Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 November 18



Template:Heads of the Ministries of the Government of India

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The result of the discussion was Relisted on 2016 November 27 Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 20:00, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Heads of the Ministries of the Government of India
 * Union ministries of India
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Template:List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States Annual Total

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 20:00, 27 November 2016 (UTC) Propose merging Template:List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States Annual Total with Template:List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States Annual Total Adder.
 * List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States Annual Total
 * List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States Annual Total Adder

The only difference between these two templates is their behavior when an error occurs, which seem like a perfect example of a distinction that should be provided by a parameter rather than a wrapper. P p p er y 22:50, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - especially when it appears that the former is set up to not have errors. Primefac (talk) 20:59, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


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Template:List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States 2012, header

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Nabla (talk) 18:30, 26 November 2016 (UTC) Unused and redundant to List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, Description. P p p er y 22:44, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States 2012, header
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Template:Nuclide

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:27, 26 November 2016 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Nuclide with Template:Nuclide2.
 * nuclide
 * nuclide2

This template has been deprecated since 2009, but is still around, and is used on 108 pages. It invokes nuclide2 over a bit of syntax about the way it requests a link. suggest merging, and renaming the merged template nuclide Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:28, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * As the one who created this mess, I strongly agree to the merger. If I had the possibility to do this myself, I would have done so a long time ago. But manually editing ask those pages was never an option for me. — SkyLined (talk) 23:54, 18 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I suppose the merger is a good idea, and tfm on nuclide is probably fine, but putting tfm on nuclide2 ruins a lot of nice tables. See activation product for example.  If we put tfm only on nuclide, until most of those are changed over, would that be good enough?  Do we have to ruin all the others, until this is complete? Gah4 (talk) 00:08, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I am actively working on tables using nuclide2 and this change ruins all the tables! I tried to revert only on nuclide2, as that is supposed to be the good one, but it was rereverted. If this is going to be only for a few days, I suppose I can live with it, but if it will be months or years, no. Since nuclide has been deprecated for nine years, do I expect this change to be fast?  Gah4 (talk) 01:14, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Oppose: a lot of work for a tiny bit of gain. Hopefully people will see the deprecated note and not use nuclide template in new pages. Typing an extra 2 isn't all that hard to do. Gah4 (talk) 06:38, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I am starting to learn templates, but don't know bots at all. I suspect a bot could easily convert the nuclide to the appropriate nuclide2, then, in a separate operation, move back to nuclide. I wouldn't have called that merge, though, and there is no need to mess up all the pages to do it.  According to deprecated, one should be able to convert them over.  If a bot can do it, it should be pretty easy, but I am not very interested in doing 100 pages by hand.  Personally, I am generating tables with programs, and it doesn't make much difference what it is called.  Gah4 (talk) 05:05, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I looked a little on how to do bots, but didn't figure out how easy it would be to do. Since it is easy for the bot to find which tables to edit, it should be pretty easy for a bot expert. Gah4 (talk) 05:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge as proposed. We don't need nasty deprecated old templates lying around to confuse people. You could ask at WP:BOTREQ to get a bot to make the necessary replacements. — This, that and the other (talk) 10:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I have no real opinion on the question (though merging strikes me as a good idea, with a bot to make all the changes); I mainly write to note that user Sporkbot seems to have jumped the gun in editing the articles Beta decay and Discovery of the neutron which I watch, assuming this discussion has had an outcome already (Sporkbot assumes merge is the outcome of this discussion, I think). No objection to the change, just that one should wait for an actual outcome before invoking it on an edit, seems to me.   Bdushaw (talk) 23:26, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Dragons' Den (Canada)

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 18:53, 25 November 2016 (UTC) Once we remove the cast and crew per WP:PERFNAV, there is nothing left worth navigating. Rob Sinden (talk) 14:05, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Dragons' Den (Canada)


 * Delete - Per nom. Completely useless as a template. Parsley Man (talk) 03:20, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


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Template:U.S. statewide elected officials
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The result of the discussion was listify if possible. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 06:00, 26 November 2016 (UTC) only used in one page, and many of the links are in conflict with WP:EGG Frietjes (talk) 22:29, 1 November 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * U.S. statewide elected officials
 * Keep It's useful to the reader for finding statewide elected officials Orser67 (talk) 00:56, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Orser67, why are some of the links to templates and some to articles? The links for Alaska, Alabama, Florida, and Iowa (for example) all go to very different types of types of templates and types of articles.  wouldn't it be better to have a list article for all the states? Frietjes (talk) 13:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea Orser67 (talk) 15:22, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as unused. And as nom points out, we shouldn't be linking to other templates in this way.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:27, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 07:20, 8 November 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 10:39, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * , any reason why you are continuing to relist this when the only person saying "keep" says that creating a list article instead is "a good idea"? Frietjes (talk) 16:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Mostly because listing this in the listify section of WP:TFD/H is costly/takes a lot of editor time to complete. If we're going that route, I'd prefer to ensure there's consensus for it. (I never relist more than twice, for the record.) ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 17:29, 18 November 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Soulhead
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The result of the discussion was merge with Template:Soulhead albums Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:59, 19 November 2016 (UTC) unused and duplicates Template:Soulhead singles, should probably be merged (or the singles template moved to this title after deleting this one) Frietjes (talk) 23:14, 8 November 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To further discuss a possible merge. If a merge does occur, note that it should probably be a merge into Soulhead albums, not away from the already transcluded and larger template.
 * Soulhead
 * Merge Template:Soulhead albums into this one. Template:Soulhead singles can work as standalone or merged as well. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:00, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

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Template:Stretch Arm Strong
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:12, 26 November 2016 (UTC) None of the entries were notable. Nothing to navigate to. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:16, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Stretch Arm Strong


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Template:PD-USGov-USDA-FS
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:13, 26 November 2016 (UTC) Unused copyright tag, replaceable by   F ASTILY   04:32, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * PD-USGov-USDA-FS
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Template:PD-USGov-Treasury
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:13, 26 November 2016 (UTC) Unused copyright tag, replaceable by   F ASTILY   04:31, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * PD-USGov-Treasury
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Template:PD-USGov-DOL
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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:13, 26 November 2016 (UTC) Unused copyright tag, replaceable by   F ASTILY   04:25, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * PD-USGov-DOL
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Template:Query web archive
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The result of the discussion was Relisted on 2016 November 26 ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 05:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Query web archive
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Template:Western Pacific Railroad lines
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The result of the discussion was Relisted on 2016 November 26 ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 05:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Western Pacific Railroad lines
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Template:Asian Games Record
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 05:57, 26 November 2016 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 22:24, 2 November 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Asian Games Record
 * Comment The intention of this template was to replace the many we have at Category:Asian Games templates which duplicate the same function needlessly. It looks like the uses I applied have been since removed. I still think this is a useful piece of clean up to do. SFB 00:32, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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Template:Art Nouveau
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:57, 24 November 2016 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 22:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Art Nouveau
 * Comment: I think if this were inserted into articles it could be really useful and help promote new articles. I think we should give the template another chance! -- Turn➦ 16:11, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 03:09, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep and insert into relevant articles. Hopefully, this should prompt some community feedback and if it's not favourable the template could then get deleted. – Uanfala (talk) 12:08, 22 November 2016 (UTC)


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Template:World Press Freedom Organizations
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The result of the discussion was Delete ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 05:54, 26 November 2016 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 14:55, 10 November 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Now used. Do you still want to delete this?
 * World Press Freedom Organizations

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 * probably better covered by a category. Frietjes (talk) 16:57, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, the criteria for inclusion is not clear, and duplicates Category:Freedom of expression organizations. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 18:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
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