies such as the England and Wales Cricket Board (e.g. here). The Rambling Man (talk) 09:43, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep 100 ODI caps is a achievement..a odi team on avg plays 20 or more ODIs a year so if a player plays 100 ODIs then he must have been regular in team for nearly 5 years which certainly is a achievement to remain in competitive team  Green Cricket  14:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - notable achievement. GiantSnowman 14:51, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - If you people consider the above template as a notable one, then this Template:Cricketers with 300 or more ODI caps is also notable, which is being considered for deletion as well. If GiantSnowman,  Green Cricket  and The Rambling Man think that the above template should be kept, then please place your valuable comments here. Your decisions are valuable. &mdash; Swastik Chakraborty (User talk)  03:11, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think arbitrary number is not considered as achievement..yes, a template with 100 or more caps must be kept other must be deleted  Green Cricket  09:39, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete. Pointless template that adds no value and is a waste of space. Jack | talk page 20:12, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete. Fancrufty navbox that especially fails guideline #4 of WP:NAVBOX: There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template. The 300-cap version already got deleted. Why would 100 caps be that special, apart from being a perceived likable number in the decimal system (nothing extraordinary about it when written in binary: 1100100)? I do not see any award associated with it... - HyperGaruda (talk) 09:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - No supporting article or list on the specific subject of the navbox, per WP:NAVBOX criterion no. 4. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep if a referenced article is created, otherwise delete —PC-XT+ 02:47, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Fancruft with no supporting article. The article itself could be worth it, but this template is not. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:46, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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Template:White nationalism
<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
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The result of the discussion was keep, with NPASR if the suggested fixes are not implemented. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:22, 24 February 2016 (UTC) Useless for navigation purposes, no clear boundary to prevent obscene growth, little to no evident pattern for users to hop from one topic to the next. See reasons given in prior discussions for similar templates here and here. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 07:07, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * White nationalism


 * I'm not entirely clear on what the objections to the template are, but if it's kept, I'd recommend removing the "Individuals" section. That's the section that's already out of hand and could grow almost infinitely. I guess I'm also wondering why it's useful to have a "white nationalism" template, since the article on the topic seems pretty vague. A template for "white supremacy" and/or "white separatism" might be easier to define and manage within the desired boundaries. Cynwolfe (talk) 01:26, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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It is not necessary to delete this template, just it has to be improved for better navigation. Some sections could be reduced, but all the template can't be deleted because it's important, the subject is controversial and need to be clarified as best as possible. Navigation template works, I am against of deletion. --Humberto del Torrejón (talk) 18:27, 26 January 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Weak keep for now to improve the template as suggested above, then renominate it in a month or two if it still has problems. —PC-XT+ 01:05, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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