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Template:Atlético Petróleos de Luanda (handball) Women's 2012-2013

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The result of the discussion was Relisted on 2016 October 27 (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 01:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Atlético Petróleos de Luanda (handball) Women's 2012-2013
 * Atlético Petróleos de Luanda (handball) Women's 2013-2014
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Template:Atlético Sport Aviação 2012-13

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The result of the discussion was Relisted on 2016 October 27 (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 01:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Atlético Sport Aviação 2012-13
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Template:Atlético Petróleos de Luanda (basketball) 2012-2013

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The result of the discussion was Relisted on 2016 October 27 (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 01:31, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Asseco Resovia Rzeszów team - 2014-2015

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The result of the discussion was Relisted on 2016 October 27 (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 01:31, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Asseco Resovia Rzeszów team - 2014-2015
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Template:Archie Comics

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:38, 28 October 2016 (UTC) unused wrapper template which is redundant to more targeted transclusion of the subtemplates. Frietjes (talk) 21:11, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Archie Comics


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Template:Archiac

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:38, 28 October 2016 (UTC) defunct, historical list maintained in parent article. Frietjes (talk) 21:10, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Archiac


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Template:Aphonopelma Species

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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:15, 25 October 2016 (UTC) blanked, and would be duplication of Aphonopelma and Euathlus if it were up-to-date. Frietjes (talk) 21:08, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Aphonopelma Species
 * Euathlus Species
 * Delete all such "Genus species" templates should be deleted; they have at most one or two uses, duplicate lists in articles, and are less likely to be kept up-to-date. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


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Template:AnthemListUN

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  23:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC) looks like the author meant to speedy delete it, but used the wrong template. Frietjes (talk) 21:06, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * AnthemListUN
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Template:AnswersinGenesis

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:39, 28 October 2016 (UTC) provides insufficient bi-directional navigation. Frietjes (talk) 21:05, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * AnswersinGenesis
 * Nolo contendere as template creator. I thought I could develop this into something useful, but there's so much overlap between it and the various creation science templates that I don't think it's going to be workable. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Annandaliella Species

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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:14, 25 October 2016 (UTC) unused and duplicates Annandaliella, Brachypelma, Ceratogyrus, Grammostola, Haplopelma, Ornithoctonus, Pamphobeteus, Phormictopus, Poecilotheria, Psalmopoeus, Pterinochilus, Selenocosmia, Selenotypus, and Theraphosa. Frietjes (talk) 21:04, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Annandaliella Species
 * Brachypelma Species
 * Ceratogyrus Species
 * Grammostola Species
 * Haplopelma Species
 * Ornithoctonus Species
 * Pamphobeteus Species
 * Phormictopus Species
 * Poecilotheria Species
 * Psalmopoeus Species
 * Pterinochilus Species
 * Selenocosmia Species
 * Selenotypus Species
 * Theraphosa Species
 * Delete all such "Genus species" templates should be deleted; they have at most one or two uses, duplicate lists in articles, and are less likely to be kept up-to-date. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:02, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as only one or two usages, preferable to write the list straight in the article --SuperJew (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


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Template:American soccer teams by league

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:39, 28 October 2016 (UTC) unused and redundant navigation. Frietjes (talk) 21:02, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * American soccer teams by league


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Template:American football national team

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:39, 28 October 2016 (UTC) unused and duplicates other gridiron football infoboxes. Frietjes (talk) 21:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * American football national team


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Template:Ami Species

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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:12, 25 October 2016 (UTC) unused and all redlinks. Frietjes (talk) 21:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Ami Species
 * Delete all such "Genus species" templates should be deleted; they have at most one or two uses, duplicate lists in articles, and are less likely to be kept up-to-date. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:03, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


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Template:1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica articles with no significant updates progress

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  20:09, 19 October 2016 (UTC) unused and points at the wrong category. should either be fixed/renamed/used, or deleted. Frietjes (talk) 21:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica articles with no significant updates progress
 * Sure it's unused; I had an aspiration that items in this category might be expanded one day, but that will probably never happen. I only created this because the maintenance category guidelines suggested it. But I don't understand "wrong category". Category:1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica articles with no significant updates has 412 members currently. David Brooks (talk) 01:01, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * David Brooks, if it is tracking the correct category, why does it say 0 entries? (hint click on the "undated articles" link). Frietjes (talk) 16:42, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, I think I see what happened. When I set up Category:1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica articles with no significant updates a year ago, I must have been utterly confused by Creating a dated maintenance category. So this template is, yes, a mistake. Delete it. David Brooks (talk) 13:52, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:London series

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:40, 28 October 2016 (UTC) unused and duplicates other navigation. Frietjes (talk) 20:58, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * London series


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Template:Lists of populated places in Andhra Pradesh
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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:11, 25 October 2016 (UTC) lists of populated places are generally maintained as categories, hence navigation between list articles should not be needed. Frietjes (talk) 20:53, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Lists of populated places in Andhra Pradesh


 * Delete: Template is not in use in any article and every article in the template except one is a redlink. Pratyush (talk) 07:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Just noticed, that one non-redlink article of the template is a redirect. Pratyush (talk) 07:47, 19 October 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Lists of fossiliferous stratigraphic units in the administrative divisions of the federal subjects of Russia
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:40, 28 October 2016 (UTC) all red links. Frietjes (talk) 20:52, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Lists of fossiliferous stratigraphic units in the administrative divisions of the federal subjects of Russia


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Template:ListBgColor1
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:40, 28 October 2016 (UTC) unused and not clear why we need it. Frietjes (talk) 20:50, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Linguistiek
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:40, 28 October 2016 (UTC) not in English, and duplicates the English version of the same template. Frietjes (talk) 20:48, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Lift to drag ratio examples
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC) duplicates Lift-to-drag ratio. Frietjes (talk) 20:47, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Lifesigns
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC) provides no core navigation. Frietjes (talk) 20:45, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Lex Records
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC) provides very little navigation. Frietjes (talk) 20:36, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Letters with reverse tilde
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC) unused and not clear where it would be used. Frietjes (talk) 20:35, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Law Schools of the East South Central States
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC) unused and partially duplicates other navboxes like Law Schools of the Southeast. Frietjes (talk) 20:30, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Law Schools of the East South Central States


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Template:LayTheravadaPractices
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2016 (UTC) unused. Frietjes (talk) 20:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Lega Nord sidebar
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2016 (UTC) duplicates navigation found in Template:Lega Nord. Frietjes (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Lil' Kim sidebar
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2016 (UTC) duplicates navigation found in Template:Lil' Kim. Frietjes (talk) 20:25, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Luther Seminary
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2016 (UTC) unused, and provides no core linking. just linking to people associated with the seminary. Frietjes (talk) 20:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Lymphopoiesis Modern Acronymia
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 14:43, 28 October 2016 (UTC) unused, and not clear where it would be used. Frietjes (talk) 20:17, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Lymphopoiesis Modern Acronymia


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Template:Symptoms involving head and neck/sandbox
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The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator. Per Primefac's comment below. Non-admin closure. Safiel (talk) 22:04, 17 October 2016 (UTC) Abandoned and unused template. Safiel (talk) 19:30, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Symptoms involving head and neck/sandbox
 * Keep but blank. This is the sandbox page for Template:Symptoms involving head and neck, so deletion is unnecessary. clpo13(talk) 19:35, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * , did you mean to nominate Symptoms involving head and neck? If not, this nomination will be closed; sandboxes are for testing and shouldn't be transcluded anywhere (which it isn't). Primefac (talk) 19:38, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Medicine navs/below/doc
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The result of the discussion was procedural keep. The main template is already nominated; if deleted the /doc will also be deleted. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 19:41, 17 October 2016 (UTC) Documentation page for unused template. Safiel (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Medicine navs/below/doc
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Template:Medicine navs/below
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. No opposition. REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2016 (UTC) Abandoned and unused template. Safiel (talk) 19:27, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Utica locator
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:10, 25 October 2016 (UTC) single use template, which I have now merged with the article. Frietjes (talk) 17:07, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Utica locator
 * Ubicación Geográfica
 * BISU location
 * delete I guess I created the first one. Buffaboy  talk 04:06, 19 October 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Twilight Force
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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2016 (UTC) Only one working link. Does not serve a navigational box's primary purpose, which is... well, to enable navigation. Victão Lopes Fala! 17:02, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Twilight Force
 * delete, does not provide sufficient navigation. Frietjes (talk) 17:29, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * no problem with delete. I am eventualist in this case so I created it mainly for other Wikipedians who would be interest in creating pages about TF´s albums. But if you´ll feel free to delete it, do that.--Michal Lenc (talk) 17:53, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Canada at the Commonwealth Games
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The result of the discussion was keep. It appears that the information found in the infoboxes might be better suited for the navboxes. A discussion to that effect should take place, with NPASR for this family of templates should the decision be to keep the infoboxes as they are and delete the navboxes. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:04, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Canada at the Commonwealth Games


 * Anguilla at the Commonwealth Games
 * Antigua and Barbuda at the Commonwealth Games
 * Australia at the Commonwealth Games
 * Bahamas at the Commonwealth Games
 * Bangladesh at the Commonwealth Games
 * Barbados at the Commonwealth Games
 * Belize at the Commonwealth Games
 * Bermuda at the Commonwealth Games
 * Botswana at the Commonwealth Games
 * British North Borneo at the Commonwealth Games
 * British Virgin Islands at the Commonwealth Games
 * Brunei at the Commonwealth Games
 * Cameroon at the Commonwealth Games
 * Canada at the Commonwealth Games
 * Cayman Islands at the Commonwealth Games
 * Christmas Island at the Commonwealth Games
 * Cook Islands at the Commonwealth Games
 * Cyprus at the Commonwealth Games
 * Dominica at the Commonwealth Games
 * England at the Commonwealth Games
 * Falkland Islands at the Commonwealth Games
 * Fiji at the Commonwealth Games
 * Gambia at the Commonwealth Games
 * Ghana at the Commonwealth Games
 * Gibraltar at the Commonwealth Games
 * Grenada at the Commonwealth Games
 * Guernsey at the Commonwealth Games
 * Guyana at the Commonwealth Games
 * Hong Kong at the Commonwealth Games
 * India at the Commonwealth Games
 * Ireland at the Commonwealth Games
 * Irish Free State at the Commonwealth Games
 * Isle of Man at the Commonwealth Games
 * Jamaica at the Commonwealth Games
 * Jersey at the Commonwealth Games
 * Kenya at the Commonwealth Games
 * Kiribati at the Commonwealth Games
 * Lesotho at the Commonwealth Games
 * Malawi at the Commonwealth Games
 * Malaya at the Commonwealth Games
 * Malaysia at the Commonwealth Games
 * Maldives at the Commonwealth Games
 * Malta at the Commonwealth Games
 * Mauritius at the Commonwealth Games
 * Montserrat at the Commonwealth Games
 * Mozambique at the Commonwealth Games
 * Namibia at the Commonwealth Games
 * Nauru at the Commonwealth Games
 * New Zealand at the Commonwealth Games
 * Newfoundland at the Commonwealth Games
 * Nigeria at the Commonwealth Games
 * Niue at the Commonwealth Games
 * Norfolk Island at the Commonwealth Games
 * Northern Ireland at the Commonwealth Games
 * Pakistan at the Commonwealth Games
 * Papua New Guinea at the Commonwealth Games
 * Rodrigues at the Commonwealth Games
 * Rwanda at the Commonwealth Games
 * Saint Helena at the Commonwealth Games
 * Saint Kitts and Nevis at the Commonwealth Games
 * Saint Lucia at the Commonwealth Games
 * Saint Vincent and the Grenadines at the Commonwealth Games
 * Samoa at the Commonwealth Games
 * Sarawak at the Commonwealth Games
 * Scotland at the Commonwealth Games
 * Seychelles at the Commonwealth Games
 * Sierra Leone at the Commonwealth Games
 * Singapore at the Commonwealth Games
 * Solomon Islands at the Commonwealth Games
 * South Africa at the Commonwealth Games
 * South Arabia at the Commonwealth Games
 * Sri Lanka at the Commonwealth Games
 * Swaziland at the Commonwealth Games
 * Tanganyika at the Commonwealth Games
 * Tanzania at the Commonwealth Games
 * Tokelau at the Commonwealth Games
 * Tonga at the Commonwealth Games
 * Trinidad and Tobago at the Commonwealth Games
 * Turks and Caicos Islands at the Commonwealth Games
 * Tuvalu at the Commonwealth Games
 * Uganda at the Commonwealth Games
 * Vanuatu at the Commonwealth Games
 * Wales at the Commonwealth Games
 * Zambia at the Commonwealth Games
 * Zimbabwe at the Commonwealth Games

I am nominating this one (along with all the other nation at the Commonwealth Games templates, as these are redundant. There is an infobox at the top of all pages which use this template. with the exact same links. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:38, 8 October 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Note that per the above discussion there are now 85 templates being nominated. TFDlinks disabled to avoid breaking transclusion count of the page
 * Comment/question -, just to clarify: are you only nominating this template, or did you intend to nominate multiple templates in this nomination? Primefac (talk) 16:26, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I am nominating all the countries with similar templates. I am not sure how to nominate multiple templates under one nomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportsfan 1234 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * , please list below this comment the specific templates you would like to delete, and I will add them to the nomination when I relist the discussion. Primefac (talk) 18:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * All the ones in this category . Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:19, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * delete, redundant to the navigation provided in the infobox. Frietjes (talk) 17:30, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * comment I am uneasy about using Infoboxes to provide navigation in this fashion - that's not what infoboxes are for. I see no problem in providing a "previous" and "next" link in the infobox but otherwise infoboxes should be used for a summary of information, and navboxes for navigation. I wouldn't want to see this case providing a precedent. Is there a precedent elsewhere for using infoboxes for navigation? --NSH002 (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * , as near as I can tell these infoboxes are actually really ugly infobox/sidebar hybrids, with the "years participated" bit hardcoded into the IB. As to your question, I don't think there is such precedent for using IBs for navigation, but sidebars often do. The entire IB system surrounding the Commonwealth Games needs to be looked at, but that's a completely different discussion. Primefac (talk) 18:42, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Primefac. I don't think we can decide to delete these until the question of the infoboxes is resolved. Hence I am "!voting" procedural keep. --NSH002 (talk) 09:06, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


 * procedural keep. Best to wait until the question of the infoboxes is decided: if it is decided to remove the navigation links from the infoboxes, then these can be kept, otherwise they should be deleted. --NSH002 (talk) 09:06, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - The navigation links should be removed from the infobox. Kaldari (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


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The result of the discussion was Relisted on 2016 October 27 (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 01:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Mexican TV by channel number
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The result of the discussion was merge''' Bsexi with Importance example. Keep Better source example. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 23:20, 28 October 2016 (UTC) Alternative proposal: merge Bsexi with Importance-example Propose merging Template:Bsexi with Template:Better source example.
 * Bsexi
 * Better source example

Inline templates derived from Refexample. The two used to display and, respectively, which was no different from importance-inline and better source needed. So I edited both to. I think the templates should now be merged and then renamed to Refexample inline. Ilovetopaint (talk) 03:38, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * --Ilovetopaint (talk) 03:38, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * For future reference,, any deletion you make (be it AFD, TFD, etc), it is automatically assumed that you support it as the nominator. You don't need to put a !vote down as well. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 03:42, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted, thanks.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 03:49, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I opposed said changes to better source example and reverted them. I'm not sure I have any opinions about where to proceed, though. Primefac (talk) 04:02, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * What exactly is it that you oppose? All you just did was revert them back to dupes of importance-inline and better source needed. The templates were created as an inline version of Refexample, and were supposed to be used in cases like Patience Wright and Neo-psychedelia.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 04:11, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Specifically, the fact that "importance of example" is not obviously what one would see when using better source example. As stated, I would be okay moving it to refexample inline or doing something similar, I'm just not thrilled about the idea of having a template that is somewhat of a surprise. Primefac (talk) 04:25, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but I don't see how is any less of a surprise for a template called "better source example".--Ilovetopaint (talk) 00:17, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The name came from taking the Better source template and customizing it for poorly-sourced examples, hence "better source [example]". Similarly, "refimprove [example]" was spawned from Refimprove. You can name them anything you like as long as you leave a redirect behind, I find it easy to remember "better source needed for this example." BrightRoundCircle (talk) 07:05, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose - visually they produce the same superscript, but the hyperlink is different and the tooltip/hover-text is different. "importance?" is more concise than "importance from example" and I'm in favor of keeping visual noise to a minimum. The difference between "importance?" and "better source needed" is subtle but it's explained in the docs; "importance?" is for examples that may not be important at all; "better source needed" is for examples that may be important but their source does not discuss their importance. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 07:46, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * We could rephrase the differences another way:
 * Better source example is for examples whose importance are disputed and need a better source for clarification.
 * Bsexi is for examples whose importance are disputed (in other words, examples that need a better source for clarification).
 * As for "visual noise" - huh? is only 2 characters more than . The former also addresses the issue clearer, and wouldn't have required me to click on it to learn that it's a different template from better source needed. --Ilovetopaint (talk) 09:23, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems like you are deliberately ignoring the difference between "may not be important" and "may be important but requires a better source". "importance?" carries the same message as "importance of example?" at less than half the length. If you don't want to click on the link, don't; it doesn't matter if it's a different template if you don't click it or read the hover text. The solution is the same, but if you click it or read the hover text you get a more informative description of the issue.
 * This merge proposal relies on not differentiating between the templates (and in fact stemmed from your edit to make both templates the same) and ignoring their hover text and links. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 14:39, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * To make things crystal clear, we are dealing with four templates here:
 * better source which produces the superscript "[better source needed]" and links to WP:QS
 * better source example or bsex which produces the same superscript but links to Template:Refexample and has a different tooltip
 * importance inline which produces the superscript "[importance?]" and links to WP:INDISCRIMINATE
 * bsexi which produces the same superscript and links to Template:Refexample and has a different tooltip.
 * better source and better source example produce the same superscript but link to different explanations of the issue, with the latter being specifically about examples.
 * importance inline and bsexi produce the same superscript but link to different explanations of the issue, with the latter being specifically about examples.
 * bsex and bsexi produce different superscript but link to the same explanation of the issue, with the former more leaning towards the example being significant and merely needing a better source, and the latter leaning towards the example being insignificant and likely without any source to demonstrate its significance.
 * Neither of these pairs needs to be merged. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Is there a precedent for inline templates that produce identical superscripts? Your rationales carry as much weight as a proposal to make according to whom produce, as well as according what source to produce .-Ilovetopaint (talk) 04:37, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a very good question. I still oppose the merge but now I see your point. If there are no inline citation templates that produce the same superscript, we can change the superscript to something that'll be acceptable to everyone. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 16:38, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have found who and who2 which have the same superscript but a different link. Despite this, I acknowledge the practice is rare and might be confusing, and I am in favor of differentiating the superscript. Let's discuss differentiating the superscript instead of merging the templates, because they serve different purposes. Additionally, I've noticed almost all inline templates use fix, so I'll convert these templates into fix templates too, for consistency. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 16:58, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Following the principles of least surprise, consistency, and seeking to avoid redundancy, I've merged bsexi into your importance-example. Bold merge and all, but I assume this is an acceptable solution for bsexi, which only leaves bsex to be fixed. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 17:20, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Assuming the above merge goes well, I hope we can leave better source example to peacefully coexist with better source the same way who and who2 coexist. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 17:26, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've reverted your merge as I don't think it is proper to merge relevant templates while a discussion is ongoing (even though you are doing a different merge). Perhaps importance-example should be added to this tfm instead. P p p e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r y 19:19, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge. I was originally rather neutral on the merge issue, but with the cogent argument presented above I am inclined to agree that everything is fine the way it is (i.e. nothing needs to be merged). Each template is useful in its own way. Primefac (talk) 18:30, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Suggestion I think the best option is to merge all 3 templates to . If not, then we could compromise by merging bsexi with importance-example. I still don't see the value in better source example, nor can I think of anything concise to change the superscript to. "Better source needed for clarification"? "Source doesn't explain pop culture reference"? We already have elucidate, so...--Ilovetopaint (talk) 04:01, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's merge bsexi with importance-example and set the superscript to "example's importance?" so we can move on. "better source needed" is fine as it is, it's rare but not unprecedented to have two inline cleanup templates produce the same superscript with different links. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 08:18, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "self-sourcing example?" is not a good superscript because it doesn't offer a solution. "better source needed" immediately offers a solution (provide a better source), "importance?" hints at a solution (provide a source that discusses the importance in relation to the article), "self-sourcing example?" is kind of a yes/no question... but perhaps this is better discussed on the template page and not on the merge discussion. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 08:21, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * superscript discussion on template talk page. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 08:25, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of this.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 10:06, 22 October 2016 (UTC)


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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC) One link... the title "McCombs School of Business"... fails WP:EXISTING. Corkythe hornetfan  (ping me) 03:17, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * McCombs School of Business
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 09:53, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


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The result of the discussion was delete after replacing, as discussed. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 23:15, 28 October 2016 (UTC) This template was mainly used by Taiwan line (before it was merged into rint, but there are still pages using it. Fully redundant to TRTS color, Taoyuan color, and KMRT color, and should be replaced with these templates for consistency and avoid redundancy. Note that since the output of this template is a color parameter, I had to put noinclude tags or risk breaking almost 80 pages. Primefac (talk) 02:32, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Taiwan color
 * delete after replacing. Frietjes (talk) 19:00, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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